Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

Yes..maybe i'm just not suited and searching for answers, where you never find one.
Well, i will stop. I had some good times, but maybe its better to stop
 
Well, i must correct myself.
Evolution Games arr fixed.
Its not my fault. Play further after a withdrawal and you will see what i mean.
Evolution Gaming is rigged! Point!
 
Translated - I lost therefore they are Rigged !

Oh, they're rigged. Go ahead and give them a try. What have you got to lose if you're absolutely certain that they play fair?

Not everyone complains in an equally eloquent manner, but in this case, there's truth behind the rants.
 
Translated - I lost therefore they are Rigged !

False.
If i had lost to 100%, than i would not write, that you should try to play and win further after a withdrawal.
And its just impossible, i tried it more than often. Of course i know you cant always win, but that seems to doesnt matter. I made breaks like hours and even days but nothing helped, there was no longer a constant win possible - not even € by €
 
i lost 200€uros today Evolution is such a rigged scam. i makes me sick to see how obviously
they can cheat the players and still hundreds of players are there to play this c***
and what i really hate is that 32red and other make a lot hook to play this shit.
 
They are using betreading systems on every table, to kill the most playable strategys. You should never play more than 5 Spins on the same table there, if you dont change your bets.
There is one thing clear like water, Evolution Gaming got systems to change the way of the ball.
 
Yes and the croupiers are all actors, all in on it. One thing i can say though, is i do kind of trust playtech. Anyone think playtech are upto the same stuff? On playtech roulette, ive studied many of their tables for years now and although ive had repeatedly lost spins (say 5 to 10 spins) on a 50/50 bet, i still can’t say its rigged. Comparing evolution to playtech, you can clearly see a difference in ball behaviour.
 
i just played a few rounds at "Pokerstars exclusive" 0,25 cent dollar table. you can clearly see how a magnet is implementet. the ball switch around the bowl pretty obvious :rolleyes::eek:
 
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Hi guys,
I think it's interesting for you to read this article on Evolution Gaming Roulette Live Dealer.


Cheers,
DD.

If you have findings of some kind or another, please start a new thread and discus this. Please don't merely post links or copy and paste info from another site. The owner of that site would not want me to do that over there; don't do it here. Thank you.
 
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FYI:

Looks like nothing's changed at Evo's live roulette.
Took a break of about six months and had another few spins this week. "Something" will always happen to prevent that ball from landing on your numbers. It will always manage to jump out of all your winning areas and magically find the only uncovered number. It's literally happening as I type this.

100% rigged. Avoid.
 
Of course nothing is changing. They need to hold their profit.
I just can give u the advice to go for the cards because its impossible to manipulate them live without showing it. I played baccarat, startend with 100 and had a 2000€ withdrawal at the end. Serio, avoid Online Roulette forever! Because its the easiest game to manipulate. And this is no "i'm mad because i lost l" bullshit.
 
Of course nothing is changing. They need to hold their profit.
I just can give u the advice to go for the cards because its impossible to manipulate them live without showing it. I played baccarat, startend with 100 and had a 2000€ withdrawal at the end. Serio, avoid Online Roulette forever! Because its the easiest game to manipulate. And this is no "i'm mad because i lost l" bullshit.

They'll probably find a way to rig the cards too at some point.
Enjoy it while you can!
 
It's baffling that nobody is willing to lift a finger against these frauds.

This is a massive scam. It will come out sooner or later. But it just seems to get swept under the rug. Why? Clash of interests? Fear?
 
I play at a b+m casino every week but I have never played live casino online.It did get me thinking the other day though where are the live online casinos ( the actual building I mean) because I don't know of any in the uk.Which makes you wonder why considering that's where William Hill etc have their betting shops.This makes me think they have them abroad so they can exploit loop holes in tax and maybe other things.I could be talking rubbish here perhaps you "live casino" players can enlighten me.
 
