Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[GrandMaster]

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[kelapa]

Do the math? hmmm ok i will bite as no one else has, you dont theoretically stand a 66% chance of winning its only 64.86% only a small difference i know but if your going to quote math....

14 out of 154 times yes extremely unlikely but not impossible.

Chipped the entire board except 5 numbers..... erm why?

Like I said, as an experiment in order to gather evidence. I've long given up on winning anything at Evo's roulette, so I spent months proving that they are a fraud.

The more numbers you chip on an Evolution board, the crazier the ball's movements will get in order to avoid landing on your winning numbers. It will literally hop like a flea from neighbour to neighbour to neighbour until it reaches the very nearest losing number. Spin after spin after spin, the exact same phenomenon.
It will come to full rest on a winning number... only to jump out again and pick up speed until it finds the nearest losing one. They don't even bother being inconspicuous about it... always EXACTLY on the nearest losing number.

Around the time when I first noticed this, I placed the following bet for three rounds in a row:
TIER (except for 5) + ORPHELINS + ZERO AREA

Each of these three spins, it first landed on a winning number, but then jumped out and started hopping across the wheel one slot at a time until it found number 5.

 

[kelapa]

An oldie:


Any explanation as to what happens around 0:30 when the ball clearly settles on 0... but then...?

Keep an eye on which are the winning numbers. Evolution plays a game of "the floor is lava" with those.

 

[goatwack]

An oldie:


Any explanation as to what happens around 0:30 when the ball clearly settles on 0... but then...?

Keep an eye on which are the winning numbers. Evolution plays a game of "the floor is lava" with those.

That was 'quite the leap' from 0 there

Maybe they have mini springs on their numbers?

 

[kelapa]

That was 'quite the leap' from 0 there

Maybe they have mini springs on their numbers?

That's pretty much literally what it looks like.
The ball gets these really abrupt jolts when it looks like it's comfortably settled already. Evolution Pinball anyone?

They also appear capable of stopping the ball dead when necessary. I noticed that when I only left a few numbers unchipped. The ball would be spinning at regular speed, then suddenly get "sucked" into the losing number's slot. I know a ball can make all sorts of interesting twists and turns, but this was completely unnatural.

And it's not like this is a freak occurrence either. This easily happens 20 spins in a row.

 

[goatwack]

That's pretty much literally what it looks like.
The ball gets these really abrupt jolts when it looks like it's comfortably settled already. Evolution Pinball anyone?

They also appear capable of stopping the ball dead when necessary. I noticed that when I only left a few numbers unchipped. The ball would be spinning at regular speed, then suddenly get "sucked" into the losing number's slot. I know a ball can make all sorts of interesting twists and turns, but this was completely unnatural.

And it's not like this is a freak occurrence either. This easily happens 20 spins in a row.

Evolution's latest Roulette line

 

[Reelsoffun]

That's pretty much literally what it looks like.
The ball gets these really abrupt jolts when it looks like it's comfortably settled already. Evolution Pinball anyone?

They also appear capable of stopping the ball dead when necessary. I noticed that when I only left a few numbers unchipped. The ball would be spinning at regular speed, then suddenly get "sucked" into the losing number's slot. I know a ball can make all sorts of interesting twists and turns, but this was completely unnatural.

And it's not like this is a freak occurrence either. This easily happens 20 spins in a row.

Like I said before some ball movements do look extremely dodgy, but your implying that they are missing you personally on purpose, and in multiple spins in a row but realistically its highly unlikely that everyone is leaving the same numbers as you off consistently, which would mean someone will be winning. So unless your are the person betting much higher than everyone else, its more likely to cost them more avoiding your numbers than everyone else's?

Also if they were some how cheating you im sure they would do it less aggressive, eg after maybe after some losses let you win one but not enough to recover to keep you chasing?

I used to feel the exact same thing about "supercasino" LIVE roulette eg the one on the TV ( channel 5 ) it just felt like they were purposely avoiding my numbers ( i do the same ones all the time with rare extra ones ) and the more i chased the more longer periods of misses i would endure. But recently I have changed several things and things have been going better but this might just be short lived, sure i will find out soon enough! I have been tracking more data on my sessions.

I have my own roulette wheel and i must admit i have tried covering like 30 numbers loads of times and its scary just how many times it finds one of the only 7 numbers not covered, in fact enough to feel its rigged even tho the wheel was balanced and i was spinning the ball myself !! So maybe we are just all tin foil hatters

 

[kelapa]

Like I said before some ball movements do look extremely dodgy, but your implying that they are missing you personally on purpose, and in multiple spins in a row but realistically its highly unlikely that everyone is leaving the same numbers as you off consistently, which would mean someone will be winning. So unless your are the person betting much higher than everyone else, its more likely to cost them more avoiding your numbers than everyone else's?

