Gambling Bill to Pass Senate By Midnight

Unlike, of course, passing legislation that gives Chimpy McFlightsuit the right to detain whomever he wants, whenever he wants, and torture them for as long as he wants.

Unlike letting the pederastic activities of Florida Representatives go on as long as there's no publicity.

Unlike passing amendments that keep perfectly nice people from marrying simply because of their in common gender..while allowing white supremicists to breed like rabbits.

And, unlike letting us all use any sort of financial transaction method there is to fund Armani-suited televangelists' efforts to blackmail the elderly and weak-minded into giving up every last cent on the notion that they alone keep them from burning eternally.

You're doing a huckuva job there, right-wing-moralistic-authoritarianism!:thumbsup:

Does that mean you aren't a Republican?:D
 
Maybe Frist should have concentrated more on his medical classes instead of working 24/7 to get this pushed through :rolleyes:


From Capitol Hill Blue

Capitol Hillbillies
Frist lied to keep medical license active
By Staff and Wire Reports
Aug 30, 2006, 07:53

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist admitted Tuesday the Tennessee Senator lied in an attempt to keep his medical license active by falsely claiming he had met all the requirements needed.

Frist, in paperwork submitted to the Tennessee Health Department, claimed he had met all the requirementseven though he gave paperwork to Tennessee officials indicating that he had.

The state of Tennessee requires its licensed physicians to complete 40 hours of continuing medical education every two years. Frist, a heart-lung surgeon who is considering a 2008 presidential run, submitted a license renewal with the Tennessee Health Department stating he has fulfilled that requirement.

Responding Tuesday to repeated requests from The Associated Press, a Frist spokesman said the Republican senator may not have done his continuing education after all, and had contacted the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners to see if corrective steps were necessary.

"As a result of a change in Tennessee's regulations several years after Dr. Frist came to the Senate, he may be required to complete additional continuing medical education hours," spokesman Matt Lehigh said in a statement. "A representative of the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners has been contacted, and Dr. Frist will meet every requirement of the Board."

Lehigh indicated that he thought Frist was unaware of a change Tennessee officials enacted in November 2002, which required continuing education for doctors who want to keep active licenses.

Starting with renewal applications filed in January 2005, the state required doctors to have completed 40 hours of continuing education in the two years that preceded their filing.

A renewal application Frist filed with the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners in February of this year specifically mentions the continuing education requirement and bears his signature.

Courses or programs are supposed to follow guidelines set by the American Medical Association or the American Academy of Family Physicians, according to Tennessee rules. Approved training generally includes attending accredited conferences or workshops and seminars.

Doctors in Tennessee are required to retain proof that they participated in such programs in case the Board of Medical Examiners decides to audit them. Doctors do not have to submit such evidence when they renew their license every two years.

Frist is retiring from the Senate at the end of the year to consider a presidential run. As a senator, Frist doesn't maintain a medical practice but routinely emphasizes his experience as a doctor.

Frist recently took blood-pressure tests on Iowans during a visit to the state that holds the first presidential caucuses. He also keeps the letters "MD" next to his name on his Senate office door and has been known to keep a doctor's bag and lab coat on hand on the campaign trail or in his Capitol Hill office.

Those sometimes come in handy. First has aided accident victims and sick tourists and also has gone on medical missions to Africa.

He was widely criticized last year for injecting himself into the debate over Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed. Frist viewed a videotape of the woman, then publicly questioned the diagnosis of her doctors. An autopsy later confirmed their judgment, not his.
 
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, M.D., made the following statement regarding the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement act:

Gambling is a serious addiction that undermines the family, dashes dreams, and frays the fabric of society. Congress has grappled with this issue for 10 years, and during that time weve watched this shadow industry explode.

For me as majority leader, the bottom line is simple: Internet gambling is illegal. Although we cant monitor every online gambler or regulate offshore gambling, we can police the financial institutions that disregard our laws.

My read of that is that NETELLER has just had a big red BULLSEYE painted on it's ass. They may as well have called this the DEATH NAIL TO NETELLER legislation.

Have a good one.
 
My read of that is that NETELLER has just had a big red BULLSEYE painted on it's ass. They may as well have called this the DEATH NAIL TO NETELLER legislation.

Have a good one.
So what will become of us, Cipher? How will this all play out?

(Tailgun suddenly feeling like Tiny Tim...) "God help us, each and every one."
 
OK, everybody (including me) calm down.

Geeze Cipher...you make me look like freakin' Pollyanna.

They have 9 months to make the restrictions stick. If they don't have the proper checks and balances in place, this sucker goes by the wayside, anyway.
Besides....9 months is plenty of time for a court challenge or two..not to mention the fact that the next Congress is going to look much different. That which has been done, may find itself undone.

Damn! I just made myself feel better. There goes my whole personality.
 
The political expediency displayed in the manner in which this measure has been passed is disgraceful imo, but I guess we should not be surprised given the general lack of integrity that seems to characterise most politicians.

