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Fixed on line casino's

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by dorsetpotter, Oct 21, 2008.

    Oct 21, 2008
  1. dorsetpotter

    dorsetpotter Dormant account

    Occupation:
    cheesemaker
    Location:
    dorset
    Hi there
    i have been watching this forum for a while and impressed by a number of its contributors.
    Where do i begin, a few years ago i got into online gambling, i opened various accounts, but my main playing account was with a major UK bookmaker, the only game i have ever played online was blackjack, i followed the usual betting pattern 1-2 a bet, doing alright, then like a lot of people i started upping my bets and winning, this is great i thought, then within a short period of time (you can guess) i started losing, i would start small and do ok then the moment i started betting big, i started losing, and so the spiral began, to cut a long story short i ended up losing everything including my house, now i will be the first to admit i had a problem a serious problem but i may have been stupid but i was not thick, every time i played the same pattern was forming start with small bets and do ok, up the bets and started losing, the dealer pulling out 21's from everywhere.
    Eventually when you have lost everything and have nothing else to bet common sense prevails and i quit.
    Over the years although hating myself for what i had done to my family and me i could'nt help feeling this bookmaker was running a fixed casino.
    I started to do a lot of research and the more i learnt and found out, almost all online casino's are fixed, they are using Artificial intelligence in RNG, and are also lowering the player percentage payout the higher the stake placed, in short they are fixing the games.
    So a few months ago i decided to reopen my account with this leading UK bookmaker to experiment and sure enough i started playing small and did ok, i upped my bets and had some good wins, soon after i started losing the same pattern was forming, last week i closed my account, player percentage payout for my last session was 90.89%.
    Over the years i have read various stories from people all relating the same problems, but no one has ever done anything, i intend to take this UK leading bookmaker to court and expose the truth of what is going on,i have nothing to lose (when you have got nothing you cannot lose anything).There arrogance is beyond belief.
    Now at this stage i do not want to reveal the bookmaker but what i will say is the software is provided by Microgaming.
    Why am i telling you all this, well i need help and advise, anybody that can help me would be greatly appreciated, i am determined to get this to court, if anything to stop anybody else going though what i went through.
    thank you for your time in taking to read this.
    Anybody who wishes to talk to me can do with utmost confidence.

    regards
     
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  2. Oct 21, 2008
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    How about some cold, hard evidence? If you have none, then you're not going to get anywhere - court or otherwise...
     
  4. Oct 21, 2008
  5. j_l

    j_l Banned User

    Occupation:
    Private
    Location:
    UK
    Whoever it is, Hills, Laddies or Corals - I hope you take them to the cleaners! :thumbsup::D:thumbsup:

    Although, in my opinion you probably have more chance of saying hi to Lord Lucan.

    However, I wish you the best of luck. You are going to need it!
     
  6. Oct 21, 2008
  7. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

    Occupation:
    On Disability,p/t online slots reviewer
    Location:
    PA
    Hi
    Welcome to the Forum! I just came here to wish you luck and hope you atleast can get some press if it goes that far. You will probably read alot of "youll never win" or "good luck with that mate" But you know what? They also said that before the first person had the patience to sue people/companies in the past when those laws werent in effect.

    I remember a long time ago when this lady sued her husband's lover for destroying their marriage. People laughed and the press even made fun of her but she won and passed new civil law.

    Don't let anyone tear you down, Like you said, you have nothing to lose and the people who are negative or don't believe it can happen , well, maybe its because they dont want to put in the time its going to take. You won't know until you try!!

    Good Luck
     
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  8. Oct 21, 2008
  9. dorsetpotter

    dorsetpotter Dormant account

    Occupation:
    cheesemaker
    Location:
    dorset
    thankyou for your reply i now what feed back i am going to get but i am determined to get these people, if it is the last thing i do i will do it
     
  10. Oct 22, 2008
  11. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    How true how true!

    On a more serious matter, I totally agree with you! I am a programmer and I am all aboard on your views, I even was in contact with lawyers myself but couldn't find people to help me out analyzing the results since everyone seems to think it's random... The patterns are there, and they also seem to come when upping the ante - especial doing 10x bets you see the patterns very clear.