Used to think table games were a dead cert for fairness and transparency, but it seems where there's money, scamming inevitably follows.

Magnetic balls, card- shunting, voided malfunctioning bets, where does it all end haha :cool:
 
If anyone is interested in the facts surrounding the integrity and annual testing of staff and equipment that live dealer studios have to undertake (in addition to the standard game tests), please refer to the 'Compliance Procedures: Live Dealer Inspections' required by the IoM Gambling Supervision Commission found
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. (These are a lot more rigorous than standards elsewhere, but should demonstrate that every aspect of operation are regulated. (E.g. staff tests and rotas, stocks and use of card decks, security devices on card shoes. Key point in relation to this thread is covered in Section 4))...

"Technical Tests – these relate to the hardware (roulette wheels, card shoes, tables, etc) and consumables (cards, dice, etc) used by the live dealing facility.

They must include checks on the randomness of any equipment or procedures (including commentary on the uniformity and independence of game elements) to ensure their fairness and integrity. Payout ratios must be checked and equipment inspected to ensure that it is free from defects or mechanisms that could interfere with fairplay."

UK standards can also be found (on p32)
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I appreciate this may spoil a lot of the conspiracy theories being bandied about in this thread, so what am I thinking? Sorry, please carry on :rolleyes:
 
I appreciate this may spoil a lot of the conspiracy theories being bandied about in this thread, so what am I thinking? Sorry, please carry on :rolleyes:

And yet Evo's support literally told me yesterday that they don't have the wheel inspected at all.

Go ahead and give them a spin if you're so sure they play fair. You won't be the first, nor the last to have to swallow your words.

Or have a look at the videos and the statistics. This company is thoroughly corrupt.
 
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I play at a b+m casino every week but I have never played live casino online.It did get me thinking the other day though where are the live online casinos ( the actual building I mean) because I don't know of any in the uk.Which makes you wonder why considering that's where William Hill etc have their betting shops.This makes me think they have them abroad so they can exploit loop holes in tax and maybe other things.I could be talking rubbish here perhaps you "live casino" players can enlighten me.

I believe it's a combination of factors. They managed to have their studio listed as a "video recording facility", which means they're exempt from inspections.
And running things from/through maffia-ridden crime holes like Latvia and Malta definitely helps.
 
Anyone willing to try this?
  1. Go to Evolution Live Roulette.
  2. Bet on ALL numbers higher than 12 (put an equal amount of chips on 2nd12 and on 3rd12). This means you theoretically stand a 66% chance of winning.
  3. Repeat for ten rounds.
  4. Report how many of these rounds resulted in a win.

As an experiment, I've tried this bet 154 times. I won 14 times.
Do the math. This is impossible.

And that was just the beginning. I've tried countless strategies, just to gather evidence.

For seven rounds in a row, I've chipped the entire board, except for five specific numbers.
All seven rounds, the ball landed on one of those five numbers.

I could repeat everything I've already shown and told about earlier in this thread, but I'll stop myself here. Just read and check out the videos.
 
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ROFLMAO

Just a minute ago, I dropped by Evo's live table because I had a few euros left on my account and I was feeling... well... cynical.

As a pisstake, I put my chips on 1-36. That's right... on EVERY number except zero.

The ball spins... lands on 22... then climbs out of 22 and bizarrely picks up speed... lands on 32... sits still for half a second... then crawls BACKWARDS one spot... lands on zero.

I wasn't even surprised. Just burst out laughing. What can you do, eh?
 
I play at a b+m casino every week but I have never played live casino online.It did get me thinking the other day though where are the live online casinos ( the actual building I mean) because I don't know of any in the uk.Which makes you wonder why considering that's where William Hill etc have their betting shops.This makes me think they have them abroad so they can exploit loop holes in tax and maybe other things.I could be talking rubbish here perhaps you "live casino" players can enlighten me.

