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End Of UK Bonuses? Wagering Reqs Banned!

I think people are not aware of how good this actually is.

I mean for us people who have already signed upto most casinos online and used pretty much all of the welcome offers available. We wont really see it unless we get ongoing promotions at the few casinos we seldom play at.

Like for example VS. They dont offer match bonuses as promotions. They do have a welcome offer but they do not give them out every week or month like others do.

Leovegas on the other hand seldom do match bonuses for their regular loyal players. They used to do them about once a week then they made them once every 2 weeks. Then once a month but now they seem to be happening like once every 3-6 months. Like I had one for the first time from them about 5 days ago ish. And before that must have been at least 5 months.

So yeah the only people that will see the benefit is the new players to the said casinos who enforce the new standards set out by the UKGC. I mean I just hope it wont mean the end of the match bonuses because I do like to take them on occasion when I get them, Or find a new casino with a nice one and not to steep wagering requirements or rules attached to them like max cashout etc etc. But I never ever deposit in those casinos with max cashout rules anyway as I find that as to roguish.

They should though take notice of Leovegas and Slotty Vegas bonus rule where you play with your real money first. And if you win with that you can then just withdraw. And in turn that then forfeits your bonus money.

This model is a good model and I always thought other casinos should follow suit, but they never did.

But either way it is going to be an interesting few months to see what casinos come up with now though :)
 
if it gives less play time I don't think it's a good thing as I enjoy playing for longer.
Don't get me wrong it's great if you win but I also enjoy the time spent wagering.
I wonder if it will cause problems along the way
 
paulcr said:
Has 32red's dish of the day match already gone. I could only see some free spins and even then it doesn't say how many you get or how much you need to deposit.
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Today's Dish of the Day is...
...Deposit for Free Games on Lost Vegas
Deposit between £20 and £49 for 20 Free Games
or
Deposit £50 or more for 50 Free Games
 
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Am I the only one who enjoys real money tied in to wagering ? Sure its nice to play on real cash and withdraw if you get a huge win but most of the time if I get a moderate win I want tokeep playing but if it's real money I then feel bad if I lose it , Whereas if its tied into wagering I know I have to continue playing so theres no worries about whether I should stop and cashout :p I have longer and more enjoyable gambling sessions with the occasional big cashout if I complete wagering
 
Well.. slotsmagic will struggle with this then, they've gone soo downhill latelty anyway with their constant bonus updates. I received this around New Years.

"If you receive Free Spins in conjunction with a deposit offer or purchase Free Spins using your Real Money balance you must play the free spins before playing with your available funds (Real Money and Bonus Balance alike). Failure to comply with this may result in any winnings being removed."

In addition to these latest ones, note the 60x wagering!

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  • Any winnings accrued playing Free Spins offers will be added to your account as a Bonus.
  • Unless stated otherwise in the promotion offer, Bonuses (including winnings from Free Spins) given with a deposit offer carry a wagering requirement of thirty (30) times the total amount, e.g. If you deposit €10 and obtain a €10 bonus, you would have to wager 30 times the aggregate amount, in this case being €20 (deposit + bonus). If a Bonus (including winnings from Free Spins) is not awarded as a part of a deposit offer Or if the total bonus amount (from bonuses and Free Spins winnings) is greater than the deposit amount made to claim the offer, the offer will carry a wagering requirement of sixty (60) times on the bonus amount only.
  • Standard wagering terms: bets placed in any game except Slots and Scratch games do not count towards the wagering requirements.
  • Mixed wagering: 10% of bets placed in non-Slots or Scratch games count towards your wagering requirements.
  • Special Mixed wagering: 50% of bets placed in non-Slots and Scratch games count towards your wagering requirements. Special Mixed wagering is only available on special occasions and to players of certain statuses. "
 
This is good news if the casinos respond to it in a positive manner and not find new and more inventive ways of screwing the player. I do like bonuses but most of my deposits go to Videoslots. Bonuses have gotten far too complicated over the last few years. I do like the Betat, Vera John and Slotty deposit bonus structure and would like to see more casinos adopting this option. I don't like the extra spins deposit bonuses because for some reason I never win very much on those and some casinos have huge wrs attached to them so cashing them out is very difficult.

Anyway it will be interesting to see how it impacts the rest of Europe. I will say one thing though if bonuses do go away then many casinos will go out of business unless the step up their game with cashout times and player loyalty.
 