    I totally agree with you, there has to be some fuzzy logic going on here and it's matched the gamblers brain. I for one would be onboard going further with this, however I am not sure what i have to gain here. I have myself lost around a million dollars in this game - so you see what you see - and there are patterns since the wins on high stakes never are the same as the ones at lower stake!

    There is no reason preaching to the converted, and for the people asking me why I still gamble - it's because I am an addict - however I wager low now and I know I loose all the way, but it's cheaper than booze depending on the way you look at it.

    By reading my posts you will see I have already come up with a theory on how the system might work, it pretty much fits the bill at the moment - however chaos theory would have it that it's still possible in the random world so we are pretty much fucked in prooving anything that is unproovable!

    Anyways, great post - I feel every workd of it!

    Signing of,
    And by the way I am a software developer - so I tend to think in bits and bytes - however randomness is unproovable so I am the usual suspect, and the moron and asshole in most peoples perspective! On the other hand, I do not care - since I know what I know, people believe the system works since they wager low - however ask the hig h rollers and see what they say!
     
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  12. Oct 22, 2008
  13. funky_seagull

    funky_seagull Dormant account

    Occupation:
    unemployed, on incapacity benefit.
    Location:
    scotland
    I am pretty sure it is all rigged now. I had my doubts to begin with, but not anymore. I would love to see microgaming go down, I hate them. I could never take them to court, don't have the money, mainly because they sucked it out of me.

    I would love to get them back somehow.

    At one point I did contemplate a suicide bomb attempt on their headquarters on the isle of man. I was so crazy with rage, I lost everything. But it wasn't worth it... it isn't worth killing myself or other people over - money will become meaningless soon, and their business will die anyway...

    They're cheats, make fools out of people. Their software is not fair, they change it, or it adapts due to A.I., nothing you do will ever beat them. It is designed to be unbeaten, it isn't just house edge, it is an evil cheating programme that learns how you play and makes sure you lose... in the end it just sucks and sucks...

    If anyone can take out microgaming - go for it. I would love to see them suffer...

    Curse them.

    I want the smug git in microgaming who caused my pain, to also hit rockbottom and feel the anguish and despair I have felt...
     
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  14. Oct 22, 2008
  15. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

    Occupation:
    having a good time doing anything
    Location:
    somewhere on the planet
    Funky_Seagull,

    Have you considered getting any professional help for your issues about this? It seems like you have way too much rage and unstable thoughts to be here at a gambling forum, and to be sitting around letting these thoughts of yours fester.

    I would seriously consider talking to someone neutral and not involved in gambling to try to work out your issues.
     
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  16. Oct 22, 2008
  17. zebedy

    zebedy No!!!! Im Spartacus MM webmeister

    Occupation:
    brain stergeon
    Location:
    Up a Tree
    do you think mr bush knew something we dont when he banned online gambling ?
     
  18. Oct 22, 2008
  19. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

    Occupation:
    Crusader
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario - Canada
    Wow Funky, that is one scary post...really. Please read Jod's post, as that is the best advice you will ever receive.

    I almost find it irrelevant that it's gambling that is causing (or has caused) you so much pain. If ANYTHING makes you feel what you have described, that is not a normal reaction...or at the very least not a healthy one for you.

    Please talk to someone.
     
  20. Oct 22, 2008
  21. funky_seagull

    funky_seagull Dormant account

    Occupation:
    unemployed, on incapacity benefit.
    Location:
    scotland
    No I don't need to talk to anybody. Nobody can help me.

    I have a neurological disease, that makes me disabled and I couldn't be a suicide bomber if I tried or hurt anybody. So don't worry I'm not about to embark on some crazy terrorist activity. But I do entertain crazy thoughts at times... due to an overactive imagination. Anger management is a joke... anger isn't an illness.

    I am in debt, gonna lose everything. roulette was the only way I could make money for a while, and it worked, I had a system, which worked. I wasn't greedy, I made just enough to pay the bills etc. I did this for months. Then they changed the software and built in some A.I. and it was impossible to win, why? Because they are greedy. Microgaming are evil and I hate them. They destroyed my only source of income. If only I had the sense to realize they had done this and not let them steal my last penny. I could have gone elsewhere.