Side-stepping the Wire Act minefield, the usual carve-out issues and any direct threat of ciminal action against the US player per se imo indicates a level of nervousness about those very important aspects.

That said, clearly some dangerous foundations for repressive enforcement action have been laid.

Who would have thought that the birthplace of the Internet and all that it stands for in terms of freedom of use and information would start out on a similar path as Internet-oppressive regimes like China and North Korea? To my mind the possibility of interference with ISPs is a particular affront to the freedom of the Internet and the individual.

I don't believe this is the end of online gambling for US players - there's a long way to go before we reach that stage, but it's certainly going to be a tougher environment in the USA, and one where peripheral sectors like the affiliates industry are going to have to exercise care.
 
This is a telling admission that has plagued all their attempts in the past, and even as it stands here it contains questionable assertions:

"Although we can’t monitor every online gambler or regulate offshore gambling, we can police the financial institutions that disregard our laws.”

The banks have already said that they cannot do an adequate policing job on U.S. transactions as the Leach/Frist law attempts - no matter what laws the politicians introduce...the politicians have conveniently ignored that.

US banking institutions have for some time already taken drastic anti-online financial measures, and the oldtimers here will recall the doom and gloom that followed the advent of those requirements....yet the global industry continued to thrive.

Just as an aside on hypocrisy, I wonder how PayPal is feeling now, having smarmed its way back into Europe with Betfair after supporting US politicos in their attacks on Internet gambling!

I think Swampwitch is right to an extent - whilst this latest hypocritical move by the US political establishment is alarming it is not the end of the industry by any means.

And as Simmo commented in another thread, the danger lies more in the way the industry reacts (if it reacts negatively) than in the provisions of this disgraceful law itself and the way in which it has been passed.

There are many very practical problems surrounding implementation and acceptance here, and many interested entities like the land gambling and sports associations establishments looking at this lucrative business in the USA who may not want to see a final and complete ban which could bar their entry at a future date.
 
So what will become of us, Cipher? How will this all play out?

(Tailgun suddenly feeling like Tiny Tim...) "God help us, each and every one."

Hi Tailgun:

If this legislation does make it through and ends up becoming law, Neteller will be the FEDS target ONE and of that there is no doubt. Then the only possibe way to get rid of the law (if an when it becomes law) will be through the Courts on a constitutionality challenge. Given the recent changes in the Courts it would be a 50 / 50.

Have a good one.
 
OK, everybody (including me) calm down.

Geeze Cipher...you make me look like freakin' Pollyanna.

They have 9 months to make the restrictions stick. If they don't have the proper checks and balances in place, this sucker goes by the wayside, anyway.
Besides....9 months is plenty of time for a court challenge or two..not to mention the fact that the next Congress is going to look much different. That which has been done, may find itself undone.

Damn! I just made myself feel better. There goes my whole personality.

Hi Swampwitch:

Unfortunately, those court challenges you mention are probably going to need to come after this thing becomes law as the courts generally don't like to tamper with such things without them having become law.

The courts are not in the law making business, they're in the law enforcement business. But I'm really happy to hear you're feeling better.

Have a good one.
 
My Foriegn Deposit check Debited From my bank account

Last week I checked my online banking statement and noticed a "deposit returned debit along with a 10 USD return fee. I called my bank and they checked it out and said it was a foriegn check drawn on a Nat West account in London. I replied that it was a bingo site and that it was a check for my winnings. (Not really bingo) After numerous discussions they re credited my account, but then I was charged another 10 USD for a foriegn processing fee. I did finally get that waived, but I am very leary as this has never ever happedend before. Just my 2 pennes on this thread.
 
Nothing better than waking up to a couple of lovely little paternalistic patronizing posts at my expense. How silly of me to express an opinion without checking first with the proper self-appointed authorities.

I say again...many things can happen in the next 270 days...including regime change, and even the refusal of banks and other financial institutions to be bullied by the right wing nutjobs.

We will see what we will see. I for one am not going to lay down and die.
 
"Nothing better than waking up to a couple of lovely little paternalistic patronizing posts at my expense. How silly of me to express an opinion without checking first with the proper self-appointed authorities."

Huh? Where's the paternalism and patronising? I see only courteous responses that support your points.
 
Here's something I didn't know...Frist seems to have a history of adding things to bills at the last minute to help his campaign contributors....

Thursday, February 09, 2006
Dr. Frist adds immunity for pharmaceutical companies to defense bill
Critics claim he did it in secret, but Frist denies it. Then again, Frist isn't quite sure what the word blind means in blind trust.


By BILL THEOBALD
Gannett News Service

WASHINGTON Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert engineered a backroom legislative maneuver to protect pharmaceutical companies from lawsuits, say witnesses to the pre-Christmas power play.

The language was tucked into a Defense Department appropriations bill at the last minute without the approval of members of a House-Senate conference committee, say several witnesses, including a top Republican staff member.

In an interview, Frist, a doctor and Tennessee Republican, denied that the wording was added that way.

Trial lawyers and other groups condemn the law, saying it could make it nearly impossible for people harmed by a vaccine to force the drug maker to pay for their injuries.