Yeah, I've got that question a few times already.

I think I occasionally can get a win if other players are already occupying most of the numbers that I had left unchipped. The software then settles for the lesser evil.

EXAMPLE:
I bet a modest amount on 1-24.
The other people bet big on 25-36.
So this round will probably end in my favour.

This could explain the fact that I lose even more if I play at night.
That's when there are less players online, so there are more unchipped numbers available to pick from, so less scraps for me...

Also if they were some how cheating you im sure they would do it less aggressive, eg after maybe after some losses let you win one but not enough to recover to keep you chasing?

I have wondered why they'd be so obvious and aggressive about it, yeah.
Maybe it's because I won a few thousands when I started out. Maybe Evolution keeps track of that and automatically flags me in their database, and then the gloves come off... and there's no more winning for me until they get all of their money back.

I used to feel the exact same thing about "supercasino" LIVE roulette eg the one on the TV ( channel 5 ) it just felt like they were purposely avoiding my numbers ( i do the same ones all the time with rare extra ones ) and the more i chased the more longer periods of misses i would endure. But recently I have changed several things and things have been going better but this might just be short lived, sure i will find out soon enough! I have been tracking more data on my sessions.

I have my own roulette wheel and i must admit i have tried covering like 30 numbers loads of times and its scary just how many times it finds one of the only 7 numbers not covered, in fact enough to feel its rigged even tho the wheel was balanced and i was spinning the ball myself !! So maybe we are just all tin foil hatters

I'm far from a tin foil hatter, but I'm not naive either.
If there's a way to cheat people out of money and get away with it, most companies will exploit it.

Of course, even the most outrageous, statistically insane scenario can still be a mathematical possibility. So Evolution can continue hiding behind that... even if the ball falls on zero 30 times in a row.

 

[goatwack]

I can't imagine anyone would have so much perseverance over this many pages if there wasn't an element of truth to this.

Seems even when exposed, some companies will happily continue trading, seems like they can circumvent detection

I know if I were to dabble in online Roulette, Devolution would not be my first port of call

 

[kelapa]

Playing right now...

It's the usual tricks. The chat is absolutely filled to the brim with people swearing, cursing, calling them cheats.

But nobody will lift a finger against Evolution.

 

[kelapa]

43 spins in a row......... FORTY THREE spins in a row......... each and every single one of them, the ball swings wildly away from winning numbers and settles on the nearest losing number.

The jumps are absolutely beyond insane right now. The ball will sit perfectly still on a number for a solid second... then take a crazy rodeo style leap... and another... and another... until it lands EXACTLY outside the field of numbers that I have chipped.
And always by just ONE slot's difference. They might as well be pointing and laughing at you from across the table.

Also take note that these crazy jumps absolutely NEVER fall in my favour. Not a single time in the entire history of Evo roulette.

Everybody else is losing too.. cursing.. calling them out for the cheats that they are. There are no winners except for the usual fake user accounts. And Evolution Gaming itself of course.

What more will it take before this so-called community of player arbitration does anything?
Everyone seems very content to just sweep it under the rug and let this scam continue. Should be ashamed.

 

[Borgie]

43 spins in a row......... FORTY THREE spins in a row......... each and every single one of them, the ball swings wildly away from winning numbers and settles on the nearest losing number.

The jumps are absolutely beyond insane right now. The ball will sit perfectly still on a number for a solid second... then take a crazy rodeo style leap... and another... and another... until it lands EXACTLY outside the field of numbers that I have chipped.
And always by just ONE slot's difference. They might as well be pointing and laughing at you from across the table.

Also take note that these crazy jumps absolutely NEVER fall in my favour. Not a single time in the entire history of Evo roulette.

Everybody else is losing too.. cursing.. calling them out for the cheats that they are. There are no winners except for the usual fake user accounts. And Evolution Gaming itself of course.

What more will it take before this so-called community of player arbitration does anything?
Everyone seems very content to just sweep it under the rug and let this scam continue. Should be ashamed.

Stop playing there for sure - if you are right or even convinced its a scam you are throwing good money away.

 

[kelapa]

Stop playing there for sure - if you are right or even convinced its a scam you are throwing good money away.

No problem. For me, it's more of an experiment than anything.

I just want something to be DONE about Evo. I'd like to see some degree of justice.

 

[goatwack]

Right, which way to Evolution HQ

 

[liberec]

43 spins in a row......... FORTY THREE spins in a row......... each and every single one of them, the ball swings wildly away from winning numbers and settles on the nearest losing number.

