Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works

[paul7388]

Well that's £500 breached, all low-rolling at 20p/25p spins from a £150 deposit, and after the better part of 20 hours of solid play.

Once again I am unable to find any evidence whatsoever of slots being bent/gimped/rigged/compensated etc.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, overall you're going to lose your money slowly over time at a rate dictated by the house edge, but good extended sessions and solid wins are still entirely possible.

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Lol most of the time I disagree with your posts and you definitely have different views from me.

But must say I know times have changed . And I know RTP has reduced drastically across the board.

But like yourself I still get plenty of playtime for my money. And I get plenty of good sessions tho after a few hours I have had enough and withdraw the balance.

I deposit small normally £20 or so at a time and often leave with profit. Some sessions I bust quick other ones I play for few hours and make decent withdrawals.

Pretty much the same as inhave always done in 25 plus years gambling online.

Think it all comes down to what sort of slots you play and at the sites.

Take Bet365 for instance. Only played there a few times and net profit is £385.

Lottomart I have only played a couple years and not main site either. Net profit is £745. Total deposits £5855 withdrawals £6600.
Had a major surprise when checking my VS figures just there but guessing they must be correct. VS had bever been my main site but net profit is £7153. Total deposits only £10,083 withdrawals £17,236

Even couple of weeks ago signed up at Monopoly Casino only because Jackpotjoy send email offering sign up bonus. £20 deposit few hours play and £200 withdrawal and as don't think I'll ever play there again happy with that.

But bookies sites all time I know for fact I will be running at huge losses but I've played them for 25 years and also all the sports bets.

Point is I have had as many good sessions in last couple of years as ever. Had plenty of good sessions with long playtime also had sessions where bust in minutes.

But I will also remember some of the bad sessions I had many a year ago. Literally hundreds on minimum stake rattled throught the original LOTR's with no bonus. Also had the same sort of session on many a game and that was in the supposed good old days.

But I gambled way more back then. Remember emptying my bank of thousands playing Dolphin tale of all slots. So stupid but ended up hitting a few wins and doing high bets on few other slots and somehow ended up in profit at 5 in morning. Felt so sick lol and had to go to work an hour later. Crazy days but was young and grew up so wouldn't gamble like that again. Same as when young I'd blow wage in the bookies soon as I got it . But that was when had no responsibilities nowadays I gamble less even tho have more money coming in.

Anyway like I said chopley disagree with you many a time but I agree that to me depending where you play and what sort of slots I have same luck as 20 years ago.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So here's what an extended session on King Of Cats looks like.

In the end it took a bit of money off me but I'm still in a position to withdraw £400, which is what I think I'll do, even I feel all slotted out at this point

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EDIT - Withdrawal approved within 10 minutes, can't argue with that at 10:30pm on the Sunday of a bank holiday weekend.
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King Of Cats is a good slot, I like both the features and the basegame can generate a bit of action too.

The first couple of features paid well, but after that it was a far rockier proposition, as you can see from the list below, as before, the number at the end of the file name is the pay by multiplication of stake.

Feature frequency came in at 1/216.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So Spawny.

Lifetime RTP at VS

Nothing special going on. I've just slowly lost money over time according to the house edge, same as everyone else.

 

[Jono777]

Lifetime RTP at VS

Nothing special going on. I've just slowly lost money over time according to the house edge, same as everyone else.

That's the trouble though mate, it is not the same.

To be open and honest from the stats / evidence you share on here YOU seemed to be getting what it "says on the tin" however to say it is the same as everyone else is simply not correct as there are not just one or two anymore, there are LOTS of members complaining (yes granted without evidence) that they/we do not get the scenario you describe.

Surely we're not ALL wrong or liars or dumb wits

Me personally, as I've posted on here over the years TOO MANY times am "happy" to lose as it is to be expected, problem is it is not SLOWLY anymore, in most cases it gives the feeling that casino 'x' is borderline going bust and needs my deposit as fast as possible to stay in business.

Take my money with pleasure but give me some enjoyment first!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Lifetime RTP at VS

Nothing special going on. I've just slowly lost money over time according to the house edge, same as everyone else.

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Sessioning a BTG game for just a couple of days and hitting over 1000x in such a short space of time IS fucking spawny.

Trust me I know.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Try playing every week Choppers! Not once every couple of months if you want a true understanding of how slots are now

I remember playing on the Jackpot Party site in the early 2000's and even remember saying hi to yourself in the chatroom on there. I believe your username was ChopleyIOM on there as well.

That Bruce lee game that I, you, and many others used to play on jackpot party isn't the same game these days even though they have re released it with the same RTP.

Its a totally different game now. Just like Montezuma Ragin Rhino etc. Re released with the same rtp but don't PAY or PLAY anything remotely like they used to. Not even remotely close.


If you play slots a lot more frequently like most of us on here, (Not Suggesting You Should lol) then you will soon see and understand what everyone is talking about in regards to slots being gimped, compensated, etc.

Having a winning session and getting a decent RTP every few months, isn't enough to prove everyone else wears a tinfoil hat that claims slots are rigged.

Me personally I believe there random. But not in the way we all think random is!
Its not the same random as 10 balls in a bag, and you pick one out every time you click the spin button. There's a lot more going on in the background I truly am convinced.

I can totally understand were your coming from in that these things are regulated etc to maintain there fairness and RTP etc. But I just don't agree from what I have experienced.