Bonuses needed simplifying for the longest time, thank God we're finally getting that. I've said a reboot is in order.....but as mentioned above, I fear casinos will find other, devious ways of catching the player out. So they don't use percentage bonuses but swap them with the equivalent value free spins and tie some terms around that somehow.

Casinos will always be that one step ahead of the UKGC because of the time it takes for them to respond. Casino T&Cs can be altered in mere minutes :cool:
 
I think this is a great move - especially given the appearance of no-bonus casinos...
Casinos can legally hide behind T'c and C's, but they are becoming so complex and convoluted that it's hard for people on here to follow who have years of experience, let alone new players who don't have a clue...
 
Lincolnuk said:
No hardship. Email from spin casino theres as been changed
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Well it is good that some casinos are now starting to change their terms for UK players be it in a good way or bad way!

Did they give any details of what the new bonus structure will be for UK players?
 
theapple said:
nooooo what does that mean for places with really nice, tidy and clear bonus rules like ... slotsmagic?

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they only have 50 terms, well they have more because theres stuff like 45.1, 45.2 etc

its so simple and really easy to understand so im unsure why would ukgc be against it?!?
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Ill post this bit you may understand it better than me.

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In the name of liberty, we’re making some changes to our bonus system. We wanted to give you greater freedom in how use your bonus, and make the Spin Casino experience even better.

Without further ado, we’re pleased to introduce the new Freedom Bonus feature. Your balance will now be split into two parts – cash and bonuses.

The new display will mean you can now easily differentiate between your cash balance and bonus balance, giving you greater freedom over how you use each. We hope this will make your gaming experience more intuitive, more flexible and, ultimately, more fun.

The Freedom Bonus feature will be live on the Spin Casino website from 1st February. Make sure you look out for it.
 
Most will ignore this.
Some will go the betat/leovegas/slotsmillion route.
Some will go the bgo fairspins route.

That's how I see it.
 
Just got the heads up from Conor / at Trada that in the future for UK players they wont be able to offer bonuses with play though because of the changes coming.

Personally im not really phased by this. I would take a bonus if it was decent , but wouldnt go hunt for them. Majority of my degenerate addiction has been bonus free deposits.
 
Deeplay said:
Just got the heads up from Conor / at Trada that in the future for UK players they wont be able to offer bonuses with play though because of the changes coming.

Personally im not really phased by this. I would take a bonus if it was decent , but wouldnt go hunt for them. Majority of my degenerate addiction has been bonus free deposits.
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It's really not a big issue for most. You'll still have bonuses but two balances, happens in about 50% of casinos now anyway, it'll mean the end of the 32Red match-style deposits which rip your cash and turn it into meaningless fun mode credits until wagering is met in full. It also won't affect 'terminal cash' bonuses like Sunbets and Midaur offer, whereby your real-cash play earns a wager-free cash amount eventually. It won't affect cash 'feed in' bonuses like Trada and Virgin etc. have/had whereby the money is fed in to your balance in say £2 cash instalments. All in all I think it's a positive move. Unless you're a huge Dish Of The Day fan.
 
Deeplay said:
Just got the heads up from Conor / at Trada ....
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Hey guys,

The message itself wasn't meant for public view, as it is entirely speculative on my part for our VIP bonuses.
Absolutely no decision has been made with regards to bonuses yet at TradaCasino, we're waiting to see the lay the land.

Thanks,

Conor
 
Conor@Trada said:
Hey guys,

The message itself wasn't meant for public view, as it is entirely speculative on my part for our VIP bonuses.
Absolutely no decision has been made with regards to bonuses yet at TradaCasino, we're waiting to see the lay the land.

Thanks,

Conor
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Hi Conor,

when you say lay of the land, how long do you think it will be until things settle and real changes are made? And I don't mean specifically to yourselves at Trada, but the industry in general? A very rough estimate would be greatly appreciated.
 
Dutty said:
Hi Conor,

when you say lay of the land, how long do you think it will be until things settle and real changes are made? And I don't mean specifically to yourselves at Trada, but the industry in general? A very rough estimate would be greatly appreciated.
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Hey Dutty,

These new guidelines were sprung on us at very short notice - so we still don't fully understand the implications.

I would imagine all needs to be changed by February 28th if what I'm reading is accurate. We are still trying to figure out where to go from here and waiting on more information. I would imagine signup bonuses will be a thing of the past for a start.

When we know more we'll be able to provide more detail,

Rachel.
 
TradaCasino said:
Hey Dutty,

These new guidelines were sprung on us at very short notice - so we still don't fully understand the implications.

