Crown Vegas is trying to steal my winnings on a 4k royal
- Thread starter vtrac
- Start date
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Hi JPM,
Thank you so much for the explanation. It was very kind of you to respond and take the time to help me to understand the difference between the two cash in limitations. Also, it never dawned on me to be careful when playing progressives. You are right, with my luck, thats when I will hit one...when I cant get paid...LOL.
Once again, thank you JPM.
Thank you so much for the explanation. It was very kind of you to respond and take the time to help me to understand the difference between the two cash in limitations. Also, it never dawned on me to be careful when playing progressives. You are right, with my luck, thats when I will hit one...when I cant get paid...LOL.
Once again, thank you JPM.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Hi Jetset,
I notice that the cashout restrictions are listed on the actual email that is sent by CV. I must have used atleast a dozen of their promotional coupons and never realized the cashout limitation until Sunday, 6/1. I was just about to use my Sunday promotion when I noticed this and I wrote to Bryan immediately. That was why I asked if you wished to see the actual email, wherein this is stated. Let me know if I can be of any help.
Linda-
)
I notice that the cashout restrictions are listed on the actual email that is sent by CV. I must have used atleast a dozen of their promotional coupons and never realized the cashout limitation until Sunday, 6/1. I was just about to use my Sunday promotion when I noticed this and I wrote to Bryan immediately. That was why I asked if you wished to see the actual email, wherein this is stated. Let me know if I can be of any help.
Linda-
)I'm waiting to see if Bryan gets a response from CV on this - I would really like to know whether it is a widespread casino practice.
In the meantime we have written up the story and it will go out in our bulletins in the hope of encouraging other players to examine all offers CAREFULLY to ensure they do not fall prey to this sort of condition.
In the meantime we have written up the story and it will go out in our bulletins in the hope of encouraging other players to examine all offers CAREFULLY to ensure they do not fall prey to this sort of condition.
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2002
I've been seeing it more and more lately jetset, but mostly from little guys. I don't think I've ever seen it in any microgaming promo offer. I'm going to make it a point to notice where I see them now though, just to see if its limited to certain groups.
Glad to help Linda! Definately something to be aware of when playing, and I'm sure I'd hit the big one if I even went near a progressive game while playing one of these bonuses. That would just be the worst good luck you could have!
Glad to help Linda! Definately something to be aware of when playing, and I'm sure I'd hit the big one if I even went near a progressive game while playing one of these bonuses. That would just be the worst good luck you could have!
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
How much more proof do you want?
Hard proof that Crown Vegas steals and lies. You be the judge.
Hard proof that Crown Vegas steals and lies. You be the judge.
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
- Joined
- Nov 12, 2001
What vtrac is trying to say is that you should compare:
Outdated URL (Invalid) (the managers link)
with
Note when this document was last edited:
The document the manager linked to was edited on May 19.
Outdated URL (Invalid) (the managers link)
with
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
(taken from the cache on a computer)Note when this document was last edited:
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
The document the manager linked to was edited on May 19.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Vtrac, I think I can help you with Crown Vegas:
Please try and follow me as I explain. Vtrac, the promotion that you won the money on was QM7CA.
On May 20th, is when you were notified that you used a first time depositors bonus, yet on the email itself which I just looked at through your post above, the first line says:
*Max cashout is 10x deposit. All excess winnings will be voided.
Being that you were notified that they were not honoring your cashout on May 20th, I assume you used the promotion atleast 5 days prior to your problem. As I said, please stay with me.
Now, On May 19th, Jyde is able to prove through his links above that the document was edited on May 19th.
On May 21st, Nikki from CV posted the terms to your promotion, QM7CA. The first and second lines to the terms she posted was:
*These bonuses are for first time depositors only,
(which is the same as a sign up bonus).
*Max cashout is 10x deposit. All excess winnings will be voided.
If we go now to June 4th, Nikki is explaining the way the caps on the bonuses work. She said, and I quote, "The reason we cap it (the winnings) and this is common practice is because of the continuous high bonuses we give to existing players. We have this rule only on 100% bonuses
(not on sign up bonuses).
