End Of UK Bonuses? Wagering Reqs Banned!

[Lincolnuk]

Yeah I would tend to agree with this view, I can't imagine sign up bonuses are going to disappear without a fight?



I'm assuming these are the sites with strong reputations to uphold, but for the others what would actually happen to them if they did nothing? Would their licenses become revoked? How long would that take?

Yes they are. The rest can cancel there bonuses or lose there licenses as if there not on here or caddell then there not on my rainbow list

 

[Deeplay]

It dont matter if a casino wants to fight this new ruling coming in, if it becomes a set requirment then UK facing casinos either comply or loose the license. And the more I think about it the more I feel it is a really positive change. How many posts have we read on here where players have been screwed out winnings because of some anal bonus term. Such as betting higher, or playing a disallowed game. Those days I hope soon will be gone. Many casinos have taken advantage of numerous conditions they attach.

Casinos will now need to evolve and find new ways to give incentives to players without the need to screw them over.

Videoslots are prime example of how you can structure good rewards without ass fucking the player and Trada with their cash back system. Its win win for every one - (aside from winning on a slot which is a whole other beast)

 

[interlog]

I take it that complimentary bonuses given by casinos as loyalty will be exempt as none of your own cash is tied up?

 

[bebo67]

"Players will not be required to play multiple times before they can withdraw their own money."

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Love, love, LOVE this!

 

[Deeplay]

I take it that complimentary bonuses given by casinos as loyalty will be exempt as none of your own cash is tied up?

Im not sure on that - but in the end maybe just maybe online casinos need to get it together like land based and if they want to comp a player / bonus a player they do just that as in cash drop in the account with no strings attached.
Same as if your playing land base in vegas for example. You dont get a comp and then have to play it through x amount of times. Its yours. And the reward is built in mostly based on previous play.

And thats what they will have to do to reward and keep loyal players or some variation on that. Casinos online always made out its so damn expensive to run and margins are small. Sure they are but is that not so also for land based ? yet they survive and thrive. This is a major wake up call for the UK gambling industry and much is going to change over the next year. Finally do online casinos who are legit mature and move away from all the awful tactics used. Next I hope the UKGC does away totally with the dreadful reverse periods some casinos employ like the once great 32red who are stuck in the dark ages.

Will be very interesting the next few months what concepts casinos find, and what regular mid to high roller players can expect in the way of no strings comps. The deposit bonus is all but dead. Thank god!

 

[geordiecolin]

Will Videoslots free roll battle entry terms be impacted by this ruling? Having a wagering target to reach before gaining entry to them surely must be under threat too?

 

[colinsunderland]

Will Videoslots free roll battle entry terms be impacted by this ruling? Having a wagering target to reach before gaining entry to them surely must be under threat too?

Will Videoslots free roll battle entry terms be impacted by this ruling? Having a wagering target to reach before gaining entry to them surely must be under threat too?

I doubt it, none of your money is tied up and subject to any wagering conditions, the freerolls are just a loyalty tool rather than a bonus.

 

[geordiecolin]

I doubt it, none of your money is tied up and subject to any wagering conditions, the freerolls are just a loyalty tool rather than a bonus.

I get that,but by the same token your obliged and encouraged to commit to the wagering requirements in order to qualify for the free rolls. Some folk are able to qualify with the minimum £20 deposit but most have to deposit an indeterminate amount in order to reach the £500 wagering. Does the ambiguity of the wagering terms not fit under the same umbrella?

 

[paul7388]

I get that,but by the same token your obliged and encouraged to commit to the wagering requirements in order to qualify for the free rolls. Some folk are able to qualify with the minimum £20 deposit but most have to deposit an indeterminate amount in order to reach the £500 wagering. Does the ambiguity of the wagering terms not fit under the same umbrella?

Would not imagine it will affect the free rolls in anyway. They are basically the same as wager £10 get 10 free spins like william hill does every day. Main thing is that you can still withdraw anything you win at any time and you are not tied into wagering.

 

[geordiecolin]

Would not imagine it will affect the free rolls in anyway. They are basically the same as wager £10 get 10 free spins like william hill does every day. Main thing is that you can still withdraw anything you win at any time and you are not tied into wagering.

But with a deposit x get x deal you know exactly how much it is costing you for the reward. With free roll qualifying you have no idea if it will cost you £20 or £200 before you qualify.

 

[paul7388]

But with a deposit x get x deal you know exactly how much it is costing you for the reward. With free roll qualifying you have no idea if it will cost you £20 or £200 before you qualify.

