Explosions in Manchester

[dunover]

Mmmmmm...

I never thought muslims were a 'race' myself. Opposing a medieval belief system that is generally very antipathetic to European traditions and culture doesn't make one a 'racist' nor does saying that gun/gang and knife crime is predominantly an issue in the black community, or that renting houses and turning them into cannabis farms is a crime heavily favoured by the Vietnamese community. These are facts and even the esteemed ex Race Relations Commissioner in the UK, a black gentleman called Trevor Phillips has recently been on TV advocating that we should stop shouting down people that dare to mention 'race specific' negatives otherwise nothing ever gets achieved and it divides people more than ever.

Interlog lives in the UK, in London in fact. From his perspective everything he said is correct - maybe not worldwide as was pointed out with the IRA/UDA/ETA/FARC etc. but I have checked this and since the IRA ceased to be active a long time back now, EVERY terror attack there has been Islamic in motive.

Getting heated up about things may not work, but appeasement and political correctness absolutely doesn't work. He is also Dutch and is probably aware of the havoc wreaked on his home country by a large recalcitrant part of the population, most of which never gets near the selective stories covered by the media unless it's to criticize Geert Wilders.

Whether his posts were reported or not isn't relevant to me, but the fact that those of certain opinion that consider themselves 'liberal' are ALWAYS the ones that use these facilities knowing they will be carrying out the very illiberal act of curtailing somebody else's freedom of expression, never ceases to amaze me.

What has it achieved? OK, a member has been booted for 15 days no doubt to the delight of one or two anonymous informers. As I saw it people like Dionysus were doing fine correcting his pronouncement of an all-muslim terrorist world and balancing things out. Now we have lost a decent member who many of us have met and have just cemented the way he feels about things, marginalized him, divided ourselves - exactly what the scum that murder our children are trying to achieve.

So now those with opposing views have lost the opportunity to correct him with the keyboard, using knowledge or refined argument or logic. So who wins?

You people not in the UK will probably understand this as I'm sure your respective countries have suffered their own vile acts by the proponents of 'the religion of peace' but let me remind you: people are ANGRY, upset and are faced with fear of speaking out due to PC laws, frustrated by the Police seeming more concerned about 'community cohesion' and are frustrated that nobody seems willing to acknowledge the obvious, that you cannot force oil and water to mix.

 

[syrus2]

Mmmmmm...

I never thought muslims were a 'race' myself. Opposing a medieval belief system that is generally very antipathetic to European traditions and culture doesn't make one a 'racist' nor does saying that gun/gang and knife crime is predominantly an issue in the black community, or that renting houses and turning them into cannabis farms is a crime heavily favoured by the Vietnamese community. These are facts and even the esteemed ex Race Relations Commissioner in the UK, a black gentleman called Trevor Phillips has recently been on TV advocating that we should stop shouting down people that dare to mention 'race specific' negatives otherwise nothing ever gets achieved and it divides people more than ever.

Interlog lives in the UK, in London in fact. From his perspective everything he said is correct - maybe not worldwide as was pointed out with the IRA/UDA/ETA/FARC etc. but I have checked this and since the IRA ceased to be active a long time back now, EVERY terror attack there has been Islamic in motive.

Getting heated up about things may not work, but appeasement and political correctness absolutely doesn't work. He is also Dutch and is probably aware of the havoc wreaked on his home country by a large recalcitrant part of the population, most of which never gets near the selective stories covered by the media unless it's to criticize Geert Wilders.

Whether his posts were reported or not isn't relevant to me, but the fact that those of certain opinion that consider themselves 'liberal' are ALWAYS the ones that use these facilities knowing they will be carrying out the very illiberal act of curtailing somebody else's freedom of expression, never ceases to amaze me.

What has it achieved? OK, a member has been booted for 15 days no doubt to the delight of one or two anonymous informers. As I saw it people like Dionysus were doing fine correcting his pronouncement of an all-muslim terrorist world and balancing things out. Now we have lost a decent member who many of us have met and have just cemented the way he feels about things, marginalized him, divided ourselves - exactly what the scum that murder our children are trying to achieve.

So now those with opposing views have lost the opportunity to correct him with the keyboard, using knowledge or refined argument or logic. So who wins?

You people not in the UK will probably understand this as I'm sure your respective countries have suffered their own vile acts by the proponents of 'the religion of peace' but let me remind you: people are ANGRY, upset and are faced with fear of speaking out due to PC laws, frustrated by the Police seeming more concerned about 'community cohesion' and are frustrated that nobody seems willing to acknowledge the obvious, that you cannot force oil and water to mix.

Do you even know what an terror attack means ?? Defenition of it ??

If you had taken your time to read the post NR : NO 26, then you were be able to realize that your judgment is based on lak of knowledge.
Not facts .

BTW, just for the record, I come from a Christian family and I hate religion (all kind of it).

 

[greylady]

Can we stick to the vein of the thread, the atrocity of what happened in Manchester opposed to having a religious debate that may end up getting one or two more people a ban

 

[lockinlove]

What dunover said in the first part of his post is exactly where people are uninformed and misguided (not meaning him) and start throwing around the term racism. What is a muslim? It is not a race. It can be a white man or woman, black, asian or irish. A muslim is the term used for a follower of the religion of Islam of the prophet muhammad.

Edit:




When people say "its those damn muslims" That is not racist. It is the exact same thing as saying "those damn christians". Is it acceptable to say either way? Probably not because its hating on people's beliefs But it is not racist.

People are picturing it in their head that using the term muslim is referring to a brown colored person who lives in Afghanistan. It can be a white person living in Canada.

Christians used to be just as bad as muslims can be. If you read up on the history, they used to have holy wars, killing murdering and raping in the supposed name of Jesus. The difference is, christianity for the most part evolved where islam has not for the most part.

One thing I would like to do is sit down with a muslim and ask them some questions about their faith. My questions would be how do you follow Allah when your holy book states "you can have a female whether she has menstruated yet or not" And states "all non believers must be punished by death". Yet the peaceful ones do not take part in these suggestions knowing they are wrong. So their god is wrong?

Reading and studying can only teach us so much but until you sit down and try and understand it, its near impossible to grasp.

Can we stick to the vein of the thread, the atrocity of what happened in Manchester opposed to having a religious debate that may end up getting one or two more people a ban

It would be nice but its almost impossible when it was a religious related event its always going to spill over. You also have to remember alot of the people commenting and a wide majority of the members here are from the country where this happened.

 

[greylady]

It would be nice but its almost impossible when it was a religious related event its always going to spill over. You also have to remember alot of the people commenting and a wide majority of the members here are from the country where this happened.

