Extra Chilli Should Be Banned

[Siohmy]

I have mentioned this elsewhere but I had a couple of horrific runs on the gamble wheel. By far the worst was the one win in 21 gambling from 8 to 12 spins. I could be polite and say that is staggeringly unlikely. I have also since gone on an 8 in a row losing effort and I really do not play the thing that often.

I am not someone who generally sticks the old tin foil hat on and would rather just steer well clear of things I don’t trust, or at least don’t like.

Still, Joe Root recently won 11 coin tosses in a row so what do I know.

 

[dogshead1]

I'll leave this here for you all to make up your own conclusions on the slot. Defo made me quit online gambling. Action certainly needs to be taken as I have my views and points I've expressed outside of this forum and shall keep outside.

FYI

My original strategy was to gamble to 16 spins, attempt to gamble and collect 12 if lost the 16 and and gamble to 20 if +4 dropped in on the buy. Finally after multiple loss of return at 16-20 spins even 1x 24 and extreme crippling of my balance I was forced to gamble and pray for 12 without success multiple time. What I can recall from last nights session. After I collected however many spins and I gambled the next for 12 I lost every time. It certainly felt compensated but also had that feeling of preempting the behavior of the gamble wheel. The risk for reward strategy advised by BTG clearly crippled my bankroll.

As an overall experience and warning to others my starting balance was my biggest every online coup from other slots. I was unable to withdraw at the time even when verified and withing the stated max withdrawal limit per week as day limit was not stated and support that was advertised as 24 hour was offline. I'll admit taking on chilling was a lack of control on my behalf but the file here when broken down will highlight how its set up to tilt the player and enduce larger risk for no reward.

Unfortunately although I have requested it they would not show at what point of the wheel I lost the feature. Though you can clearly see by the behavior of the returns that something is off.

Finally I have requested why the refer to Extra Chilli as an NYX game which I find concerning and alarming.

Can the Mods kindly delete this post as I've started a new thread with t to gain more recognition.

Thanks

 

[aceking123]

you should be able to edit it dogshead , just pop in mistake.

 

[dogshead1]

you should be able to edit it dogshead , just pop in mistake.

It won't allow me Tried already. Are you able to see and read the attached file?

 

[aceking123]

yes bud you can , mods are at meister meet so your have a long wait.

 

[trancemonkey]

If the RTP changes to player behavior then the RNG is not random is it?

So Blackjack is not a random game then?

 

[goatwack]

So Blackjack is not a random game then?

Not when I used to deal it. I'd pull out more 21s that by the end the whole table'd be choking on their chicken wings

 

[aceking123]

So Blackjack is not a random game then?

its as random as super hot fruits )

 

[snorky510238]

When it’s live it is. Mechanically influenced blackjack not a chance.

 

[Jono777]

So Blackjack is not a random game then?

Not when I used to deal it. I'd pull out more 21s that by the end the whole table'd be choking on their chicken wings

No way, more or less word for word the reply I was about to type (minus the chicken wings)

I'll never forgot several "memory moments" but one in particular springs to mind right now.

"19" I announced (yeah, we had to ) about to move on to the next player as this scary starring man, tapped his finger to indicate he wanted another card.

"NINETEEN" I repeated, again his finger tapped, so I smiled as I drew the card, which quickly turned to a frown as he drew a "2"

Professionalism left the building as I shouted "Oh c'mon ladies and gents, lets all give the card counter a round of applause"

The next thing I knew was a tap on the shoulder, shortly followed by "New dealer after this hand"

 

[kazzi]

Last time i did Extra Chili i did 10-12buys lost all trying to get to 16 never again.

 

[trancemonkey]

its as random as super hot fruits )

Exactly. Completely random.

 

[trancemonkey]

When it’s live it is. Mechanically influenced blackjack not a chance.

What is mechanically influenced blackjack? If you say automated card shufflers, I am seriously just going to laugh at you.

If it is, then feel free to buy one off Shufflemaster though... they are openly available to purchase. Then you can take it apart and prove it's rigged.

 

[snorky510238]

What is mechanically influenced blackjack? If you say automated card shufflers, I am seriously just going to laugh at you.

If it is, then feel free to buy one off Shufflemaster though... they are openly available to purchase. Then you can take it apart and prove it's rigged.

I meant software blackjack.

 

[trancemonkey]

So why would blackjack have to be rigged? It aims at 98% (ish) if you play perfectly mathematically. But no one does, so most of the time is running much lower than that. It doesn't need to cheat because people play blackjack imperfectly.

