Crystal Palace Probation?

Should the Crystal Palace Group be placed on Probation?

  • Yes, they have turned over a new leaf and are okay.

    Votes: 8 15.4%
  • No, I believe they do not deserve it.

    Votes: 36 69.2%
  • I don't care what you do or say. It's the FREE MONEY that I want.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I abstain.

    Votes: 8 15.4%

  • Total voters
    52

Stanford

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jetset said:
I know RTG have not committed to the eCOGRA initiative and this would make it difficult if not impossible for one of their licensees like the Cloud group to join. More positively, the software providers involvement side is looking promising, I gather - several negotiations are apparently well advanced.
Thanks Jetset and I understand. To be clear I wasn't suggesting that he join.

I was just using eCOGRA as a standard of good behavior. Since WC won't come here to discuss behavior as suggested, I thought committing to the standards/practices would be a nice short hand to what he is willing to do.

Pleased to hear though that the software provider side is looking better.

Stanford
 
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Dirk Diggler

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Well I'll soon see if Mr Cloud's has turned over new leaf as he claims.

I've just done a follow up offer at High Rollers Lounge (played there once about a year ago before I read that they were dodgy - lost everything so it didn't matter) and got lucky and have ended up with a balance of over $11,000 from a $1k deposit :D

It he is true to his word then they'll pay me $4,000 each week in accordance with the website.
 

jetset

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WTG, Dirk! Nice return.

BTW the last I heard from Goodman regarding your Kiss Casino dispute on the max payout was that he was looking into it again - I've heard nothing further since. Have they been in contact with you and has your issue with them been resolved yet? Have you heard anything further from Montana?
 

lanidar

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Dirk Diggler said:
Well I'll soon see if Mr Cloud's has turned over new leaf as he claims.

I've just done a follow up offer at High Rollers Lounge (played there once about a year ago before I read that they were dodgy - lost everything so it didn't matter) and got lucky and have ended up with a balance of over $11,000 from a $1k deposit :D

It he is true to his word then they'll pay me $4,000 each week in accordance with the website.
GOOD LUCK MY FRIEND.....AND I DON'T MEAN THAT SARCASTICALLY. :thumbsup:
 

Dirk Diggler

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jetset said:
WTG, Dirk! Nice return.

BTW the last I heard from Goodman regarding your Kiss Casino dispute on the max payout was that he was looking into it again - I've heard nothing further since. Have they been in contact with you and has your issue with them been resolved yet? Have you heard anything further from Montana?
Cheers Jetset and Lanidar - if only every session could be like this one :thumbsup:

Re: Kiss, I've not heard anything further - I've received the bank draft for $3,850 but nothing on the other $400. I'm not holding my breath TBH.
 

jpm

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Without WC coming here and explaining his rogue action and convincing us that he has somehow now repented and seen the error of his ways, I can't see taking him off the rogue list. Where's the guarantee he won't return to his evil ways after he's been de-rogued?
 

Dirk Diggler

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Well I've just recieved the first $4K of my withdrawal today from High Rollers Lounge - that's less than 24 hours from withdrawing so really can't complain at all.

Could this be the start of Warren Cloud's casinos overtaking Phoenician and Nostalgia as the fastest paying RTG?? :what: :D
 

Dirk Diggler

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WOW - after they paid me the $4,000 I requested the rest and they've paid me that within an hour :eek:

Maybe they are turning over a new leaf? - that's a $11,400 ($10,400 profit) payout in a day!!!
 

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Dirk Diggler said:
WOW - after they paid me the $4,000 I requested the rest and they've paid me that within an hour :eek:

Maybe they are turning over a new leaf? - that's a $11,400 ($10,400 profit) payout in a day!!!
Their bank wire transfer must have come in. ;)

Just kidding ... glad to hear there wasn't any delays or such nonsense. :thumbsup:
 

Dirk Diggler

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Well I gave them a chunk of my money back this week ($4K) but then I've only gone and had another amazing win at High Rollers Lounge.

