Evolution "Live" Roulette is CROOKED!

[goatwack]

lol, arent there, like, 12 of them?

None with the charisma of this one. Last one was just exchanging tips and suchlike

 

[Fredos386]

Live roulette are all "rigged" as it's scripts/rng/magnet that run scripted events with rng that can alter the outcome if some bets create a too big payout so it probably recalculate a better landing spot to follow RTP. The RTP on all games, roulette, slots is not like we think. To onlin casinos if you bet 100 times 1$ and lose every bet and then raise 100$ bet and win... then you lost 100x and then won back 1x. You won less than 1% of your spins so under 1% RTP, but truth is they calculate it in money, so to their system the player that lost 100 times 1$ then won 1 time 100$ (1x on 100$ bet) had a RTP of 100%.

So if you lose 100x1$ then win 2x on 100$ bet even if you repeat same cycle somehow forever the casino will keep saying you had 100% RTP. An information that changes everything once you know. So live roulettes run scripts that are built to wipe out each colour/sections and such in cycle to clean every martyngale player around. If the bets get too mad the rng kicks in and calculate outcome to redistribute RTP moneywise. So if you are down and the rng can't allow your bet, next bet at same level could win but if you/others keep doubling the payout RTP wise is always too high so it creates insane black/red/row/sections streaks that are completly unreal and make people go crazy calling it cheat. It's all about the money. That's why big bets are so hard to win while smaller ones are so easy.

Once you know that, yes you can get away the script and rng if you bet low and always rotate your numbers but then it forces you to make a lot more spins to reach your goal and your changing picks make your results become really close to what it should be randomly meaning that you get hit by the house edge trying to beat it with so many bets. So either you get screwed by the rng that calculate RTP to avoid you winning more than you should forcing huge losses or you avoid the cheat and you get burnt by the casino edge... overall it means you just can't win in any shape or form long term no matter. All you can do is play for fun small amount and try to have fun. Any players claiming they beat the tables non-stop are plain liars because even if they had the luckiest streak ever casinos are not forced to serve players and if one win too much they will close his account. So no one can live out of that... either by random rip or by casinos blocking them from playing.

 

[pyst777]

How random is digital random (online roulette) compared to physical random (real wheel) Can you compare the randomness of a digital (or real) roulette wheel to the randomness of a lotto ball machine? I've been tracking Evolution Roulette games and quite often there are at least 6 number which haven't appeared for 100 spins. That would be 17 draws for any lotto number to not appear. It rarely happens for one lotto number at any time - just ridiculous for 6 lotto numbers to have been MIA for that number of draws.

 

[pyst777]

A little while ago, just before I wrote this, there were 6 numbers which hadn't appeared in more than 100 spins. They had been waiting this number of spins - 201, 184, 169, 105, 132, 107, 109. Don't tell me that isn't bullshit. lol

 

[pyst777]

I need my head read! I still think I can win at Evolution Roulette. My latest experience follows. Was taking six numbers 0 8 10 23 26 32 off and on - mostly on. Went well for a while with a bit of a strategy and made a little profit. Then it all went shit. Long Long LONG runs where none of the numbers came up and even my strategy was no help to beat that. One run was 44 spins - normal expectation is to have a hit almost every 6 spins . So I got fed up and gave up betting - took a break and returned to check recent spins and follow the next ones. From the moment I quit playing my 6 numbers they started coming up - quicker than they had in the 100s of spins I had played. 14 times they hit in 36 spins - normal expectation would be around 84 spins to get 14 hits with 6 numbers. That's my sorry tale. Bad luck with a lot of help from crooked software. Have I learnt my lesson - probably not.

 

[Halvor]

There are no strategy that will make you win long term in roulette, your only chance is luck. No matter what you do the house got the edge.

Also I think you highly overestimate how unlikely it is for 200+ spins without a specific number. I wont link to sites showing odds for this to happen, but you can easily find it with a google search.