 

[KasinoKing]

So why would blackjack have to be rigged? It aims at 98% (ish) if you play perfectly mathematically. But no one does, so most of the time is running much lower than that. It doesn't need to cheat because people play blackjack imperfectly.

Well that's very a strange comment coming from you

It doesn't need to cheat because of the mathematics - the house wins even if all the players play 100% perfectly.
You of all people, should know that.

KK

 

[BosjeR]

Safe to say that Dave means that in the context of ‘making even higher margin than intented’ seeing that people state slots are rigged even when knowing the RTP is 97%.

Or you are trying to troll and get all tinfoil hats excited

 

[trancemonkey]

Safe to say that Dave means that in the context of ‘making even higher margin than intented’ seeing that people state slots are rigged even when knowing the RTP is 97%.

Or you are trying to troll and get all tinfoil hats excited

.

Exactly correct. Blackjack never ever runs at its target RTP.

 

[Nicola]

Had a insane run on Extra Chilli tonight, my largest ever scatter trigger and huge aces win. 8 bonus buys, 8 gambles which paid off and re-trigger mania!

Screenies up later on

 

[dogshead1]

@ BTG and MODS - Game is bollox. Still no had a reply from the casino rep on here been ignored by the Moderators. All I've asked from the casino Rep is a full breakdown of my results from all time feature gambles and theY can't even respond. Well I'll tell all here I'm in for 10k in losses at high stakes feature buys and my request will prove to you all the game is a scam. The gamble wheel at higher stakes you only win 1 in every 15 gambles so if you get extra scatters to start you may aswell buy its not worth the risk. If your ever lucky to ever get lucky enough to get to 16-20 spins even 24 you get fucked over like every buy you do. my biggest win in 10k buys is 400x for 1k. Explain how its possible to lose every 60/40 gamble at high stakes and I'm talking a large sample here. Yes that's 60% favorite to the player and lose every time. Can't wait for someone to take you guys to court for the sham you are!!!!!!!!

The fact that i've been ignored show disrespect to the player so FUCK YOU BTG REP and FUCK YOU too the admin. A clear show if not even chasing my request up to keep the truth behind the scam buried and the affiliate marketing campaign alive.

For all new members be aware know ones your friend here and BUY A FEATURE With BTG are a complete con!!!!!!!!!

 

[irish-ranger]

@ BTG and MODS - Game is bollox. Still no had a reply from the casino rep on here been ignored by the Moderators. All I've asked from the casino Rep is a full breakdown of my results from all time feature gambles and theY can't even respond. Well I'll tell all here I'm in for 10k in losses at high stakes feature buys and my request will prove to you all the game is a scam. The gamble wheel at higher stakes you only win 1 in every 15 gambles so if you get extra scatters to start you may aswell buy its not worth the risk. If your ever lucky to ever get lucky enough to get to 16-20 spins even 24 you get fucked over like every buy you do. my biggest win in 10k buys is 400x for 1k. Explain how its possible to lose every 60/40 gamble at high stakes and I'm talking a large sample here. Yes that's 60% favorite to the player and lose every time. Can't wait for someone to take you guys to court for the sham you are!!!!!!!!

The fact that i've been ignored show disrespect to the player so FUCK YOU BTG REP and FUCK YOU too the admin. A clear show if not even chasing my request up to keep the truth behind the scam buried and the affiliate marketing campaign alive.

For all new members be aware know ones your friend here and BUY A FEATURE With BTG are a complete con!!!!!!!!!

Seriously mate 3 points to consider
1 don't play BTG
2 Don't buy features
3 Stop gambling
There's nothing rigged about the features it's called gambling for a reason.

 

[lockinlove]

@dogshead1 Can you tell us how you truly feel about BTG and extra chili?

Looks like you need to get serious help. Your melt downs are getting worse and worse and those are signs of a severe problem gambler. I would suggest closing all accounts asap, using gamstop and never gamble again. Im sure someone has reported your post by now so you wont have much longer on here. I hope you take this post serious and get help as soon as possible before you lose everything, including your mental health.

People have given you advice and tried to help you with your addiction but all you have done is lash out at us, reps and the admins. We can see from the outside in, you have a very serious and dangerous problem and I hope you go and get the help you need.

Good luck.

 

[dogshead1]

@dogshead1 Can you tell us how you truly feel about BTG and extra chili?

Looks like you need to get serious help. Your melt downs are getting worse and worse and those are signs of a severe problem gambler. I would suggest closing all accounts asap, using gamstop and never gamble again. Im sure someone has reported your post by now so you wont have much longer on here. I hope you take this post serious and get help as soon as possible before you lose everything, including your mental health.