Not trying to start a world war 3 debate on if slots are random or not.
Just wanted to give my 2 cents on the topic!

 

[YouTubeSlots]

For anyone that wasn't lucky enough to experience Jackpot Party Casino, here is a link to there youtube channel which is still not deleted and shows you how good the games were then. Funny how they all disappeared never to return. And those games that did return. Were never the same as they once were and feel like they were totally gimped in there re releases.

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Back when slots paid huge wins without bonus buys, had real reel strips that actually moved in real time and not just landed like some scripted scratch card event, they actually felt like slot machines every time you clicked the spin button.

And not like today were every slot machine feels like a scratch card emulator hidden behind the images of a slot machine.

How blessed we were back then compared to now. In terms of the quality of games we had.
Now its all about quantity.

Miss a month of slotting and you've missed about 45 new releases all as shit as each other. And maybe if your lucky, one or two are actually decent games.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's the trouble though mate, it is not the same.

To be open and honest from the stats / evidence you share on here YOU seemed to be getting what it "says on the tin" however to say it is the same as everyone else is simply not correct as there are not just one or two anymore, there are LOTS of members complaining (yes granted without evidence) that they/we do not get the scenario you describe.

Surely we're not ALL wrong or liars or dumb wits

Me personally, as I've posted on here over the years TOO MANY times am "happy" to lose as it is to be expected, problem is it is not SLOWLY anymore, in most cases it gives the feeling that casino 'x' is borderline going bust and needs my deposit as fast as possible to stay in business.

Take my money with pleasure but give me some enjoyment first!

Well like I said the other day Jono, you're a player at VS so why not just pull your stats on DoA for the last year, or whatever games you've played the most? If you've got into the realms of 10K spins on any single slot I very much suspect you'll be into the ballpark of T-RTP on it, although obviously volatile games like DoA can swing more from centre, especially if you're tipping money into the 94% iteration.

(I absolutely wouldn't go near DoA on a 94% RTP, even back in the 'good old days' of its 96% iteration I never managed a wildline on it, and I featured it regularly in my slots rotation and also in videos on my channel of my late night boozy sessions )

I'm not saying my stats are exhaustive proof or anything, but with respect I am pretty much the only one regularly bringing actual properly tracked stats to the table here at CM, and whenever I do so, they always check out about right within expected variance. I've been periodically doing it over in the Bonanza thread for quite some time now, as it allegedly goes from one 'gimped and robbing' version to another

 

[TheAddict]

If 10k should give ball park, why does BOD on 96% at 2 White hat Gaming casinos i would often play always show 92-95% monthly rtp , every damn time i have ever checked it?
Mentioned it before, "past 3 months 93% "past month 94%" . and the latest?...

For the past 2 years, whenever i looked at it, never once over 95. I reckon its taken more than 10k spins last month too


But more importantly. DOA has changed beyond recognition. Simple as.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

I just stick with Dead Or Alive 2,

Solid RTP above 96%.
3 different bonus rounds.

and capable of turning a few quid into absolute glory.

 

[TheAddict]

I just stick with Dead Or Alive 2,

Solid RTP above 96%.
3 different bonus rounds.

and capable of turning a few quid into absolute glory.

Unfortunately they never let people use bonus money with that game. Is why I'd play the original so much.
As you know,, it WAS one of the best games on the market for playtime - £50 bankrolls that could last for days on min stake, 10 hour sessions 3 days in a row, not uncommon, etc.. And many big hits amongst the sessions.
Now its £15 ph cost per session on a good day at min bet, and goodbye £1500 after giving up with no line inbetween.
FU evo.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Unfortunately they never let people use bonus money with that game. Is why I'd play the original so much.
As you know,, it WAS one of the best games on the market for playtime - £50 bankrolls that could last for days on min stake, 10 hour sessions 3 days in a row, not uncommon, etc.. And many big hits amongst the sessions.
Now its £15 ph cost per session on a good day at min bet, and goodbye £1500 after giving up with no line inbetween.
FU evo.

True, D.O.A 1 Sadly got hit with the html gimp nerfing like many other classics. I used to play it all the time before the 2nd version got released which in my opinion is way better then the first version.

Your right though, D.O.A 1 used to be a great game and you used to see wildline pictures being uploaded to this forum on the daily, Not so much with the gimped version.

I still don't get why on Videoslots D.O.A 1 and 2 still tease for the scatters.
But on all the other sites its just slams the 3 scatters in with no build up.

That shit pisses me off. And is the reason i try and play it on videoslots mainly

The reason I love D.O.A 2 so much rather then D.O.A 1 is because of the crazy multipliers wildline bonus obviously, But mainly for the train heist bonus round,

in my opinion this bonus round is slept on and forgot about because people just want a wildline.
The most underrated bonus round people need to stop sleeping on it and actually pick the train heist feature. You will have more success picking that one then picking the crazy high variance round which 9 times out of 10, its 9 dead spins and 2 - 3 wilds showing up if your lucky and you win sweet fuck all on toast with extra jam 90 percent of the time

The train heist feature often pays me 300 - 1000x range and is way more reliable and consistent.



Side note look what this game RANDOMLY did to me the other day!!!

8 spins left with this setup 1 PISSING wild needed on the bottom of reel 4 for epic glory cashouts.