I would imagine all needs to be changed by February 28th if what I'm reading is accurate. We are still trying to figure out where to go from here and waiting on more information. I would imagine signup bonuses will be a thing of the past for a start.

When we know more we'll be able to provide more detail,

Rachel.
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No, SUBs that tie real money into bonus wagering will be a thing of the past if I read things correctly.
 
Already had a few email from sites changing how there Bonuses work. It seems a lot are going down the road of play your cash, if you loss it and want the bonus then the wagering kicks in.. Seems a fair road to me.
 
dunover said:
No, SUBs that tie real money into bonus wagering will be a thing of the past if I read things correctly.
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Yeah I would tend to agree with this view, I can't imagine sign up bonuses are going to disappear without a fight?

Lincolnuk said:
Already had a few email from sites changing how there Bonuses work. It seems a lot are going down the road of play your cash, if you loss it and want the bonus then the wagering kicks in.. Seems a fair road to me.
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I'm assuming these are the sites with strong reputations to uphold, but for the others what would actually happen to them if they did nothing? Would their licenses become revoked? How long would that take?
 
Dutty said:
Yeah I would tend to agree with this view, I can't imagine sign up bonuses are going to disappear without a fight?



I'm assuming these are the sites with strong reputations to uphold, but for the others what would actually happen to them if they did nothing? Would their licenses become revoked? How long would that take?
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Yes they are. The rest can cancel there bonuses or lose there licenses as if there not on here or caddell then there not on my rainbow list
 
It dont matter if a casino wants to fight this new ruling coming in, if it becomes a set requirment then UK facing casinos either comply or loose the license. And the more I think about it the more I feel it is a really positive change. How many posts have we read on here where players have been screwed out winnings because of some anal bonus term. Such as betting higher, or playing a disallowed game. Those days I hope soon will be gone. Many casinos have taken advantage of numerous conditions they attach.

Casinos will now need to evolve and find new ways to give incentives to players without the need to screw them over.

Videoslots are prime example of how you can structure good rewards without ass fucking the player and Trada with their cash back system. Its win win for every one - (aside from winning on a slot which is a whole other beast)
 
interlog said:
I take it that complimentary bonuses given by casinos as loyalty will be exempt as none of your own cash is tied up?
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Im not sure on that - but in the end maybe just maybe online casinos need to get it together like land based and if they want to comp a player / bonus a player they do just that as in cash drop in the account with no strings attached.
Same as if your playing land base in vegas for example. You dont get a comp and then have to play it through x amount of times. Its yours. And the reward is built in mostly based on previous play.

And thats what they will have to do to reward and keep loyal players or some variation on that. Casinos online always made out its so damn expensive to run and margins are small. Sure they are but is that not so also for land based ? yet they survive and thrive. This is a major wake up call for the UK gambling industry and much is going to change over the next year. Finally do online casinos who are legit mature and move away from all the awful tactics used. Next I hope the UKGC does away totally with the dreadful reverse periods some casinos employ like the once great 32red who are stuck in the dark ages.

Will be very interesting the next few months what concepts casinos find, and what regular mid to high roller players can expect in the way of no strings comps. The deposit bonus is all but dead. Thank god!
 
geordiecolin said:
Will Videoslots free roll battle entry terms be impacted by this ruling? Having a wagering target to reach before gaining entry to them surely must be under threat too?
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geordiecolin said:
Will Videoslots free roll battle entry terms be impacted by this ruling? Having a wagering target to reach before gaining entry to them surely must be under threat too?
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I doubt it, none of your money is tied up and subject to any wagering conditions, the freerolls are just a loyalty tool rather than a bonus.
 
colinsunderland said:
I doubt it, none of your money is tied up and subject to any wagering conditions, the freerolls are just a loyalty tool rather than a bonus.
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I get that,but by the same token your obliged and encouraged to commit to the wagering requirements in order to qualify for the free rolls. Some folk are able to qualify with the minimum £20 deposit but most have to deposit an indeterminate amount in order to reach the £500 wagering. Does the ambiguity of the wagering terms not fit under the same umbrella?
 
geordiecolin said:
I get that,but by the same token your obliged and encouraged to commit to the wagering requirements in order to qualify for the free rolls. Some folk are able to qualify with the minimum £20 deposit but most have to deposit an indeterminate amount in order to reach the £500 wagering. Does the ambiguity of the wagering terms not fit under the same umbrella?
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Would not imagine it will affect the free rolls in anyway. They are basically the same as wager £10 get 10 free spins like william hill does every day. Main thing is that you can still withdraw anything you win at any time and you are not tied into wagering.
 
