Gambling Commission want your views

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Ive just had this appear on my twitter feed.
The gambling commission want view on age and identity verification.

We share our opinions here on CM but now is your chance to vocalise to the people who make the decisions that impact on the future in the UK.

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“We encourage any licensee or prospective licensees to share their views and any supporting evidence or insight.
We are also keen to hear from identity verification solution providers, in particular where they can provide details of technological and information capabilities.”
 

lockinlove

Staring into the sun
PABaccred
Sounds like the UKGC wants to be as strict as possible with everything and just overkill it all.

Only thing thats really left to strengthen it even more is fingerprinting and pissing in a cup.

I thought the super invasive source of wealth was overkill but I guess this isnt strong enough and they want more.

Looks like UKGC will now do home visits to verify age and identity. Get your garden hoses ready and give em a good solid spray from me!
 

RichyJ75

Silly Member
PABnonaccred
Well, I have now completed the survey. There is a lot of reading to be done and explaining of answers, if you want to!
 
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Jory

Guest
I don't understand this obsession with underage online gambling from the UKGC.

It is still legal for kids to play fruit machines in the UK which for those who aren't aware, they're just slot machines with a lower RTP often around 70%.

I believe fruit machines are classed as AWP (Amusement with prizes), so they probably have a different set of laws. They have fancy light shows and music for amusement and winnings is not considered the main goal.

What you end up with is a highly addictive game which you can never win on and the path to online gambling.
 

deaconk78

Full Member
I don't understand this obsession with underage online gambling from the UKGC.

It is still legal for kids to play fruit machines in the UK which for those who aren't aware, they're just slot machines with a lower RTP often around 70%.

I believe fruit machines are classed as AWP (Amusement with prizes), so they probably have a different set of laws. They have fancy light shows and music for amusement and winnings is not considered the main goal.

What you end up with is a highly addictive game which you can never win on and the path to online gambling.
there is a physical visual element to Amusements though and most kids aren't tall enough to play the ones on blackpool pier etc . The issue used to be gambling was secret and behind blacked out windows (bookmakers) and that created an intrigue - nowadays it's advertised all anything and everything that moves or doesn't - especially sports . So if you (a football team) for instance have 'X'.com printed across your shirt or your stadium advertising boards then it's going to draw attention for children . Every advert break during a premier league game on tv shows about 4 different online bookmakers .

The penalties for a CSA in a high street bookmakers for serving someone that is underage used to be about £2000 and that came out of your own pocket - so you were extra vigilant and questioned anyone and anything that approached the door! Also you have the independent services that come round and try to catch you out by seeing if you ID very young looking adults .

Money laundering - your local drug dealer will spend a large amount of time in a bookmakers and you get to know who they are and what is happening .

Online you don't have your own eyes to see who is behind the account - so these checks need to be in place .
 

RichyJ75

Silly Member
PABnonaccred
I don't understand this obsession with underage online gambling from the UKGC.

It is still legal for kids to play fruit machines in the UK which for those who aren't aware, they're just slot machines with a lower RTP often around 70%.

I believe fruit machines are classed as AWP (Amusement with prizes), so they probably have a different set of laws. They have fancy light shows and music for amusement and winnings is not considered the main goal.

What you end up with is a highly addictive game which you can never win on and the path to online gambling.

True, same machines but with a £5 jackpot instead of a £100 jackpot which only the adults can play!

On a similar note, I was in the over 18's arcade at the holiday club house recently playing the £500 jackpot machines. A couple of girls went in and played the machine next to me, both giggling that they weren't 18 and it was for the 'thrill', but after depositing a couple of quid they won £70 and seriously acted like children getting their presents at Christmas. They took the money and left. I then saw them return later that night to have another flutter, this time with their parents?!?!? A couple of days later I told the complex manager and asked about this situation. Firstly he was upset that his staff hadn't spotted them and kicked them out, but I enquired about the winnings. He claimed that his licence means if he kicked them out before they withdrew the money, they lose the winnings but have their stake refunded, but if the machine had already paid them out, the money is theirs. He also asked for me to tell staff promptly in future due to the legal complexities of his licence.
 

goatwack

Swingin' like Darryl Strawberry
CAG
This 'Think of the children' mantra being bandied about is just plain annoying now. I hear 'Strengthen' and that's all I need to know :cool:

The moment questionnaires are being set on how to safeguard them you know it's not going to be less hassle for adults. Just more hindrances to getting verified :eek2:

You're never going to get the perfect union of keeping people gambling responsibly, preventing crime, protecting kids, and somehow sustaining the industry. They'll always be there :cool:

Unless one of the proposals is to cut off kids' internet, and for parents to hide their cards by law :D
 

deaconk78

Full Member
True, same machines but with a £5 jackpot instead of a £100 jackpot which only the adults can play!