Does anyone have any info that Frist's latest add-on tactic will aid him financially as well?
 
Nothing better than waking up to a couple of lovely little paternalistic patronizing posts at my expense.

:confused: Did I miss something?

swampwitch said:
Does anyone have any info that Frist's latest add-on tactic will aid him financially as well?

I think he did it for the vote. I read he's running for the 2008 presidency. Nuff said if thats the case.
 
Seems Frist received $10,000 plus from Abramoff's political action committee..the one that was funded by the Saginaw Chippewa tribe and its casino interests. When the Abramoff scandal broke, Frist, in a nod to the critics, returned the money. Actually, just $2000 of it. That means $8000 in kept contributions from sources with a vested interest in keeping non-B&M casinos outlawed.
 
It would be one thing if this bill was passed by Congress after going through the "regular" process, meaning committee hearings and being voted on as its own bill in both chambers. Although I still wouldn't like the final product, at least I could accept it as the democratic will of the American people. The way this was finally pushed through, however, makes my stomach turn. I have never been more disappointed with my government than right now.
 
Yep....He's Running For President!

I read he's running for the 2008 presidency. Nuff said if thats the case.

Oh yes...this is really who we need for President!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Why don't we just run Mickey Mouse too? Say what you want about all politicans being corrupt (which they all are)....but all three politicans that pushed so hard to get this bill through were Republicans...Goodlatte, Kyl and Frist are all Republicans. Republicans are trying to appease the so called "right wing moral majority" and simply to gather votes. I'm not saying that the Democrats are not as corrupt but they were the only ones to keep this bill from going through the last time around....and only a small handful of them kept it from passing.

Everyday another right is taken away from us. We no longer can smoke at any public places including restaurants where I live. BUT who's to blame for all this... WE ARE! No one votes! More people watch the Super Bowl each year then vote in elections! Somebody voted these jerks into office and we MUST VOTE to get them out! You don't have to vote Rep. or Democrat...vote Independent, write in ....just VOTE! If we don't do something really soon...American is going to hell in a handbag!;)
 
Oh yes...this is really who we need for President!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Why don't we just run Mickey Mouse too? Say what you want about all politicans being corrupt (which they all are)....but all three politicans that pushed so hard to get this bill through were Republicans...Goodlatte, Kyl and Frist are all Republicans. Republicans are trying to appease the so called "right wing moral majority" and simply to gather votes. I'm not saying that the Democrats are not as corrupt but they were the only ones to keep this bill from going through the last time around....and only a small handful of them kept it from passing.

Everyday another right is taken away from us. We no longer can smoke at any public places including restaurants where I live. BUT who's to blame for all this... WE ARE! No one votes! More people watch the Super Bowl each year then vote in elections! Somebody voted these jerks into office and we MUST VOTE to get them out! You don't have to vote Rep. or Democrat...vote Independent, write in ....just VOTE! If we don't do something really soon...American is going to hell in a handbag!;)


Agree lovetogamble.....we have to get more people voting and at least writing in their Independent vote.....Like you said............JUST VOTE !! :thumbsup:
 
It would be one thing if this bill was passed by Congress after going through the "regular" process, meaning committee hearings and being voted on as its own bill in both chambers. Although I still wouldn't like the final product, at least I could accept it as the democratic will of the American people. The way this was finally pushed through, however, makes my stomach turn. I have never been more disappointed with my government than right now.

Absolutely sdaddy, I could not agree more with you on this issue an I am also more disappointed with my government right now than ever before.....:mad:
 
Totally agree with lovetogamble, get everyone in your area, and tell them how the government works to sneak laws under needed laws/bills. We have the greatest medium to date to transmit information to everyone we know. The Internet!, while the government is still trying to understand what "the internets" and it's tubes lead to. But then you might then who do I vote for? Well for me, it's not just about voting independent, I mean hell look at Lieberman, he's going independent. I say vote Libertarian! :D

But seriously it takes a little work to research who's running in your area and who is right for you. Primaries are very important. As are, local elections.

Good luck to all.
 
Here is respected gaming lawyer I. Nelson Rose's take on the new legislation - rather than posting it here as I expect the contents to change periodically, here is a link:

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Basically, he has come to many of the same conclusions I have earlier in this thread, with the primary exception being that he feels affiliates could be affected under the theory of "aiding and abetting".

He also believes poker is covered by the "game subject to chance" definition in 5362.

I will try to obtain further analyses from other prominent lawyers in the industry, such as Professor Joe Kelly.
 
OK, everybody (including me) calm down.

Geeze Cipher...you make me look like freakin' Pollyanna.

They have 9 months to make the restrictions stick. If they don't have the proper checks and balances in place, this sucker goes by the wayside, anyway.
Besides....9 months is plenty of time for a court challenge or two..not to mention the fact that the next Congress is going to look much different. That which has been done, may find itself undone.

Damn! I just made myself feel better. There goes my whole personality.

Have I told you lately that I love you?

ROFLMAO!
 

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