Whew! Now taking all this information into consideration, if your bonus was for first time depositors, as stated in CV's version of the terms, and CV stated on June 4th that first time caps on bonuses do NOT apply to first time depositors (which is the same as a sign up bonus, then why is the second line of their terms regarding your bonus "Max cashout is 10x deposit"?
Therefore, if in fact, the bonus you used was only for first time depositors there would be no reason to put that second line in about the Max Cashout! I think CV owes you some money Vtrac )))
Please try and follow me as I explain. Vtrac, the promotion that you won the money on was QM7CA.
On May 20th, is when you were notified that you used a first time depositors bonus, yet on the email itself which I just looked at through your post above, the first line says:
*Max cashout is 10x deposit. All excess winnings will be voided.
Being that you were notified that they were not honoring your cashout on May 20th, I assume you used the promotion atleast 5 days prior to your problem. As I said, please stay with me.
Now, On May 19th, Jyde is able to prove through his links above that the document was edited on May 19th.
On May 21st, Nikki from CV posted the terms to your promotion, QM7CA. The first and second lines to the terms she posted was:
*These bonuses are for first time depositors only,
(which is the same as a sign up bonus).
*Max cashout is 10x deposit. All excess winnings will be voided.
If we go now to June 4th, Nikki is explaining the way the caps on the bonuses work. She said, and I quote, "The reason we cap it (the winnings) and this is common practice is because of the continuous high bonuses we give to existing players. We have this rule only on 100% bonuses
(not on sign up bonuses).
Whew! Now taking all this information into consideration, if your bonus was for first time depositors, as stated in CV's version of the terms, and CV stated on June 4th that first time caps on bonuses do NOT apply to first time depositors (which is the same as a sign up bonus, then why is the second line of their terms regarding your bonus "Max cashout is 10x deposit"?
Therefore, if in fact, the bonus you used was only for first time depositors there would be no reason to put that second line in about the Max Cashout! I think CV owes you some money Vtrac
))) 
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
Okay,
A few questions here that ought to either be considered or addressed:
Vtrac:
What it seems to me is that Vtrac took up two first time depositor's bonuses, won $$$$ on the first one, and didn't follow the rules for the second one. I have reviewed the mailer which went to the affiliate as well as a screenshot of the casino's backend showing when the coupon was created and the rules that were placed on the coupon when it was created. It is clearly a first time depositor's bonus and according to the casino's terms and conditions, this bonus may not be used if you have previously deposited. If you do, your winnings will be made void. According to the casino, vtrac's deposit has been returned to his Neteller account.
As for vtrac's screenshots, I am wondering why it has taken so long to create them and actually post them on the site. He also states on the forum - "Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the email anymore. I copied and pasted the terms, AS THEY WERE, to a text document and deleted the email. My hotmail account has since emptied my deleted emails" and then later on he states (at WOL) "the original email would help, as it had a copy of the original terms and conditions at the bottom of it." Now, if the terms and condition were on the bottom of the mailer, (which they aren't) as he states, where does this screenshot come from?
Finally, why hasn't anyone else come forward with the same problem. Vtrac received this email from an affiliate, who I'm sure emailed a large number of players. Why is it that vtrac is seemingly the only player who received this mailer? And the only player who had this problem?
It makes absolutely no sense for the casino to change the rules concerning this coupon, especially if this is a coupon that is used widespread. One point to consider, RealTimeGaming software is NOT set up to automatically void coupons when they are not used according to terms and conditions. So it is up to the PLAYERS to ensure that they are using the coupons accordingly NOT THE CASINO.
On another note, as for the "Max Cash out 15x Deposit, excess winnings will be voided" rule, they casino places this rule on the larger bonuses. Players are not obligated to take up the bonuses if they are not happy with the conditions. If a player wins the progressive jackpot using one of these coupons, then there max cashout rule on the winnings will be voided, not the excess winnings.
A few questions here that ought to either be considered or addressed:
Vtrac:
What it seems to me is that Vtrac took up two first time depositor's bonuses, won $$$$ on the first one, and didn't follow the rules for the second one. I have reviewed the mailer which went to the affiliate as well as a screenshot of the casino's backend showing when the coupon was created and the rules that were placed on the coupon when it was created. It is clearly a first time depositor's bonus and according to the casino's terms and conditions, this bonus may not be used if you have previously deposited. If you do, your winnings will be made void. According to the casino, vtrac's deposit has been returned to his Neteller account.
