Crystal Palace Probation?

[Dirk Diggler]

Well I gave them a chunk of my money back this week ($4K) but then I've only gone and had another amazing win at High Rollers Lounge.

$1K deposit - $17,450 withdrawn

Lets hope they pay me this one as quick as the first

Didn't think I'd ever end up saying this, but I LOVE WARREN CLOUD's CASINO's

 

[lanidar]

Well I gave them a chunk of my money back this week ($4K) but then I've only gone and had another amazing win at High Rollers Lounge.

$1K deposit - $17,450 withdrawn

Lets hope they pay me this one as quick as the first

Didn't think I'd ever end up saying this, but I LOVE WARREN CLOUD's CASINO's

Congratulations!!!!
No offence my friend and I do wish you all the best...but I:
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[jpm]

Well I gave them a chunk of my money back this week ($4K) but then I've only gone and had another amazing win at High Rollers Lounge.

$1K deposit - $17,450 withdrawn

Lets hope they pay me this one as quick as the first

Didn't think I'd ever end up saying this, but I LOVE WARREN CLOUD's CASINO's

D@MN! What are you playing Dirk?

 

[The Dude]

Well after a lot of thought and going back and forth on this, I decided to do away with the probabtion/redemption section. It was far to complex and problematic to begin with.

If casinos screw up - they screw up - and if it's serious enough to cause grief to players, they are rogued or "not recommended" and there they dwell.

But I have to keep things updated. If casinos are making serious changes in fixing whatever was screwed up, then in my opinion their screwups can become "Past Issues".
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

In my opinion, this is much better than some arbitrary "probation" period, or better than me waving my magic voodoo stick over some casino operation declaring them redeemed. That's ridiculous.

Past issues are just that - past issues. There is no time limit. And the casino operators know that everyone (who cares) is watching them. Their feet will always be held to the fire because they know they need to continue doing what is expected of them.

I think this will work much better for everyone. And players are given more responsiblity to be able to make intelligent choices on their own - this is an important thing.

I want to thank all of you for your suggestions and feedback. I've used a number of your comments here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

Also, I know there are probably a couple of complaints I haven't forwarded to Warren yet. I'll try and have those sent off by tomorrow. And a side note to Caruso, do you want me to check into those locked accounts? Maybe I can have those opened for you. Let me know.

 

[lanidar]

The point is is that Warren has requested to have his casinos removed from the rogue section and placed on probation.

I just checked The Rogue section.
Maybe I missed something but, you took his casinos OFF the rogue list?

 

[The Dude]

I just checked The Rogue section.
Maybe I missed something but, you took his casinos OFF the rogue list?

They weren't in the rogue section to begin with, they were "not recommended".

Like I mentioned in my post, they are listed here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

 

[lanidar]

They weren't in the rogue section to begin with, they were "not recommended".

Like I mentioned in my post, they are listed here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

I understand that.
I was just wondering why Warren/Oliver asked to have them removed from The Rogue list if they weren't there to begin with

 

[Dirk Diggler]

D@MN! What are you playing Dirk?

Blackjack and variants - minimum stake of $200 though (usually $300)

P.S they've paid me $5,000 of my cashin already.

 

[virtualted]

Bryan,
Speaking from one of those casinos on your new lists, I think if you have done an excellent job. We have never asked for complete redemption and have never ever said forget about are past deeds. You have done an excellent job of conveying our redemption. Just one thing though, I have not checked everyone of the sites you listed that are ours in the past, but most of them should redirect to The Virtual Casino. We do have 10 front end casino sites out there, and each one clearly says on the front "part of the Virtual Family". Those 10 sights are, Winit Casino,U1 casino, Party City casino, Just Win Casino, Golden Dreams Casino, Crystal Club Casino, Dreams Casino, Ablackjack.com,Easy winnings Casino,Spin2win casino,. These are for marketing purposes and have all the same rules and bonuses as Virtual. They are Virtual Casino, except for the names. Bryan I will get you a list of those sites listed that are really ours and make sure that they are all dead.
Ted

 

[The Dude]

I understand that.
I was just wondering why Warren/Oliver asked to have them removed from The Rogue list if they weren't there to begin with [/B]

I should have clarified "Not Recommended". There is a big difference.