And shock horror would you know it managed to hump me and randomly make sure it didn't put a wild were I needed it.

So scripted its comical!

This happened last month on Sky Vegas. Had like nearly 10 spins left to put the wildline in and it did the same horse shit then as well

Rigged I tell thee!!!! Oh what it could have been!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

True, D.O.A 1 Sadly got hit with the html gimp nerfing like many other classics. I used to play it all the time before the 2nd version got released which in my opinion is way better then the first version.

Your right though, D.O.A 1 used to be a great game and you used to see wildline pictures being uploaded to this forum on the daily, Not so much with the gimped version.

I still don't get why on Videoslots D.O.A 1 and 2 still tease for the scatters.
But on all the other sites its just slams the 3 scatters in with no build up.

That shit pisses me off. And is the reason i try and play it on videoslots mainly

The reason I love D.O.A 2 so much rather then D.O.A 1 is because of the crazy multipliers wildline bonus obviously, But mainly for the train heist bonus round,

in my opinion this bonus round is slept on and forgot about because people just want a wildline.
The most underrated bonus round people need to stop sleeping on it and actually pick the train heist feature. You will have more success picking that one then picking the crazy high variance round which 9 times out of 10, its 9 dead spins and 2 - 3 wilds showing up if your lucky and you win sweet fuck all on toast with extra jam 90 percent of the time

The train heist feature often pays me 300 - 1000x range and is way more reliable and consistent.



Side note look what this game RANDOMLY did to me the other day!!!

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8 spins left with this setup 1 PISSING wild needed on the bottom of reel 4 for epic glory cashouts.

And shock horror would you know it managed to hump me and randomly make sure it didn't put a wild were I needed it.

So scripted its comical!

This happened last month on Sky Vegas. Had like nearly 10 spins left to put the wildline in and it did the same horse shit then as well

Rigged I tell thee!!!! Oh what it could have been!

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It could be doing anything to the reelsets behind the scenes though, we already know that modern slots can and do have multiple reelsets for all sorts of different scenarios, in some of them it's almost comically obvious, like BTG's Rasputin when you get to the fully evolved reels, and because you can see so much of the reels, you can see quite clearly how BTG have engineered reels that can totally dick you over, completely randomly, simply by how they've constructed the reel strips.

I went back and rewatched my Bandicam of the feature where I got the fully evolved reels, and as the number of Megaways increased, I could see it fucking the reels every single time

Maybe DOA2 has something similar going on, and once a winline gets close to a wildline, it just swaps in a different reelset to make it vanishingly unlikely it lands. Or maybe you're watching a scripted sequence like in Jammin' Jars, which IMO would be pretty scummy. I suspect it's the former though.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

It could be doing anything to the reelsets behind the scenes though, we already know that modern slots can and do have multiple reelsets for all sorts of different scenarios, in some of them it's almost comically obvious, like BTG's Rasputin when you get to the fully evolved reels, and because you can see so much of the reels, you can see quite clearly have BTG have engineered reels that can totally dick you over, completely randomly, simply by how they've constructed the reel strips.

I went back and rewatched my Bandicam of the feature where I got the fully evolved reels, and as the number of Megaways increased, I could see it fucking the reels every single time

Maybe DOA2 has something similar going on, and once a winline gets close to a wildline, it just swaps in a different reelset to make it vanishingly unlikely it lands. Or maybe you're watching a scripted sequence like in Jammin' Jars, which IMO would be pretty scummy. I suspect it's the former though.

Yeah I agree they probably use different reel strips to make sure wilds are avoided once you get in a good position. I tend to believe that it knows its paying 60 quid and not 600 quid and that's why it was clever as to were it put any wilds in the remaining 8 spins to avoid me getting anything other then the 60 quid win.

B.T.G loves to just stack the 10's symbol on reel 2 blocking any megaways wins. It not only does it on rasputin but also on gold which is a very similar game if not the same to rasputin.

I don't believe these game don't know exactly what there paying you as soon as the bonus lands. The server will know the exact amount your getting as soon as the 3 scatters lands no matter what game your playing.

With D.O.A having 3 bonus options, I reckon it has 3 amounts pre determined based on which bonus round you choose to play out.

From then on its all about how it plays out your bonus round to get to which ever win amount it has already selected for you.

Its the same with secret of the stones. It doesn't matter what stones you pick the server knows how much its paying you and will reveal what ever picks it needs to get you to said amount.

I still cant believe people think oh if i would have picked that stone i would of got a wild reel etc.

Its all bollocks!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yeah I agree they probably use different reel strips to make sure wilds are avoided once you get in a good position. I tend to believe that it knows its paying 60 quid and not 600 quid and that's why it was clever as to were it put any wilds in the remaining 8 spins to avoid me getting anything other then the 60 quid win.

B.T.G loves to just stack the 10's symbol on reel 2 blocking any megaways wins. It not only does it on rasputin but also on gold which is a very similar game if not the same to rasputin.

I don't believe these game don't know exactly what there paying you as soon as the bonus lands. The server will know the exact amount your getting as soon as the 3 scatters lands no matter what game your playing.

With D.O.A having 3 bonus options, I reckon it has 3 amounts pre determined based on which bonus round you choose to play out.

From then on its all about how it plays out your bonus round to get to which ever win amount it has already selected for you.

