Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[alexking12k]

Hang on.... you're saying that you have the camera on that you keep winning? Why not have it on permanently - you be super rich in no time!

My thoughts exactly!

 

[kelapa]

I must say, I think I understand why you keep playing there. That girl looks mighty fine!

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.

 

[kelapa]

Oh, man!! Why didn't you cash out at some point before hitting the 5,000 in winnings?

In his case, I too would definitely have cashed out at least 4500 and used the remaining 500 for roulette.
But on the other hand, who expects to be cheated?

 

[alexking12k]

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.[/QUOTE

I hear you, man! And I'm not disputing your claims. If they are able to hook a roulette table to a computer, like they do at a land based casino, I can only imagine what kind of stuff they can pull when everything is done online and in a virtual room. Heck, who's to say that the whole thing is not just computer generated images? I've seen weirder things!

 

[alexking12k]

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.

I hear you, man! And I'm not disputing your claims. If they are able to hook a roulette table to a computer, like they do at a land based casino, I can only imagine what kind of stuff they can pull when everything is done online and in a virtual room. Heck, who's to say that the whole thing is not just computer generated images? I've seen weirder things!

 

[alexking12k]

In his case, I too would definitely have cashed out at least 4500 and used the remaining 500 for roulette.
But on the other hand, who expects to be cheated?

I've been through similar situations myself and it's probably the worst feeling in the world! The worst thing that's happened to me was, I deposited about $300, worked it up to about $50,000 in abt. 10 days, cashed out $7,500 and lost the rest in 2 sessions over less than 24 hours. The good thing is, this experience effectively killed my addiction and I've been gambling free for over 1.5 years now. As much as it sucked losing all that money, I think I'm kinda happy that I did because it seems to have flipped some switch in my brain and set me straight. I've never gone on for so long without gambling. My previous record was 5 months once and about 5 weeks on a few occasions.

 

[kelapa]

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.

I hear you, man! And I'm not disputing your claims. If they are able to hook a roulette table to a computer, like they do at a land based casino, I can only imagine what kind of stuff they can pull when everything is done online and in a virtual room. Heck, who's to say that the whole thing is not just computer generated images? I've seen weirder things!

Part of the images are computer generated. Probably not the wheel though.
And who knows what goes on underneath the wheel? You can speculate about the specific ways to jerk the ball around, but fact is that there are ways.

Evolution would probably still make profit without it. But why not do it? They can always shrug and hide behind the fact that even the most ridiculously rigged-looking outcome could theoretically still happen. Ten 5's in a row? "Sure." Twenty reds? "Why not." Twenty reds EXACTLY at the only ever time I place twenty bets on black? "Gosh, how unlucky, but hey the 0.000000000000000002% odds of that happening are still odds."

Their only defence is the licenses that they keep waving in your face.
So I'm busy contacting eCOGRA right now. I'd like to know what they actually inspect.

 

[kelapa]

I've been through similar situations myself and it's probably the worst feeling in the world! The worst thing that's happened to me was, I deposited about $300, worked it up to about $50,000 in abt. 10 days, cashed out $7,500 and lost the rest in 2 sessions over less than 24 hours. The good thing is, this experience effectively killed my addiction and I've been gambling free for over 1.5 years now. As much as it sucked losing all that money, I think I'm kinda happy that I did because it seems to have flipped some switch in my brain and set me straight. I've never gone on for so long without gambling. My previous record was 5 months once and about 5 weeks on a few occasions.

Oh my god. That is a horror story.

Do you remember at what table you lost that money?
Or what company it was?

 

[alexking12k]

Oh my god. That is a horror story.

Do you remember at what table you lost that money?
Or what company it was?

Sure, I played at 5dimes at their Grand casino (not the live dealer one). I remember, I put about $935 on 19 and hit it and I nearly jumped through the ceiling! At that time my balance was about $32,000+. Over next 10 days or so I was at $42,500+ with a $7,500 payout in the mail and then it all went to hell! LOL!