And to emphasize a point - I think the terms redemption and probation, imply that the wrong-doer is off the hook. This is why I did away with this section. The way it stands now is that these casinos are under more scrutiny then when they are seriously rogued, and they are more responsive to player issues - and this is the main point of the matter; making this a safer environment for the online player. Antigua's not going to do it. Kahwanakee is not going to do it. It is we who are going to do it.

 

[caruso]

P.S they've paid me $5,000 of my cashin already.

If you continue to give him this kind of publicity I predict you'll be fully paid up within the week. This is gold dust. Wipe away four years of crimes with a big winner who posts every step of the progress. He's getting a superb return on his investment.

 

[lanidar]

Caruso, Basically....That's what I told Dirk Diggler in a PM I sent him yesterday.

Now, that's free advertizing from a stranger, stating how GREAT these casinos of his are regarding fast payouts etc.
Now everyones going to go on and on about how you won and maybe Bryan should let Warrens casinos back in the good graces of the Casinomeisters forum.

I also wished him:

Good luck with your wins

We'll see what happens

 

[Dirk Diggler]

All I'm doing is posting my experiences - which i think is fair.

I post if a casino tries to screw me and I post if a casino treats me well when others are complaining.

BTW Bryan - I think what your doing regarding the Rogue section is an excellent idea. It's nice to be able to differentiate between the total rogues and casino's that had a bad past but seem to be sorting themselves out.

 

[lanidar]

All I'm doing is posting my experiences - which i think is fair.

I post if a casino tries to screw me and I post if a casino treats me well when others are complaining.

I TOTALLY and COMPLETELY AGREE with you.
I would be doing the SAME exact thing you're doing.
My hat goes off to you my friend. :notworthy
Again, CONGRATS on the win.
Treat yourself to something WELL deserved.
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[jetset]

All I'm doing is posting my experiences - which i think is fair.

I post if a casino tries to screw me and I post if a casino treats me well when others are complaining.

BTW Bryan - I think what your doing regarding the Rogue section is an excellent idea. It's nice to be able to differentiate between the total rogues and casino's that had a bad past but seem to be sorting themselves out.

And that's entirely your right to do so, Dirk. I have been critical of this operator in the past but there is no problem with your showing balance and a true reflection of your personal experiences here.

 

[bethug]

they still owe people money and they should pay back with intersest, there other rtg casinos that you can play at that dont have a bad history.

also why do they still have that fake safebet seal

 

[Nanny Rose]

Well, i've played twice at High Rollers Lounge today.

Lost $2500 the first time, and cashed out over $9000 the second time. Here's hoping i get paid quickly too.

 

[bethug]

nanny rose, why did you play there?

 

[Nanny Rose]

I saw Dirk Diggler's excellent luck at these casinos, and thought i would give them a chance. I can certainly say, that i thought their RTG software was fair. Dirk Diggler reported that they paid him without a problem (so far). Hopefully they will pay my winnings quickly with the minimum of fuss.

 

[warendorf]

They don't deserve it. I deposited $300 in jun and claimed $300 sign in bonus. AFter finishing wagering, when I required to withdraw $600, they deinied my request many times. At first, they said that I did not sign fax back form. So I signed and sent by fax. But they denied again. When I required the reason they said my IP address was different from the place that I came from. So, I sent them the information of my ISP but they did not reply me and did not give me any idea when I could have result of their investigation. Now they baned my account at end of Aug after I called them many times for the result. When I asked why they baned my account, they said that they used an independant company to investigate my case. I asked when I could have result, they could not know. When I asked to put throught to their Manager, they just hung up my phone.

Their customer serive is bad and it seemed that they did not want to customer if they won from their casino.

 

[Nanny Rose]

I can happily report that i have been paid $4500 (half my winnings so far). A little strange to not pay it all, but nevertheless i can only report excellent service so far.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Well it looks like I may have spoken to soon - they've now locked my Crystal Palace account (don't know why - I'm thousands down there) and they now keep reversing the remaining $12,450 of my cashin at High Rollers (requested it twice and been reversed twice).

