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Thanks Simmo, but to minimize the derail I am withdrawing from this thread.
OK, I did say that Tex and Bryan were "good friends", my bad. I should have left off the 'good' part. I was trying to make the point that the relationship between the two people was more than just ecogra/casinomeister. If Bryan says the relationship is just business, I stand corrected.Honestly lots0. You came on the thread and intimated that Bryan and eCOGRA were friends and that was the reason for Bryan's comments. You can't expect everyone connected here to go "oh yeah, of course".
Not a 100%. I have unsubstantiated reports about Scott Tom working in Ap's Costa Rica offices, they may be unsubstantiated but I personally trust the source.are we 100% sure that the original perpetrators/beneficiaries of the crime are still involved in the operation? That seems to me to be the main issue here and I've heard conflicting reports. Does anyone have conclusive proof one way of the other? Speaking personally that's a key factor for me: if they are, then I'd question whether the eCOGRA involvement is the right course of action. If they aren't, then it makes sense.
Not a 100%. I have unsubstantiated reports about Scott Tom working in Ap's Costa Rica offices, they may be unsubstantiated but I personally trust the source.
Besides... who owns Absolute Poker... Isn't it still Joe Norton with a new company?
From where I stand, ecogra should be demanding that AP come clean and allow an independent investigation to take place and the results be published.Pass.
Eh? Where in the heck did this come from?lots0 said:Your saying that Bryan did not know Tex before ecogra and had no contact with her at all before ecogra???? I think your the one that needs to get your facts straight.
Try not to be so negative! - it's not good for your health.From where I stand, ecogra should be demanding that AP come clean and allow an independent investigation to take place and the results be published.
But what I see is ecogra...actually promoting Absolute Poker, by becoming involved and allowing AP to publicize their connection to ecogra, while helping the guilty to get away with theft by ignoring past events.
If ecogra demanded AP come clean, we would know for sure if those involved are still there... but that won't happen now will it?
Try not to be so negative! - it's not good for your health.
Onward - it's tough when one tries to do good for what one thinks is good for the player. What do we want? A safe environment for joe player? Do we want lists of warnings and punishments? Do we want to give companies second chances or room to improve? It's tough.
I can relate back a few years ago when I agreed with Virtual Casino to accept and try to resolve complaints that came via them. I had them place a link on their sites for the complaint form, and it seemed like a good thing because I was really trying to help these folks get it together, and of course giving the players assistance when or if they needed it.
Hell, I was crucified by quite a number of people, some of whom are members here, and it was frustrating to say the least. I had done nearly the same thing for Warren Cloud and his Crystal Palace group - trying to give someone a chance and hoping for a safer playing field. Again - I was personally lambasted by quite a few players - they didn't understnad what I was trying to do.
But my situation was much simpler - it was me going at this alone. Here we have eCOGRA which answers to a board of directors and who may or may not understand or see the same thing that you or I do. Their decision making processes are a bit more complicated even though we have basically the same long term goal.
I believe they are trying to do the right thing - they are scrutinizing a poker room that had been embraced with scandal. This should be a good thing if you can look beyond the "endorsement" debate.
Eh? Are you unable to debate anything without getting upset? This is the umpteenth time you've quit the forum because you don't like what other people say. They have just as much as a right as you do to express their opinions. And opinions should be expressed with a certain amount of objectivity - something that you seem challenged with.Wow I thought this was supposed to be a player advocate forum... not a justification of scumbaggery forum.
This forums history of constant support for ecogra no matter what ecogra does makes me sick and I can't deal with it anymore.
I'm taking my nasty ass out of here... for good.
That should make a few people happy.
Your way out of line max...
There was a legitimate question there, no matter if you like the question or not. Bryan let everyone know what he considers his relationship with ecogra to be in his last post. I have no reason not to believe him. But I do think that your down playing the relationship a bit much... Wasn't it Tex that helped to get Bryan started in this business?
As far as the getting "thumped" statement, I was referring the the last time I got a "time out" here(thumped) it was because of my opinion/statements on ecogra.
Now max would you mind if we get back to the subject?
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Two things I would like to address.
1. The idea that Fines and penalties were paid by Absolute Poker for getting caught cheating.
First.. Who leveled the fines in the first place? Wasn't it Joe Tokwiro Norton Chief of the Kahnawke Tribe(at the time)?
Who paid the fines... wasn't it Joe Tokwiro Norton, the owner of Absolute Poker?
So Joe Tokwiro Norton, sole owner of Tokwiro Enterprises and Chief of the Kahnawke Indian Tribe, actually fined himself and then paid the fines to himself by moving the money from one pocket to another...
He must have really learned his lesson...
2. I keep hearing this idea that because Absolute Poker is now being 'watched' they would not dare to cheat... Hogwash.
If that logic were correct then there never would have been a cheating scandal at Ultimate Bet, right after the same people got caught cheating at Absolute Poker.
After all they are both owned and ran by the same people. Weren't they being closely watched right after they were caught cheating at Absolute Poker??? Yet they still went ahead and stole millions at Ultimate Bet...
We are talking about the same people who would not cheat because they are being so closely watched now... Hogwash. These people are daring someone to catch them...
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What I say here, is not going to make any difference to ecogra, they have already made their decision to support these thieves and others have decided to back them...
But I just wanted this on the record, so it didn't look like the entire industry is going along with this and even though some time has passed... some of us have not forgotten what really took place and that justice has NEVER been served up to the players, the public or the cheaters.
And to be honest there are only two reasons I can think of why ecogra would get involved with Absolute Poker at all...
1. A major BrainFart in ecogras management and now they can't think straight.
2. A lot of money.
So I ask all of you to take the eCogra announcement for what it's worth.
The site has been accredited for a reason.
Absolute Poker - if that is the site you're referring to and not eCogra - is not accredited at this site. As it states in the Rogue Pit "Unknown - Kahnawake - Cheating - poker room".
Do you think the world's richest sportsman would risk his marriage, his clean reputation and future career by having affairs with porn actresses?Do you really think 'the best no limit hold 'em player in the world' would be associated with an unscrupulous site?
Do you think the world's richest sportsman would risk his marriage, his clean reputation and future career by having affairs with porn actresses?
Do you think the world's richest sportsman would risk his marriage, his clean reputation and future career by having affairs with porn actresses?
A negative reputation from you is really going to hurt me.Good thing the 'reputation' feature has an 'I disapprove' option to deduct reputation points when someone makes an ignorant insulting comment.
A negative reputation from you is really going to hurt me.
I recently took a 100% instant deposit bonus at AP and played a few MTT's ranging from $1 to $10 entry. Compared to PokerStars and FullTilt, AP seems to have a lot of young players (i.e under 18) and pokerbots. In fact I sent information to AP support regarding 2 suspect players but never heard back from them.
Regardless of anything that may have occured in the past, I felt like I was playing with mostly thugs and con artists - certainly not 'gentlemen'.
Really? ....so I assume that the players at PokerStars or FullTilt give you a warm fuzzy welcome when you sit at a table there?
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