I too live in the UK albeit in Scotland. I have travelled all over the world having served 13 years in the Army, served in Iraq, NI and Afghanistan and for every tour trouble has started with religion - I have learned that it does not matter what my opinion or anyone else's opinion is, you will always offend someone when you bring religion into the mix - I was merely trying to stop this thread becoming heated and spilling over into a religious bashing, when realistically we should be thinking about those killed in the atrocity and the barbaric acts of some people in society

 

[syntynyt]

interlog have had a very good point, the problem should be addressed internally in the Muslim community by mass protesting against radicalism and public condemn the perpetrators. This never happened. White people are the best in keeping a naive borderline stupid reaction of faith and positive thought that will be better, that we will stay unite in diversity stronger than before. This blind 'we are all humans' unity will soon produce the next attack. Keep fighting them with candles and prayers, keep hugging good Muslims for a nice pic, soon will be near you or your name will be written in the victim list. General reaction to this is ill and doomed to repeat. Indeed Allah is great, greater and stronger than ever frequently displacing 12 yo virgin lots, your unity is allowing, have fun.

 

[dionysus]

What dunover said in the first part of your post is exactly where people are uninformed and misguided (not meaning him) and start throwing around the term racism. What is a muslim? It is not a race. It can be a white man or woman, black, asian or irish. A muslim is the term used for a follower of the religion of Islam of the prophet muhammad.

When people say "its those damn muslims" That is not racist. It is the exact same thing as saying "those damn christians". Is it acceptable to say either way? Probably not because its hating on people's beliefs But it is not racist.

People are picturing it in their head that using the term muslim is referring to a brown colored person who lives in Afghanistan. It can be a white person living in Canada.
.

And again, Muslim is not synonymous with radical Islam no more than Christian is with Christian zealot.
The problem with saying 'it's those damn Muslims' is tarring Muslims with the same brush as radicalized assholes. Just as PTA pie-baking Betty who hits Sunday service is done a disservice by being branded 'a damn Chrstian' because some whackjob likes to wear a hood and give a good ol shit-kicking in the name of his faith, bastarding it.

Hate the terroroist, not the faith. Hate on elements of a faith if you choose. It's fine to argue the tenets of faith...any faith. But it's hardly universal.

What's the second largest religion in Canada? Muslim. Strangely we manage to truck along fine (and before anyone wants to truck out 'muslim' attacks in Canada, sure, we've had them...just as there's been non-Muslim acts of terror. Our big ol' mosaic for the most part is doing just fine.

Point is, hate on the whackjobs all you want. Just bear in mind where and what it is you're actually hating on and calling out.

I'm with greylady; and I'm out.
Peace

 

[aceking123]

a tad harsh to be banned for expression ,a lot of people in the uk are devastated by what's happen along with a awful lot of anger. people say some strange things in heat of the moment , i shall refrain from making any comments on it as it draws far too many tears.

 

[syrus2]

What dunover said in the first part of his post is exactly where people are uninformed and misguided (not meaning him) and start throwing around the term racism. What is a muslim? It is not a race. It can be a white man or woman, black, asian or irish. A muslim is the term used for a follower of the religion of Islam of the prophet muhammad.

Edit:

View attachment 78705


When people say "its those damn muslims" That is not racist. It is the exact same thing as saying "those damn christians". Is it acceptable to say either way? Probably not because its hating on people's beliefs But it is not racist.

People are picturing it in their head that using the term muslim is referring to a brown colored person who lives in Afghanistan. It can be a white person living in Canada.

Christians used to be just as bad as muslims can be. If you read up on the history, they used to have holy wars, killing murdering and raping in the supposed name of Jesus. The difference is, christianity for the most part evolved where islam has not for the most part.

One thing I would like to do is sit down with a muslim and ask them some questions about their faith. My questions would be how do you follow Allah when your holy book states "you can have a female whether she has menstruated yet or not" And states "all non believers must be punished by death". Yet the peaceful ones do not take part in these suggestions knowing they are wrong. So their god is wrong?

Reading and studying can only teach us so much but until you sit down and try and understand it, its near impossible to grasp.



It would be nice but its almost impossible when it was a religious related event its always going to spill over. You also have to remember alot of the people commenting and a wide majority of the members here are from the country where this happened.

Just bcuz bunch of pastors abuse children, that does'nt makes all Christian folk pedophile does it?? nor does it mean that every Christian soul will do the same and gonna follow them.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

you drive with an old chevy pickup truck on the Route 67, expecting to lift a hot looking bird with a paar of green eyes, at 2.30 AM ???

Well , I bet you gonna end up somewhere in Grand Canyon sitting next to a campfire smoking a pipe with an indian, having a vision of the Griswold experience.
nothing more, sugar !!

 

[sledge13]

When the Koran teaches muslims to kill the non believer, which even the most moderate muslim worships...we are in massive trouble. Dunover spells out the truths on here.

The bible teaches to turn the other cheek, the total opposite.

 

[dionysus]

When the Koran teaches muslims to kill the non believer, which even the most moderate muslim worships...we are in massive trouble. Dunover spells out the truths on here.

The bible teaches to turn the other cheek, the total opposite.

you must have read a different Bible

 

[goatwack]

Fair to say that these perpetrators of heinous acts of barbarism don't actually possess any shred of faith or spirituality to begin with. Theirs is a hateful interpretation of an already violent scripture, albeit that it was 'of the time' and has little relevance today, and is at direct odds with western culture.

Given that these radicalized tossers are usually of the 'disaffected, friendless and low-IQ' variety, and that our prisons have become recruitment hotbeds, this problem doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon.

Even worse, allowing anyone re-entry into the UK after doing the rounds in Syria, Libya, back round through Italy, France & Belgium is treasonous to the population, with our politicians expecting us to pick up the pieces.

The UK has had a multitude of ethnicities and nationalities, London especially, and it's been a normal part of growing up. Muslims aren't the problem; what is a problem is the swarm of unvetted criminals from Islamic nations being given leeway to do as they please, with the sole aim of destroying our way of life.

Politicians and the media are bending over backwards to protect their human rights, at the expense of the grieving parents and lamentations of all decent folk. Pointing out where and what these people are does not equate to racism, but rather observation tinged with frustration and anger at our politicians

 

[lockinlove]

I too live in the UK albeit in Scotland. I have travelled all over the world having served 13 years in the Army, served in Iraq, NI and Afghanistan and for every tour trouble has started with religion - I have learned that it does not matter what my opinion or anyone else's opinion is, you will always offend someone when you bring religion into the mix - I was merely trying to stop this thread becoming heated and spilling over into a religious bashing, when realistically we should be thinking about those killed in the atrocity and the barbaric acts of some people in society

lol we dont discuss religion or politics at our family dinners because no matter who is there, family friends or acquaintances there will always be varying opinions. Just like everywhere else.