 

[kelapa]

Sure, I played at 5dimes at their Grand casino (not the live dealer one). I remember, I put about $935 on 19 and hit it and I nearly jumped through the ceiling! At that time my balance was about $32,000+. Over next 10 days or so I was at $42,500+ with a $7,500 payout in the mail and then it all went to hell! LOL!

Holy crap. Did you put your full bet on 19 that round? Or did you have a few other areas covered too?

I hate gambling. I don't play if the odds are less than 50/50. I have never in my life bet on a single number. In fact, I've never ever placed more than € 50 on the table in one round, and even that amount I have only placed one time (lost at Evolution, of course).

But yeah, I might as well have been betting on one number only this whole time. Chances to win a round are nihil anyway!

And btw, I hope you kept the 7500 at least...

 

[alexking12k]

Holy crap. Did you put your full bet on 19 that round? Or did you have a few other areas covered too?

I hate gambling. I don't play if the odds are less than 50/50. I have never in my life bet on a single number. In fact, I've never ever placed more than € 50 on the table in one round, and even that amount I have only placed one time (lost at Evolution, of course).

But yeah, I might as well have been betting on one number only this whole time. Chances to win a round are nihil anyway!

And btw, I hope you kept the 7500 at least...

I had been playing all day, on and off, by that point. I was in a state of trance and I bet the $935 on one number (19) only. I know, the odds were as low as it could get but I guess that the stars aligned just right at that moment. During my gambling "career" I knew that I was sick and addicted but, fortunately, I was able to control myself just enough to avoid losing to the point that I got into debt. This is not to say that I didn't lose some serious money (abt. $75,000 over about 6 years). When I became seriously addicted, I lost about $30,000 in two weeks. Fortunately for me, the online casinos started having serious problems with Credit Card deposits at that time and I wasn't able to deposit so much and over time I was able to slow down and lose about $1,000 per month, on average.
Of the $7,500, I lost about $1,000 over the next 1.5 years and most of that was on sports. Roulette was about $300-400 of that. To be honest, I'm not even mad at myself for losing all that money. I understand that gambling is a serious sickness and we don't really have 100% control of our minds when we are addicted to it. I'm just glad that I was able to kick the darn habit, lol!

 

[kelapa]

I had been playing all day, on and off, by that point. I was in a state of trance and I bet the $935 on one number (19) only. I know, the odds were as low as it could get but I guess that the stars aligned just right at that moment. During my gambling "career" I knew that I was sick and addicted but, fortunately, I was able to control myself just enough to avoid losing to the point that I got into debt. This is not to say that I didn't lose some serious money (abt. $75,000 over about 6 years). When I became seriously addicted, I lost about $30,000 in two weeks. Fortunately for me, the online casinos started having serious problems with Credit Card deposits at that time and I wasn't able to deposit so much and over time I was able to slow down and lose about $1,000 per month, on average.
Of the $7,500, I lost about $1,000 over the next 1.5 years and most of that was on sports. Roulette was about $300-400 of that. To be honest, I'm not even mad at myself for losing all that money. I understand that gambling is a serious sickness and we don't really have 100% control of our minds when we are addicted to it. I'm just glad that I was able to kick the darn habit, lol!

That's some scary stuff. I do understand the addiction thing.

Myself, I just kept on trying way too long, because I refused to believe it was rigged. I've lost a few thousands in total because of it. Could've been worse still, but I feel pretty awful.

All I want now is to see this thing seriously investigated. And my money back, haha. But I'm not optimistic about either.

 

[interlog]

I don't understand the maths of roulette properly to make an informed decision on the odds of what keeps happening.

But, and that is what I don't understand, if the OP has found a sure way of winning (with the camera on) then why shout it out and not take advantage of it. Keep that wheel spinning and get the riches.

 

[neilw]

So I'm busy contacting eCOGRA right now. I'd like to know what they actually inspect.

I'm not sure Evolution Gaming use eCOGRA, they don't list them on their website and eCOGRA don't have them listed as a supplier.