Extreme Live Gaming has their Studio in Brentford, West London. They occupy a floor in the Novomatic Building and have another floor ready to expand into.

While William Hill have a high street presence in the Uk, they are in fact an Israeli owned company. They have high street presences in lots of countries, including some of the US states. They take their Live Casino games from Playtech and Evolution. Their dedicated studio is located in Evolutions premises in Riga Latvia, as are the games from Playtech (which play a very small part on thier site).

Tax, running costs and Licensing for particular country markets are responsible for the location of studios. We are seeing more studios being built in Eastern Europe, as well as Columbia, Cambodia, Philippines and Costa Rica. Netent, Evolution, Portomaso and MediaLive have studios in Malta and Gibraltar.

Certainly any Supplier that targets UK players and has a recognized license from the UKGC must conform to the licensing standards, which includes Audits and inspections.
 
Anyone willing to try this?
  1. Go to Evolution Live Roulette.
  2. Bet on ALL numbers higher than 12 (put an equal amount of chips on 2nd12 and on 3rd12). This means you theoretically stand a 66% chance of winning.
  3. Repeat for ten rounds.
  4. Report how many of these rounds resulted in a win.

As an experiment, I've tried this bet 154 times. I won 14 times.
Do the math. This is impossible.

And that was just the beginning. I've tried countless strategies, just to gather evidence.

For seven rounds in a row, I've chipped the entire board, except for five specific numbers.
All seven rounds, the ball landed on one of those five numbers.

I could repeat everything I've already shown and told about earlier in this thread, but I'll stop myself here. Just read and check out the videos.

Do the math? hmmm ok i will bite as no one else has, you dont theoretically stand a 66% chance of winning its only 64.86% only a small difference i know but if your going to quote math....

14 out of 154 times yes extremely unlikely but not impossible.

Chipped the entire board except 5 numbers..... erm why?

Just for fun i played the live roulette on pokerstars this morning and won 10 out of 12 rounds betting on 13-36 so won higher than expected, was only playing low bets but cashed out some but lets face it betting on 24 numbers is never going to pay well only one number can win so your guaranteeing losing 23 bets each spin.

Yes i know the house edge is the same, but your changing the volatility that way.

However I am on your side that there has been some very questionable videos of roulette spins, on that system but if you feel its iffy dont play there.

You say you have used countless strategies, have none ever worked?

Roulette is IMO a game of patience but you do need a bit of Luck, and a lot of bankroll management, discipline, a betting system to have any chance to make money.

Land based casinos are still the best in UK as with the even bets only losing half on "0" you can get the house edge down to a very respectable 1.35%

Would love to know what sort of start balance you commit and what your target is before you stop? just for curiosity really.
 
While William Hill have a high street presence in the Uk, they are in fact an Israeli owned company.
William Hill is a plc (public limited company) traded on the London Stock Exchange, major shareholders are Capital Group Companies Inc, Schroders plc, BlackRock Inc, Silchester International Investors LLP and Parvus Asset Management Europe Limited.
 
Do the math? hmmm ok i will bite as no one else has, you dont theoretically stand a 66% chance of winning its only 64.86% only a small difference i know but if your going to quote math....

14 out of 154 times yes extremely unlikely but not impossible.

Chipped the entire board except 5 numbers..... erm why?

Like I said, as an experiment in order to gather evidence. I've long given up on winning anything at Evo's roulette, so I spent months proving that they are a fraud.

The more numbers you chip on an Evolution board, the crazier the ball's movements will get in order to avoid landing on your winning numbers. It will literally hop like a flea from neighbour to neighbour to neighbour until it reaches the very nearest losing number. Spin after spin after spin, the exact same phenomenon.
It will come to full rest on a winning number... only to jump out again and pick up speed until it finds the nearest losing one. They don't even bother being inconspicuous about it... always EXACTLY on the nearest losing number.