The jumps are absolutely beyond insane right now. The ball will sit perfectly still on a number for a solid second... then take a crazy rodeo style leap... and another... and another... until it lands EXACTLY outside the field of numbers that I have chipped.

i had the same experience last night and same thoughts. currently its very obvious
and the ladys make a grimace into the camera. they absolutely know what is going on

 

[kelapa]

Right, which way to Evolution HQ

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Well, this might be exactly the kind of case that those investigative tv shows are eager to get their hands on.
Evolution are very slippery. But maybe a good bit of media pressure might make them nervous enough.

 

[goatwack]

Thing is, what can be done, other than to spread the word....

Is their software that loved on CM? Never heard of them before, but licensing or not I think I'll take a strategic swerve from their erm, 'portfolio'

 

[neilw]

No problem. For me, it's more of an experiment than anything.

I just want something to be DONE about Evo. I'd like to see some degree of justice.

In the UK if you think there has been a fraud or a crime you can report it to the Police and they will investigate.

Due to the jurisdiction of the Studio and the licenses Evolution hold I guess you could go to the Authorities in Riga or perhaps raise a complaint with the UK Gambling Commission or both.

If the Roulette you're playing is being streamed from the studio in Malta you could probably raise a complaint with the Maltese authorities and Malta Gaming Authority.

You'll need to provide evidence of course to substantiate the claims and have enough so it's compelling for the authorities to investigate further. I can't help with what that evidence should be, the authorities should be able to help you with that.

 

[kelapa]

i had the same experience last night and same thoughts. currently its very obvious
and the ladys make a grimace into the camera. they absolutely know what is going on

I doubt the dealers are involved, to be honest.
That would be way too risky. What happens when those lovely ladies move on from Evo?

I'm pretty sure that whatever is happening is built into the software and hardware of the roulette tables.
It all happens automatically. When the ball lands on an unprofitable number, the system will keep zapping the ball until it lands somewhere safe instead. Much better for Evo that way. The fewer people know, the better.

 

[kelapa]

In the UK if you think there has been a fraud or a crime you can report it to the Police and they will investigate.

Due to the jurisdiction of the Studio and the licenses Evolution hold I guess you could go to the Authorities in Riga or perhaps raise a complaint with the UK Gambling Commission or both.

If the Roulette you're playing is being streamed from the studio in Malta you could probably raise a complaint with the Maltese authorities and Malta Gaming Authority.

You'll need to provide evidence of course to substantiate the claims and have enough so it's compelling for the authorities to investigate further. I can't help with what that evidence should be, the authorities should be able to help you with that.

From what I've experienced so far, these authorities will just sit with their arms crossed and basically say that any result is plausible in a game of chance.
They're useless and complicit.

And not sure if I want to be known by something called the Malta Gaming Authority. That whole place is 100% under maffia control.
Journalists who get a little too curious get car bombed. I'll pass...

Pretty sure these authorities are scared of them too. Can't blame them.

 

[paul7388]

So glad I do not play live roulette.

Just been proven it is completely rigged.And if you make a complaint you will be tracked down and killed by the Mafia

Think i will stick to slots . Just hope Mr BTG is not well connected as well with all the threads about Bonanza being rigged.

 

[neilw]

Just been proven it is completely rigged.And if you make a complaint you will be tracked down and killed by the Mafia

Hmmm, where's it been proven? All I've seen so far is acquisitions.

 

[goatwack]

People need to chill with the conspiracy theories lol

Mafia?


Anyway, off to play some Bonanza

 

[neilw]

Thing is, what can be done, other than to spread the word....

Is their software that loved on CM? Never heard of them before, but licensing or not I think I'll take a strategic swerve from their erm, 'portfolio'

Not sure it's loved on CM or for that matter Live Casino in general.

Evolution are the No.1 Supplier of Live casino games in Europe certainly. They have the largest number of tables and the widest selection of games.

There are other very good alternatives, especially for Roulette players, with games streamed from land based casinos becoming more popular. However there are as many Youtube videos of people claiming those tables are rigged to.

I have to wonder, if there is so much concern about roulette being fixed why anyone would ever consider playing it. My bad I guess.

 

[kelapa]

Hmmm, where's it been proven? All I've seen so far is acquisitions.

That's kinda the problem here.
When is it proven?
Answer: when Evolution admit it by themselves for some bizarre reason, or when somebody breaks into their studio and cracks open the wheel and finds all sorts of hidden gear that shouldn't be there.

Neither of those things are going to happen.
So what's left?
Gather video evidence of strange occurrences during play? Done that. Scared a bunch of (potential) players here. But it'll never be enough to goad the authorities in action. They'll always claim it's just another funny coincidence.

Got any other suggestions?