As for vtrac's screenshots, I am wondering why it has taken so long to create them and actually post them on the site. He also states on the forum - "Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the email anymore. I copied and pasted the terms, AS THEY WERE, to a text document and deleted the email. My hotmail account has since emptied my deleted emails" and then later on he states (at WOL) "the original email would help, as it had a copy of the original terms and conditions at the bottom of it." Now, if the terms and condition were on the bottom of the mailer, (which they aren't) as he states, where does this screenshot come from?
Finally, why hasn't anyone else come forward with the same problem. Vtrac received this email from an affiliate, who I'm sure emailed a large number of players. Why is it that vtrac is seemingly the only player who received this mailer? And the only player who had this problem?
It makes absolutely no sense for the casino to change the rules concerning this coupon, especially if this is a coupon that is used widespread. One point to consider, RealTimeGaming software is NOT set up to automatically void coupons when they are not used according to terms and conditions. So it is up to the PLAYERS to ensure that they are using the coupons accordingly NOT THE CASINO.
On another note, as for the "Max Cash out 15x Deposit, excess winnings will be voided" rule, they casino places this rule on the larger bonuses. Players are not obligated to take up the bonuses if they are not happy with the conditions. If a player wins the progressive jackpot using one of these coupons, then there max cashout rule on the winnings will be voided, not the excess winnings.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
I have a major problem with this as well. Something is not kosher.
Vtrac, do you mean to tell us that three weeks ago, you visited exactly EIGHT sites the entire week?
Furthermore, why is Hotmail not one of them? If this email was sent to you through Hotmail, the only way it could have been stored on your cache would be if you had visited Hotmail. And had you clicked on a link in Hotmail, you would have been taken to the link - with a HOTMAIL FRAME and redirect.
It looks pretty damn clear to me that this computer is used for the purpose of gambling only. Which is unusual in itself.
I'm with Bryan. Though I'm still a bit skeptical about Nikki's response as well.
Vtrac, do you mean to tell us that three weeks ago, you visited exactly EIGHT sites the entire week?
Furthermore, why is Hotmail not one of them? If this email was sent to you through Hotmail, the only way it could have been stored on your cache would be if you had visited Hotmail. And had you clicked on a link in Hotmail, you would have been taken to the link - with a HOTMAIL FRAME and redirect.
It looks pretty damn clear to me that this computer is used for the purpose of gambling only. Which is unusual in itself.
I'm with Bryan. Though I'm still a bit skeptical about Nikki's response as well.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Bryan:
I don't know how you can say that I requested two first time bonuses. I would not have gone through all this trouble if I was in the wrong. I would have just kicked myself and moved on.
Although I suppose I an incorrect, I had thought that CV sometimes includes the T&C's at the bottom of the mailers, although that doesn't prevent me from checking the website to make sure they correspond. The screenshot comes from my Temporary Internet Files cache.
Bryan, Spearmaster:
The screenshots are from my laptop, where I originally read the email. My laptop is configured to use Outlook Express to login to hotmail and read the mails. That way, I just open up Outlook Express and see the emails, without having to actually loading up a browser, and typing my login info. It is a matter of convenience to me. In OE using hotmail, there are two main folders - a local folder and the online hotmail version. Unless I copy emails from the online hotmail version to the local folder, they stay online. So when I click delete to an incoming email, it goes to the online delete of hotmails (which get automatically emptied every few days or so). This is why you don't see hotmail.com on my histories list.
Now, why did I take this long to get this screenshot? As you can see from my history, the last entry before "Today" was "Two Weeks Ago." What happened to last week? Well, two weeks ago, my laptop died. I finally got it back up and quickly put it in offline mode before searching through the history. Otherwise, it would have updated the site with the T&C's with the new version. If you still don't believe that, then here's an email I sent to Slycin on the 22nd of May:
<, <, <, ----- Original Message -----
<, <, <, From: Victor T
<, <, <, To: [email protected]
<, <, <, Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:01 AM
<, <, <, Subject: Help with Crown Vegas
<, <, <,
<, <, <,
<, <, <, Thanks for your offer to help. I really have presented
<,everything I
<, <, <,have
<, <, <, for my case on WOL and casinomeister. Anything you can do would
<, <,really
<, <, <,be
<, <, <, appreciated.