If they did, then Evolution would need to adhere to section 10 of

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According to eCOGRA, they would audit against the standard once a year.

Each of the licensing jurisdictions Evolution is registered with will have something similar and will also perform Audits on regular basis.

I don't know whether eCOGRA will help you if Evolution are not one of their customers, but I guess it's worth trying.

I visited two of Evolution's largest studios, Riga and Malta and I've also spoken with their Head of Game Risk and Integrity about the controls they have in place for monitoring the games. I've been impressed with what I've seen and would find it difficult to believe that there was systematic cheating going on right across the organisation.

I can't dispute the results you've had, but that's not enough to call out a cheat, you'll need to provide firm physical evidence if you hope to get any where.

My advice, leave Evo Roulette and probably all gambling alone, at least for a while.

The RTP for roulette is 97.3%, so it's already written in the stars you will lose over the long term.

 

[kelapa]

I don't understand the maths of roulette properly to make an informed decision on the odds of what keeps happening.

But, and that is what I don't understand, if the OP has found a sure way of winning (with the camera on) then why shout it out and not take advantage of it. Keep that wheel spinning and get the riches.

Heh, if only. With the camera on, I got normal results: a bunch of wins, a few losses.
The second I switched it off, there were only losses, no matter how many rounds I persisted.
I'm still weirded out by it.

 

[kelapa]

I'm not sure Evolution Gaming use eCOGRA, they don't list them on their website and eCOGRA don't have them listed as a supplier.

If they did, then Evolution would need to adhere to section 10 of

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According to eCOGRA, they would audit against the standard once a year.

Each of the licensing jurisdictions Evolution is registered with will have something similar and will also perform Audits on regular basis.

I don't know whether eCOGRA will help you if Evolution are not one of their customers, but I guess it's worth trying.

You're right: Evolution aren't licensed by eCOGRA. Looks like the Unibet representative misinformed me.

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I have to harass Alderney or MGA about it instead.

I visited two of Evolution's largest studios, Riga and Malta and I've also spoken with their Head of Game Risk and Integrity about the controls they have in place for monitoring the games. I've been impressed with what I've seen and would find it difficult to believe that there was systematic cheating going on right across the organisation.

I can't dispute the results you've had, but that's not enough to call out a cheat, you'll need to provide firm physical evidence if you hope to get any where.

My advice, leave Evo Roulette and probably all gambling alone, at least for a while.

The RTP for roulette is 97.3%, so it's already written in the stars you will lose over the long term.

I know about the RTP, but that doesn't really explain this. The RTP, if I recall correctly, is an average based on a longer period of time, with wins and losses, ups and downs.
I only get downs. Even if I bombard the table with chips and cover 30 of the 37 numbers, I can never win. That is a fact. I can 100% guarantee you that if I go to their table right now and place a bet with 90% win chance, I will absolutely lose.

Physical evidence...
Of course Evolution are aware that I am over here and they are at a safe distance in Malta/Latvia/wherever, so they know I can never get my hands on any physical evidence. Short of taking a plane and breaking into their studio, I don't see anything I can do about that.

So what to do?

 

[alexking12k]

You're right: Evolution aren't licensed by eCOGRA. Looks like the Unibet representative misinformed me.

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I have to harass Alderney or MGA about it instead.



I know about the RTP, but that doesn't really explain this. The RTP, if I recall correctly, is an average based on a longer period of time, with wins and losses, ups and downs.
I only get downs. Even if I bombard the table with chips and cover 30 of the 37 numbers, I can never win. That is a fact. I can 100% guarantee you that if I go to their table right now and place a bet with 90% win chance, I will absolutely lose.

Physical evidence...
Of course Evolution are aware that I am over here and they are at a safe distance in Malta/Latvia/wherever, so they know I can never get my hands on any physical evidence. Short of taking a plane and breaking into their studio, I don't see anything I can do about that.

So what to do?