 

[Guntis]

I need my head read! I still think I can win at Evolution Roulette. My latest experience follows. Was taking six numbers 0 8 10 23 26 32 off and on - mostly on. Went well for a while with a bit of a strategy and made a little profit. Then it all went shit. Long Long LONG runs where none of the numbers came up and even my strategy was no help to beat that. One run was 44 spins - normal expectation is to have a hit almost every 6 spins . So I got fed up and gave up betting - took a break and returned to check recent spins and follow the next ones. From the moment I quit playing my 6 numbers they started coming up - quicker than they had in the 100s of spins I had played. 14 times they hit in 36 spins - normal expectation would be around 84 spins to get 14 hits with 6 numbers. That's my sorry tale. Bad luck with a lot of help from crooked software. Have I learnt my lesson - probably not.

Try to get out of yourself that sensation/feeling that " I can win"! If you won't, it will keep destroying you for the rest of your life... Remember, that game is playing with you your balance and your mind—sometimes it will make you happy but for most of the time make you cry. Don't ruin your life, play it only when you have an affordable balance at small no risky stakes.

 

[Twin]

Interesting, tell me more

 

[pyst777]

I accept good luck comes and goes. It is the timing of the bad luck which I find very suspect with Evolution Roulette.

 

[pyst777]

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Interesting, tell me more

I wouldn't expect any less a response like this from a casino owner. lol

 

[pyst777]

Interesting, tell me more

You'll be able to tell me how long I can sit at the table, just watching, before getting kicked off. I'm forever having to log back in. Another thing - I never see the names of people who are chatting in the winners list after each spin. Are they all chatting while they are losing?

 

[pyst777]

There are no strategy that will make you win long term in roulette, your only chance is luck. No matter what you do the house got the edge. Also I think you highly overestimate how unlikely it is for 200+ spins without a specific number. I wont link to sites showing odds for this to happen, but you can easily find it with a google search.

Maybe. It's not just a single number taking over 200 spins at most times. Sometimes it's three or more. Maybe it's not unusual. When I compare it to lotto draw results it just seems so remarkable. It's rare for any lotto number to take 33 draws to come up - I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Try to get out of yourself that sensation/feeling that " I can win"! If you won't, it will keep destroying you for the rest of your life... Remember, that game is playing with you your balance and your mind—sometimes it will make you happy but for most of the time make you cry. Don't ruin your life, play it only when you have an affordable balance at small no risky stakes.

Haha, I'm too mean to let gambling ruin my life. I play really low stakes so little chance of me winning a magnificent amount. I just like winning a bit and making my money last a little bit longer. It does irk me that it takes time to build up a profit only to see it disappear 10 times as quick as it was accumulated. As much as it makes me sound like a sore loser I am convinced that the software makes an all out effort to recover any money won as fast as it can.

 

[pyst777]

One of my current casinos is concerned for my welfare. They sent me an email after I made a few negative comments on roulette chat. Can't help thinking it was the negative comments about their game which they were more concerned about. I wonder if they send the same sort of email to silent gamblers who are losing $1000s.

 

[Slottery]

One of my current casinos is concerned for my welfare. They sent me an email after I made a few negative comments on roulette chat. Can't help thinking it was the negative comments about their game which they were more concerned about. I wonder if they send the same sort of email to silent gamblers who are losing $1000s.

Maybe you should be considered little at the point where you start to see conspiracy theories and spend so much time for trying to prove yourself that something like that exists. Maybe not really most healthy sign so think casino is only doing right thing if they are considered about your welfare.

Casinos facing many people who have really absurd theories how slots and other games are programmed to recognize players and work with exact patterns to make sure player lose much as possible etc... Here are few good ones in this forum as well. Trying to find such a patterns where they don't exist is typical for people who are playing luck based games, think it was called pareidolia or something, always some players keep talking how some slot is hot or cold etc... and make these patterns in head based on how that session is going.

So like you wrote, they have very good reason to be worried about your wellbeing, hope you have a little break, some fresh air and do something totally else than trying to find pattern from live roulette which really is real table with real ball instead of only software.

 

[pyst777]

Maybe you should be considered little at the point where you start to see conspiracy theories and spend so much time for trying to prove yourself that something like that exists. Maybe not really most healthy sign so think casino is only doing right thing if they are considered about your welfare.