And again, Muslim is not synonymous with radical Islam no more than Christian is with Christian zealot.
The problem with saying 'it's those damn Muslims' is tarring Muslims with the same brush as radicalized assholes. Just as PTA pie-baking Betty who hits Sunday service is done a disservice by being branded 'a damn Chrstian' because some whackjob likes to wear a hood and give a good ol shit-kicking in the name of his faith, bastarding it.

Hate the terroroist, not the faith. Hate on elements of a faith if you choose. It's fine to argue the tenets of faith...any faith. But it's hardly universal.

What's the second largest religion in Canada? Muslim. Strangely we manage to truck along fine (and before anyone wants to truck out 'muslim' attacks in Canada, sure, we've had them...just as there's been non-Muslim acts of terror. Our big ol' mosaic for the most part is doing just fine.

Point is, hate on the whackjobs all you want. Just bear in mind where and what it is you're actually hating on and calling out.

I'm with greylady; and I'm out.
Peace

Hence I used the term "the peaceful ones" and why I would like to understand why their holy bible states the things I listed, yet they dont follow the word of their prophet.

And remember it isnt just nut jobs. Its written in their bible to do these acts. So they are doing it because of their religious beliefs not a mental illness.

Lets use Christianity vs Islam as an example. The really extreme religious Christians must attend church, they will not have sex til marriage. Sex will be used only to create children. No swearing, lying, drinking and drugs. The more laid back christian does these things but still believes in god and half arsed practices the faith.

An extremist muslim, kills, rapes and assault in the name of their god because their scripture tells them to. While the more laid back muslim practices part of their religion but doesnt act on the word so literally as the others.

Therefore giving you the good and the bad of each religion. And as you say, not painting them all with the same brush. Which myself and others have not done in this thread.

In western society we are taught young to love each other, treat girls with respect and help people.

In the other parts of the world, this is not taught so much and this is why there are different levels of religions.

Just bcuz bunch of pastors abuse children, that does'nt makes all Christian folk pedophile does it?? nor does it mean that every Christian soul will do the same and gonna follow them.

I get what you are trying to imply but the christian bible doesnt suggest that christian men take females as their wives who have not yet menstruated. Where as the Quran has entire sections, almost like a list of rules for their followers to abide by.

 

[asadzareef89]

When the Koran teaches muslims to kill the non believer, which even the most moderate muslim worships...we are in massive trouble. Dunover spells out the truths on here.

The bible teaches to turn the other cheek, the total opposite.

To qoute things out of context is another problem that arose from social media

If you look at verses that discuss the issue in an appropriate context, you see that quran proposes something akin to a just war position.

8:12 is talking about the battle of Badr when there was a war between the Muslims who had moved to Madinah, and the Quraysh who had tortured them, beaten them, ostracized them and killed a number of them Surat Al-'Anfal [8:9-15]. Allah is actually not even giving instructions to people at this point. If you read the verse it's giving instructions to angels (and yes, I know many people have problems with the concept of angels; let's leave that for another question).

And prophet muhammad's last sermon b4 his death advocated

''All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action''

Like dionysis and greylady i'm out. Peace

 

[lockinlove]

Fair to say that these perpetrators of heinous acts of barbarism don't actually possess any shred of faith or spirituality to begin with. Theirs is a hateful interpretation of an already violent scripture, albeit that it was 'of the time' and has little relevance today, and is at direct odds with western culture.

Given that these radicalized tossers are usually of the 'disaffected, friendless and low-IQ' variety, and that our prisons have become recruitment hotbeds, this problem doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon.

Even worse, allowing anyone re-entry into the UK after doing the rounds in Syria, Libya, back round through Italy, France & Belgium is treasonous to the population, with our politicians expecting us to pick up the pieces.

The UK has had a multitude of ethnicities and nationalities, London especially, and it's been a normal part of growing up. Muslims aren't the problem; what is a problem is the swarm of unvetted criminals from Islamic nations being given leeway to do as they please, with the sole aim of destroying our way of life.

Politicians and the media are bending over backwards to protect their human rights, at the expense of the grieving parents and lamentations of all decent folk. Pointing out where and what these people are does not equate to racism, but rather observation tinged with frustration and anger at our politicians

I think its a mixture of different traits. Power hungry, easily swayed, friendless, socially awkward, easily dictated too and the feeling of acceptance into something 'important'. The faith comes later and then they become an extremist. Half belief, half as an excuse to act like a raving power hungry lunatic.

You take the extremists who have children, they groom them since they are children to become religious fanatics that hang on every violent suggestion in the Quran. As I mentioned before, countries have actual classes inside their school grooming them as such. Footage and textbooks were found all throughout classrooms in Iran.

Lets say there is a city in Iran and the population is 100,000 that practice the above. And for conversation sake, each one of them has one child and the laws of their land are to teach their kids hate. In 20 years you have 100,000 extremist. Some of them move off to other countries and it spreads. Rinse and repeat for decades and you have a problem like we are seeing more often now.

This is exactly how it happened when Christians tried to conquer the earth. They groomed their children from very early on that any non believers would be killed.

 

[dunover]

To qoute things out of context is another problem that arose from social media

If you look at verses that discuss the issue in an appropriate context, you see that quran proposes something akin to a just war position.

8:12 is talking about the battle of Badr when there was a war between the Muslims who had moved to Madinah, and the Quraysh who had tortured them, beaten them, ostracized them and killed a number of them Surat Al-'Anfal [8:9-15]. Allah is actually not even giving instructions to people at this point. If you read the verse it's giving instructions to angels (and yes, I know many people have problems with the concept of angels; let's leave that for another question).

And prophet muhammad's last sermon b4 his death advocated

''All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action''

Like dionysis and greylady i'm out. Peace

It's not what it says in the koran that's necessarily the problem - or the Bible for that matter. It's the fact that in the 21st. century there are still communities and hundreds of millions of people on this planet that take the shit seriously, and hand it down and brainwash ignorant generation after ignorant generation despite all the contrary knowledge that now exists.

 

[lockinlove]

To qoute things out of context is another problem that arose from social media

If you look at verses that discuss the issue in an appropriate context, you see that quran proposes something akin to a just war position.

8:12 is talking about the battle of Badr when there was a war between the Muslims who had moved to Madinah, and the Quraysh who had tortured them, beaten them, ostracized them and killed a number of them Surat Al-'Anfal [8:9-15]. Allah is actually not even giving instructions to people at this point. If you read the verse it's giving instructions to angels (and yes, I know many people have problems with the concept of angels; let's leave that for another question).