<, <, <,
<, <, <, I think I have one last hope. I did open the email on my laptop
<, <,last
<, <, <,week,
<, <, <, and visited CV's site to review the T&Cs. So I believe the
<,original
<, <, <,T&C's
<, <, <, that I saw will be available on my browser's temporary files
<,cache.
<, <, <, However, to top off my incredibuly bad luck this week, my laptop
<,has
<, <, <,also
<, <, <, died. I'm in the process of seeing if I can recover the data
<,off my
<, <, <,laptop.
<, <, <, So perhaps I can come up with the original T&C website for
<,that
<, <,promo,
<, <, <,but
<, <, <, who knows..
<, <, <,
<, <, <, Let me know what I need to do to get this matter straightened
<,out.
<, <, <,
<, <, <, Thanks,
<, <, <, Victor
Yes, this laptop is used for gaming online. I don't like having a bunch of extraneous software on my main computer. I think that is my prerogative if I choose to do that.
Here are a few things that I realized:
1.) I probably didn't receive the email around May 12-13 as I had previously thought. It is obvious from:
2. I may have recieved the email in early April, but somehow missed it until a month later. This is possible, since I can get 20 emails a day to that account sometimes. However, I'm generally good about keeping up with my emails, so I don't know.
I don't know how you can say that I requested two first time bonuses. I would not have gone through all this trouble if I was in the wrong. I would have just kicked myself and moved on.
Although I suppose I an incorrect, I had thought that CV sometimes includes the T&C's at the bottom of the mailers, although that doesn't prevent me from checking the website to make sure they correspond. The screenshot comes from my Temporary Internet Files cache.
Bryan, Spearmaster:
The screenshots are from my laptop, where I originally read the email. My laptop is configured to use Outlook Express to login to hotmail and read the mails. That way, I just open up Outlook Express and see the emails, without having to actually loading up a browser, and typing my login info. It is a matter of convenience to me. In OE using hotmail, there are two main folders - a local folder and the online hotmail version. Unless I copy emails from the online hotmail version to the local folder, they stay online. So when I click delete to an incoming email, it goes to the online delete of hotmails (which get automatically emptied every few days or so). This is why you don't see hotmail.com on my histories list.
Now, why did I take this long to get this screenshot? As you can see from my history, the last entry before "Today" was "Two Weeks Ago." What happened to last week? Well, two weeks ago, my laptop died. I finally got it back up and quickly put it in offline mode before searching through the history. Otherwise, it would have updated the site with the T&C's with the new version. If you still don't believe that, then here's an email I sent to Slycin on the 22nd of May:
<, <, <, ----- Original Message -----
<, <, <, From: Victor T
<, <, <, To: [email protected]
<, <, <, Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:01 AM
<, <, <, Subject: Help with Crown Vegas
<, <, <,
<, <, <,
<, <, <, Thanks for your offer to help. I really have presented
<,everything I
<, <, <,have
<, <, <, for my case on WOL and casinomeister. Anything you can do would
<, <,really
<, <, <,be
<, <, <, appreciated.
<, <, <,
<, <, <, I think I have one last hope. I did open the email on my laptop
<, <,last
<, <, <,week,
<, <, <, and visited CV's site to review the T&Cs. So I believe the
<,original
<, <, <,T&C's
<, <, <, that I saw will be available on my browser's temporary files
<,cache.
<, <, <, However, to top off my incredibuly bad luck this week, my laptop
<,has
<, <, <,also
<, <, <, died. I'm in the process of seeing if I can recover the data
<,off my
<, <, <,laptop.
<, <, <, So perhaps I can come up with the original T&C website for
<,that
<, <,promo,
<, <, <,but
<, <, <, who knows..
<, <, <,
<, <, <, Let me know what I need to do to get this matter straightened
<,out.