Casinos facing many people who have really absurd theories how slots and other games are programmed to recognize players and work with exact patterns to make sure player lose much as possible etc... Here are few good ones in this forum as well. Trying to find such a patterns where they don't exist is typical for people who are playing luck based games, think it was called pareidolia or something, always some players keep talking how some slot is hot or cold etc... and make these patterns in head based on how that session is going.

So like you wrote, they have very good reason to be worried about your wellbeing, hope you have a little break, some fresh air and do something totally else than trying to find pattern from live roulette which really is real table with real ball instead of only software.

pfffft .lol

 

[brizman]

Maybe you should be considered little at the point where you start to see conspiracy theories and spend so much time for trying to prove yourself that something like that exists. Maybe not really most healthy sign so think casino is only doing right thing if they are considered about your welfare.

Casinos facing many people who have really absurd theories how slots and other games are programmed to recognize players and work with exact patterns to make sure player lose much as possible etc... Here are few good ones in this forum as well. Trying to find such a patterns where they don't exist is typical for people who are playing luck based games, think it was called pareidolia or something, always some players keep talking how some slot is hot or cold etc... and make these patterns in head based on how that session is going.

So like you wrote, they have very good reason to be worried about your wellbeing, hope you have a little break, some fresh air and do something totally else than trying to find pattern from live roulette which really is real table with real ball instead of only software.

Casinos being concerned about welfare of player... . That made me chuckle.

 

[pyst777]

Just a question. Dozens and columns rarely take more than a dozen spins to be hit and certainly not anywhere like 40 spins. Why is it that there are constantly 12 to 15 numbers which haven't been struck for 40 spins.

 

[pyst777]

Casinos being concerned about welfare of player... . That made me chuckle.

Oh yeah. A brain fart. lol

 

[The Dude]

pfffft .lol

Don't be a jerk. Slottery was giving you sound advice. Keep posting like this and you're going to take a vacation.

 

[pyst777]

Don't be a jerk. Slottery was giving you sound advice. Keep posting like this and you're going to take a vacation.

Fuck you. Will that do it cunt,

 

[Halvor]

Just a question. Dozens and columns rarely take more than a dozen spins to be hit and certainly not anywhere like 40 spins. Why is it that there are constantly 12 to 15 numbers which haven't been struck for 40 spins.

Honestly take a minute to actually check the odds, what you think is some big conspiracy is normal and well within probability.

And based on how you reply here and a casino flagging your behaviour, I think Slottery gave you good advice. Enjoy your vacation and consider taking a break from gambling as well.

 

[dunover]

Fuck you. Will that do it cunt,

Yes, it will. Adios.

 

[Fredos386]

Every single event online is programmed so that individually it can be relatively plausible. Every sequence or streaks may be possible once every 100, 1000, 100,000 times which get near implausible but since there are so many possibilities it's still viewed as plausible, that's how it's made so that you can isolate every sequence and make claims that it's legit and if we stick to that, it is.

The thing is when you stop watching just single events but chain them all together and realize that you had 1 chance of 1000 to lose like that then to then 1 chance on 10,000 then 1 chance on 100 on and on in sequences that end up being possible 1 time in millions, billions, trillions sometimes series of event happening in loop have chances in pages of 0's behind 1 in happening and it 99% of the time happen in favor of the casino. The odds of it being random and legit are none. No provider, comissions and or casinos ever proved the opposite, it's all kept secret for "security reasons" so all we can have is a word that the company that wants our money is true which is hilarious when you look at what the company actually is.

I made my idea and tested it beyond limits just because i needed to know, for myself. It's all controled and compensated. We all get paid what we should but the computer decides when and how, what will trigger and what not. Every game, every action online is controlled and you can't beat the odds unless the system, casino, provider decides, for marketing reasons, to ship some special wins to certain people for promotion purposes and also for legal reasons to bring in as proof what im saying is wrong. Overall we just can't win, it is not unlickely, we just can't on a longer period win, at all. It's like throwing 100$ at a company that will decide how and when it returns you the 80$ they promised. You will never get more, not matter. In short periods you'll experience swings that give you a false impression but in reality you are always swinging down, always.