And prophet muhammad's last sermon b4 his death advocated

''All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action''

Like dionysis and greylady i'm out. Peace

taken out of context? Actually no, none is taken out of context. It isnt a maze of words. Its straightforward This is maybe 1% of what is written in the Quran suggesting violence. There is hundreds more scriptures like this and worse.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."



Now excuse me I have to go play bonanza

 

[syrus2]

lol we dont discuss religion or politics at our family dinners because no matter who is there, family friends or acquaintances there will always be varying opinions. Just like everywhere else.



Hence I used the term "the peaceful ones" and why I would like to understand why their holy bible states the things I listed, yet they dont follow the word of their prophet.

And remember it isnt just nut jobs. Its written in their bible to do these acts. So they are doing it because of their religious beliefs not a mental illness.

Lets use Christianity vs Islam as an example. The really extreme religious Christians must attend church, they will not have sex til marriage. Sex will be used only to create children. No swearing, lying, drinking and drugs. The more laid back christian does these things but still believes in god and half arsed practices the faith.

An extremist muslim, kills, rapes and assault in the name of their god because their scripture tells them to. While the more laid back muslim practices part of their religion but doesnt act on the word so literally as the others.

Therefore giving you the good and the bad of each religion. And as you say, not painting them all with the same brush. Which myself and others have not done in this thread.

In western society we are taught young to love each other, treat girls with respect and help people.

In the other parts of the world, this is not taught so much and this is why there are different levels of religions.



I get what you are trying to imply but the christian bible doesnt suggest that christian men take females as their wives who have not yet menstruated. Where as the Quran has entire sections, almost like a list of rules for their followers to abide by.

No, you do'nt.
All kind of religion has positive and negative aspects.
You should ask my mother (she visit the Church 3 times a day), about first girl who was stoned to death.
I bet you will be amazed with kind of answer you get.

But that's not my point. The point is you're completely out of track here and making off the topic posts in you're own thread. ( it's your thread ).

Religion has nothing to do with what happened in Manchester.
We had this kind of attacks also in countries such as Turkey and majority of people who got killed was Muslims.

whether you're Christian or Muslim/ black or white/ long or short/.... makes no difference to the guy who did it.
His goal is something else and your judgment is based on lak of knowledge.
Which is understandable.
You sound like a smart bird. But certainly not as an field agent.

 

[lockinlove]

You sound like a smart bird. But certainly not as an field agent.

Im not going to bother with the rest of your post but I will take this as a compliment even if it wasnt meant as one




G-O-L-

no D

 

[Mouche12]

Mmmmmm...

I never thought muslims were a 'race' myself. Opposing a medieval belief system that is generally very antipathetic to European traditions and culture doesn't make one a 'racist' nor does saying that gun/gang and knife crime is predominantly an issue in the black community, or that renting houses and turning them into cannabis farms is a crime heavily favoured by the Vietnamese community. These are facts and even the esteemed ex Race Relations Commissioner in the UK, a black gentleman called Trevor Phillips has recently been on TV advocating that we should stop shouting down people that dare to mention 'race specific' negatives otherwise nothing ever gets achieved and it divides people more than ever.

Interlog lives in the UK, in London in fact. From his perspective everything he said is correct - maybe not worldwide as was pointed out with the IRA/UDA/ETA/FARC etc. but I have checked this and since the IRA ceased to be active a long time back now, EVERY terror attack there has been Islamic in motive.

Getting heated up about things may not work, but appeasement and political correctness absolutely doesn't work. He is also Dutch and is probably aware of the havoc wreaked on his home country by a large recalcitrant part of the population, most of which never gets near the selective stories covered by the media unless it's to criticize Geert Wilders.

Whether his posts were reported or not isn't relevant to me, but the fact that those of certain opinion that consider themselves 'liberal' are ALWAYS the ones that use these facilities knowing they will be carrying out the very illiberal act of curtailing somebody else's freedom of expression, never ceases to amaze me.

What has it achieved? OK, a member has been booted for 15 days no doubt to the delight of one or two anonymous informers. As I saw it people like Dionysus were doing fine correcting his pronouncement of an all-muslim terrorist world and balancing things out. Now we have lost a decent member who many of us have met and have just cemented the way he feels about things, marginalized him, divided ourselves - exactly what the scum that murder our children are trying to achieve.

So now those with opposing views have lost the opportunity to correct him with the keyboard, using knowledge or refined argument or logic. So who wins?

You people not in the UK will probably understand this as I'm sure your respective countries have suffered their own vile acts by the proponents of 'the religion of peace' but let me remind you: people are ANGRY, upset and are faced with fear of speaking out due to PC laws, frustrated by the Police seeming more concerned about 'community cohesion' and are frustrated that nobody seems willing to acknowledge the obvious, that you cannot force oil and water to mix.

There's a very good reason why NONE of the other political parties want anything to do with Geert Wilders and his party. Targeting certain groups of the Dutch population, inciting hatred - in short: right-wing populism - is all they do, no constructive solutions whatsoever are provided and Wilders was also found guilty of hate speech by a Dutch court.

I'm fed up with people referring to 'the religion of peace' in this context. We are talking about serious, bat-crazy criminals here, so let's focus on them instead and the criminal organisations they belong to and find solutions to prevent these atrocities from happening. Remember, criminals may abuse any doctrine or religion to commit horrendous crimes if it suits their purposes. Or they do it just for fun, out of frustration, self-hatred and rage, mental illness, whatever - but don't point the finger at other people who happen to share the same religion, it's unfair and will only make matters worse.

 

[syrus2]

Im not going to bother with the rest of your post but I will take this as a compliment even if it wasnt meant as one




G-O-L-

no D

If i wanna kick your ars, i just do it right in your face. I'm not gonna stick a knife in your back. do'nt like that kind of shit.

It was meant as a compliment.
you made some few good points in your posts .

 

[nutnut]

The fact Interlog has been banned for his post, is exactly why these issues(terrorism) exist in our modern society.

In no way was Interlog being racist, infact how can he be muslims are not a bloody race for god sake. Neither was he spreading hate or trolling(a word people use too easily).

It was quite clear to anyone with a brain he was simply saying these terrorists are muslims, OR at least claim to be. This is a fact, they do not proclaim to be jews or christian.

Now are they actually muslims, according to moderate muslims they're not, but as has been touched on by others, it is upto the wider muslim community to make a stance against these people otherwise people will THINK they do represent the wider muslim community.

Get off your political correct high horse.