My advice would be to try a different casino. 5dimes has the Live Casino option too. A couple of years ago, I played there periodically and would cover 34 out of the 37 numbers ($10 on each number). I played this way a bunch of times and the ball landed on the uncovered numbers only twice out of about 30-40 spins. The shitty thing is when it does land on one of those because you lose everything that you put on the table in that one round.

 

[kelapa]

My advice would be to try a different casino. 5dimes has the Live Casino option too. A couple of years ago, I played there periodically and would cover 34 out of the 37 numbers ($10 on each number). I played this way a bunch of times and the ball landed on the uncovered numbers only twice out of about 30-40 spins. The shitty thing is when it does land on one of those because you lose everything that you put on the table in that one round.

Yeah, I know. I mostly used that "strategy" to prove that the Evolution table is a scam.

What I normally do is put €0.5 on about 18 numbers and €1 on 6 other numbers. That usually works fine.
Chance to win: 65%.
If I win, I win either €3 or €21.
If I lose, I lose €15.

Add to that the fact that I keep an eye on patterns. Some dealers throw with a very steady hand (I guess they're bored and going through the job mechanically) and the ball then often ends up in somewhat predictable places (for example: fourteen spots further up the wheel with every spin).
That's why, with the right dealer, I often put a few extra chips around 20 after they just spun a number around the 0. Works.

But now it really feels as if Evolution have built in a safeguard on their end, to sabotage this type of "safe" bet.
I really noticed a radical change in results around April of this year. As if they had updated the firmware of the wheel.

Anyway, I'd be happy to try a different casino (maybe later, when I don't feel as creeped out). But I'm not so much interested in gambling right now as I am in getting answers from Evolution. I really do want justice of some kind.

 

[kelapa]

Go on, have a look:

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Absolutely everyone in the chat is complaining. Nobody is winning. Everyone is calling it a scam. The ball just endlessly hits whatever areas are not being chipped... until people get sick of it and move their chips, which is of course when the ball starts avoiding that area instead.

The only big winners are a bunch of users who never say a single word. They don't respond to questions either. It's often speculated that these are bot accounts, to make it look as if people are earning thousands every spin.

Fun times.

 

[kelapa]

I just tried out two of the other Evolution roulette tables (the "Unibet" table and the "Immersive" table).
These two also are exactly the same.

The Immersive is especially evil.
I had five spins there, chipping absolutely EVERY NUMBER except 23 17 34 35 and 0.
Each spin landed on one of those five numbers.

 

[ed skull murphy]

I just tried out two of the other Evolution roulette tables (the "Unibet" table and the "Immersive" table).
These two also are exactly the same.

The Immersive is especially evil.
I had five spins there, chipping absolutely EVERY NUMBER except 23 17 34 35 and 0.
Each spin landed on one of those five numbers.

I know that technology exists and is available to on-line casino operators to control the wheel and get the ball to land on a sector which has the least money on it. I suspect that the auto-wheels from Evolution could be something like that.

I don't have a lot of luck on Evolution, and the software can be glitchy too, which throws you off you concentration.

I much prefer Netent and Playtech Live Casinos, they have a much better feel.

 

[alexking12k]

I just tried out two of the other Evolution roulette tables (the "Unibet" table and the "Immersive" table).
These two also are exactly the same.

The Immersive is especially evil.
I had five spins there, chipping absolutely EVERY NUMBER except 23 17 34 35 and 0.
Each spin landed on one of those five numbers.

Ugh! I would've probably thrown my computer out the window right there and then!

 

[kelapa]

I know that technology exists and is available to on-line casino operators to control the wheel and get the ball to land on a sector which has the least money on it. I suspect that the auto-wheels from Evolution could be something like that.

Yeah, but these tables are all live. That clearly doesn't stop them from pulling this shit though..

 

[kelapa]

Ugh! I would've probably thrown my computer out the window right there and then!

There have been so many times...

I'm very familiar by now with that creepy, numb feeling when you see the ball tip-toeing towards that one losing number. Now that it's certain that it's been rigged all along, I at least don't feel like I'm cursed or something.