People have given you advice and tried to help you with your addiction but all you have done is lash out at us, reps and the admins. We can see from the outside in, you have a very serious and dangerous problem and I hope you go and get the help you need.

Good luck.

Well that’s were your full of shit. Nobody has tried to help. Everyone including admins, affiliates the majority of you are yes I done my research.

2. All my 10k was profit from other slots not once put myself in financial difficulty so fuck you constantly suggesting that!

3. My point is a very strong and valid one hence why the BTG ignored my personal request for data!!!!

4. My problem is with extra chilli is a scam it sucks you in in so many ways and now I’m publicaly warning others to stay away!

So yes fuck you all who doesn’t like heart dealt option from some who has had the experience to see what a scam money dump the slot is!

 

[dionysus]

so...move on...simples, no?
game bad=dont play
did you file a PAB? No? Then they admin here arent your whupping boys.
Yes, you did? Wait for maxd to resolve it

Otherwise, good gods, you question why others question you? Might be the potty-mouth rants I'm guessing

 

[lockinlove]

so...move on...simples, no?
game bad=dont play
did you file a PAB? No? Then they admin here arent your whupping boys.
Yes, you did? Wait for maxd to resolve it

Otherwise, good gods, you question why others question you? Might be the potty-mouth rants I'm guessing

Yeah its like jammin jars. Ive done about 10 $80+$40 sessions and done 40 cent spins. Never won anything over about 30x and have an rtp of 17% on that many spins. I just dont touch it anymore, its on the banned list. Some slots are just too money hungry, have to know when to just not bother. If you keep going back for a beating well thats how bad things begin!

 

[dionysus]

Yeah its like jammin jars. Ive done about 10 $80+$40 sessions and done 40 cent spins. Never won anything over about 30x and have an rtp of 17% on that many spins. I just dont touch it anymore, its on the banned list. Some slots are just too money hungry, have to know when to just not bother. If you keep going back for a beating well thats how bad things begin!

ya, that game sucks for me too
so every rare while, ill give it a handful of spins then move on..why flog the dead horse

 

[The Dude]

The fact that i've been ignored show disrespect to the player so FUCK YOU BTG REP and FUCK YOU too the admin. A clear show if not even chasing my request up to keep the truth behind the scam buried and the affiliate marketing campaign alive.

For all new members be aware know ones your friend here and BUY A FEATURE With BTG are a complete con!!!!!!!!!

I don't think I have paid much attention to this thread expect knowing that it was a serious gripe for a few. If you felt that serious about it - how about submitting a PAB so that we can take action on it?

If you don't like the feature - you don't play the game. If you think that feature violates some regulation - contact the regulatory commission. You want to complain about the game - you can have at it here. But to tell me to eff off? Sorry buddy, you have crossed the line.

Happy trails. I hope that juvenile outburst was worth it.

 

[Siohmy]

Yeah its like jammin jars. Ive done about 10 $80+$40 sessions and done 40 cent spins. Never won anything over about 30x and have an rtp of 17% on that many spins. I just dont touch it anymore, its on the banned list. Some slots are just too money hungry, have to know when to just not bother. If you keep going back for a beating well thats how bad things begin!

Holy crap! I will never complain about an online slot again ever. I knew Jammin Jars was a shower of you know what but damn!

 

[dunover]

Well that's very a strange comment coming from you

It doesn't need to cheat because of the mathematics - the house wins even if all the players play 100% perfectly.
You of all people, should know that.

KK

What he means is that unless every player and makes the absolute correct mathematical decision on every hand (according to the odds present which can affected by the amount of cards in the shoe etc.) then the game will always vary from the exact RTP, even in the long term. Unlike the dealer, no rules restrict the player to maintaining fixed actions on whether to stand or draw.

 

[trancemonkey]

Well that’s were your full of shit. Nobody has tried to help. Everyone including admins, affiliates the majority of you are yes I done my research.

2. All my 10k was profit from other slots not once put myself in financial difficulty so fuck you constantly suggesting that!

3. My point is a very strong and valid one hence why the BTG ignored my personal request for data!!!!

4. My problem is with extra chilli is a scam it sucks you in in so many ways and now I’m publicaly warning others to stay away!

So yes fuck you all who doesn’t like heart dealt option from some who has had the experience to see what a scam money dump the slot is!

He can't read this, but for the benefit of others...

The gamble will have been tested by GLI or other certified test houses, it isn't rigged.

Yes the game has sucked him in (his own words) but that's his fault, not the games. Can't control yourself? Then you have a problem... even if you aren't losing overall you can still have a gambling problem.