 

[slotplayer]

I saw nothing seriously wrong with Interlog's statement, other than a bit of a stereotype. I see the PC bs as the problem.

imo, you left progressives are destroying the world with your obsession for absolute tolerance at any cost, like the life of an 8 year little girl, as innocent as one gets.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Well it appears to be the case these days. You can't disagree with the fact that the most recent acts of terrorism have been committed by Muslims

Not waiting until your 15 day ban is expired, but i think you could have at least had the decency to add something like, 'it seems to me', or 'the public', or 'this is what it feels like for most people here in the U.K. these days' to that utterly nonsensical comment...

This part i quoted could have been implemented in your first statement...Makes it sound a whole lot different.
As somewhat of a public figure here, and streamer and webmaster i think you should choose your words more carefully: respect the fact that you have readership, followers and/or whatnot, and try to be an example.

We have enough fake news, propaganda and opinionated hatemongers already, that unfortunately have a huge impact on the general opinion of the masses these days. Not saying you are one, but when you state such a nonsensical sentence as if it were a 'fact', you're not exactly the opposite either.

 

[Playford7]

It's not what it says in the koran that's necessarily the problem - or the Bible for that matter. It's the fact that in the 21st. century there are still communities and hundreds of millions of people on this planet that take the shit seriously, and hand it down and brainwash ignorant generation after ignorant generation despite all the contrary knowledge that now exists.

The fact Interlog has been banned for his post, is exactly why these issues(terrorism) exist in our modern society.

In no way was Interlog being racist, infact how can he be muslims are not a bloody race for god sake. Neither was he spreading hate or trolling(a word people use too easily).

It was quite clear to anyone with a brain he was simply saying these terrorists are muslims, OR at least claim to be. This is a fact, they do not proclaim to be jews or christian.

Now are they actually muslims, according to moderate muslims they're not, but as has been touched on by others, it is upto the wider muslim community to make a stance against these people otherwise people will THINK they do represent the wider muslim community.

Get off your political correct high horse.

I saw nothing seriously wrong with Interlog's statement, other than a bit of a stereotype. I see the PC bs as the problem.

imo, you left progressives are destroying the world with your obsession for absolute tolerance at any cost, like the life of an 8 year little girl, as innocent as one gets.

Not waiting until your 15 day ban is expired, but i think you could have at least had the decency to add something like, 'it seems to me', or 'the public', or 'this is what it feels like for most people here in the U.K. these days' to that utterly nonsensical comment...

This part i quoted could have been implemented in your first statement...Makes it sound a whole lot different.
As somewhat of a public figure here, and streamer and webmaster i think you should choose your words more carefully: respect the fact that you have readership, followers and/or whatnot, and try to be an example.

We have enough fake news, propaganda and opinionated hatemongers already, that unfortunately have a huge impact on the general opinion of the masses these days. Not saying you are one, but when you state such a nonsensical sentence as if it were a 'fact', you're not exactly the opposite either.

The fact and it is a fact is the majority of terrorist attacks that kill people are in the name of Islam. That would mean a Muslim committed those acts of terrorism.
Now people say not all Muslims are terrorists and yes that's true, however though they all read from the same book, the beliefs are the same only interpretation and the will to totally follow the word differs.
The problem with Islam is a massive one. And it certainly needs discussing at all levels, these vigils and marches are a admirable gesture, but they are just that, a gesture.
This doesn't look into the Islamic community rarerly integrating, the wanting of sharia law in western Christian counties. Nor does it address the massive problem of child grooming around Europe by predominantly Muslim men (again fact).
Look at the uk police report, official report on the child abuse case in Rotherham, it states in that report the police where afraid to act in case they where accused of being racist... now there is something fundamentally wrong here, if you can't access your right of free speech and mention Islam, then the problem isn't with the person wanting to use there democratic right, it lies within the subject they wish to speak about..islam
This leftist view that if you want to discuss this your automatically placed into a racial pigeon hole is absurd and offensive at best.
In manchester children died in the name of allah, im quite sure 'god is great' was shouted before he pressed that button.
Now again the police have openly said (fact) they knew about this man, they had information on this man, yet they didn't act, is this a case of fear of offending Muslims and Islam again? Maybe we won't find out.
To conclude. Terrorism in Europe and where I live England, is a Muslim problem, I've no issue at all saying that. Yet we never see the Muslim community denouncing this on a massive platform do we?.. yet on the fake news as you say we do get the left saying 'let's just carry' on, we 'will not be beaten'...until people like yourself and others are prepared to discuss this as the problem it really is we will always be beaten. The official statistics that show terrorist attacks all factually prove those who...killed people by truck in France to be Muslim, Berlin...Muslim...London...muslim..France many times all Muslim.
So interlogs post was pretty bang on the money I'm afraid, and those who silenced him for free speech are those who are afraid to tackle the main issue at hand.
RIP manchester.

 

[ternur]

The fact and it is a fact is the majority of terrorist attacks that kill people are in the name of Islam. [...]

That's way too narrow view of terrorism. Social and political context can't be ignored if there is a serious discussion about causes of terrorism. I believe Arun Kundnani has stated that: "the official narrative implies that, once an individual has adopted an extremist religious ideology, terrorism will result, irrespective of the political context or any calculation on the part of an organisation or social movement."

Also, if a muslim commits an criminal terrorism act, it is viewed differently by the media and policy makers: again Kundnani's words: "political violence committed by Muslims is interpreted as symptomatic of a wider clash of values and identity, political violence from the far Right has been downplayed and interpreted as a matter of “lone wolves” operating outside of any broader enabling environment."

You also can't leave out foreign policy decisions.

Like always, when heinous criminal acts like this happen, sensible people are shocked and outraged. And rightly so. There's no excuse or acceptable justification for terrorism. But in a civil society, we should be able to freely discuss all aspects of terrorism. It's not easy to do so, when these acts happen in your doorsteps or you or someone you know is killed or hurt.

But rather than making the discussion of causality an issue of faith, more comprehensive approach is needed. There are studies indicating that in many cases religion or ideology of a terrorist is thin and superficial.

The media reporting in general mostly follows the current official narrative (which ever it may be). And that's creating more problems than offering solutions IMO.

 

[goatwack]

Islam is beyond any form of criticism or debate, our police, media and leaders have given it a cloak of immunity that no one dare challenge for fear of being labelled a racist or hate merchant.

No progress will ever be made if no civil, constructive discussion can be had about the outdated ideology contained within the Quran, and how its core values need to be brought into line with modern life- starting within the Muslim community.

Tolerance, diversity and solidarity is supposed to mean just that, so whilst in a democratic society Muslims leaders should take the lead in weeding out the individuals that do so much to deface Islam in western society.

 

[spintee]

Islam is beyond any form of criticism or debate, our police, media and leaders have given it a cloak of immunity that no one dare challenge for fear of being labelled a racist or hate merchant.