$1K deposit - $17,450 withdrawn :eek: :D

Lets hope they pay me this one as quick as the first :thumbsup:

Didn't think I'd ever end up saying this, but I LOVE WARREN CLOUD's CASINO's
 

lanidar

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Dirk Diggler said:
Well I gave them a chunk of my money back this week ($4K) but then I've only gone and had another amazing win at High Rollers Lounge.

$1K deposit - $17,450 withdrawn :eek: :D

Lets hope they pay me this one as quick as the first :thumbsup:

Didn't think I'd ever end up saying this, but I LOVE WARREN CLOUD's CASINO's
Congratulations!!!! :thumbsup:
No offence my friend and I do wish you all the best...but I:
 

jpm

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Dirk Diggler said:
Well I gave them a chunk of my money back this week ($4K) but then I've only gone and had another amazing win at High Rollers Lounge.

$1K deposit - $17,450 withdrawn :eek: :D

Lets hope they pay me this one as quick as the first :thumbsup:

Didn't think I'd ever end up saying this, but I LOVE WARREN CLOUD's CASINO's
D@MN! What are you playing Dirk?
 

Casinomeister

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Well after a lot of thought and going back and forth on this, I decided to do away with the probabtion/redemption section. It was far to complex and problematic to begin with.

If casinos screw up - they screw up - and if it's serious enough to cause grief to players, they are rogued or "not recommended" and there they dwell.

But I have to keep things updated. If casinos are making serious changes in fixing whatever was screwed up, then in my opinion their screwups can become "Past Issues".
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/index.html#issues

In my opinion, this is much better than some arbitrary "probation" period, or better than me waving my magic voodoo stick over some casino operation declaring them redeemed. That's ridiculous.

Past issues are just that - past issues. There is no time limit. And the casino operators know that everyone (who cares) is watching them. Their feet will always be held to the fire because they know they need to continue doing what is expected of them.

I think this will work much better for everyone. And players are given more responsiblity to be able to make intelligent choices on their own - this is an important thing.

I want to thank all of you for your suggestions and feedback. I've used a number of your comments here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/crystalpalace.html

Also, I know there are probably a couple of complaints I haven't forwarded to Warren yet. I'll try and have those sent off by tomorrow. And a side note to Caruso, do you want me to check into those locked accounts? Maybe I can have those opened for you. Let me know.
 

lanidar

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The point is is that Warren has requested to have his casinos removed from the rogue section and placed on probation.
I just checked The Rogue section.
Maybe I missed something but, you took his casinos OFF the rogue list?
 

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Bryan,
Speaking from one of those casinos on your new lists, I think if you have done an excellent job. We have never asked for complete redemption and have never ever said forget about are past deeds. You have done an excellent job of conveying our redemption. Just one thing though, I have not checked everyone of the sites you listed that are ours in the past, but most of them should redirect to The Virtual Casino. We do have 10 front end casino sites out there, and each one clearly says on the front "part of the Virtual Family". Those 10 sights are, Winit Casino,U1 casino, Party City casino, Just Win Casino, Golden Dreams Casino, Crystal Club Casino, Dreams Casino, Ablackjack.com,Easy winnings Casino,Spin2win casino,. These are for marketing purposes and have all the same rules and bonuses as Virtual. They are Virtual Casino, except for the names. Bryan I will get you a list of those sites listed that are really ours and make sure that they are all dead.
Ted
 

Casinomeister

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lanidar said:
I understand that.
I was just wondering why Warren/Oliver asked to have them removed from The Rogue list if they weren't there to begin with :confused: [/B]
I should have clarified "Not Recommended". There is a big difference.

And to emphasize a point - I think the terms redemption and probation, imply that the wrong-doer is off the hook. This is why I did away with this section. The way it stands now is that these casinos are under more scrutiny then when they are seriously rogued, and they are more responsive to player issues - and this is the main point of the matter; making this a safer environment for the online player. Antigua's not going to do it. Kahwanakee is not going to do it. It is we who are going to do it.
 

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