 

[dunover]

I once saw 8 consecutive lost 8-12 gambles. I have seen 7/9 win too. If you see Craig's last video where he plays it, he bought 2 features, BOTH gambled successfully to 24 spins and BOTH paid >1000x. That's randomness on HV slots.

 

[mack341]

Having not played extra chilli for a long while, I've had a few goes on it recently. The bonus is not easy to get in the first place but every time it landed I just collected the 8 spins, most of the bonuses didn't pay that much [nothing new there] and when you get a 7x result you instantly think 'damn I should have gambled that bonus and gone for 12', but is 12 even enough spins, so then you're after 16...

I know if feels boring not to gamble the 8 spin bonus but I think in the long run, if you intend to play the game a lot, your rtp will be not much different once you take into account all the bonuses lost on that gamble wheel, and if you're one of the unlucky ones your rtp will likely be worse. It's all mathematics at the end of the day, the higher wins at 24 spins have got to be paid for through enough people losing to the brutal wheel.

This was the best result, 181x [at the default £2 stake that would be £362], so the 8 spins can pay:

 

[paul7388]

Well its still my go to game lol.

But all this thread goes to show is that some people should not be gambling.

Only positive from his last posts is he never used that C word lol.

And mack341 as i have stated many a time all my best wins1000x and over have all been on 8 spins.

 

[nutnut]

Very sad he is lying to himself about a gambling problem and to pass off those 10k losses as winnings smacks of delusion.

You do not get that wound up.if its winnings lost. Scary how addiction can make people react, every post of his has sound stressed and not right.

Why we all need to go careful and not get hooked in rut.

 

[robby811]

Why we all need to go careful and not get hooked in nut.

 

[trancemonkey]

Last time i did Extra Chili i did 10-12buys lost all trying to get to 16 never again.

Given the odds are 60/40 then 50/50, you can statistically expect to get to 16 free games 3 in 10 attempts. That's an average of course.

 

[mack341]

just reading the help file and it says "the game without buying feature drop has an rtp of 96.15% - 96.41%"

So a question for @trancemonkey, regulation wise would the game be tested first on taking the core 8 spin bonus and that figure of 96.15% rtp is the testing result. Put another way, as that is the minimum rtp quoted, do you think that's the average rtp result over millions of spins from always taking the 8 spin bonus?

 

[trancemonkey]

just reading the help file and it says "the game without buying feature drop has an rtp of 96.15% - 96.41%"

So a question for @trancemonkey, regulation wise would the game be tested first on taking the core 8 spin bonus and that figure of 96.15% rtp is the testing result. Put another way, as that is the minimum rtp quoted, do you think that's the average rtp result over millions of spins from always taking the 8 spin bonus?

Almost certainly. You have to work out what the RTP is in the worst case scenario. This is the value you would display.

Failing that, you can display the RTP for best strategy as long as you state what the best strategy is.

 

[Jackstar]

I lost 21 buy ins trying to get to 16, 19 of those never made it to 12 spins. Called it a day after that.

 

[Siohmy]

What he means is that unless every player and makes the absolute correct mathematical decision on every hand (according to the odds present which can affected by the amount of cards in the shoe etc.) then the game will always vary from the exact RTP, even in the long term. Unlike the dealer, no rules restrict the player to maintaining fixed actions on whether to stand or draw.

It’s not the greatest of comparisons though really. The key difference is that in Blackjack the rules are very specifically laid out. You know exactly what you need to do, what the dealer is alowed to do and the general repercussions if you deviate from that.

Slots are far more cloak and dagger. They can present “best strategy” but this can be both wide ranging and potentially far more impactful. Best examples I guess are the ability to gamble wins, gamble the feature buys and gamble to potentially lose mid-feature on the new Blueprint “pub” range.

Gamble wins: not much to say here. Generally an ability to gamble your wins on anything from 60/40 or smaller odds. You have your money, you know the odds, you know possible outcomes. I’d like to see the option to switch them off although I personally don’t generally use them.

Gamble feature: here is where the waters start to get muddied. I’ll ignore any talk of supposedly rigged gambles as I personally do not believe them to be and this has been discussed to death. Also, the likes of Extra Chilli do show the TRTP based on both gambling and not gambling the feature which are pretty much the same so you are just increasing the variance although it does say “best strategy” is to gamble (only makes a fraction of a %age difference but technically correct, ethically, meh). Blueprint do not appear to say anything on Vikings Unleashed so can only conclude the TRTP is the same gamble or not. Fair enough. The impact on this variance however, unlike blackjack, isn’t really clear and outside of the theoretical 50000x max it’s quite a bit of guess work.