paul7388 said:
Would not imagine it will affect the free rolls in anyway. They are basically the same as wager £10 get 10 free spins like william hill does every day. Main thing is that you can still withdraw anything you win at any time and you are not tied into wagering.
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But with a deposit x get x deal you know exactly how much it is costing you for the reward. With free roll qualifying you have no idea if it will cost you £20 or £200 before you qualify.
 
geordiecolin said:
But with a deposit x get x deal you know exactly how much it is costing you for the reward. With free roll qualifying you have no idea if it will cost you £20 or £200 before you qualify.
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William hill promotions quite often are not deposit based. They are like wager £10 on games get £10 bonus or 10 free spins. So its the same as it could cost you £10 or cost you nothing. Same with Paddy Power if you wager £50 in a week you get £5 free on Monday. Again the amount you need to deposit does not matter as its just a bonus for wagering that amount. No need to keep wagering to make a playthrough if you do not want.

Same as VS battles. Its a reward for playing through a certain amount. People have a choice if they want to wager that amount or not. But if they have won money they can withdraw it as it would not be tied up in the wagering.
 
paul7388 said:
William hill promotions quite often are not deposit based. They are like wager £10 on games get £10 bonus or 10 free spins. So its the same as it could cost you £10 or cost you nothing. Same with Paddy Power if you wager £50 in a week you get £5 free on Monday. Again the amount you need to deposit does not matter as its just a bonus for wagering that amount. No need to keep wagering to make a playthrough if you do not want.

Same as VS battles. Its a reward for playing through a certain amount. People have a choice if they want to wager that amount or not. But if they have won money they can withdraw it as it would not be tied up in the wagering.
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I hope that you are correct and we do not see deals such as I have mentioned becoming a victim of the changes. But given that Trada ( and presumably other casinos) are waiting upon clarification of how wagering is effected then I will remain unconvinced until it is all ironed out :thumbsup:
 
geordiecolin said:
I hope that you are correct and we do not see deals such as I have mentioned becoming a victim of the changes. But given that Trada ( and presumably other casinos) are waiting upon clarification of how wagering is effected then I will remain unconvinced until it is all ironed out :thumbsup:
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Hope they stay around.

I personally rarely take a bonus. Rather play with my own money.

But will take the bonuses like free spins with no wagering and William Hills bonuses for wagering certain amounts. Least with their bonuses if you have £50 balance and they give you £10 bonus only the £10 is tied up. The £50 you had is always available to do with as you please and as soon as you lose the £10 bonus i finished.

Like that unlike other sites where if you get £10 added all your money is then tied up till wagering is complete.

Personally think this whole carry on is getting a total joke.
 
paul7388 said:
Hope they stay around.

I personally rarely take a bonus. Rather play with my own money.

But will take the bonuses like free spins with no wagering and William Hills bonuses for wagering certain amounts. Least with their bonuses if you have £50 balance and they give you £10 bonus only the £10 is tied up. The £50 you had is always available to do with as you please and as soon as you lose the £10 bonus i finished.

Like that unlike other sites where if you get £10 added all your money is then tied up till wagering is complete.

Personally think this whole carry on is getting a total joke.
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I can't recall the last time I took anything less than a 100% bonus because the terms usually become even less attractive the smaller the % bonus is. What I think is even worse are the deals where you get 10 free spins in some pathetic slot for every £10 deposited. There is no guarantee that you win much from those free spins but your real money is now tied up in unreasonable wagering terms. I welcome these changes presuming that they eradicate those sort of terms
 
HI all, I also got the email from Spin Casino, Betway. Sounds good but... About four years ago i got the 5 scatters on Immortal Romance so, with just the five wilds to go for the gold screen, I occasionally deposit and hope at Dream Bingo (betway). Opened up Immortal and got 10 free spins, won just over a tenner and now I have over £300 worth of wagering before i can withdraw. Naively shocked!! Haven't even touched my real balance yet. Don't want to waste my morning with live chat so thought I'd check here first. Am I misinterpreting the new rules (it's early, yawn!) or am I just being conned? Thanks for any input.
 
Took a bonus Sunday at Mr Win, an EM site.

50% reload, £25 deposit, £12.50 bonus

Imagine my shock when (yes I should have checked first :o) I see total WR £1,500 (40 x D+B or 120xB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Now I don't min a challenge but c'mon this is the sort of BS that hopefully UKGC etc (if they get it right) should be/ are going to protect us from.