Its the same with secret of the stones. It doesn't matter what stones you pick the server knows how much its paying you and will reveal what ever picks it needs to get you to said amount.

I still cant believe people think oh if i would have picked that stone i would of got a wild reel etc.

Its all bollocks!

On that particular point, in the videos I made about Jammin' Jars, I proved that 3Dice's slots don't generate the round result when you get the scatters, and that the server doesn't 'know' what the result is until the player has seen all the spins, because the server generates them one at a time and both the player and the server 'find out' what they are simultaneously.

Pick me bonus rounds however can (and should!) be pre-determined, mathematically it makes no difference and anything else is the gambler's fallacy. (Enzo from 3Dice wrote a really good essay about it here at CM, and he had all the maths to back it up.)

Direct timestamped link:

 

[Reelsoffun]

Maybe DOA2 has something similar going on, and once a winline gets close to a wildline, it just swaps in a different reelset to make it vanishingly unlikely it lands. Or maybe you're watching a scripted sequence like in Jammin' Jars, which IMO would be pretty scummy. I suspect it's the former though.

I would say almost with certainty that's if definitely doing one of those two things but could be weighted "wild" strips as well.

However Im sure I have seen a few sequences that were the same landing wilds, so I wouldn't rule out jammin style either unfortunately.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

On that particular point, in the videos I made about Jammin' Jars, I proved that 3Dice's slots don't generate the round result when you get the scatters, and that the server doesn't 'know' what the result is until the player has seen all the spins, because the server generates them one at a time and both the player and the server 'find out' what they are simultaneously.

Pick me bonus rounds however can (and should!) be pre-determined, mathematically it makes no difference and anything else is the gambler's fallacy. (Enzo from 3Dice wrote a really good essay about it here at CM, and he had all the maths to back it up.)

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True 3Dice may be different I will give you that.

But I know for a fact that secret of the stones is pre determined and ill explain why,

I used to play on Red Bet Casino like 10 years ago. So this will have been the old flash version of secret of the stones that I was playing at the time this occurred,

I triggered a bonus round with 4 scatters. And believe it or not, My computer gave me the bsod (Blue Screen Of Death) as I was about to pick my stones for the bonus round.

But upon restarting my P.C, the bonus round had vanished when I re loaded the game.

Long story short it took like 2 weeks for Red Bet Casino to get my stuck game round fixed, and credited my account with the winnings from the stuck bonus round.

It was on 50p stake and returned like £75 which they credited my account with.



How would they know what amount to credit for the stuck bonus round if the picks were not pre determined?


Because they are just that,

Pre determined.

Definitely in the case of secret of the stones.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Its the same with secret of the stones. It doesn't matter what stones you pick the server knows how much its paying you and will reveal what ever picks it needs to get you to said amount.

I still cant believe people think oh if i would have picked that stone i would of got a wild reel etc.

Its all bollocks!

A game like SOTS it would be the best way to mathematically control the feature value, with 3,4,5 picks on that many stones so many variables, but if you have a set combinations in a table you can work out the ave pay much easier and would potentially only need one reel set.

Leaving it totally random it could very much end up with no one ever picking the "perfect" setup and struggle to meet RTP, but again there is a slim possibility that it is true random choices, but unlikely.

But, and this is the problem with online slots, we the players don't know for sure how its done and I still maintain that this sort of thing should be explained in the game rules, and UKGC should grow a pair and make providers more transparent with this stuff, they wouldn't be giving the actual math profiles away which is always their reason for reluctance of being more transparent about how bonus rounds are played out.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ahhh here we are, I found Enzo's post about why it doesn't matter if pick-me rounds are pre-determined or not. Mathematically speaking it makes no difference whatsoever.

Has a change of thinking taken the fun away? - Page 2 - Casinomeister Forum

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The weekend arrives! I'm going to have another crack at King Of Cats. I'm down on it so far but I like the game, and having two bonus rounds to choose from helps keep things interesting (I just alternate between them).

Clash Of Spins wins + Weekend Booster + £150 deposit = £162.69p to play with. On my usual modest 20p spins as the idea is to ride out the variance to a decent hit, rather than try some kind of dramatic big smash and grab. (Unlike when I go to the pub, when I stuff £20 notes into the machine and do £2 spins, hoping for a quick hit, as you don't want to get too involved at those 92% pub payouts!)

1000x or bust, bring it on BTG!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think it's safe to say that BTG has comprehensively won this round.

813x stake lost.

Three hours of play. Two features which paid 65x and 8x. The second feature I waited an hour and a half for, and it paid 8x.

One base game 50x stop trigger, 74x.

Session RTP 57.27%.

The only good thing I can say about it is that I enjoyed playing Steamworld Heist 2 on my PS5 whilst King Of Cats shredded my bankroll. I'm not redepositing, it can fuck off now until next week.

 

[mack341]

That's the sort of btg trap you don't want to encounter after you've had a good win on another or other games, have a healthy balance and it rips it all.

50 spins is sometimes enough to give their games and then leave.

On william hill if you want to redeposit it reloads the game, there is no way of topping up and keeping a continuous session going (say on bonanza) while every other casino I play at lets you.

But strangely doing £5-8 deposits and playing on 20p, it can work in your favour because when it closes the game and then reloads a new start (as it were) you can find yourself having more luck than you were before.

Bonanza has certainly got an ability to bonus in the first 50 spins and then give you another, and a little deposit is just enough to get you there sometimes.