<, <, <,
<, <, <, Thanks,
<, <, <, Victor
Yes, this laptop is used for gaming online. I don't like having a bunch of extraneous software on my main computer. I think that is my prerogative if I choose to do that.
Here are a few things that I realized:
1.) I probably didn't receive the email around May 12-13 as I had previously thought. It is obvious from:
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
that I had read the T&C's at CV's site on the 16th. That particular HTML page was last modified on 4/2. Why did they need to modify it again on the 19th?2. I may have recieved the email in early April, but somehow missed it until a month later. This is possible, since I can get 20 emails a day to that account sometimes. However, I'm generally good about keeping up with my emails, so I don't know.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Bryan,
I don't think anyone else has come forward with this same problem is because probably no one else won a big sum. I am fully convinced that had I NOT hit a royal and only won 200-300, I would have been paid promptly like my first time. I am also fully convinced that CV changed the rules because of my cashout. It probably would have been changed on the 15th had another player hit a royal and cashed out on the 14th.
I'm not in the business of trying to steal money that is not rightfully mine. Prior to this experience, I thought CV was wonderful. I had never gotten paid out so quickly and effortlessly for a win at an RTG before. Now they're showing their roots. The truth will come out. It is only a matter of time.
(Message edited by vtrac on June 06, 2003)
I don't think anyone else has come forward with this same problem is because probably no one else won a big sum. I am fully convinced that had I NOT hit a royal and only won 200-300, I would have been paid promptly like my first time. I am also fully convinced that CV changed the rules because of my cashout. It probably would have been changed on the 15th had another player hit a royal and cashed out on the 14th.
I'm not in the business of trying to steal money that is not rightfully mine. Prior to this experience, I thought CV was wonderful. I had never gotten paid out so quickly and effortlessly for a win at an RTG before. Now they're showing their roots. The truth will come out. It is only a matter of time.
(Message edited by vtrac on June 06, 2003)
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2002
OK, I noticed something odd here. The links that are from vtrac's IE cache from back in April or May are from the same internet address (Outdated URL (Invalid) ) that the CV rep posted here last month.
The problem with this is that it appears that this link was setup on May 21st to show us the coupon details and is not the regular link that is included with the promos sent thru email.
The emails have links in the coupons as: Outdated URL (Invalid) for example. When CV first posted that other link, I fooled with the URL to see if it was a mirror site for their webpage or something and found that there was nothing else on there. Also,I tried pasting the URL on to
I'd love to see someone else come up with the original email so we'd know once and for all
The problem with this is that it appears that this link was setup on May 21st to show us the coupon details and is not the regular link that is included with the promos sent thru email.
The emails have links in the coupons as: Outdated URL (Invalid) for example. When CV first posted that other link, I fooled with the URL to see if it was a mirror site for their webpage or something and found that there was nothing else on there. Also,I tried pasting the URL on to
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
(after removing the 66.250.52.169 part) to see if it showed up there and it didn't.I'd love to see someone else come up with the original email so we'd know once and for all
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Hi everyone,
I just called CV and questioned whether coupon number QM7CA is still usable or did it expire. I spoke with a very nice gentleman, and he said while it is still an active promotion, that it is for first time users only.
Bryan, I still think something is wrong with this whole scenario. I went to their site as if I were a new player and clicked on their first time promotional coupons and read the rules. At no time do they mention a cap on how much you can win. So why was a cap stated on this first time promotional offer only? Also, there is a section
on their homepage where it says to go here to read our "terms and conditions". When you click on that, you go to a page that says "Error, etc." and there is not any terms and conditions. Why would a casino not have a full listing of their terms and conditions available for you to read?
I am not very computer savvy, maybe someone can help me with this? Thanks, Linda
I just called CV and questioned whether coupon number QM7CA is still usable or did it expire. I spoke with a very nice gentleman, and he said while it is still an active promotion, that it is for first time users only.
Bryan, I still think something is wrong with this whole scenario. I went to their site as if I were a new player and clicked on their first time promotional coupons and read the rules. At no time do they mention a cap on how much you can win. So why was a cap stated on this first time promotional offer only? Also, there is a section
on their homepage where it says to go here to read our "terms and conditions". When you click on that, you go to a page that says "Error, etc." and there is not any terms and conditions. Why would a casino not have a full listing of their terms and conditions available for you to read?