No progress will ever be made if no civil, constructive discussion can be had about the outdated ideology contained within the Quran, and how its core values need to be brought into line with modern life- starting within the Muslim community.

Tolerance, diversity and solidarity is supposed to mean just that, so whilst in a democratic society Muslims leaders should take the lead in weeding out the individuals that do so much to deface Islam in western society.

I repeat just take a look at Tony Robinson free speacth on you tube, He is not a racist creature every body makes him out to be let alone the shit he has hat to Indore

The police and government does not want to let us soscitey know whats going on, No1 as its been mentioned its due to religion and racist yet they let people stand out side temple telling people what and what they cannot do, again look at you tube.

If the true reality come out than people would be WTF its that all about when theses animals get arrested (or when) no media is informed and this is why it all goes noticed, and if you see what I said on you tube than you will know most media is baned from such court case that goes on on a regular basis,

I swear on my budget for spins I could right a book about this crap and it would be only 1 day of my life. I know Muslims I know Hindu and sikh, my mum live in an asian cuminty and not as so much a cuminty no more but there you go. Opposite her is a white women turned Muslim, now we all know what happen to the last white women that turned muslim or should I say white wido if I am alowed, Takes me two secs to sort things out BUT You cannot take all theses people as bad, yet 99% of them know the score

I do not think this is the place to talk about this stuff or we all get banned which in fairness this is a casino place albeit we do get banned for speaking casino but thats the boss's rules, So to cut storys short if any body has a link (and with the boss permission) we move this some where else

I thank you guys as I not the best word & writer but I going to have a beer and let some religon try stooping that one

 

[Dinahnana]

I watched a documentary on this last night and it seems the terrorist and his father has been on the radar in the past. The father for extremist views in Syria and the terrorist for his repeated trips to fight in Syria. If I recall this is the second time in the last few years that terrorists were on the radar of British intelligence but were allowed to commit gross acts of terrorism. Remember the Drummer Rigby case? His murderers were on the radar. It seems to me that the intelligence services keeps dropping the ball and need to be more proactive in protecting the public from people with extremist views. Chances are that these people could act on these views as history has shown us thus far. I will say that these zealots only represent a small portion of the Muslim community and we must remember that.

P.S. Forgot to add that the one of the big leaders of ISIS is a British citizen and was allowed to travel to Syria in order to join his cronies a few years ago. He should have been in jail.

 

[paul7388]

Was not going to comment on this thread as my opinions on muslims terrorists etc. are better kept to myself not something to get into a heated debate about.

The one thing that keeps coming up about any attacks tho are that the culprits were on the radar so why were they not stopped and how the police and government etc should not have allowed them .

Sorry but theres no way these attacks can all be stopped even if the government have suspicions about the attackers and even if we had 20000 more police officers.

Theres literally thousands and thousands in britain alone getting monitored and under suspicion. But until they actually commit a crime or there is evidence they are going to then there is nothing that can be done. You cannot watch every single person in the country 24/7 for years because you feel they may commit an attack.

Maybe it would be good to round up everyone on the at risk list and lock them all up. But theres no way that will ever happen as we still live in a country that says you are innocent until proven guilty and take that away and theres nothing left.

Also there is is still other terror threats to this country other than muslim ones. Only last year i was in belfast for the 12th of July with my son when all the hotels were evacuated and the bomb disposal units and police cordoned of all the streets for a couple of hours till a pipe bomb that had been dumped was destroyed in a controlled explosion tho it was later believed to be a hoax bomb but real bombs are still happening there tho nowhere like it used to be. Maybe because things like that still happen occasionally over there it gets no real news coverage. But if it had been a muslim that had left it i can rest assure it would have been headline news.

 

[Playford7]

I repeat just take a look at Tony Robinson free speacth on you tube, He is not a racist creature every body makes him out to be let alone the shit he has hat to Indore

The police and government does not want to let us soscitey know whats going on, No1 as its been mentioned its due to religion and racist yet they let people stand out side temple telling people what and what they cannot do, again look at you tube.

If the true reality come out than people would be WTF its that all about when theses animals get arrested (or when) no media is informed and this is why it all goes noticed, and if you see what I said on you tube than you will know most media is baned from such court case that goes on on a regular basis,

I swear on my budget for spins I could right a book about this crap and it would be only 1 day of my life. I know Muslims I know Hindu and sikh, my mum live in an asian cuminty and not as so much a cuminty no more but there you go. Opposite her is a white women turned Muslim, now we all know what happen to the last white women that turned muslim or should I say white wido if I am alowed, Takes me two secs to sort things out BUT You cannot take all theses people as bad, yet 99% of them know the score

I do not think this is the place to talk about this stuff or we all get banned which in fairness this is a casino place albeit we do get banned for speaking casino but thats the boss's rules, So to cut storys short if any body has a link (and with the boss permission) we move this some where else

I thank you guys as I not the best word & writer but I going to have a beer and let some religon try stooping that one

Spot on, regarding tommy Robinson mate the best video for those to watch, or those that think he's a racist, watch the speech he gave at oxford university. That explains how the edl where born, he didn't create a anti-Muslim machine born out of hate, there was massive reasoning and facts behind his reasoning in doing so.
the man has the balls of a rhino (excuse the pun) and if you can see past the left wing media and social warrior lunacy, you will hear and see cold hard facts. Further more true experience of living amongst Islam in a western country with Christian values.

 

[Playford7]

I watched a documentary on this last night and it seems the terrorist and his father has been on the radar in the past. The father for extremist views in Syria and the terrorist for his repeated trips to fight in Syria. If I recall this is the second time in the last few years that terrorists were on the radar of British intelligence but were allowed to commit gross acts of terrorism. Remember the Drummer Rigby case? His murderers were on the radar. It seems to me that the intelligence services keeps dropping the ball and need to be more proactive in protecting the public from people with extremist views. Chances are that these people could act on these views as history has shown us thus far. I will say that these zealots only represent a small portion of the Muslim community and we must remember that.

P.S. Forgot to add that the one of the big leaders of ISIS is a British citizen and was allowed to travel to Syria in order to join his cronies a few years ago. He should have been in jail.

As said in my post, they or he are known to the security services. We have over 3000 suspected (possible) on the terrorist radar according to mi5 (official report)
Why was this not acted upon, case of Rochdale?... to scared to be labelled racist?. We won't ever really know.
But as a ex SAS veteran said on sky news, if they have such intelligence on these (people) why are they not immediately detained and held until they can confirm they are of no threat?..
the reason why?... PC bullshit. Because they are of the Muslim faith and that's seen as discrimination.
Now i have strong views on this, granted but I'm by no means at all racist. And I don't think every Muslim is evil, but and this is a big but the Islamic world do absolutely nothing to address this, why?.. possibly they all read the same book?.. and it's in the religion itself.
Maybe not, just my opinion.