 

[kelapa]

STILL exactly the same shit.

The ball makes the most insane leaps to avoid massive amounts of winning numbers, just to find ONE lone losing number. Easily ten rounds in a row. Often more, when I don't give up immediately.
It literally speeds up entirely by itself. Or stops dead in its tracks. It will make absolutely any bizarre, unnatural movement required to land where Evolution wants it to land, for maximum player loss.

Imagine flipping a coin twenty times and it landing on its side each time. That is exactly what this is.

Evolution are absolutely without shame. Don't bet with them, unless you're curious what a scam looks like.

 

[interlog]

Why continue playing there?

 

[kelapa]

Why continue playing there?

Unfortunately, there's not many other ways of gathering evidence, is there?

Ready for a few more rounds of magnet-ball?

Note how the ball always lands right next to the winning areas, usually just one spot off. Watch in slow-motion if you must.

Spin 1: The ball lands around the 0. "Can't have that", says Evolution. So the ball suddenly starts moving again, accelerates and doesn't stop until it reaches 23, on the opposite end of the wheel. If it had stopped one spot earlier (on the 10), I would've won. Four spots further (on the 36) would've been fine too, for that matter.

Spin 2: Ball is about to land on 16... then swings back in the opposite direction before magically slotting into one of only TWO losing numbers on that entire side of the wheel (31 and 9).

Spin 3: Ball lands on 26. "No way", says Evolution and executes a perfect backflip away from all the winning numbers. I was lucky to have at least half-chipped 2.

Spin 4: Ball touches down around 9, but it has too much momentum to stop dead this time. So it rolls and rolls until the nearest loser is found, exactly where the chipped area ends, as usual.

 

[goatwack]

This doesn't instil my faith in live games

Here's me thinking they were as fair as you can get, but of course there's always room to scam players in this industry.

Who'd have thought they'd be so blatant about it though

 

[TheAddict]

The "perfect backflip" ceartinly raised a brow when witnessed from over here

 

[neilw]

There is nothing predictable about roulette or the way a ball should behave in a spinning wheel when it's running in the opposite direction of the wheel.

If you've played any ball sport you'll understand the effect that spin can have on the behavior on a ball and how that spin is generated, i.e being hit by something, like a golf club, bat, racket or in the case of roulette the diamonds and pocket sides and ridges.

I can come up with as many arguments to explain away what you're seeing, which I happen to think is normal, as others can say that it's cheating.

I've seen nothing in the videos that give certain proof that Evolution is cheating. I would wager that if you recorded 10 spins from each of the live casino providers you'd see exactly the same sort of ball behaviors across them all.

As for the losing spins, it's the same with most gambling games, be it slots or Blackjack or Baccarat, you go through periods when when have loosing streaks and then you get winning streaks. You just need to ensure that your bankroll will last with the bet values you're staking.

If you truly believe they are cheating, stop playing. Just showing videos of losing spins isn't evidence. How about you record 1000 spins, keep the numbers you bet on the same and see what the outcome is.

The roulette from Evolution shows you the stats for up to the last 500 spins, anyone can look. Pick any table and you'll see fairly normal looking dispersion of results across all numbers and sectors. Now do the same for 50 spins and notice the difference. It's much more volatile.

Now go to another provider and do the same, you'll see something similar.

I am truly interested in this subject and have visited the studios and spoken with the compliance people to see for myself. I've seen no evidence to suggest anything dodgy going on.

If someone can produce real evidence then I'm happy to help move things forward.

 

[aceking123]

There is nothing predictable about roulette or the way a ball should behave in a spinning wheel when it's running in the opposite direction of the wheel.

If you've played any ball sport you'll understand the effect that spin can have on the behavior on a ball and how that spin is generated, i.e being hit by something, like a golf club, bat, racket or in the case of roulette the diamonds and pocket sides and ridges.

I can come up with as many arguments to explain away what you're seeing, which I happen to think is normal, as others can say that it's cheating.