Around the time when I first noticed this, I placed the following bet for three rounds in a row:
TIER (except for 5) + ORPHELINS + ZERO AREA

Each of these three spins, it first landed on a winning number, but then jumped out and started hopping across the wheel one slot at a time until it found number 5.
 
An oldie:


Any explanation as to what happens around 0:30 when the ball clearly settles on 0... but then...?

Keep an eye on which are the winning numbers. Evolution plays a game of "the floor is lava" with those.
 
An oldie:


Any explanation as to what happens around 0:30 when the ball clearly settles on 0... but then...?

Keep an eye on which are the winning numbers. Evolution plays a game of "the floor is lava" with those.

That was 'quite the leap' from 0 there :eek2:

Maybe they have mini springs on their numbers?
 
That was 'quite the leap' from 0 there :eek2:

Maybe they have mini springs on their numbers?

That's pretty much literally what it looks like.
The ball gets these really abrupt jolts when it looks like it's comfortably settled already. Evolution Pinball anyone?

They also appear capable of stopping the ball dead when necessary. I noticed that when I only left a few numbers unchipped. The ball would be spinning at regular speed, then suddenly get "sucked" into the losing number's slot. I know a ball can make all sorts of interesting twists and turns, but this was completely unnatural. :what:

And it's not like this is a freak occurrence either. This easily happens 20 spins in a row.
 
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That's pretty much literally what it looks like.
The ball gets these really abrupt jolts when it looks like it's comfortably settled already. Evolution Pinball anyone?

They also appear capable of stopping the ball dead when necessary. I noticed that when I only left a few numbers unchipped. The ball would be spinning at regular speed, then suddenly get "sucked" into the losing number's slot. I know a ball can make all sorts of interesting twists and turns, but this was completely unnatural. :what:

And it's not like this is a freak occurrence either. This easily happens 20 spins in a row.
Evolution's latest Roulette line

 
That's pretty much literally what it looks like.
The ball gets these really abrupt jolts when it looks like it's comfortably settled already. Evolution Pinball anyone?

They also appear capable of stopping the ball dead when necessary. I noticed that when I only left a few numbers unchipped. The ball would be spinning at regular speed, then suddenly get "sucked" into the losing number's slot. I know a ball can make all sorts of interesting twists and turns, but this was completely unnatural. :what:

And it's not like this is a freak occurrence either. This easily happens 20 spins in a row.

Like I said before some ball movements do look extremely dodgy, but your implying that they are missing you personally on purpose, and in multiple spins in a row but realistically its highly unlikely that everyone is leaving the same numbers as you off consistently, which would mean someone will be winning. So unless your are the person betting much higher than everyone else, its more likely to cost them more avoiding your numbers than everyone else's?

Also if they were some how cheating you im sure they would do it less aggressive, eg after maybe after some losses let you win one but not enough to recover to keep you chasing?

I used to feel the exact same thing about "supercasino" LIVE roulette eg the one on the TV ( channel 5 ) it just felt like they were purposely avoiding my numbers ( i do the same ones all the time with rare extra ones ) and the more i chased the more longer periods of misses i would endure. But recently I have changed several things and things have been going better but this might just be short lived, sure i will find out soon enough! I have been tracking more data on my sessions.

I have my own roulette wheel and i must admit i have tried covering like 30 numbers loads of times and its scary just how many times it finds one of the only 7 numbers not covered, in fact enough to feel its rigged even tho the wheel was balanced and i was spinning the ball myself !! So maybe we are just all tin foil hatters :)
 
Like I said before some ball movements do look extremely dodgy, but your implying that they are missing you personally on purpose, and in multiple spins in a row but realistically its highly unlikely that everyone is leaving the same numbers as you off consistently, which would mean someone will be winning. So unless your are the person betting much higher than everyone else, its more likely to cost them more avoiding your numbers than everyone else's?

Yeah, I've got that question a few times already.

I think I occasionally can get a win if other players are already occupying most of the numbers that I had left unchipped. The software then settles for the lesser evil.