Plus side is I peaked at over £300 and after climbing Everest managed a £115 cash out, downside is they've pretty much lost me as a customer :(
 
mellody said:
HI all, I also got the email from Spin Casino, Betway. Sounds good but... About four years ago i got the 5 scatters on Immortal Romance so, with just the five wilds to go for the gold screen, I occasionally deposit and hope at Dream Bingo (betway). Opened up Immortal and got 10 free spins, won just over a tenner and now I have over £300 worth of wagering before i can withdraw. Naively shocked!! Haven't even touched my real balance yet. Don't want to waste my morning with live chat so thought I'd check here first. Am I misinterpreting the new rules (it's early, yawn!) or am I just being conned? Thanks for any input.
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You can cancel the bonus money won from freespins . You will lose that tenner but you will then be able to play on your real balance as normal
 
Jono777 said:
Took a bonus Sunday at Mr Win, an EM site.

50% reload, £25 deposit, £12.50 bonus

Imagine my shock when (yes I should have checked first :oops:) I see total WR £1,500 (40 x D+B or 120xB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Now I don't min a challenge but c'mon this is the sort of BS that hopefully UKGC etc (if they get it right) should be/ are going to protect us from.

Plus side is I peaked at over £300 and after climbing Everest managed a £115 cash out, downside is they've pretty much lost me as a customer :(
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I would have forefeited the bonus, there are a few EM sites that does this...Dragonara, Fantasino, JetBull(shit) where they give you 25% bonus so £25 but your deposit of say £100 carries x40 so bascially
you are adding £4000 wagering for the sake of £25 I hope this is what the UKGC is getting rid of it's fucking outrageous, LadyLucks is a great bonus every sunday although it's x50 if you dip into the bonus, at least you can cash out early if you win a decent amount!.
 
Cheers for the info electronic. Sadly with this particular casino you cannot forfeit, whole balance is converted to bonus funds upon deposit.

Stupid for a supposed 'pro' like me but as it was very similar setup to the old CL/Next/Wild SLots I figured the WR would maybe similar, how wrong was I lol :o
 
SlotGrinder said:
You can cancel the bonus money won from freespins . You will lose that tenner but you will then be able to play on your real balance as normal
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Thanks for your reply. It's a no go though! half an hour with live chat and a definitive no. You do the free spins, you accept the terms, end of. My bad assumption as to all Betway sites being covered by the Spin freedom bonus. Massive wagering here we come. Wish me luck!!
 
While i have naturally felt the pain of hitting early but losing to wr when cash funds are tied in i,would personally consider a smaller deposit than that i would have made without a bonus tied in if deciding to use an offer.
Could then be looked at as a cheaper way to have a punt for the same starting balance id normally have to spend to have the punt i planned on having.
Ofc the catch is the wr, but if i usually deposited around the 120 mark (thats around 100 more than i normally would lol) and decided one day i wanted a punt ... then opened up my email and found a 100% offer, id likely deposit 60 instead of 120 and play knowing at least i didnt deposit as much as i would have should i go on to lose.. then, maybe consider using the other 60 as a cash deposit if fuming at how bad the slots played during that session and i didnt get my fix lol.

Makes sense for low rollers in a way, as often id go on to wager a fair bit if i hit a big win using cash only deposits, meaning (as a low roller) alot of the time, due to enjoying the punt, half of the wagering amount when tied in - sometimes even all of it, was going to always be completed anyway, possibly all of it if a good run happened and i played for hours having fun with little damage to the increased bankroll.

and by being tied together - where wagering begins instantly, ive often cashed out while thinking well, id probably of played that long tbh if it was a cash deposit where the slots provided a similar experience due to my luck and the balance not flying down but luckily staying healthy for hours, so if i had used a tied bonus the bonus could be viewed as some extra free cash along with giving me more of a chance to hit a few big wins, at upto half the money i would normally otherwise have risked .

I know deposits without having bonuses tied in have their benefits obviously too, and that people have preferences, so im not trying to argue. but the wr is always pending with a none tied bonus until bonus balance is touched, and begins on a smaller starting balance if the player loses cash and dips into it, which can feel annoying occasionally in comparison - if say youve just spent the previous 7 hours playing on the cash balance with no decent big hit but the cash balance staying alive in play after those 7 hours of play time - to then finally have lost it the cashh balance, and now still have 8 hours of wagering to go, only with half of the entire balance you began with 7 hours previously.... where you could have destroyed the wr by a huge amount.

Ofc, it also depends on the slots state of generosity (and that we avoid alot of netents newer filth lol) :)
Just thinnkin out loud :)
 

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