I've seen nothing in the videos that give certain proof that Evolution is cheating. I would wager that if you recorded 10 spins from each of the live casino providers you'd see exactly the same sort of ball behaviors across them all.

As for the losing spins, it's the same with most gambling games, be it slots or Blackjack or Baccarat, you go through periods when when have loosing streaks and then you get winning streaks. You just need to ensure that your bankroll will last with the bet values you're staking.

If you truly believe they are cheating, stop playing. Just showing videos of losing spins isn't evidence. How about you record 1000 spins, keep the numbers you bet on the same and see what the outcome is.

The roulette from Evolution shows you the stats for up to the last 500 spins, anyone can look. Pick any table and you'll see fairly normal looking dispersion of results across all numbers and sectors. Now do the same for 50 spins and notice the difference. It's much more volatile.

Now go to another provider and do the same, you'll see something similar.

I am truly interested in this subject and have visited the studios and spoken with the compliance people to see for myself. I've seen no evidence to suggest anything dodgy going on.

If someone can produce real evidence then I'm happy to help move things forward.

No reason for tin foil hat or proof as such , this happens far too often & have been saying it for years , the other thing which is not displaying here via these videos is connection error & bets not being taken at higher stakes & yes you've guessed it you hit a good number, the obvious one is when the screen goes black i've seen this countless times & everytime i never hit a number , optimising a screen or whatever it says & the worst live game for doing this & where all the heavy losses have been are indeed run via netent immersive roulette has a very very good knack of producing these results time after time even with 20+ numbers covered , it is not my connection there is something going on. ive tested this out at a live casino bricks & mortar & never seen such results in fact ive now played the same numbers & have 9 out of 11 sessions to where i've won , not hundreds but clearly still not the point you dont get this with online it's almost like its a video being played out & not live at all.


i shall be getting some recording software to show this & record 3 months of live games , it isnt the first time as you know Neil i have said about these common things showing up far too often , ive stated the same thing on your live games thread , if anyone can point me to some great recording software i would be greatful )

 

[interlog]

No reason for tin foil hat or proof as such , this happens far too often & have been saying it for years , the other thing which is not displaying here via these videos is connection error & bets not being taken at higher stakes & yes you've guessed it you hit a good number, the obvious one is when the screen goes black i've seen this countless times & everytime i never hit a number , optimising a screen or whatever it says & the worst live game for doing this & where all the heavy losses have been are indeed run via netent immersive roulette has a very very good knack of producing these results time after time even with 20+ numbers covered , it is not my connection there is something going on. ive tested this out at a live casino bricks & mortar & never seen such results in fact ive now played the same numbers & have 9 out of 11 sessions to where i've won , not hundreds but clearly still not the point you dont get this with online it's almost like its a video being played out & not live at all.


i shall be getting some recording software to show this & record 3 months of live games , it isnt the first time as you know Neil i have said about these common things showing up far too often , ive stated the same thing on your live games thread , if anyone can point me to some great recording software i would be greatful )

Bandicam is great but the free version only records 10 minutes at a time.

An another alternative is OBS - totally free and unlimited recording time.

 

[aceking123]

Bandicam is great but the free version only records 10 minutes at a time.

An another alternative is OBS - totally free and unlimited recording time.

Hi inter is this good recording app via pc ?? im wet behind the ears in tech department to be honest .

 

[interlog]

Hi inter is this good recording app via pc ?? im wet behind the ears in tech department to be honest .

I use both on my Windows 8 PC and they do the job adequately. Pretty easy to use, even for an old fart like me.

 

[kelapa]

There is nothing predictable about roulette or the way a ball should behave in a spinning wheel when it's running in the opposite direction of the wheel.

If you've played any ball sport you'll understand the effect that spin can have on the behavior on a ball and how that spin is generated, i.e being hit by something, like a golf club, bat, racket or in the case of roulette the diamonds and pocket sides and ridges.\

It actually seems awfully predictable..

