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Curacao Egaming Sublicense questions

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by cherrieboi, Jul 18, 2017.

    Jul 18, 2017
  1. cherrieboi

    cherrieboi Newbie member

    Location:
    israel
    Hello community-

    Basic question for you. I am currently considering getting my curacao sub license. i have had a hard time finding out which countries exactly i can service my gambling game to with my curacao sub license. And moreso, if for instance UK is not on the list, what happense if i service to them anyways. Thanks :)
     
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  3. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Well if you allowed UK players to sign up and play and you get found out, well i suppose UKGC will be trying to shut you down. That is my guess anyway. i could be right or wrong. Not too sure to be honest.
     
  4. Jul 18, 2017
  5. cherrieboi

    cherrieboi Newbie member

    Location:
    israel
    Thanks:)

    So my question remains, where the heck can i find a list of countries that the curacao sub license is permitted to work with. so unclear!@
     
  6. Jul 18, 2017
  7. funnymunny

    funnymunny Sometimes here, always 'away' webby

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    The Regulatory landscape is one that is constantly changing, and any list produced could be out of date by the time it's published. (The countries that appear on it could also vary dependant on the lawyers compiling it, because many country's laws on gambling were written before internet gambling became popular (or possible!), and therefore existing laws are generally loose and open to interpretation).

    Your safest bet would be to work on the basis that a Curacao licence will allow you to take bets from countries that don't state that online gambling is illegal, and don't require their own 'local' licence in order to operate. (As an earlier post'er commented, the UK is indeed a country that requires you to have a local / UK licence in order to accept wagers from that country).

    As others have also commented, Curacao doesn't have the best reputation & this is mainly down to historical lax supervision of it's licensees. As a result of this, many software providers won't licence their software to companies that hold a Curacao licence.


    Hope this helps
     
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  9. funnymunny

    funnymunny Sometimes here, always 'away' webby

    Occupation:
    CEO
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    Isle of Man, Macau or Vegas

    Click You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Wouldn't the license holder be able to provide you with this information?
     
  12. Jul 18, 2017
  13. cherrieboi

    cherrieboi Newbie member

    Location:
    israel
    hey mark. and thank you everyone for all your other replys!

    i am seeking the answer from the inside. from experience and insight to the industry. because yes- on paper curacao egaming license cannot work with the uk, however, i know that many holder of this license do. im just trying to understand the dynamics of this industry and evaluate my risk.
     
  14. Jul 18, 2017
  15. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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    painter
    Location:
    United States
    That is not correct. A Curacao Sub-license specifies zero restrictions on the jurisdictions that a licensee wishes to operate. It is the responsibility of the licensee/operator to understand and abide by local laws in the jurisdictions they plan to operate. A Curacao sub-license is the only kind available now and it is issued by a Master license holder--Curacao no longer issues master licenses and the task of providing eGaming licensing supervision is shuffled to AntillePhone N.V.

    E Curacao collects their two percent. And Curacao prospers. That is a generalization. Fine. But I wouldn't say it was a gross generalization.
     
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  17. cherrieboi

    cherrieboi Newbie member

    Location:
    israel
    So kelly, assuming i have the sublicense from curacao. how do i know which countries i can operate in. and if i operate in a country that doesnt whitelist curacao gambling, what are the dangers?
     
  18. Jul 18, 2017
  19. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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    United States
    Well,assuming you are a licensee, it would be my suggestion to speak with local officials and garner that information. It isn't difficult. Speaking from my personal experience, these folks are eager to share this kind of information. With regard to the dangers of operating as a Curacao Sub-licensee in a country that allows the operation of a Curacao Sub-licensed casino? I couldn't say. I don't have any experience in operating an online casino. I would guess a good source would be the master license holder....
     
  20. Jul 18, 2017
  21. cherrieboi

    cherrieboi Newbie member

    Location:
    israel
    this is regarding the caracau license, seems we can accept uk, but in other places it says we cant :/

    Please note: You cannot receive players from Netherlands, Israel, Turkey, Curacao and USA. However, you may be having players from the rest of the world (95% of the countries), including the European Union, the Russian Federation, People's Republic of China, all ASEAN Countries, Australia, Oceania, South America and Canada.
     
  22. Jul 18, 2017
  23. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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    Maybe a site that focuses on helping others obtain a license is the direction you should take this inquiry.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Couldn't hurt.
     
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  25. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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    That's the one:) Good Luck!
     
  26. Jul 18, 2017
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I think it depends on which software(s) your casino uses.
    Most have country restrictions which will affect you, no matter where you are licensed... and a few just don't give a damn! ;)

    KK
     
  28. Jul 18, 2017
  29. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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  30. Jul 19, 2017
  31. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Well i am not being condescending or offensive with this post but when i first saw his reply in the other thread before it got moved to its own thread. I was under the impression that this person who ever he/she is is not caring about whether or not his casino will have rogue tendencies or not. and the way he is saying he will still want to operate in the UK is enough for me to say well i will def not be playing in this casino.

    Regardless of what slot provider licenses he/she pays for in their casino. But as someone else said i think it will be extremely expensive and difficult to get the most popular slot providers in your casino because you have a Curacao license.

    So my 2 cents is it sounds that your planning in opening and operating a new rogue casino.

    I will def be avoiding it and i am sure many others will.

    and i also bet you will try and spam this site and forum with threads about your new casino too.

    If you really want to start a new casino you really should not be using a Curacao license and the fact that you already have a sub license just tells me you do not want to operate a legit and legal casino.

    So i do not wish you good luck.
     
  32. Jul 19, 2017
  33. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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    What do you think was meant by mentioning how running a casino improperly required rocket science? Where is 3Dice supposedly licensed? And you're the new spokesman? Jesus H Christ. You are no more of a rocket scientist than this individual is.
     
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  35. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Look Kelly.

    I am not going to take your insults. I am posting facts that i know about. Curacao licensed casinos are well known to be rogue. There is exceptions and one of those exceptions is 3dice. And i might add, 3dice is the best casino that operates with a Curacao license. Fast withdraws, loads of free tourneys, great reps. Need i say anymore??

    So before you throw insults and dissect my intellect i think you should look at yourself.

    You have blatantly insulted me for no reason when this was nothing to do with 3dice.

    Here is one for you Kelly, So your now a genius when it comes to knowledge about licenses now? I take it you did some google searches to read and find information about them. So you could reply to this thread.

    I will not be posting nor replying to any more threads or posts you make.
     
  36. Jul 19, 2017
  37. Kelly Jo

    Kelly Jo Senior Member MM

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    you're
     
  38. Jul 19, 2017
  39. funnymunny

    funnymunny Sometimes here, always 'away' webby

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    Isle of Man, Macau or Vegas

    Having briefly reviewed the information on the above site regarding the Regulators / jurisdictions I've worked with, please know that it contains a number of glaring errors. For giving a very 'rough steer' it could be ok, but basing the information contained as a solid foundation for establishing a business in what is a generally well regulated industry, I'm afraid the words "couldn't hurt" could be very dangerous.


    If you are serious about launching your own site(s), seek your own legal advice. Yes it will be expensive, but cutting corners & taking 'free' advice from the internet is never likely to bring you the flourishing and successful results I dare say you're after - more likely result in costing you a lot more in the long run. (And yes, I absolutely see the irony in this statement).


    You must register/login in order to see the link. could be a helpful read & go some way to answer this question.
     

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