Evolution "Live" Roulette is CROOKED!

pyst777

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The only time I ever 'win' is when I track the numbers without placing in money on the table. As soon as I start playing I sometimes win a couple of spins then it's a rapid turnaround for a good spell (with more than expected zeros) before it lets me win back less than half of what I've gambled then it starts taking again. When I stop gambling and just start tracking numbers again it's an almost complete turnaround. This sort of thing happens ALL the time. I usually play one of two simple strategies - follow the outside bets the same as the last spin OR else same as the 2nd last spin. Either CAN fail at any time but the way it happens with Evolution Live games is just too bad to be true.
 

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Oh noeeeeees, not again...
Yet people play online roulette and keep spending cash on it...
If you think it is rigged, don't play it, simplez...

I personally have no interest in roulette, never had.
I stick to slots and poker.

**Grabs a bag of popcorn**

;)
 

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There have been several threads that covers this topic, you can search for the threads and read there, no need for yet another thread covering the exact same thing as a previous topic.

I don't play too much roulette myself, but I usually stick to the same dealer every time as it feels like they spin it at the same speed every time lol... Just a stupid thing to get caught up on :p
 

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I don't play too much roulette myself, but I usually stick to the same dealer every time as it feels like they spin it at the same speed every time lol... Just a stupid thing to get caught up on :p
They don't spin the same every time. They have to spin within a range of RPM's and they must vary it. It's being monitored elsewhere, and alarms are raised if thresholds are exceeded or a dealer pattern is detected. It may feel like it's consistent, but it's not.
 

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They don't spin the same every time. They have to spin within a range of RPM's and they must vary it. It's being monitored elsewhere, and alarms are raised if thresholds are exceeded or a dealer pattern is detected. It may feel like it's consistent, but it's not.

Yeah I am aware, I did say that it "feels like" :) But I like staying with certain dealers.
 

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I say forget the hot mess that was the Evolution thread!

We'll just carry on here
 

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They don't spin the same every time. They have to spin within a range of RPM's and they must vary it. It's being monitored elsewhere, and alarms are raised if thresholds are exceeded or a dealer pattern is detected. It may feel like it's consistent, but it's not.

How about the live stream from a real casino, do these rules apply to them as well?
 
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How about the live stream from a real casino, do these rules apply to them as well?

I'm not sure. The level of monitoring for online live dealer games far exceeds anything that land based casino can do, however the roulette wheels produced by TCS John Huxley and Cammargh are used in both, and they come equipped with monitoring software, which I assume can be used by the land based casinos. However one of the roles of the Pit Boss is to monitor results, so if a dealer is hitting the same sections of the wheel or favouring the same range of numbers it will be noticed and a word will be had.
 

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it is crooked,rigged and fake i play them for years my experience is the more u cover the less your chance will be.
sometimes i cover 30 numbers it allways goes the empty part. this is no coincidence no more!!

with other providers who are from real casino streaming. they feel more natural and your chances are decent.
with evolution your not safe to cover much numbers.

u can try to experiment it.
cover 30ish number and leave 6-7 numbers empty. just leave a part of the wheel with no bet.
and u will see they will find that part pretty much soon.
or they let u win few times and it is allways the worst bet u have.

never play studio roulette from evolution.
and i can feel the pain of the OP and i understand him totally 100%
 

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Information regarding John Huxley wheels and their features are freely accessible to anyone on their website.

There is nothing super especial as many would expect. Basically the software is made to help the casino staff and management to do their job more efficiently.

It collects data on winning numbers, dealer miss spins, determines the speed of the ball, tells when to announce no more bets, determines the ball direction and where the ball drops of etc.

In online live dealer studios, I guess everything is much more controlled and that's why I prefer to play in real casinos or online where the game is streamed in real-time from a casino floor.

In real land-based casinos, I don't think Pit Boss can do much about it if a dealer throws the ball into one section. If a dealer brings big loses, In many cases, they just sack a dealer and get a new one.

Often I was playing in Grosvenor casino in Leicester Square and will never forget one Chinese guy who was on the same table with me. He was playing with £25 chips and me with £5.

He always played on the same 4-5 numbers of Voisin's section plus 4-5 numbers on Tiers and his total bet on every round was roughly 1-1.5K - the guy was literally losing on every spin by targeting 12, 7, 35, 29.

On the following spin, he placed £200 on number 7, the dealer threw the ball and in it landed on 7...