I've sent them emails and will report back when/if they respond.

 

[jinnia]

Sorry to hear that Dirk, I truly am.

It's just common knowledge, 'if they don't screw you today, they will tomorrow'.

It's a shame you gamble to gamble online with certain casinos.

I hope you get paid, and soon. Good Luck!

 

[lanidar]

In that same thread, I saw a short message about Cloud buying (negotitiating to buy) Nostalgia-Phoenican.

Has anyone have ANY solid info on the prior statement?

OLIVER CURRAN IN CASINOMEISTERS NEWSLETTER

THE FOOL IS SPAMMING THE EMAILS!!!!!
Hot Deals For You $300 Free at Crystal Palace
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Ah, Crystal Palace. In case no one has seen the thread at Casinomeisters...
Read Here: Crystal Palace Thread
Make sure you read pages 6-7-8. A happy player becomes another victim of Cloud/Curran/aka/aka/aka.

Re: OLIVER CURRAN IN CASINOMEISTERS NEWSLETTER
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In that same thread, I saw a short message about Cloud buying (negotitiating to buy) Nostalgia-Phoenican.

And guess what people (players), he is buying all these casinos with YOUR money he has stolen over time and continuing to do so.

 

[The Dude]

Has anyone have ANY solid info on the prior statement?

I spoken with all parties involved and it's only a rumor.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Well their treatment of me has certainly changed some what.

They currently owe me $12,450 from High Rollers and it's been well over two weeks since I last received anything - according to their website they pay $4K a week.

I've sent them 4 or 5 emails to which I haven't received a single reply - not to forget they locked my Crystal Palace account without giving me a reason (I'm thousands down there as well) and reversed the $12,450 withdrawal twice, again for no reason.

I definitely advise caution here if you are to play here.

 

[caruso]

I definitely advise caution here if you are to play here.

LOL, Caution? Since when were Cloud casinos anything other than no-go areas since he first hit the scene four years ago?

When you played at Giant Vegas and got the run-around, I said "you were warned" - but then, only by me and a couple of others. This is different. Warnings about the Cloud operations have been front-page stuff for years, yet you chose to ignore them and play. Now you're in trouble and "advising caution". LOL.

Sorry you're getting this treatment, but you knew FULL WELL the risks of these places when you played and you have only yourself to blame for your current problems.

Let this be a warning to ANYONE thinking about playing at any of these casinos. Just because Cloud is apparently in dialogue with Bryan with regard to "de-rogueing" him and Cloud is as such apparently "trying" to maintain a cleaner public face doesn't mean you'll see one red cent of any money owed to you. This man is a crook. And if you DO choose to play, don't bleat about getting screwed. It will be YOUR fault.

 

[lanidar]

caruso

Just because Cloud is apparently in dialogue with Bryan with regard to "de-rogueing" him and Cloud is as such apparently "trying" to maintain a cleaner public face doesn't mean you'll see one red cent of any money owed to you. This man is a crook.

With all due respect my friend...Bryan said in a prior post that Clouds casinos were not on the rogue list. He was on the, I believe, Not Recommended Casinos list. Don't make a difference though. As you said:

"THE MANS A CROOK".​

What's the old saying about a Leopard and it's spots?​

​

 

[Stanford]

caruso


With all due respect my friend...Bryan said in a prior post that Clouds casinos were not on the rogue list. He was on the, I believe, Not Recommended Casinos list. Don't make a difference though. As you said:

"THE MANS A CROOK".​

What's the old saying about a Leopard and it's spots?​

​

Gambling Grumbles is back . I see they have bad boy status there.

Stanford

 

[lanidar]

Gambling Grumbles is back . I see they have bad boy status their.

Stanford

​

 

[jpm]

gambling-grumbles.com

Looks like one of Julie's relatives has taken the baton.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Looks like I spoke too soon - I have now been paid the full $12,450 outstanding.