    I have no job, and no way to afford anything. I can't get a job, and benefits are too small to live off. Too late now, what can anyone do to help me.... I'm going to lose everything. It's all very well saying go to gamblers anonymous or to quit gambling, but that isn't going to help me now and find me the money I need to survive...

    it;s too late.

    and I think everyone on the planet has an unhealthy attitude. Look at what is happening to the climate, yet people still drive cars buy plastic crap.

    If you ask me the whole of humanity is sick, and we are all dieing.
     
  22. Oct 22, 2008
  23. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

    Occupation:
    having a good time doing anything
    Location:
    somewhere on the planet
    Funky Seagull,

    Listen, money is NOT the only thing in this world that matters. In fact, Fuck money, sorry for the language but listen, you are a human being, you can not place a monetary value on that, ever!!!

    If you lose everything, so what?!?! You will not be the first, or the last to be in that position.

    Life is precious. Please believe me, you are not the only person to ever be in your position.

    It does NOT matter, YOU matter.

    Please, talk to your loved ones, your friends, or even look in your phone book for someone to help you find the path to help you.

    As I live and breathe, you can feel better, you can overcome your problems, you can find hope and happiness. You are not alone. Believe me, I speak the truth.


    Believe me, others have had physical problems and worse, no money, no where they could see hope, but there is hope, always. ALWAYS!!!

    Please PM me or anyone else here you might feel comfortable talking to, OK?

    Jod
     
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  24. Oct 22, 2008
  25. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

    Occupation:
    On Disability,p/t online slots reviewer
    Location:
    PA
    Funky
    When theres a will theres a way. Jod is right..people lose everything and not just from gambling. THey lose everything from Fires, hurricanes, drugs, illness etc,,,

    You can get some relief if you talk to a social worker or a group that can give you help on resources in your area like food or phone help etc.. I am also here for you too:)
     
  26. Oct 22, 2008
  27. Luigi810

    Luigi810 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Philadelphia
    Not to sound mean or anything, I think you should be mad at yourself, not MG
    They didn't put YOUR money into their casino, you did..I won many of times with MG, BIG money in fact, they paid me with no problem, it was ME who put it all back and then some..I honestly don't think they are rigged either, if it was rigged I wouldn't have won as much as I did and as many times as I did..example, 25,000.00, 25,000.00, 25,000.00, 75,000.00, 55,000.00, 16,000.00, 21,000.00, these were some of my wins, and I only lost 5,000.00 before I won all this, I did put 70% of my wins back plus ALOT my own money, but I put it all back, they didn't take it from me..

    Get mad at the casinos that cheat and don't pay when you win, don't get mad when you lose your own money, it's a waste of your time and energy..

    Good Luck to you
     
  28. Oct 22, 2008
  29. Luigi810

    Luigi810 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Philadelphia
    funky_seagull, I was close to losing everything, I stopped gambling a few months ago and I am soooo back on track...you may think there is no light at the end of the tunnel but there is, I am living proof....Sit back, collect your thoughts and take it from there, you need to fight for your life, not give up..
    We are all here for you whenever you need to vent..

    Good Luck
     
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  30. Oct 22, 2008
  31. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

    Occupation:
    mom
    Location:
    az
    funky seagull

    hi i was just on reading everybodys post like i do every night and i came across urs. i know frist hand what it feels like to be mad mad at the whole world and not be able to do a damn thing about it. i have a baby boy named tristen and he was borned with ds. we r very blessed as in the fact that he has not had none of the really bad things yet that go along with having ds. but his future is so cloudy with a higher risk of getting things we don,t think twice about. and he is such a loving little guy always ready with a smile for a world and alot of people in it that don,t deseve his smile. u say u r on disability and its not enought to get by on i understand frist hand what u r saying as in the fact that my son will only have that to live on also. but my little guy has shown me alot. its not the money that matters money comes and goes and always will. its the people in ur life that matters and its the fact that u have hit rock bottom and theres no where elas to go but up from here on out. if u have someone to love then u have everything u need in life beleive in a higher power what every that may be to you that tomorrow will be a better day for you and know that there r people out here in cyberspace who know how u feel and will help if u ask. know that ur in my thoughts and i will be wishing u a better tomorrow.
     