 

[nojoke]

Was not going to comment on this thread as my opinions on muslims terrorists etc. are better kept to myself not something to get into a heated debate about.

1.The one thing that keeps coming up about any attacks tho are that the culprits were on the radar so why were they not stopped and how the police and government etc should not have allowed them .

2.Sorry but theres no way these attacks can all be stopped even if the government have suspicions about the attackers and even if we had 20000 more police officers.

3.Theres literally thousands and thousands in britain alone getting monitored and under suspicion. But until they actually commit a crime or there is evidence they are going to then there is nothing that can be done. You cannot watch every single person in the country 24/7 for years because you feel they may commit an attack.

4.Maybe it would be good to round up everyone on the at risk list and lock them all up. But theres no way that will ever happen as we still live in a country that says you are innocent until proven guilty and take that away and theres nothing left.

Also there is is still other terror threats to this country other than muslim ones. Only last year i was in belfast for the 12th of July with my son when all the hotels were evacuated and the bomb disposal units and police cordoned of all the streets for a couple of hours till a pipe bomb that had been dumped was destroyed in a controlled explosion. Maybe because things like that still happen occasionally over there it gets no real news coverage. But if it had been a muslim that had left it i can rest assure it would have been headline news.

1. Agenda. Police state. Big Brother. Control with fear.
2. Yes they can, It just takes money. When TSHTF the people pay what ever it takes to stay safe. New Tax "Safe Tax" comming to you soon.
3. You can watch, You can collect as much data as you like and store it on tiny devices. You can monitor landlines, mobiles, broadband etc. There are Snitches and Double agents, The Grapevine. Easy to monitor everyone and for a very long time, It just takes money...See above.
4. That would just make their relatives angry, Oh and cost lots of money that they dont quite have ....Yet.

Maybe.

 

[Playford7]

Interlog

Just would like to add one final thing in this thread.
As spintee said and correctly so, using our right of free speech will possibly end up in a ban for some.
But 'interlog' as many know I've had massive differences with in the past, also bad arguments and confrontation with.
I'd like to say beyond our own opinions on certain issues, that i find that members 'banning' obscene. He contributes, has valid points and is a decent member here.
He spoke how he felt and was discriminated for this as it doesn't conform to what certain people find acceptable.
That's not free speech at all, furthermore if those who done this read this thread in full they will find his points totally valid.

 

[Mouche12]

Mmm, about this Tommy Roberson - quite the colourful, not so innocent lad if you ask me. Just had a quick read and saw that he was the former leader of the right-wing English Defence League. He seems charismatic enough and is quite honest about the bad things he’s done (being a former hooligan, amongst others), but I think he's omitting or downplaying quite a bit.

Remember that the EDL caused a huge amount of aggravation for a lot of people, and too often the mob tipped into nasty and aggressive Islamophobia. Even though he raised that mob, Roberson never really took any responsibility for this. Every time an EDL supporter did something bad, this gentleman passed it off as just a rotten apple. That would also include his own actions. For instance, he and 70 others piled into a lorry with some vague plan to turn up at Abu Hamza’s house or at the homes of three convicted paedophiles, with unclear aims.

I think this looks like dangerous street justice, but it’s conveniently passed off as a mix of anger, frustration, adrenaline, booze and naivety. Yet when a Muslim does something bad it’s not a bad apple: it’s the entire religion and spineless political classes that are to blame.

Not my kind of guy, even though he presents himself nicely - I'm not buying it.

 

[Playford7]

Mmm, about this Tommy Roberson - quite the colourful, not so innocent lad if you ask me. Just had a quick read and saw that he was the former leader of the right-wing English Defence League. He seems charismatic enough and is quite honest about the bad things he’s done (being a former hooligan, amongst others), but I think he's omitting or downplaying quite a bit.

Remember that the EDL caused a huge amount of aggravation for a lot of people, and too often the mob tipped into nasty and aggressive Islamophobia. Even though he raised that mob, Roberson never really took any responsibility for this. Every time an EDL supporter did something bad, this gentleman passed it off as just a rotten apple. That would also include his own actions. For instance, he and 70 others piled into a lorry with some vague plan to turn up at Abu Hamza’s house or at the homes of three convicted paedophiles, with unclear aims.

I think this looks like dangerous street justice, but it’s conveniently passed off as a mix of anger, frustration, adrenaline, booze and naivety. Yet when a Muslim does something bad it’s not a bad apple: it’s the entire religion and spineless political classes that are to blame.

Not my kind of guy, even though he presents himself nicely - I'm not buying it.

Have you watched his speech at oxford university in full. Also the question and answers after it. Granted it's long, but clearly you havnt. You have formed your own narrative upon what you wish and what isn't fact.
As I said in a earlier post, the edl was created due to lack of police action regarding Islam.look into please before posting leftist garbage.
And street justice you say? Where? We live in a democracy in the uk, you have that right to protest in the streets, unless it insights hated.
Well tommy has never ever done this, but we have the Muslim community openly burning poppies, anjam choudrey for years on our streets telling us the uk Is falling, and he openly endorsed Isis allowed to do this?..
I'm sorry, you have no idea what you are talking About. Learn about those that you want to smear before you attempt to bring a valid debate to the table.
The left wing frankly bullshit is boring and has zero, fact!. Logic!. Or substance.

 

[Mouche12]

So, playford - he was not the former leader of EDL and the latter was never involved in aggressive Islamophobia? Is this something I made up or is it fact???

As to Choudary, he has been denounced by mainstream Muslim groups, and has been largely criticised in the media, so what are you getting at?

 

[Playford7]

So, playford - he was not the former leader of EDL and the latter was never involved in aggressive Islamophobia? Is this something I made up or is it fact???

Have you looked into the reasons why the edl was formed. Im quite sure I asked you this before. Islamaphobia is a fear of Islam, and I'm telling you the majority of the uk has that phobia now, whether they have the balls to admit this is another argument all together.
Watch his speech at oxford university please, the finest university in the land. Stop believing all you hear from the bbc, CNN and the like. And come to me with a real argument, you cannot paint a man to be something you wish just because you 'heard it in the media' do your own research and look into, in depth, like I have the reason the edl was formed. As said Again, listen and watch the oxford speech then please come back to me with a credible argument.

 

[Playford7]

So, playford - he was not the former leader of EDL and the latter was never involved in aggressive Islamophobia? Is this something I made up or is it fact???