 

[lanidar]

Looks like I spoke too soon - I have now been paid the full $12,450 outstanding.

I'm TRULY happy that you've been paid.
IMO one of the reasons CLOUD paid you was because he knows this thread is being read by hundreds of posters. The other is that CLOUD is attemting to get back into the good graces of Bryan.
$12,450.00 is a small price to pay for advertizing.
No matter what the reason why you were paid...the bottom line is the money is in YOUR pocket.
GOOD LUCK...ENJOY IT... :notworthy

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I've no doubt that's the case - it's amazing what a post on this forum can do.

 

[mimmu12]

Unpaid for 2 weeks

Hi there. This is my first post at the forum. I decided to give the infamous "cloud" casinos a GO. When i read about the probation.
I met the bonus conditions, and withdrew only my own deposit of 125$ at highrollerslounge. I have emailed them about 4-5 times, and sent the documents mentioned on their website 2 times. I havent recieved any replies back to my 4-5 emails. Also they havent paid me and it has been 2 weeks.

I am starting to think that they are back up to their normal profile=not paying players. And maybe the only reason dirk got paid, is because he posted here, so "cloud" though, i have to pay this one, in order to get more depositing players in here.

This is really sad, and i hope i do get paid. The only reason i thought id give them a go, is because of the probation, but i guess i should have known better, because cloud has been stiffing players since the birth of online casinos. Also this is the first "cloud" casino i have ever played, and i followed their terms and conditions thoroughly.

I honestly hope that the cloud casinos would get better, and everyone could safely play there, but this appears not to be the case.

-mimmu12

 

[lanidar]

Cloud

This is really sad, and i hope i do get paid. The only reason i thought id give them a go, is because of the probation.

This is really SAD!

And maybe the only reason dirk got paid, is because he posted here, so "cloud" though, i have to pay this one, in order to get more depositing players in here.

That's probably the truth!

Also this is the first "cloud" casino i have ever played, and i followed their terms and conditions thoroughly.

Sad to say...but all of us who have gotten screwed by CLOUD met all the T&C's. I TRULY hope you at least get back your deposit.
And MAYBE...just MAYBE this post will help keep poeople AWAY from playing at ANY of CLOUDS casinos!!!

IMO ALL Clouds casinos should be on the rogue list.​

 

[jpm]

Hi there. This is my first post at the forum. I decided to give the infamous "cloud" casinos a GO. When i read about the probation.

FYI, they never were put on probation, Bryan decided not to do this.

 

[lanidar]

Warren Cloud

So, from the way this ( http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/crystalpalace.html ) reads, and this is MY interpretation, we are in a holding pattern...a wait and watch while this scum of the Internet continues to steal players money?
How about mimmu12? This looks like one of HIS typical moves.
If I were a betting man...mimmu12 loses...Cloud wins...once again!

 

[jpm]

From a post by Bryan in this thread a few pages back...

Well after a lot of thought and going back and forth on this, I decided to do away with the probabtion/redemption section. It was far to complex and problematic to begin with.

If casinos screw up - they screw up - and if it's serious enough to cause grief to players, they are rogued or "not recommended" and there they dwell.
But I have to keep things updated. If casinos are making serious changes in fixing whatever was screwed up, then in my opinion their screwups can become "Past Issues".
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

In my opinion, this is much better than some arbitrary "probation" period, or better than me waving my magic voodoo stick over some casino operation declaring them redeemed. That's ridiculous.

Past issues are just that - past issues. There is no time limit. And the casino operators know that everyone (who cares) is watching them. Their feet will always be held to the fire because they know they need to continue doing what is expected of them.

I think this will work much better for everyone. And players are given more responsiblity to be able to make intelligent choices on their own - this is an important thing.

I want to thank all of you for your suggestions and feedback. I've used a number of your comments here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

 

[Dirk Diggler]

To me probation IS pretty much the same as past issues - they both imply (IMO) that the casino has acted badly in the past but seems to be sorting themselves out.

From my experience with the Cloud empire they will pay you as long as you put your case in the public eye - but I'm sure (well at least I believe) that if you didn't they would simply ignore you.