William hill promotions quite often are not deposit based. They are like wager £10 on games get £10 bonus or 10 free spins. So its the same as it could cost you £10 or cost you nothing. Same with Paddy Power if you wager £50 in a week you get £5 free on Monday. Again the amount you need to deposit does not matter as its just a bonus for wagering that amount. No need to keep wagering to make a playthrough if you do not want.

Same as VS battles. Its a reward for playing through a certain amount. People have a choice if they want to wager that amount or not. But if they have won money they can withdraw it as it would not be tied up in the wagering.

 

[geordiecolin]

William hill promotions quite often are not deposit based. They are like wager £10 on games get £10 bonus or 10 free spins. So its the same as it could cost you £10 or cost you nothing. Same with Paddy Power if you wager £50 in a week you get £5 free on Monday. Again the amount you need to deposit does not matter as its just a bonus for wagering that amount. No need to keep wagering to make a playthrough if you do not want.

Same as VS battles. Its a reward for playing through a certain amount. People have a choice if they want to wager that amount or not. But if they have won money they can withdraw it as it would not be tied up in the wagering.

I hope that you are correct and we do not see deals such as I have mentioned becoming a victim of the changes. But given that Trada ( and presumably other casinos) are waiting upon clarification of how wagering is effected then I will remain unconvinced until it is all ironed out

 

[paul7388]

I hope that you are correct and we do not see deals such as I have mentioned becoming a victim of the changes. But given that Trada ( and presumably other casinos) are waiting upon clarification of how wagering is effected then I will remain unconvinced until it is all ironed out

Hope they stay around.

I personally rarely take a bonus. Rather play with my own money.

But will take the bonuses like free spins with no wagering and William Hills bonuses for wagering certain amounts. Least with their bonuses if you have £50 balance and they give you £10 bonus only the £10 is tied up. The £50 you had is always available to do with as you please and as soon as you lose the £10 bonus i finished.

Like that unlike other sites where if you get £10 added all your money is then tied up till wagering is complete.

Personally think this whole carry on is getting a total joke.

 

[geordiecolin]

Hope they stay around.

I personally rarely take a bonus. Rather play with my own money.

But will take the bonuses like free spins with no wagering and William Hills bonuses for wagering certain amounts. Least with their bonuses if you have £50 balance and they give you £10 bonus only the £10 is tied up. The £50 you had is always available to do with as you please and as soon as you lose the £10 bonus i finished.

Like that unlike other sites where if you get £10 added all your money is then tied up till wagering is complete.

Personally think this whole carry on is getting a total joke.

I can't recall the last time I took anything less than a 100% bonus because the terms usually become even less attractive the smaller the % bonus is. What I think is even worse are the deals where you get 10 free spins in some pathetic slot for every £10 deposited. There is no guarantee that you win much from those free spins but your real money is now tied up in unreasonable wagering terms. I welcome these changes presuming that they eradicate those sort of terms

 

[mellody]

HI all, I also got the email from Spin Casino, Betway. Sounds good but... About four years ago i got the 5 scatters on Immortal Romance so, with just the five wilds to go for the gold screen, I occasionally deposit and hope at Dream Bingo (betway). Opened up Immortal and got 10 free spins, won just over a tenner and now I have over £300 worth of wagering before i can withdraw. Naively shocked!! Haven't even touched my real balance yet. Don't want to waste my morning with live chat so thought I'd check here first. Am I misinterpreting the new rules (it's early, yawn!) or am I just being conned? Thanks for any input.

 

[Jono777]

Took a bonus Sunday at Mr Win, an EM site.

50% reload, £25 deposit, £12.50 bonus

Imagine my shock when (yes I should have checked first ) I see total WR £1,500 (40 x D+B or 120xB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Now I don't min a challenge but c'mon this is the sort of BS that hopefully UKGC etc (if they get it right) should be/ are going to protect us from.

Plus side is I peaked at over £300 and after climbing Everest managed a £115 cash out, downside is they've pretty much lost me as a customer

 

[SlotGrinder]

I rly hope bonuses don't go this way

20p spins I think so like 80% rld bonus . Can you imagine having £500 to chuck on a casino (with high wr) and wanting to click spin 2000 times at minbet stakes

 

[SlotGrinder]

HI all, I also got the email from Spin Casino, Betway. Sounds good but... About four years ago i got the 5 scatters on Immortal Romance so, with just the five wilds to go for the gold screen, I occasionally deposit and hope at Dream Bingo (betway). Opened up Immortal and got 10 free spins, won just over a tenner and now I have over £300 worth of wagering before i can withdraw. Naively shocked!! Haven't even touched my real balance yet. Don't want to waste my morning with live chat so thought I'd check here first. Am I misinterpreting the new rules (it's early, yawn!) or am I just being conned? Thanks for any input.