The dealer collected chips and paid his winnings but the Chinese guy didn't take the £200 off the number 7 and the dealer landed the ball on 7 again...

On the third time, everything happened exactly as on the 2nd one!!!

And on the 4th time, the dealer landed the ball on the number 12 which was also covered with £200 and is the neighbour of 7.

The where lots of casino staff around including Pit Boss and managers all congratulating him and at the same time panicking...

After that day I never have seen that dealer again.

So it's no matter how hard a dealer tries to avoid hitting a players sector - the result might be completely opposite!
 

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I'm not sure. The level of monitoring for online live dealer games far exceeds anything that land based casino can do, however the roulette wheels produced by TCS John Huxley and Cammargh are used in both, and they come equipped with monitoring software, which I assume can be used by the land based casinos. However one of the roles of the Pit Boss is to monitor results, so if a dealer is hitting the same sections of the wheel or favouring the same range of numbers it will be noticed and a word will be had.


Information regarding John Huxley wheels and their features are freely accessible to anyone on their website.

There is nothing super especial as many would expect. Basically the software is made to help the casino management to do their job more efficiently.

It collects data on winning numbers, dealer miss spins, determines the speed of the ball, tells when to announce no more bets, determines the ball direction and where the ball drops of etc.

In online live dealer studios, I guess everything is much more controlled and that's why I prefer to play in real casinos or online where the game is streamed in real-time from a casino floor.

In real land-based casinos, I don't think Pit Boss can do much about it if a dealer throws the ball into one section. If a dealer brings big loses, In many cases, they just sack a dealer and get a new one.

Often I was playing in Grosvenor casino in Leicester Square and will never forget one Chinese guy who was on the same table with me. He was playing with £25 chips and me with £5.

He always played on the same 4-5 numbers of Voisin's section plus 4-5 numbers on Tiers and his total bet on every round was roughly 1-1.5K - the guy was literally losing on every spin by targeting 12, 7, 35, 29.

On the following spin, he placed £200 on number 7, the dealer threw the ball and in it landed on 7...

The dealer collected chips and paid his winnings but the Chinese guy didn't take the £200 off the number 7 and the dealer landed the ball on 7 again...

On the third time, everything happened exactly as on the 2nd one!!!

And on the 4th time, the dealer landed the ball on the number 12 which was also covered with £200 and is the neighbour of 7.

The where lots of casino staff around including Pit Boss and managers all congratulating him and at the same time panicking...

After that day I never have seen that dealer again.

So it's no matter how hard a dealer tries to avoid hitting a players sector - the result can turn out completely opposite!
 
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Information regarding John Huxley wheels and their features are freely accessible to anyone on their website.

There is nothing super especial as many would expect. Basically the software is made to help the casino staff and management to do their job more efficiently.

It collects data on winning numbers, dealer miss spins, determines the speed of the ball, tells when to announce no more bets, determines the ball direction and where the ball drops of etc.

In online live dealer studios, I guess everything is much more controlled and that's why I prefer to play in real casinos or online where the game is streamed in real-time from a casino floor.

In real land-based casinos, I don't think Pit Boss can do much about it if a dealer throws the ball into one section. If a dealer brings big loses, In many cases, they just sack a dealer and get a new one.

Often I was playing in Grosvenor casino in Leicester Square and will never forget one Chinese guy who was on the same table with me. He was playing with £25 chips and me with £5.

He always played on the same 4-5 numbers of Voisin's section plus 4-5 numbers on Tiers and his total bet on every round was roughly 1-1.5K - the guy was literally losing on every spin by targeting 12, 7, 35, 29.

On the following spin, he placed £200 on number 7, the dealer threw the ball and in it landed on 7...

The dealer collected chips and paid his winnings but the Chinese guy didn't take the £200 off the number 7 and the dealer landed the ball on 7 again...

On the third time, everything happened exactly as on the 2nd one!!!

And on the 4th time, the dealer landed the ball on the number 12 which was also covered with £200 and is the neighbour of 7.

The where lots of casino staff around including Pit Boss and managers all congratulating him and at the same time panicking...

After that day I never have seen that dealer again.

So it's no matter how hard a dealer tries to avoid hitting a players sector - the result might be completely opposite!
Dealers have patterns and unique 'styles' whereby they'll spin the same spin speed & technique etc

I've seen some crazy croupiering and some snails-paced shenanigans from others where you just want to barge the dealer out of the way and 'liven up' their routine :eek2:

Also, dealers don't get sacked :p just asked politely to 'take a break', as one glances across the floor at the two Pit Bosses standing in unison, arms folded......