It's not unlikely, not because it's hard or bad luck, it's programmed to make sure it doesn't happen. No casinos or company would operate and have obligations and loans to payback if they had a chance, randomly, to be taken out of business at any moment. Nobody would operate that way, that's why landbase casinos have restrictions on bets size and limits that make sure at any time they can stop people from playing when they are losing too much. Online the limits are insane, any casinos could be busted at any moment which so few restrictions and such big differences between min and max bet etc. A random roulette with min bet 10 cents and max bet 50,000$ (often seen with btc) ... it would never exist in ever. Who crazy would let players martyngale with such limits it would be suicide. That's why landbase will limit to 5-500$ for example to avoid martyngale players too much room and limits meaning if he goes on a streak they can stop him from playing at any time. Online if it was random roulettes casinos would go broke so fast you have no idea. There's a reason why landbase true live games have so much restrictive limits.

It could be legitimate and legal if it was sold and described for what it is, it is not gambling it's a gambling simulation where the computer decides when and how you win, at their will. Then people would just spend the minimum for entertainment, as it should be and wouldn't go on stupid spending spree and loans if they knew they just had 0 chance to come up on top. Many players would also quit if they knew they are being played out. That the rips after the big win were not real same as the big win itself was not real and therefor why it was erased to so quick. Fake actions, fake wins, fake rip streaks, nothing random.

Overal you can't win. On paper your RTP will always be fine but your results won't be if analyzed all together same way if you flipped a coin online and it shows 50% rtp lifetime but you lost 100 then won 100 then lost 100 over and over forever, the total result is legit, the way it happened is fraudulent and impossible. That's how it works. Then consider it uses your RTP to give it back to you when you do things that are compulsive addict behaviors, in short they pay you when you do something stupid that will cost you a lot later on. They reward stupid actions and punish smart play. They make you win on certain games, casinos and rip on others on purpose. They guide you through your play and decide what you will like, what you will bet, the algorythm will figure the best way to extract the most out of you through knowing your finances and what you can afford and how. It will always give you back your RTP, but will manipulate you and entice you into betting always more, play more longer and deposit more frequently so that the casino edge if same in % is bigger in number so they make more money.

Everytime you do something smart for smart and responsible gambling they will rip you then reward you when you lose your mind on and on. They built a system that totally push irresonspible gambling behavior, reward and enforce it. But why is it still going on if it's so obvious? Simple, everyone is into it. Companies, persons, provinces, states, countries operate and tax gambling and use the same algorythms everywhere. So everyone is guilty of using this system... so yes nothing happen or change because no one with the capacity to change things is not guilty. The forums, casinos, banks, providers, affiiates, government, comissions, everyone live or benefit of it and is guilty of it. So nothing change, nothing will, you can just decide to participate or not. Play or not, deposit or not. I made up my mind, nothing will change, it's all bs and that's what the world is today. Every company, every industry is built to scam and exctract the most money possible and we all own directly or not some shares of them so we are all guilty. yay.

 

[Slottery]

Any idea which all governments are included this big scam, they could be named and shamed? These COVID19 restrictions seem maybe not to be good for people health, but thanks for interesting theory, maybe write it open bit more specifically what happen and where, how all different instances are doing their part and how exactly everything is done in practice? With detailed 10-20 pages you could open this up little bit more, now there's really just reading "I lost my money in roulette".

These theories would be much more interesting if these would be backed up with loads of game histories (should be available from casinos on request) and then clearly point out these occasions where these "one in trillions" scenarios keep repeating, With this temptation it wouldn't take many weeks to write prober story about this, backed up with huge amount of game rounds and calculations about odds something like that could happen etc....

If you have some great sure strategies to win from roulette, that cold be worth of good money, think there are not many existing where you are guaranteed winner (Martingale is not guaranteed winning strategy).

 

[neilw]

I made my idea and tested it beyond limits just because i needed to know, for myself. It's all controled and compensated.

You sound like you've gone through a very detailed and logical process. It makes a refreshing change for someone to dig deeper and have evidence to back up their conclusions. I'd love to see the data you've collected.

 

[Slottery]

You sound like you've gone through a very detailed and logical process. It makes a refreshing change for someone to dig deeper and have evidence to back up their conclusions. I'd love to see the data you've collected.