EXAMPLE:
I bet a modest amount on 1-24.
The other people bet big on 25-36.
So this round will probably end in my favour.

This could explain the fact that I lose even more if I play at night.
That's when there are less players online, so there are more unchipped numbers available to pick from, so less scraps for me...

Also if they were some how cheating you im sure they would do it less aggressive, eg after maybe after some losses let you win one but not enough to recover to keep you chasing?

I have wondered why they'd be so obvious and aggressive about it, yeah.
Maybe it's because I won a few thousands when I started out. Maybe Evolution keeps track of that and automatically flags me in their database, and then the gloves come off... and there's no more winning for me until they get all of their money back.

I used to feel the exact same thing about "supercasino" LIVE roulette eg the one on the TV ( channel 5 ) it just felt like they were purposely avoiding my numbers ( i do the same ones all the time with rare extra ones ) and the more i chased the more longer periods of misses i would endure. But recently I have changed several things and things have been going better but this might just be short lived, sure i will find out soon enough! I have been tracking more data on my sessions.

I have my own roulette wheel and i must admit i have tried covering like 30 numbers loads of times and its scary just how many times it finds one of the only 7 numbers not covered, in fact enough to feel its rigged even tho the wheel was balanced and i was spinning the ball myself !! So maybe we are just all tin foil hatters :)

I'm far from a tin foil hatter, but I'm not naive either.
If there's a way to cheat people out of money and get away with it, most companies will exploit it. :(

Of course, even the most outrageous, statistically insane scenario can still be a mathematical possibility. So Evolution can continue hiding behind that... even if the ball falls on zero 30 times in a row.
 
I can't imagine anyone would have so much perseverance over this many pages if there wasn't an element of truth to this.

Seems even when exposed, some companies will happily continue trading, seems like they can circumvent detection :eek2:

I know if I were to dabble in online Roulette, Devolution would not be my first port of call :laugh:
 
Playing right now...

It's the usual tricks. The chat is absolutely filled to the brim with people swearing, cursing, calling them cheats.

But nobody will lift a finger against Evolution.
 
43 spins in a row......... FORTY THREE spins in a row......... each and every single one of them, the ball swings wildly away from winning numbers and settles on the nearest losing number.

The jumps are absolutely beyond insane right now. The ball will sit perfectly still on a number for a solid second... then take a crazy rodeo style leap... and another... and another... until it lands EXACTLY outside the field of numbers that I have chipped.
And always by just ONE slot's difference. They might as well be pointing and laughing at you from across the table.

Also take note that these crazy jumps absolutely NEVER fall in my favour. Not a single time in the entire history of Evo roulette.

Everybody else is losing too.. cursing.. calling them out for the cheats that they are. There are no winners except for the usual fake user accounts. And Evolution Gaming itself of course.

What more will it take before this so-called community of player arbitration does anything?
Everyone seems very content to just sweep it under the rug and let this scam continue. Should be ashamed.
 
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43 spins in a row......... FORTY THREE spins in a row......... each and every single one of them, the ball swings wildly away from winning numbers and settles on the nearest losing number.

The jumps are absolutely beyond insane right now. The ball will sit perfectly still on a number for a solid second... then take a crazy rodeo style leap... and another... and another... until it lands EXACTLY outside the field of numbers that I have chipped.
And always by just ONE slot's difference. They might as well be pointing and laughing at you from across the table.

Also take note that these crazy jumps absolutely NEVER fall in my favour. Not a single time in the entire history of Evo roulette.

Everybody else is losing too.. cursing.. calling them out for the cheats that they are. There are no winners except for the usual fake user accounts. And Evolution Gaming itself of course.

What more will it take before this so-called community of player arbitration does anything?
Everyone seems very content to just sweep it under the rug and let this scam continue. Should be ashamed.

Stop playing there for sure - if you are right or even convinced its a scam you are throwing good money away.
 