So on this cat's game, if you'd closed the game down after say a 50x loss with no bonus, and then restarted afresh you may have encountered a better version at some point, rather than a continuous play through of the whole 813x balance.

^^^hope this explanation makes sense!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

U can on mobile with hills definitely.

Make sure you got at least 1 credit worth left in your balance.

Not that it makes a difference of course.

 

[TheAddict]

Best advice for WH would be to make sure you never have above 0 credits in your balance

 

[mack341]

U can on mobile with hills definitely.

Make sure you got at least 1 credit worth left in your balance.

Not that it makes a difference of course.

That's what I've been using their mobile app, strange, there's like a till icon on bonanza, you press it and up comes the whill deposit process, but after the deposit is successful, the game then reloads fresh rather than just being able to rejoin the game, with the last spin result showing on screen.

Maybe it's just my system?? On the desktop version I could definitely redeposit and maintain a continuous game.

It was pissing me off as I generally like to play continuously after pausing to redeposit, but twice it's worked in my favour, when the game reloaded it was much kinder and swung me into profit land.

I liked to think of this as whill doing something inconvenient for the customer which then shoots themselves in the foot

This was on wwtbam (btg also) as well, but before the redeposit I was getting twatted.

Profit is hard to come by at whill, you have to eke something out on one of their few 96% slots remaining.

I was £35 down recently and got up over £200, 'Cleopatra plus' though did me (the rtp ranges on it from 92 to 96, I guess due to the progress aspect re the bonus) so that's on the banned list now.

 

[TheAddict]

I'm a weirdo in regards to the redeposit in game option. I never used it. I preferred to inconvenience myself by closing the game and going through the cashier. I don't know why tbh.
Maybe just the idea of getting used to the in game deposit option alerted a subconscious alarm that regular use could cause immense tilt one day, when knowing i should probably quit while I still have a pair of pants left, but banging the deposit button because its staring at me and whispering do it, do it, do it. So maybe I never gave myself the chance to go down that route.
Yeah, you're thinking it. You're allowed an opinion. Maybe I am indeed just a weirdo.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

That's what I've been using their mobile app, strange, there's like a till icon on bonanza, you press it and up comes the whill deposit process, but after the deposit is successful, the game then reloads fresh rather than just being able to rejoin the game, with the last spin result showing on screen.

Maybe it's just my system?? On the desktop version I could definitely redeposit and maintain a continuous game.

It was pissing me off as I generally like to play continuously after pausing to redeposit, but twice it's worked in my favour, when the game reloaded it was much kinder and swung me into profit land.

I liked to think of this as whill doing something inconvenient for the customer which then shoots themselves in the foot

This was on wwtbam (btg also) as well, but before the redeposit I was getting twatted.

Profit is hard to come by at whill, you have to eke something out on one of their few 96% slots remaining.

I was £35 down recently and got up over £200, 'Cleopatra plus' though did me (the rtp ranges on it from 92 to 96, I guess due to the progress aspect re the bonus) so that's on the banned list now.

Funnily enough I won about £80 on the Luton QPR game last night, laid out some bits for today and took the rest to Millionaire.

Obv did fuck all, so reloaded just trying to get 1 feature and then bin it, but ur right there was no way of staying in the game, I tried using both the deposit and the menu options and it still refreshed. That must be something fairly knew as the ‘return to William hill’ button use to take u back out to the game.

Anyway, regardless of that I was obv stuck with the ‘dead scatterless’ (Patent Pending) BTG reel set as the game took £200 to give a feature which of course lost on the 89% option down to the 1% option.

Another £150 later another feature finally arrives, gambled back down to 10 spins after a loss on 70% at 14 spins. Only to give a BTG special of 2X.

Had to walk with about a £300 loss in just over an hour on very modest stakes.

Because I rarely play slots at hills for obv reasons, BTG only of course, I will now no doubt get the email where I’m banned from all promos because they’ve noticed a change in my gameplay.

Bet 365 have done the same to me, I’ve been running very well over there in the last few months, and now I’ve been excluded from all the promotions. Not they do many but the free game each day after 5pm on the games site and the bet boosts have all gone. Presumably because of a spike in my gameplay. No 25 free spins on Friday either.

Wankers.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's the sort of btg trap you don't want to encounter after you've had a good win on another or other games, have a healthy balance and it rips it all.

50 spins is sometimes enough to give their games and then leave.

On william hill if you want to redeposit it reloads the game, there is no way of topping up and keeping a continuous session going (say on bonanza) while every other casino I play at lets you.

But strangely doing £5-8 deposits and playing on 20p, it can work in your favour because when it closes the game and then reloads a new start (as it were) you can find yourself having more luck than you were before.

Bonanza has certainly got an ability to bonus in the first 50 spins and then give you another, and a little deposit is just enough to get you there sometimes.

So on this cat's game, if you'd closed the game down after say a 50x loss with no bonus, and then restarted afresh you may have encountered a better version at some point, rather than a continuous play through of the whole 813x balance.

^^^hope this explanation makes sense!

Appreciate the input mack but TBH I've never bought into this notion of 'resetting your session' or starting a new session versus keeping an existing one going or anything like that, and you already know what I think about random online slots being compensated

My take on it is I've been playing with fire recently with these BTG games, and up until last night I'd been getting away with it, sooner or later HV slots are going to bite back (not through compensation but random chance) and that's what happened with King Of Cats yesterday.