Exactly what i would be very interested as well (like been asking from many threads same kind of data about slots and their pattern behavior which makes winning impossible as they recognize etc...), these kind of patterns would be relatively easy to recognize if people just could make that much effort that request some whole game history from casino and back these conclusions up by actual gameplay.

Maybe one day somebody could make that much effort that these cool stories would be backed by facts when there is no need to read these posts where everybody are not 100% buying all stories about casinos really high technology which connects all game providers and doesn't matter which games you play, make you always lose exactly same way.

This roulette one shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate these one in trillion times odds. Requesting history of all played roulette rounds should be back it up quite well if poster here have been able to make clear conclusion about it, all the hard work done and easy one left, hope you still have energy for that.

 

[Terxan]

It started to glitch again...

 

[Terxan]

sry

 

[Joey47+]

I have a question: Does the Rigging software "know" which number you have covered on you FIRST spin, before you hit Spin? Or does it need the spin to actually occur before it can read your number choices?

 

[jamesp]

I wanted to add to this conversation. I played Evolution Roulette today. While I did not lose any money, I saw the ball landed on 0, three consecutive times. The 4th spin landed on the number next to zero. I think it was 25 or 29.. not sure. No proof of rigging but I have never seen this before, it has to be super rare. I did not see anyone profiting from this when they announced the winners every turn. Personally, this was enough for me to pull my chips and switch to another provider. I'll be curious if you have seen this before?

 

[neilw]

I have not seen it with Zero, but I have other numbers. The last occasion was in a land-based casino in London, where 32 came in 3 times in a row. A few on the table cleaned up!

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Odds of hitting three of the same numbers in a row = 1 in 50,653

 

[mulven]

I wanted to add to this conversation. I played Evolution Roulette today. While I did not lose any money, I saw the ball landed on 0, three consecutive times. The 4th spin landed on the number next to zero. I think it was 25 or 29.. not sure. No proof of rigging but I have never seen this before, it has to be super rare. I did not see anyone profiting from this when they announced the winners every turn. Personally, this was enough for me to pull my chips and switch to another provider. I'll be curious if you have seen this before?

The proper reaction would be "huh, neat that doesn't happen every day". Avoiding a provided for something that is no where near statistical improbability is a bit silly.

A reminder that huge companies like this have no reason to cheat as they are profiting from the casinos who use their software who in turn are profiting from the built in edge.

It is rare and you were there to witness it happen. Since it's spinning 24/7 various rare things inevitably happen all the time and you don't see them.

For example at some point it's been black 15 times in a row. I don't know when but I can guarantee that it's happened and that has a similar probability to a single number thrice in a row.

 

[Guntis]

I have seen it with zero and other numbers too, and maybe twice with 4 numbers in a row. Some people prefer to leave a bet on the previous winning number until they lose. If such a repetition happens, then usually those who place bets around or directly on that number win very well, and others chips get wiped out. It just natural.

I rarely leave chips unless i repeat the same bet. But usually i reduce my bet on the previous winner. Sometimes it hits again, but from experience - more often it doesn't, so that's why i don't bet. Here i just could have left £50 on and taken the rest off - that would've saved £450, lol

 

[slaman29]

I can't believe someone sees three hits in a row and thinks its cheating lol I have seen it so many times that it feels common. 4 in a row I have seen, feels a lot more rarer, never 5.

I also seen high streak of 18 a few times, my personal record is 20 (forgot which streak) but the 20 included zero so I don't know if it counts.

If you play dice where the house edge is even lower like 1%, you do 49.5% chance, you can see low/high streaks of 20+ very easily once you set autorolls to 1 milllion plus

 

[anysizepizza]

Yes they do cheat.

 

[Bierkugel]

Of course they cheat, but maybe not in the way people think. It’s all a mathematical equation. And they use neighbors. In the past, it was easier to see through the system; today it’s much harder because they break up the numbers, use neighbors, reverse things, and insert numbers in between. It happened too often to be a coincidence. A simple example:

28 / 14 / 20 or 34 / 1 / 20

Which means 28 = 14 + 14 or 34 = 20 + 14

However, there are still a few recurring patterns that appear often. Still, if you hit above average, they’ll catch you immediately and wreck your game. All providers in OC do this.