This seems to be the case with many of the RTG's, which is bad form - but I can see why they would do this. It's only avoiding bad publicity they're interesting in - not doing the right thing.

 

[Tester]

America's online owes me $804

It was noted in the casino cashier as paid to Neteller. But it was never paid as can be proven from my Neteller records.

They promised several times to handle this but did not.

 

[lanidar]

It was noted in the casino cashier as paid to Neteller. But it was never paid as can be proven from my Neteller records.

They promised several times to handle this but did not.

Phone Neteller and have them handle it. Have Neteller call the casino and have the both of them work it out for you.

 

[Petunia]

All for one?

I have been waiting to reply to this one. Weighing up my own thoughts and then .. realizing that this issue calls for objectivity.

I suggest that maybe they be put on a probation (without them knowing) and take it from there. I believe there are two sides to a story,and that, although I want to rather scratch G's eyes out, there might have been some shanking from players too.

So, they get my 'go'. Go straight, or go bust! YOU choose!

 

[Ziggy]

My Online Casino

I had an "iffy" experience with My Online Casino. I won $600 and tried to take it out. I sent the faxback form in, with tons of ID, called support to make sure that everything was inline and was told that it was. When I had received no response (or $) within a few days, I called back and was told that I needed to fax in a utility bill and then my withdrawal should be approved. I faxed that in, called back and was told that everything was in order. I was told that I had met all wagering & ID requirements. I checked my account a few days later and saw that my withdrawal had been marked as "denied". I pretty much hit the roof! So...I called the support line again and was lucky enough to connect with Oliver. He took the details, said there didn't seem to be anything wrong with my withdrawal and said that he would speak to the people in accounting. This was about 8pm on a Friday night. Saturday at 7pm I checked my account and saw the wonderful word "approved"! I guess it just goes to show you that if you speak with the right person, good things happen!

 

[bethug]

pure stall tatic

 

[lanidar]

No offense Ziggy....But, I think you just got lucky.​

 

[Ziggy]

"Lucky" works for me! I won't be going back, that's for sure. Too many worrisome moments. I just thought that Oliver deserved a pat on the back.

 

[sw2003]

I had an "iffy" experience with My Online Casino. I won $600 and tried to take it out. I sent the faxback form in, with tons of ID, called support to make sure that everything was inline and was told that it was. When I had received no response (or $) within a few days, I called back and was told that I needed to fax in a utility bill and then my withdrawal should be approved. I faxed that in, called back and was told that everything was in order. I was told that I had met all wagering & ID requirements. I checked my account a few days later and saw that my withdrawal had been marked as "denied". I pretty much hit the roof! So...I called the support line again and was lucky enough to connect with Oliver. He took the details, said there didn't seem to be anything wrong with my withdrawal and said that he would speak to the people in accounting. This was about 8pm on a Friday night. Saturday at 7pm I checked my account and saw the wonderful word "approved"! I guess it just goes to show you that if you speak with the right person, good things happen!

If there is no reason for them to deny the cashout in the first place, then you should never even have to talk to the right person. This just makes me sick!
They cannot put the denial on a cashout in such a frivolious, arbitrary fashion.
If they really did this, then my vote would be a no, keep them on the blacklist for another 5 years at least.

 

[Vesuvio]

In an idle moment I decided to try one of these casinos - despite being well aware of their reputation, so I don't expect the slightest bit of sympathy.

This was High Rollers Lounge, and true to form despite reading the terms very carefully and meeting all of them they haven't paid up after more than three weeks. I've sent various e-mails and was quite impressed to get a reply to one of them - just one sentence saying the cash-in was pending.

Just wondering - has anyone received a cash-in from them recently? Should I contact Montana Overseas, or is 23 days much too short a time frame to expect RTG casinos to pay out in?

Oddly enough, I've played at over 200 casinos and never failed to receive a cash-in yet... Thanks, Oliver, for restoring my faith in rogue casinos

 

[m249a]

This doesn't look good for their redemption. I hope the meister can fix this quick. 23 days is way too long.