You can cancel the bonus money won from freespins . You will lose that tenner but you will then be able to play on your real balance as normal

 

[electronictonic]

Took a bonus Sunday at Mr Win, an EM site.

50% reload, £25 deposit, £12.50 bonus

Imagine my shock when (yes I should have checked first ) I see total WR £1,500 (40 x D+B or 120xB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Now I don't min a challenge but c'mon this is the sort of BS that hopefully UKGC etc (if they get it right) should be/ are going to protect us from.

Plus side is I peaked at over £300 and after climbing Everest managed a £115 cash out, downside is they've pretty much lost me as a customer

I would have forefeited the bonus, there are a few EM sites that does this...Dragonara, Fantasino, JetBull(shit) where they give you 25% bonus so £25 but your deposit of say £100 carries x40 so bascially
you are adding £4000 wagering for the sake of £25 I hope this is what the UKGC is getting rid of it's fucking outrageous, LadyLucks is a great bonus every sunday although it's x50 if you dip into the bonus, at least you can cash out early if you win a decent amount!.

 

[Jono777]

Cheers for the info electronic. Sadly with this particular casino you cannot forfeit, whole balance is converted to bonus funds upon deposit.

Stupid for a supposed 'pro' like me but as it was very similar setup to the old CL/Next/Wild SLots I figured the WR would maybe similar, how wrong was I lol

 

[mellody]

You can cancel the bonus money won from freespins . You will lose that tenner but you will then be able to play on your real balance as normal

Thanks for your reply. It's a no go though! half an hour with live chat and a definitive no. You do the free spins, you accept the terms, end of. My bad assumption as to all Betway sites being covered by the Spin freedom bonus. Massive wagering here we come. Wish me luck!!

 

[dunover]

Guys - watch this video of my latest session to see why separating cash from bonus can't come soon enough!!

 

[Nicola]

Good to see new videos again Dunover, I do miss them!

It's a shame, that would have made a nice cashout without all the wagering hassle.

 

[Dutty]

Guys - watch this video of my latest session to see why separating cash from bonus can't come soon enough!!

I didn't know about the bonuses not being tax deductible anymore, how do you think this will effect things?

 

[TheAddict]

While i have naturally felt the pain of hitting early but losing to wr when cash funds are tied in i,would personally consider a smaller deposit than that i would have made without a bonus tied in if deciding to use an offer.
Could then be looked at as a cheaper way to have a punt for the same starting balance id normally have to spend to have the punt i planned on having.
Ofc the catch is the wr, but if i usually deposited around the 120 mark (thats around 100 more than i normally would lol) and decided one day i wanted a punt ... then opened up my email and found a 100% offer, id likely deposit 60 instead of 120 and play knowing at least i didnt deposit as much as i would have should i go on to lose.. then, maybe consider using the other 60 as a cash deposit if fuming at how bad the slots played during that session and i didnt get my fix lol.

Makes sense for low rollers in a way, as often id go on to wager a fair bit if i hit a big win using cash only deposits, meaning (as a low roller) alot of the time, due to enjoying the punt, half of the wagering amount when tied in - sometimes even all of it, was going to always be completed anyway, possibly all of it if a good run happened and i played for hours having fun with little damage to the increased bankroll.

and by being tied together - where wagering begins instantly, ive often cashed out while thinking well, id probably of played that long tbh if it was a cash deposit where the slots provided a similar experience due to my luck and the balance not flying down but luckily staying healthy for hours, so if i had used a tied bonus the bonus could be viewed as some extra free cash along with giving me more of a chance to hit a few big wins, at upto half the money i would normally otherwise have risked .

I know deposits without having bonuses tied in have their benefits obviously too, and that people have preferences, so im not trying to argue. but the wr is always pending with a none tied bonus until bonus balance is touched, and begins on a smaller starting balance if the player loses cash and dips into it, which can feel annoying occasionally in comparison - if say youve just spent the previous 7 hours playing on the cash balance with no decent big hit but the cash balance staying alive in play after those 7 hours of play time - to then finally have lost it the cashh balance, and now still have 8 hours of wagering to go, only with half of the entire balance you began with 7 hours previously.... where you could have destroyed the wr by a huge amount.

Ofc, it also depends on the slots state of generosity (and that we avoid alot of netents newer filth lol)
Just thinnkin out loud