Currently from Megaroulette:

23 / 34 / 21 / 9 / 3 / 32 / 18 / 2 / 10 / 32 / 20

Break it down:

32 = 32, obviously

2 * 10 = 20

2 * 18 = 21 + 34, although 21 should actually be 2, a neighbor.

2 + 10 = 9 + 3, and so on…

Believe it or not, that’s how the system or algorithm works, as some say.

The magnet defeats everyone.


Does anyone here speak Romanian and can translate it what they talk?

 

[slaman29]

Yes, the magnet defeats everyone. Even with the Provably Fair roulette a digital magnet works too right? I've seen all kinds of arguments. And all the accusers come and still play even though they think they're being cheated

 

[Bierkugel]

From a player’s perspective, it remains difficult to definitively determine whether outcomes in online casinos are driven by bad luck or something more deliberate. However, the behavior of the roulette ball often appears irregular—frequently landing in unexpected pockets, sometimes even defying physical forces like centrifugal momentum. This raises legitimate questions about the integrity of the game. For me, it no longer seems plausible that the ball lands purely by chance. Whether the system is actively manipulated to disadvantage certain players or simply operates with built-in biases, the result is the same: a game that no longer feels fair or transparent.

It is also hard to ignore the inherent conflict of interest. Online casino platforms are often operated by publicly traded companies whose primary obligation is to maximize profit—ideally in a predictable and controlled manner. In such a high-stakes, multi-billion-dollar industry, relying solely on randomness and the house edge seems unlikely. There are clearly incentives to subtly influence outcomes, especially when it comes to identifying and neutralizing consistent or strategic players. While technical safeguards may be in place to prevent human interference by live hosts, the possibility of algorithmic manipulation cannot be ruled out. In this context, a controlled system—one that adjusts dynamically to player behavior—appears not only plausible but likely.

I acknowledge that I may be wrong. Still, the probability that these systems are not entirely fair seems, to me, higher than the reverse. That is why I’ve chosen to step away from online casinos altogether.

 

[Guntis]

Here is how online roulette should run

 

[slaman29]

Believe it or not I actually played a 'Roulette' wheel like that in school. We took turns spinning lol

 

[huunamma]

Bumping this thread as I've always known online roullette is rigged, anytime you see this wheel, flat pockets with the square frets, its magnetized. Anyone who spends enough time at the roulette wheel in casinos will notice it immediately when the ball is pulled into pockets magically far away and tries to keep its velocity/spin it defies the laws of physics . One exception is the indented metal pockets I've seen on some auto-roulette providers, those are NOT magnetized, however the spin is adjusted as you can see by the huge variance in ball speed, and the wheel is slowed ever so slightly with the of the ball hitting a certain diamond and numbers underneath. Playing both variants I can say the auto roullette wheel is much less rigged, despite being manipulated. I advise anyone who wants a fair game, especially for roullette which already has horrible house odds, just go to a real casino.

Btw the video below of the person speaking romanian, he is complaining that the wheel is shocking him, yes thats right the wheel itself. This is just the cherry on top of them being magnetized for the doubters whats more is the host is talking about his antistatic device, so they likely wear one in their costume.

Of course they cheat, but maybe not in the way people think. It’s all a mathematical equation. And they use neighbors. In the past, it was easier to see through the system; today it’s much harder because they break up the numbers, use neighbors, reverse things, and insert numbers in between. It happened too often to be a coincidence. A simple example:

28 / 14 / 20 or 34 / 1 / 20

Which means 28 = 14 + 14 or 34 = 20 + 14

However, there are still a few recurring patterns that appear often. Still, if you hit above average, they’ll catch you immediately and wreck your game. All providers in OC do this.

Currently from Megaroulette:

23 / 34 / 21 / 9 / 3 / 32 / 18 / 2 / 10 / 32 / 20

Break it down:

32 = 32, obviously

2 * 10 = 20

2 * 18 = 21 + 34, although 21 should actually be 2, a neighbor.

2 + 10 = 9 + 3, and so on…

Believe it or not, that’s how the system or algorithm works, as some say.

The magnet defeats everyone.


Does anyone here speak Romanian and can translate it what they talk?

 

[huunamma]

Please delete this one i already posted same comment didnt see it appeared above