If you place a bet like this*, making sure that there's one lone losing number among masses of winning ones (the 10, in this case)... then the ball will automatically fall on that one losing number.

* side note: that bet in the picture is obviously a stupid one, I just played it in order to provoke the triple bizarro..

That's the golden rule: leave one number unchipped, but surrounded on all sides by chips... it will fall on that one again and again. Three times in a row. Maybe more, but I always give up after the third try. This has happened four times this week.

I'm not sure if this is really getting through: I can easily place 100 bets in a row with that amount of numbers covered, and the ball will fall on the unchipped ones every time, very occasionally on a half-chipped one.

The ball will do absolutely anything to land on the wrong number, no matter how physically impossible.
I've played ball sports, now that you mention it. I was pretty much king of the curve. Could curl a ball around a corner if I wanted to. One thing I never managed was to make a ball accelerate up to twice its starting speed when it was halfway. How does Evolution pull that one off exactly?

Not to mention: when a ball has settled on a number (and I mean sitting perfectly still for a solid second), how does it jump out of that slot and then RACE all the way to the other end of the wheel, not stopping until it conveniently finds exactly the closest losing number? Twenty times in a row?

Winning is impossible. Go try for yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[kelapa]

Right now, I have played this bet 10 times in a row:

I lost every single spin.

The second I took my chips off, the ball landed on one of the countless winning numbers every single time.

The moment I tried three more times: again, three times nothing.

 

[kelapa]

One more thing I've noticed: a few specific dealers are literally impossible to beat.
The one in the picture above is Elizabete Kudina. She's one of the absolute mainstays of Evolution. Been around forever.

Whenever she sits down, every player can forget about winning anything for the next half hour or hour (however long her shift is).
It's like a switch gets pulled. You can go ahead and bombard the whole board with chips for fifty rounds; you won't win a single cent.

The second she leaves and another dealer sits down, everything turns back to normal immediately.

I already noticed this long before all the other weird stuff started happening.
So I started wondering how this could possibly be, what made her throws so different from the other dealers'?

Did a bit of detectiving on Facebook and LinkedIn, and turns out her boyfriend is a programmer at a company called Dyninno.
And there seems to be an awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing between Evolution Gaming and Dyninno.

I'll leave my tinfoil hat here.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Immersive is from Evolution, not Netent

No reason for tin foil hat or proof as such , this happens far too often & have been saying it for years , the other thing which is not displaying here via these videos is connection error & bets not being taken at higher stakes & yes you've guessed it you hit a good number, the obvious one is when the screen goes black i've seen this countless times & everytime i never hit a number , optimising a screen or whatever it says & the worst live game for doing this & where all the heavy losses have been are indeed run via netent immersive roulette has a very very good knack of producing these results time after time even with 20+ numbers covered , it is not my connection there is something going on. ive tested this out at a live casino bricks & mortar & never seen such results in fact ive now played the same numbers & have 9 out of 11 sessions to where i've won , not hundreds but clearly still not the point you dont get this with online it's almost like its a video being played out & not live at all.


i shall be getting some recording software to show this & record 3 months of live games , it isnt the first time as you know Neil i have said about these common things showing up far too often , ive stated the same thing on your live games thread , if anyone can point me to some great recording software i would be greatful )

 

[ed skull murphy]

The only table I enjoy playing from Evolution is the live stream from Dragonara Casino on Malta.

 

[kelapa]

The only table I enjoy playing from Evolution is the live stream from Dragonara Casino on Malta.

So that's the one that's not set in some studio, but actually in a real casino?

 

[ed skull murphy]

So that's the one that's not set in some studio, but actually in a real casino?

Yes indeed, the squillionaires park their yachts in the bay and go to Dragonara to play. But this is the table I feel most comfortable at.

 

[kelapa]

It's night. Here's what happens.

My first bet. Looks like a safe one, as far as bets go, right?
Wrong. 19.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. All lost.

Every single time, the ball landed MILES away from any of the losing numbers. Then it made the trademark crazy jump and - poof - another magical win for Evolution Scamming.