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  32. Oct 22, 2008
  33. classymom

    classymom Registered

    Occupation:
    Customer Service
    Location:
    Port St lucie Florida
    No - I personally think the banning had nothing to do w/ compulsive gamblers, it had to do w/ our Government having a say on where our money goes. This is wrong and IMO against what our country is suppose to stand for. The Freedom and Right to choose for ourselves.
     
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  34. Oct 22, 2008
  35. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Antiques Dealer
    Location:
    NOT Pennsylvania!!!
    Funky_seagull I read the other day that 3 Billion people have to exist on less than $2 a day. OK you may be broke but no one is going to let you starve. It is easy to forget how much we have in the Western world that others don't, such as a safe environment, medical care, parks and libaries.

    Microgaming are not cheating you. There is no such thing as a roulette system. You are wasting your time directing your anger at Microgaming. I feel sorry for you but I can't sit here and not challenge your idea that you have been somehow cheated.

    Tons of people have come back from all sorts of terrible events such as drug abuse, alcohol, bankruptcy, severe illness etc and I am certain you will recover from this setback too.

    There is a lot of bad stuff in this world but it's easy to forget there are loads of good people too.
     
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  36. Oct 22, 2008
  37. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    Norway
    Havn't we all been there, :D Desperation is a funny thing, but keeping humour in the picture is always an important way of self prevailing! The best part - is after the rage you start to think straight!

    On the other hand, money will still matter - what we are seing now in only a transfer of wealth! Even if a world war would break out, the winners will still have power and money. If the dollar were to default, the Amero would kick in and we would all know about the American Union, They have it already though out...

    This is true - YOU are the ONLY person that can help yourself! The good thing - after hitting rock bottom there is only one way up!

    If you are in a relationship, maby quit it - move - get a new job - start from scratch! It's no biggie, it's just do it! Do not repeat the same mistakes!

    It's easier to make new money - than try to get back what is lost!

    I totally agree with this, corruption is the downfall of man! We are the only cpecies that kill and rape for our own pleasure, and fun! We love to kill people, and if we gain a little we are so doing it! Or, let other do the killing why we shut our eyes as long as we are left alone... Doing our daily lifes!

    Humanity is truly fucked! We should reach for the stars, if we don't - and if not mother nature wipes us of the earth with a natural desaster - we will truly blow ourself up, or wipe us out with biological weapons in hope of gaining more power! Madness and mad scientists!

    However my friend - I am not going down easily since my life is precious to ME! Someone tries to screw me I will not do that willingly! However, a bomb in the head and I am out...

    ------

    To your point however with the AI in the RNG adapting to your playing style, I totally agree on this one! It's so apparent! However - how on earth would it matter?

    If - if - for some reason we were to proove this in court. The only thing that happends, the company goes bankrupt... We get to learn there are no money there, so we gain nothing. All the cainos would have to get new software, which will be either correct or better AI and we are back to square one...

    It's a perfect scenario though, the more I think of it the more I love corporatism and greed! You always win in the end if you are greedy enough! As a consumer though, you always loose - it's the oposite! This works in all businesses, greed accually works! We have countless examples from big companies in the financial marked lately on how the "real world" is run!

    Anyway, this was a rant that doesn't really help or solve anything! Just at the top of my head!

    I hope for the best for you funky_seagull, but lost is lost, you won't get it back! You are alive though, and life is just to damn depressing to go around feeling sorry for one self!

    Thumbs up Amigo!
     
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  38. Oct 22, 2008
  39. lucky21

    lucky21 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    plant mechanic
    Location:
    australia
    Taking em on

    Hi folks
    I have experience taking on a casino legally and from my experience even when i have proof - as in they did not pay my $150,000 winnings it is still very difficult to get satisfactory legal action legal action.

    I found very quickly that the lawyers in this particular jurastiction (curacao) are all pretty much on the side of the casino anyway, so to fork out $10,000 for starters had less odds of winnig than these casino's,

    The economies of these jurastictions , curacao, malta, costa rica are very dependant on online gamming so tend to protect it rather then police it,

    as i wrote in another post i think we have to leave these casino,s alone for a while and let em sweat it out with less and less active members

    They are rigged , to many people notice to many obvious anomilies, its so commonly complained about, you dont see these same complaints about bricks and morter Blackjack.
     

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