It was quite an unedifying experience though, sometimes after a loss on a Friday I'll be minded to deposit again for Saturday evening but it's irritated me to the extent that I think I'll watch a film or something instead. Or maybe read a book.

 

[mack341]

Appreciate the input mack but TBH I've never bought into this notion of 'resetting your session' or starting a new session versus keeping an existing one going or anything like that, and you already know what I think about random online slots being compensated

My take on it is I've been playing with fire recently with these BTG games, and up until last night I'd been getting away with it, sooner or later HV slots are going to bite back (not through compensation but random chance) and that's what happened with King Of Cats yesterday.

It was quite an unedifying experience though, sometimes after a loss on a Friday I'll be minded to deposit again for Saturday evening but it's irritated me to the extent that I think I'll watch a film or something instead. Or maybe read a book.

I had an inkling my theory might not exactly be your cup of tea but you have mentioned games going into a hot streak iirc.

I think it's possible the reel set is randomly assigned upen loading up the game, and some are more weighted to be kind early and then tight if you stay too long, or the opposite tight with no bonuses, but if you can see out the dry spell it turns around. (The rtp would be exactly the same in the long run)

That is classic raging rhino, very rarely have I had a good first bonus, but have had so many recoveries on that game when things were looking bleak it's unbelievable, however the casinos frown upon long sessions for me now (even on minimum stake).

Had a look at that video game you mentioned, from clips on YouTube it looked good but different, I also like turn based games

 

[mack341]

Edit: fcked up there, two posts to chop when it was supposed to be 1

 

[mack341]

Funnily enough I won about £80 on the Luton QPR game last night, laid out some bits for today and took the rest to Millionaire.

Obv did fuck all, so reloaded just trying to get 1 feature and then bin it, but ur right there was no way of staying in the game, I tried using both the deposit and the menu options and it still refreshed. That must be something fairly knew as the ‘return to William hill’ button use to take u back out to the game.

Anyway, regardless of that I was obv stuck with the ‘dead scatterless’ (Patent Pending) BTG reel set as the game took £200 to give a feature which of course lost on the 89% option down to the 1% option.

Another £150 later another feature finally arrives, gambled back down to 10 spins after a loss on 70% at 14 spins. Only to give a BTG special of 2X.

Had to walk with about a £300 loss in just over an hour on very modest stakes.

Because I rarely play slots at hills for obv reasons, BTG only of course, I will now no doubt get the email where I’m banned from all promos because they’ve noticed a change in my gameplay.

Bet 365 have done the same to me, I’ve been running very well over there in the last few months, and now I’ve been excluded from all the promotions. Not they do many but the free game each day after 5pm on the games site and the bet boosts have all gone. Presumably because of a spike in my gameplay. No 25 free spins on Friday either.

Wankers.

I think you're right that it's a recent change, because when it was happening I thought I'm sure I've redeposited before and stayed in the game.

I believe the sneaky bastards have also fixed 'extra chilli' to a minimum of £1 a spin rather than 20p.

I couldn't quite believe my wwtbam session, I did one correct gamble each time so just the 10 spins, but on the last bonus it was a 75% chance and I had an hmmm feeling as the previous gambles were all successful, so just settled for the 8 spins.

I think my overall profit was £80, I didn't hang around at that point!

But cleopatra plus did me, 2 sessions it has taken £100 and £80 off me on 40p, and I've got all the bonus locations open, got me thinking that I've never seen anyone actually post a big win/screenshot on here from an IGT game!

 

[justdoit]

I played on new Sister casino of Videoslots MegaRiches lot of games are missing RTP 94% no Battel, and you need lot of points to get wheel rewards 10,000 xp for level 1, you do get some money back on friday

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Had a look at that video game you mentioned, from clips on YouTube it looked good but different, I also like turn based games

It's really good, I'm about 15 hours into it already and still got loads to do, only costs £24.99 as well, unlike King Of Cats which costs £150 for three hours of grinding tedium, disappointment and misery

 

[Guntis]

But strangely doing £5-8 deposits and playing on 20p, it can work in your favour because when it closes the game and then reloads a new start (as it were) you can find yourself having more luck than you were before.

Book of Dead is one of the games in which this often happens. Once you reload it, the slot starts afresh - otherwise, it can get 'stuck' and go without throwing 3 books for hundreds of spins - especially in cases when it jus gave two bonuses back to back. I bet that people who've played it a lot have noticed this too.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Book of Dead is one of the games in which this often happens. Once you reload it, the slot starts afresh - otherwise, it can get 'stuck' and go without throwing 3 books for hundreds of spins - especially in cases when it jus gave two bonuses back to back. I bet that people who've played it a lot have noticed this too.

But then surely you just reload the slot every 50 spins, it's more likely to bonus that way apparently, and congratulations, you've just created your own enhanced RTP version of Book Of Dead!

It's like over in the Bonanza thread someone claimed they could tell within 100 spins if a Bonanza session was going to be a winner or a loser, to which my answer was, 'Cool, I presume you're therefore posting this message from your luxury yacht moored at your private island in the Seychelles'.

There is literally no reason at all for slots to even remotely function on this sort of basis, whereby reloading it makes it 'more likely to pay' or anything else. The second the designers introduce any sort of player control, or player influence, anything at all that stops a game being a simple call to a server for a random result, is the second they've just designed a game that can be exploited.