On a similar note, I was in the over 18's arcade at the holiday club house recently playing the £500 jackpot machines. A couple of girls went in and played the machine next to me, both giggling that they weren't 18 and it was for the 'thrill', but after depositing a couple of quid they won £70 and seriously acted like children getting their presents at Christmas. They took the money and left. I then saw them return later that night to have another flutter, this time with their parents?!?!? A couple of days later I told the complex manager and asked about this situation. Firstly he was upset that his staff hadn't spotted them and kicked them out, but I enquired about the winnings. He claimed that his licence means if he kicked them out before they withdrew the money, they lose the winnings but have their stake refunded, but if the machine had already paid them out, the money is theirs. He also asked for me to tell staff promptly in future due to the legal complexities of his licence.
that's correct the bold bit - if you allow them to play you have to pay out but if the money is still in the machine then it's technically the bookmakers money still because you could still spin it and lose all but you still have to return their stake even if they lose. I used to work as a CSA for william hill and they aren't (under 18's) allowed to even open the door or you have to fill in a form that gets sent to the Area Manager which in tun is reported every so often as bulk numbers to the UKGC.
 

deaconk78

Full Member
This 'Think of the children' mantra being bandied about is just plain annoying now. I hear 'Strengthen' and that's all I need to know :cool:

The moment questionnaires are being set on how to safeguard them you know it's not going to be less hassle for adults. Just more hindrances to getting verified :eek2:

You're never going to get the perfect union of keeping people gambling responsibly, preventing crime, protecting kids, and somehow sustaining the industry. They'll always be there :cool:

Unless one of the proposals is to cut off kids' internet, and for parents to hide their cards by law :D
it's all about the licence . nothing to do with caring about the children . Casinos have a licence to print money (almost) and children playing affects that money making potential . If every time a casino thinks it's gained £2000 it's gotta refund it back and face a potential fine and sanctions upon it's licence then "it's about your security and protecting the children" is trotted out.

In an industry that requires more clarity we just hear more BS .:laugh: They should raise the limit on what age you become an adult and let us all have our money back ! (i'd still lose it all by the next day ! )
 
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Jory

Guest
This 'Think of the children' mantra being bandied about is just plain annoying now.
If you're referring to my quote, I wasn't actually "thinking of the children" like Ned Flanders wife.

I was more talking about how ridiculous it is that an adult like me has to jump through hoops to play online when a little kid can walk into an arcade and gamble with no questions asked.
 

goatwack

Swingin' like Darryl Strawberry
CAG
If you're referring to my quote, I wasn't actually "thinking of the children" like Ned Flanders wife.

I was more talking about how ridiculous it is that an adult like me has to jump through hoops to play online when a little kid can walk into an arcade and gamble with no questions asked.
No, just the attitude of the UKGC and the general overbearing protection, at the detriment of adult gamblers
 
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Jory

Guest
No, just the attitude of the UKGC and the general overbearing protection, at the detriment of adult gamblers
I think the best example of how clueless they are is the law requiring you to enter a lose limit on auto spins.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here that everyone is just like me enters "£21312312321" on their 100 auto spins at £0.20.

Great job UKGC, if not for that well thought out law, I would have lost several million by now.
 

goatwack

Swingin' like Darryl Strawberry
CAG
I think the best example of how clueless they are is the law requiring you to enter a lose limit on auto spins.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here that everyone is just like me enters "£21312312321" on their 100 auto spins at £0.20.

Great job UKGC, if not for that well thought out law, I would have lost several million by now.
Whew, I see their protection barriers are working for you! :p

I keep my loss limits more modest as a low roller. Usually around the 6767676 mark :D
 

Jd666

Riff Raff
CAG
mm4
I don't understand this obsession with underage online gambling from the UKGC.

It is still legal for kids to play fruit machines in the UK which for those who aren't aware, they're just slot machines with a lower RTP often around 70%.

I believe fruit machines are classed as AWP (Amusement with prizes), so they probably have a different set of laws. They have fancy light shows and music for amusement and winnings is not considered the main goal.

What you end up with is a highly addictive game which you can never win on and the path to online gambling.
Yes but some of these £5 machines save up for massive streaks.
I have had a £55 streak myself.
Seen some even higher.
There is a £5 three reel Rainbow Riches video on Youtube which paid out about £75, was just dropping fivers all the time.

I see the kids at the coast ploughing money into them, the next generation of problem gamblers
 

jasonuk

Experienced Member
I'm gonna take a wild guess here that everyone is just like me enters "£21312312321" on their 100 auto spins at £0.20.
A great example of a simple rule that has a shockingly poor implementation across the board. I can think of a couple of operators that have done it properly (CR Games being one) where the loss limit is either the calculated maximum or a custom option - so you can start autoplay in 4 clicks, but also use the more advanced options if desired.

Compare to others - with loss limits that aren't aligned to the number of spins, (pointless) maximum balance checks preventing you typing the big numbers, excessive configuration such that you'd rather spin it manually or like WMS and disable it completely!
 
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