But I can say categorically that during my dealing days my left-handed Roulette routine was to die for, in a slapstick, Keystone Cops kind of way
 

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I remember well, one punter covering 26 "to the max" - £25 straight up, £50 per split, £100 per corner and so on, along with 1K per even chance and £500 centre column, third dozen.

"I simply have to hit this to piss off the grumpy, arrogant manager" I thought. Using all my 'skills' I got the wheel just to the right speed, perfect release and BOOM! "26 Black" I proudly announced.

IIRC paid about 15K, which to our small,single, none chain casino was a huge amount to pay out, remember this was back in 1998!

Pit boss, manager x 2 along with several other nosy punters surrounded my table.

"Now for the double" I thought....

There was this misguided conception at the time, if you picked up the ball and spun immediate, hard and fast you could get the ball roughly in the same section of the wheel so I tried this, low and behold, straight back in 26!

I smiled at my manager to be met with the worse grimace and scowl I have ever received, lifetime!

"Fuck you" I thought to myself, I'm going for the triple. Got it close (32) but alas my fun was over.

I've never been sent to the staff room so quickly and again IIRC, spent the rest of the shift dealing card games lol.

True story!
 

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Dealers have patterns and unique 'styles' whereby they'll spin the same spin speed & technique etc

I've seen some crazy croupiering and some snails-paced shenanigans from others where you just want to barge the dealer out of the way and 'liven up' their routine :eek2:

Also, dealers don't get sacked :p just asked politely to 'take a break', as one glances across the floor at the two Pit Bosses standing in unison, arms folded......

But I can say categorically that during my dealing days my left-handed Roulette routine was to die for, in a slapstick, Keystone Cops kind of way

Where were you allowed to exercise or practice your ball throwing skills, did you have your own roulette wheel at home or where practising at your workplace?

I know for sure that one of the best tricks to win on real casino roulette was to go to a casino before the noon when no players around.

The first step was to observe dealers behaviour and determine the one that stands there on his own and tries to hit a certain sector of the wheel (from my experience, it's the sector where 0 is).

If such a dealer is determined, the next step is to jump on the roulette machine - choose a table with that dealer and throw some bets on Voisins. ;)
 

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Where were you allowed to exercise or practice your ball throwing skills, did you have your own roulette wheel at home or where practising at your workplace?

I know for sure that one of the best tricks to win on real casino roulette was to go to a casino before the noon when no players around.

The first step was to observe dealers behaviour and determine the one that stands there on his own and tries to hit a certain sector of the wheel (from my experience, it's the sector where 0 is).

If such a dealer is determined, the next step is to jump on the roulette machine - choose a table with that dealer and throw some bets on Voisins. ;)
We had a month's in-house 'training', which basically meant being shunted into the dank, forlorn 'Practice Room' where we got to spin away merrily like demented monkeys
 

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Was thinking that the way to play Evolution Live Roulette was to just play Zero all the time. The percentage is always higher than normal - quite often at 8%. :) That's on the most popular table.
 

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It is common knowledge that Evolution roulette and anything Evolution for the matter are a fraudulent operation. They are assigning a number to you for the first time you play them when you will also win even if you bet on a single number, this number is following you for life, if you lose at a casino and then change for another they know, this is why you can't get ahead and you run in impossible losing patterns. This number is tied to your name and other data, you cannot evade Evolution fraud. Only they decide how much you are allowed to win to don't make the fraud obvious. I have been there and I know, you can desperately change the casinos, you can bet on the whole table leaving a number out, you can switch to blackjack, they know you are you trying to run and make a buck but cannot hide. If you dare to take a break from roulette then you get random roulette related emails to get you back in, if you unsub you get even more.Actually is recommended that you change the casinos, they will think you smelled something and let you win a bit. The magnitude of this fraudulent operation is astonishing, you cannot fight Maltese mafia.
 

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Of course the moment I mention how the Evolution scam is working my message is pending moderation. How convenient. Suppressing information with the hope won't reach people. I do wonder what were the alarm words on this Forum, evolution and fraud in the same post? If I knew I would have wrote ev0lution. Still a fraud. If you don't approve my posts then you can ban me.
 
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