 

[Guntis]

But then surely you just reload the slot every 50 spins, it's more likely to bonus that way apparently, and congratulations, you've just created your own enhanced RTP version of Book Of Dead!

It's like over in the Bonanza thread someone claimed they could tell within 100 spins if a Bonanza session was going to be a winner or a loser, to which my answer was, 'Cool, I presume you're therefore posting this message from your luxury yacht moored at your private island in the Seychelles'.

There is literally no reason at all for slots to even remotely function on this sort of basis, whereby reloading it makes it 'more likely to pay' or anything else. The second the designers introduce any sort of player control, or player influence, anything at all that stops a game being a simple call to a server for a random result, is the second they've just designed a game that can be exploited.

It won't work surely as a clock. But if you're well familiar with the game and have played both with and without reloading it, you may notice - though not everyone does - that when you reload the game as soon as it feels too 'cold', you often get a feature quite quickly.

Also, it's quite easy to tell on this slot whether to continue playing or leave - IF, in the first 100 spins, you mostly see only the smallest symbols connecting and one of the books typically landing on the last real without another 2.

Here i'm talking about a proper version with 96.21% RTP that was available on UK sites. Those others with lowered RTPs i only ever played a few times. It just felt like robbery right from the start lol.

 

[justdoit]

Book of Dead is one of the games in which this often happens. Once you reload it, the slot starts afresh - otherwise, it can get 'stuck' and go without throwing 3 books for hundreds of spins - especially in cases when it jus gave two bonuses back to back. I bet that people who've played it a lot have noticed this too.

I hade like 80p on my balance and this happen lol

 

[mack341]

When I briefly watched Nickslots for a time, he would open a game and then soon move on if he thought it was in 'dead' mode, it seemed to work well for him. He had his regular games, but he was probably doing less than a 100 spins on each.

I wouldn't say any system or observation is guaranteed, but sometimes it's better than having none.

I have definitely noticed some slot sessions present unnaturally barren gameplay at the start, no scatter teases or wins. It just feels too dead, and then 10 mins in a bonus will arrive out of nowhere, almost like it wanted to take your money quickly and push you to leave, and on average that would be the effect on most new players, they'd think fck this for a game of chance, If I don't stop playing this game I'm going to lose my whole deposit.

Rinse and repeat, and the rtp reserves are building up nicely to give one player a decent session/gameplay, which he then posts the screenshots etc.., publicity and marketing banked.

 

[Guntis]

When I briefly watched Nickslots for a time, he would open a game and then soon move on if he thought it was in 'dead' mode, it seemed to work well for him. He had his regular games, but he was probably doing less than a 100 spins on each.

I wouldn't say any system or observation is guaranteed, but sometimes it's better than having none.

I have definitely noticed some slot sessions present unnaturally barren gameplay at the start, no scatter teases or wins. It just feels too dead, and then 10 mins in a bonus will arrive out of nowhere, almost like it wanted to take your money quickly and push you to leave, and on average that would be the effect on most new players, they'd think fck this for a game of chance, If I don't stop playing this game I'm going to lose my whole deposit.

Rinse and repeat, and the rtp reserves are building up nicely to give one player a decent session/gameplay, which he then posts the screenshots etc.., publicity and marketing banked.

That's similar to how i generally play - i never stay for more than 300 spins on the same slot. I have about 5-7 games that i usually play, and i just go in a circle - play one, then the next one, etc. But i mix in a few roulette spins if my balance goes down.

 

[justdoit]

Captain Ventura same do 30 spins refresh, many times it works and drop the bonus

 

[mack341]

Captain Ventura same do 30 spins refresh, many times it works and drop the bonus

I'll give that a go the next time I get a balance that I can take a few risks with, the captain is almost a bonus buy game in effect (with the cost being variable) there is no real base game at all!

Unless you get the bonus you ain't coming out with a good result.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This thread now reminds me of this

 

[mack341]

This thread now reminds me of this

Billy bleach and I wouldn't have even needed to look that up unlike most things these days

Dave angel was another great character he played.

 

[Guntis]

This thread now reminds me of this

That's a funny video, lol. You could often see similar characters in bookies around those roulette machines when £100 per spin was allowed. They usually picked naive players with a bit of cash and called them the numbers that were about to drop after the ball was thrown.

It often worked well for them because those naive players thought those people had some trick up their sleeve and ended up sharing some winnings...

No idea how it is now, but back then you could easily tell which number was going to drop. For example, if the ball took off from zero, it always landed on one of the five neighbors (16, 24, 5, 10, 23), which are directly opposite.

And it was always like that - no matter which number the ball started from, it always landed on the opposite side - you just had to quickly spot the starting point.

But the fact was that you couldn't do anything once the bet was accepted and the ball moved, so knowing the upcoming number didn't help you win.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's a funny video, lol. You could often see similar characters in bookies around those roulette machines when £100 per spin was allowed. They usually picked naive players with a bit of cash and called them the numbers that were about to drop after the ball was thrown.

It often worked well for them because those naive players thought those people had some trick up their sleeve and ended up sharing some winnings...

No idea how it is now, but back then you could easily tell which number was going to drop. For example, if the ball took off from zero, it always landed on one of the five neighbors (16, 24, 5, 10, 23), which are directly opposite.