 

[kelapa]

Yes indeed, the squillionaires park their yachts in the bay and go to Dragonara to play. But this is the table I feel most comfortable at.

Well, it figures they wouldn't cheat there. Wouldn't want to piss off the maffia hordes and get your leg broke.

 

[ed skull murphy]

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[neilw]

One more thing I've noticed: a few specific dealers are literally impossible to beat.
The one in the picture above is Elizabete Kudina. She's one of the absolute mainstays of Evolution. Been around forever.

Whenever she sits down, every player can forget about winning anything for the next half hour or hour (however long her shift is).
It's like a switch gets pulled. You can go ahead and bombard the whole board with chips for fifty rounds; you won't win a single cent.

The second she leaves and another dealer sits down, everything turns back to normal immediately.

I already noticed this long before all the other weird stuff started happening.
So I started wondering how this could possibly be, what made her throws so different from the other dealers'?

Did a bit of detectiving on Facebook and LinkedIn, and turns out her boyfriend is a programmer at a company called Dyninno.
And there seems to be an awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing between Evolution Gaming and Dyninno.

I'll leave my tinfoil hat here.

Just regarding the dealer spins.

They are all trained to spin the same way. Each spin is initiated from the previous winning number and the spin direction of the wheel is reversed for each new spin.

The wheel has to be spun between a certain RPM range (I can't remember what it was, but the dealer can see this on their screen, to ensure spins are consistent). I had a go in the training academy and found it quite difficult to do. I also had the same problem with the wheels at NetEnt. Guess i'm not cutout to be a dealer lol.

The wheels and the dealer performance is monitored by a separate Risk and Game Integrity Team. I haven't seen the info they get or what they do with it, but suspect the only people who can see it are the Auditors and Evo's own staff.

 

[4048]

It's night. Here's what happens.

/snip

My first bet. Looks like a safe one, as far as bets go, right?
Wrong. 19.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. All lost.

Every single time, the ball landed MILES away from any of the losing numbers. Then it made the trademark crazy jump and - poof - another magical win for Evolution Scamming.

Bad luck, but I find it hard to believe your 15ish€ lost makes up for the casinos losses on that table.

 

[alexking12k]

Bad luck, but I find it hard to believe your 15ish€ lost makes up for the casinos losses on that table.

Not from a few spins but it all adds up over time.

 

[kelapa]

Just regarding the dealer spins.

They are all trained to spin the same way. Each spin is initiated from the previous winning number and the spin direction of the wheel is reversed for each new spin.

The wheel has to be spun between a certain RPM range (I can't remember what it was, but the dealer can see this on their screen, to ensure spins are consistent). I had a go in the training academy and found it quite difficult to do. I also had the same problem with the wheels at NetEnt. Guess i'm not cutout to be a dealer lol.

The wheels and the dealer performance is monitored by a separate Risk and Game Integrity Team. I haven't seen the info they get or what they do with it, but suspect the only people who can see it are the Auditors and Evo's own staff.

At Evo, the ball has to go round at least 3 times.

But what I mean to say is that the dealers don't have much to do with the problem. It seems more plausible that the software/hardware behind/under the wheel corrects their spins when necessary. Could be that this Elizabete is particularly in favour with the programmers.

 

[kelapa]

Not from a few spins but it all adds up over time.

Exactly.

Evolution is rigged. Go see for yourselves if you're so sure that it's all clean.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Exactly.

Evolution is rigged. Go see for yourselves if you're so sure that it's all clean.

Hey, Kelapa, you seem like an intelligent guy, you're Dutch right? Which means you're intelligent, generally speaking.

Instead of getting all wound up over this, waarom ga je niet de situatie omdraaien tot je eigen voorsprong? Make small bets on the numbers which trend-wise shouldn't be hitting, in other words, the sort of bets that experienced roulette players would NOT make, based on the trend.

You could have, inadvertently, discovered the 'holy grail' my friend!