Those “pub” slots. These I have a real issue with. The examples above are at least largely transparent with the potential long term impact to your TRTP. Blueprints pub slots make no such concessions. The TRTP is something like 96.5% and can only be achieved by gambling everything. There is no indication whatsoever as to what impact not following this has and the player potentially has no idea either. Irrespective of how we work out how best to play these (not at all?!) there really is not enough information in this instance. As has been discussed elsewhere if you collect a modest amount every time you get the feature what is your TRTP likely to be? With a top award of 1000x just saying effectively gamble everything it’ll be alright is irresponsible programming. I’m a little surprised this got through the Gaming Commission or whoever clears this as it seems to go out of its way to say gamble or you’ll get proper screwed.

You could look at it as a fun inoffensive slot and don’t play it if you don’t like it (which is the go to response). I have pretty much bailed on it myself but the increase in more money, quicker turnover slots cannot be a good thing. Despite what some may think a lot of players want some fun with a chance to win a decent amount and, maybe once a year, land a monster. The gamble feature/within feature element coupled with Ultra HV is a seriously toxic mix.

How many normal gamblers will be able to stomach their 200x session rolls going in less than an hour on a fairly regular basis?

One last thing. I realise there are other slots out there and it is horses for courses but with the increase in releases of this nature plus some gradual removal of others, the landscape is changing dramatically.

 

[JGslots]

I once saw 8 consecutive lost 8-12 gambles. I have seen 7/9 win too. If you see Craig's last video where he plays it, he bought 2 features, BOTH gambled successfully to 24 spins and BOTH paid >1000x. That's randomness on HV slots.

No that’s streamers special RTP’s

 

[robby811]

No that’s streamers special RTP’s

No thats JGslots streamers RTP

 

[KasinoKing]

What he means is that unless every player and makes the absolute correct mathematical decision on every hand (according to the odds present which can affected by the amount of cards in the shoe etc.) then the game will always vary from the exact RTP, even in the long term. Unlike the dealer, no rules restrict the player to maintaining fixed actions on whether to stand or draw.

Yes agreed, but what he SAID was "It doesn't need to cheat because people play blackjack imperfectly." which implies that the game ONLY benefits the casinos if players don't play perfect strategy, i.e. if they play perfectly they will beat the house.
That is blatantly untrue.

KK

 

[dunover]

Yes agreed, but what he SAID was "It doesn't need to cheat because people play blackjack imperfectly." which implies that the game ONLY benefits the casinos if players don't play perfect strategy, i.e. if they play perfectly they will beat the house.
That is blatantly untrue.

KK

I think the appropriate line might be 'the game benefits the casinos MORE if players don't play the perfect strategy.' Not a game exists where people can beat the house with a perfect strategy. Agreed.

 

[Gaz237]

Given the odds are 60/40 then 50/50, you can statistically expect to get to 16 free games 3 in 10 attempts. That's an average of course.

50/50 then 60/40

 

[trancemonkey]

50/50 then 60/40

Sorry... you're right
Still the same odds overall

 

[trancemonkey]

Yes agreed, but what he SAID was "It doesn't need to cheat because people play blackjack imperfectly." which implies that the game ONLY benefits the casinos if players don't play perfect strategy, i.e. if they play perfectly they will beat the house.
That is blatantly untrue.

KK

Your inference is certainly not what I meant. If you play blackjack perfectly (dependent on the rules of the blackjack you are playing) the house has an edge of around 0.5%. This means with perfect play it runs at around 99.5%.

However, players play imperfectly and this can lower the RTP by as much as 8%.

At no point did I say, or in my opinion infer, that players can beat blackjack. For the sake of clarity I will put it like this.

Play well, get a higher RTP
Play badly, get a lower RTP

 

[Nicola]

I ballsed up just now brought a £500 feature by mistake (read the wrong bet size) and won £489 back. Phew!

 

[Aryol]

I bought 200 feature buys in demo mode and wrote it down (if it is allowed, I can share the whole table - there is a chance that some data is not correct so I will need to check that maybe before. However, that is maybe a total difference around 0,05 %).

Was quite interesting, here are the results:

(This took me nearly 8 hours "work time")

 

[Reelsoffun]

Nice, although real money bets would have been more fun lol

Also I think people would have liked a break down of the wheel gambles win loss rather than all bundled together, eg how many green wheel win loss etc

Like I have said in previous posts the wheels seem fair albeit streaky.