As to Choudary, he has been denounced by mainstream Muslim groups, and has been largely criticised in the media, so what are you getting at?

Denounced by Muslim groups. Don't make me laugh.
Where are these Muslim groups marching the streets and denouncing what happened in manchester...they are not any.
Fact.
Why!
Well you tell me.

 

[Mouche12]

The average civilised, law-abiding citizen usually does not go out marching in the streets against some extremist Muslim - Choudary has been dealt with and is in prison, fortunately. He is the extreme opposite of the other extreme opposite, Robinson. [edited to add: obviously Choudary is much worse, I think he should be jailed for life].

Give me the link of the lecture cause I can only find his speech on you tube relating to the police raiding his mum's house etc. In any case, we are dealing with extremists here and they never offer any solutions but only wreak havoc on society.

 

[lockinlove]

Just would like to add one final thing in this thread.
As spintee said and correctly so, using our right of free speech will possibly end up in a ban for some.
But 'interlog' as many know I've had massive differences with in the past, also bad arguments and confrontation with.
I'd like to say beyond our own opinions on certain issues, that i find that members 'banning' obscene. He contributes, has valid points and is a decent member here.
He spoke how he felt and was discriminated for this as it doesn't conform to what certain people find acceptable.
That's not free speech at all, furthermore if those who done this read this thread in full they will find his points totally valid.

Its already starting here in Canada

The motion, officially known as M-103, was tabled by Mississauga—Erin Mills Liberal MP Iqra Khalid on Dec. 5, 2016. It aims to condemn and combat Islamophobia, acts of discrimination and hate against Muslims.

What it is:

Requests the Commons heritage committee to study how the government could develop a government-wide approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination, including Islamophobia, and collect data to provide context for hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities. Findings are to be presented within eight months.


Asks the government to recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear.

Calls on the government to condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination.

The conservative party countered with why not make it for all religions which was denied by the liberals who only want this law to include muslims.

You go to most message boards and there is alot of hate that the liberals are doing this well aside from the liberals who are just liberal because. And its one of the many things that will cost them next election as the premiers approval rating is 17% and the prime minister approval ratings went from the 80's to the 40's.

 

[syrus2]

Denounced by Muslim groups. Don't make me laugh.
Where are these Muslim groups marching the streets and denouncing what happened in manchester...they are not any.
Fact.
Why!
Well you tell me.

lay the bitch in its crib an give it a rest for Christ's sake.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[sledge13]

lay the bitch in its crib an give it a rest for Christ's sake.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

That's a photo of sikhs not muslims, Daily Mirror pc agenda twisting the truth, so hey give it a rest for christ's sake.

 

[syrus2]

That's a photo of sikhs not muslims, Daily Mirror pc agenda twisting the truth, so hey give it a rest for christ's sake.

Well, in that case I do'nt have to worry then . cuz I got you down here to tell us the truth !!!

 

[Mouche12]

That's a photo of sikhs not muslims, Daily Mirror pc agenda twisting the truth, so hey give it a rest for christ's sake.

Imam Irfan Chishti was also at this congregation, he represents British Islam and muslims - I think it's you twisting the truth here...

 

[Playford7]

The average civilised, law-abiding citizen usually does not go out marching in the streets against some extremist Muslim - Choudary has been dealt with and is in prison, fortunately. He is the extreme opposite of the other extreme opposite, Robinson. [edited to add: obviously Choudary is much worse, I think he should be jailed for life].

Give me the link of the lecture cause I can only find his speech on you tube relating to the police raiding his mum's house etc. In any case, we are dealing with extremists here and they never offer any solutions but only wreak havoc on society.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[Playford7]

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Sorry for the late response. Hope that link works.
If not google 'tommy Robinson oxford union speech'
Respect to the finest university in the world for giving the man a platform.
And for the record, I have always been anti EDL.
But I believe in anti Islam.

 

[asadzareef89]

This thread sadly has gone down to religion bashing instead of condemnation for a terrible crime committed by a terrorist. Btw people dissing muslims as a whole for the actions 0.0001% of the people using the name of islam exactly gives in to what these few want, divide the communities against each other.

I can guarantee you that all muslims aren't like that so when you say you are anti islam as a whole, you are also condemning the thousands of NHS workers, police officers, army recruits, professors, teachers, social workers, midwives etc serving their communities.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

I would love to know a single person who's been to the hospital and wasn't in some way served by a muslim doctor, nurse, midwife, surgeon etc.

Condemn the act, the person, his beliefs(which differ from most muslims) but dont diss the whole section of society as that only serves to the purpose of these heinous people

 

[lockinlove]

When its a religious act, it goes hand in hand. When someone kills people in the name of allah and their religion what else do you expect for conversation?

Yes. I would say 70% of muslims do not rape, molest and murder like their god calls upon. But how can anyone question others who dont approve or believe in that faith or any faith in that matter?

 

[Playford7]

This thread sadly has gone down to religion bashing instead of condemnation for a terrible crime committed by a terrorist. Btw people dissing muslims as a whole for the actions 0.0001% of the people using the name of islam exactly gives in to what these few want, divide the communities against each other.

I can guarantee you that all muslims aren't like that so when you say you are anti islam as a whole, you are also condemning the thousands of NHS workers, police officers, army recruits, professors, teachers, social workers, midwives etc serving their communities.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

I would love to know a single person who's been to the hospital and wasn't in some way served by a muslim doctor, nurse, midwife, surgeon etc.

Condemn the act, the person, his beliefs(which differ from most muslims) but dont diss the whole section of society as that only serves to the purpose of these heinous people

Ok. Well first off what I should of said is im against the islamification of the uk, I've no issue anyone practising there beliefs, until it encroaches on my life. And that's what Islam is doing in Europe. And absolutely no, of course not all Muslims are bad people, only a fool would believe otherwise.
Also this thread isn't about religion bashing at all, people and children died in the name of Islam, after we have shared our prayers and thoughts with those who sadly lost there lives we look to the reason why it happened and the cause. The cause was anti west rhetoric and in total essence Islam.
And yes we have Muslim professionals, only the other day I visited a Muslim GP. That's lovely and I've no problem, but you see in the uk, the unemployment level of Muslim women is encroaching over 60% and over 40% in males, in government figures that's a drain of over 8 billion in taxable British earnings.
And most Muslims absolutely will condem extremists acts as any dignified human being would also. But you see in nazi germany in world war 2 it only took a small percentage of people with radical beliefs to lead the the deaths of millions world wide.
Extremism isn't something the western world can solve, it's a problem within Islam and its communities.
Until those communities address this on a national scale and accept the way your doing things are not working, then sadly it's only a matter of time until another thread like this appears.