And it was always like that - no matter which number the ball started from, it always landed on the opposite side - you just had to quickly spot the starting point.

But the fact was that you couldn't do anything once the bet was accepted and the ball moved, so knowing the upcoming number didn't help you win.

The thing for me is that this is what talk about reloading the slot to get a 'different session', or indeed literally any 'technique' whatsoever when applied to a random game with a house edge, sounds like

You press SPIN, your client requests a result from the server's RNG, the result is generated, and it's returned to your client to display it, be it a Jammin' Jars style game scratchcard that plays out a pre-scripted sequence, or individual stop results for each reel, a pick-me round result, whatever.

That's it, that's the whole thing. Always.

So take Book Of Dead for example, you don't need a massive number of spins to determine average feature frequency and distribution within decent mathematically accurate boundaries, especially when the feature is fairly common as it is on BoD.

Give it 20K spins and track your stats into two data sets, one set is reloading the slot every 100 spins, one set is (if possible) a single extended session, or at least as close as you can get. I guarantee you'll be very close in terms of feature frequency and distribution by the end of it.

50K spins done in the same way would be margin of error closeness.

I've done quite a bit of stats-tracking on Bonanza over in the Bonanza thread, with all my numbers there for everyone to see, there are good, bad and middling sessions in there, but if you average them out, you're incredibly close to the expected feature frequency (1/460) and RTP.

 

[mack341]

The thing for me is that this is what talk about reloading the slot to get a 'different session', or indeed literally any 'technique' whatsoever when applied to a random game with a house edge, sounds like

You press SPIN, your client requests a result from the server's RNG, the result is generated, and it's returned to your client to display it, be it a Jammin' Jars style game scratchcard that plays out a pre-scripted sequence, or individual stop results for each reel, a pick-me round result, whatever.

That's it, that's the whole thing. Always.

So take Book Of Dead for example, you don't need a massive number of spins to determine average feature frequency and distribution within decent mathematically accurate boundaries, especially when the feature is fairly common as it is on BoD.

Give it 20K spins and track your stats into two data sets, one set is reloading the slot every 100 spins, one set is (if possible) a single extended session, or at least as close as you can get. I guarantee you'll be very close in terms of feature frequency and distribution by the end of it.

50K spins done in the same way would be margin of error closeness.

I've done quite a bit of stats-tracking on Bonanza over in the Bonanza thread, with all my numbers there for everyone to see, there are good, bad and middling sessions in there, but if you average them out, you're incredibly close to the expected feature frequency (1/460) and RTP.

In your specific, recent session though on that cat's game, do you think reloading the game at various points would have left you, in all probability, experiencing the same result as not?

(Given you had a pretty shocking rtp and bonus frequency?)

Do you think the same reelset is used at the start of each game load, same variance and odds of winning?

Obviously if a slot is playing well, showing promise, you wouldn't close it down and reload.

But there is almost a nothing to lose aspect to it when things are going badly.

I think I read a theory posted by somebody else on CM, ages ago, that each deposit might trigger a win/lose reaction by the casino. You do sometimes get sessions where everything you touch is successful, like all your luck has come at once (and vice versa), it's not a scientific observation just an interesting quirk of playing and winning.

If that was true (which would seem a long stretch) then it was not the reloads of the slot in my case that changed my luck but the new deposit.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Funnily enough I won about £80 on the Luton QPR game last night, laid out some bits for today and took the rest to Millionaire.

Obv did fuck all, so reloaded just trying to get 1 feature and then bin it, but ur right there was no way of staying in the game, I tried using both the deposit and the menu options and it still refreshed. That must be something fairly knew as the ‘return to William hill’ button use to take u back out to the game.

Anyway, regardless of that I was obv stuck with the ‘dead scatterless’ (Patent Pending) BTG reel set as the game took £200 to give a feature which of course lost on the 89% option down to the 1% option.

Another £150 later another feature finally arrives, gambled back down to 10 spins after a loss on 70% at 14 spins. Only to give a BTG special of 2X.

Had to walk with about a £300 loss in just over an hour on very modest stakes.

Because I rarely play slots at hills for obv reasons, BTG only of course, I will now no doubt get the email where I’m banned from all promos because they’ve noticed a change in my gameplay.

Bet 365 have done the same to me, I’ve been running very well over there in the last few months, and now I’ve been excluded from all the promotions. Not they do many but the free game each day after 5pm on the games site and the bet boosts have all gone. Presumably because of a spike in my gameplay. No 25 free spins on Friday either.

Wankers.

And as expected……

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

But hey, as ur a monkey up this month feel free to now deposit £1500 of your £1000 loss limit.

Fuck off responsible gambling bollox .

 

[dunover]

But hey, as ur a monkey up this month feel free to now deposit £1500 of your £1000 loss limit.

Fuck off responsible gambling bollox .

That's a loss limit masquerading as a deposit limit, very underhand, should have been cracked down on ages ago.

 

[mack341]

I'm sure most of the time it is about having some example cases to show the ukgc when they come knocking with an audit team.

'Here look at this folder, these are all customers who we've spotted with potential gambling issues on their account and imposed restrictions, reminding them of the need to gamble responsibly.'

There's no way folk aren't having long megaways sessions, or even those live casino, magic rabbit wheel games, which seem to take an age to play a few turns.