Right, which way to Evolution HQ :mad:

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43 spins in a row......... FORTY THREE spins in a row......... each and every single one of them, the ball swings wildly away from winning numbers and settles on the nearest losing number.

The jumps are absolutely beyond insane right now. The ball will sit perfectly still on a number for a solid second... then take a crazy rodeo style leap... and another... and another... until it lands EXACTLY outside the field of numbers that I have chipped.

i had the same experience last night and same thoughts. currently its very obvious
and the ladys make a grimace into the camera. they absolutely know what is going on
 
No problem. For me, it's more of an experiment than anything.

I just want something to be DONE about Evo. I'd like to see some degree of justice.

In the UK if you think there has been a fraud or a crime you can report it to the Police and they will investigate.

Due to the jurisdiction of the Studio and the licenses Evolution hold I guess you could go to the Authorities in Riga or perhaps raise a complaint with the UK Gambling Commission or both.

If the Roulette you're playing is being streamed from the studio in Malta you could probably raise a complaint with the Maltese authorities and Malta Gaming Authority.

You'll need to provide evidence of course to substantiate the claims and have enough so it's compelling for the authorities to investigate further. I can't help with what that evidence should be, the authorities should be able to help you with that.
 
i had the same experience last night and same thoughts. currently its very obvious
and the ladys make a grimace into the camera. they absolutely know what is going on

I doubt the dealers are involved, to be honest.
That would be way too risky. What happens when those lovely ladies move on from Evo?

I'm pretty sure that whatever is happening is built into the software and hardware of the roulette tables.
It all happens automatically. When the ball lands on an unprofitable number, the system will keep zapping the ball until it lands somewhere safe instead. Much better for Evo that way. The fewer people know, the better.
 
In the UK if you think there has been a fraud or a crime you can report it to the Police and they will investigate.

Due to the jurisdiction of the Studio and the licenses Evolution hold I guess you could go to the Authorities in Riga or perhaps raise a complaint with the UK Gambling Commission or both.

If the Roulette you're playing is being streamed from the studio in Malta you could probably raise a complaint with the Maltese authorities and Malta Gaming Authority.

You'll need to provide evidence of course to substantiate the claims and have enough so it's compelling for the authorities to investigate further. I can't help with what that evidence should be, the authorities should be able to help you with that.

From what I've experienced so far, these authorities will just sit with their arms crossed and basically say that any result is plausible in a game of chance.
They're useless and complicit.

And not sure if I want to be known by something called the Malta Gaming Authority. That whole place is 100% under maffia control.
Journalists who get a little too curious get car bombed. I'll pass...

Pretty sure these authorities are scared of them too. Can't blame them.
 
Thing is, what can be done, other than to spread the word....

Is their software that loved on CM? Never heard of them before, but licensing or not I think I'll take a strategic swerve from their erm, 'portfolio' :cool:

Not sure it's loved on CM or for that matter Live Casino in general.

Evolution are the No.1 Supplier of Live casino games in Europe certainly. They have the largest number of tables and the widest selection of games.

There are other very good alternatives, especially for Roulette players, with games streamed from land based casinos becoming more popular. However there are as many Youtube videos of people claiming those tables are rigged to.

I have to wonder, if there is so much concern about roulette being fixed why anyone would ever consider playing it. My bad I guess.
 
Hmmm, where's it been proven? All I've seen so far is acquisitions.

That's kinda the problem here.
When is it proven?
Answer: when Evolution admit it by themselves for some bizarre reason, or when somebody breaks into their studio and cracks open the wheel and finds all sorts of hidden gear that shouldn't be there.

Neither of those things are going to happen.
So what's left?
Gather video evidence of strange occurrences during play? Done that. Scared a bunch of (potential) players here. But it'll never be enough to goad the authorities in action. They'll always claim it's just another funny coincidence.

Got any other suggestions?
 

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