I am not very computer savvy, maybe someone can help me with this? Thanks, Linda
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2002
Linda, what was the URL that you were using when you got the error message trying to read the T&C page? I tried the T&C link on a number of different pages on their website and it pulled it up ok each time.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Hi JPM,
I was on CV's website homepage. At the very bottom it said click here to see our complete list of terms and conditions. I clicked on it, and up came a blank white page with "Error, etc" on it. I hope this helps. JPM, I know I can ask you questions that most people would think are ridiculous and must think I am stupid, but here goes...is a URL the address that you type in the toolbar on top of your screen. For example,
I was on CV's website homepage. At the very bottom it said click here to see our complete list of terms and conditions. I clicked on it, and up came a blank white page with "Error, etc" on it. I hope this helps. JPM, I know I can ask you questions that most people would think are ridiculous and must think I am stupid, but here goes...is a URL the address that you type in the toolbar on top of your screen. For example,
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
Thanks JPM, I am trying hard to learn how to become more computer literate.- Joined
- Mar 29, 2002
Hi Linda,
Yes the URL (universal resource locator, I believe) is the address in your browser. For instance, the one I look at when I check the T&C page on the CV website is
I just tried it now to get this URL and it worked ok. Must be some type of error with your browser.
Yes the URL (universal resource locator, I believe) is the address in your browser. For instance, the one I look at when I check the T&C page on the CV website is
You do not have permission to view link
Log in or register now.
I just tried it now to get this URL and it worked ok. Must be some type of error with your browser.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Hi JPM,
Thank you very much for once again helping me and answering my question. You are most kind.
I get embarrassed asking such questions, however, 4 years ago I had a terrible brain injury and am trying very hard to go on with my life even though my memory and my learning abilities were severely damaged. Its quite ironic actually, I was in the Tropicana casino and the Air Conditioning vent cover fell from the ceiling and hit me on my head. Figures that my injury should have to do with gambling...lol. Thanks again to you and everyone who always take the time to answer questions that most 10 year olds know the answers to. Your kindness is a Godsend. Most people would just call me a moron and ignore me. That has happened before and it makes me feel even worse. Thank you again, and thanks to everyone on this forum who helps me. God Bless.
Thank you very much for once again helping me and answering my question. You are most kind.
I get embarrassed asking such questions, however, 4 years ago I had a terrible brain injury and am trying very hard to go on with my life even though my memory and my learning abilities were severely damaged. Its quite ironic actually, I was in the Tropicana casino and the Air Conditioning vent cover fell from the ceiling and hit me on my head. Figures that my injury should have to do with gambling...lol. Thanks again to you and everyone who always take the time to answer questions that most 10 year olds know the answers to. Your kindness is a Godsend. Most people would just call me a moron and ignore me. That has happened before and it makes me feel even worse. Thank you again, and thanks to everyone on this forum who helps me. God Bless.
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2002
Wow that's awful Linda, I'm so sorry to hear about that. I hope at least that you got a nice settlement from their very deep pockets. Feel free to ask any 'silly' questions you'd like! As someone said once before, the only dumb questions are the ones not asked.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Thank you JPM. You could never know how much your kind words mean to me.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Bryan, Jetset, spearmaster:
I've presented my evidence, answered your questions, and would really like to hear what you guys have to say.
I've presented my evidence, answered your questions, and would really like to hear what you guys have to say.
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
Okay, my thoughts.
It obvious that this bonus, or coupon number is only for first time deposits only. As it was mentioned in this thread, the coupon is still active. Crown Vegas produced a backend screenshot which illustrates this. https://www.casinomeister.com/static/images/screenshots/cv_backend_screenshot.html
So the question is why Vtrac played this coupon?
Was it mistakenly or unknowingly?
What I don't get is this case has gotten a lot of exposure. It's been posted at WOL which gets quite a bit of traffic as well as here. With this type of exposure, I was expecting a number of other similar complaints. But there hasn't been any.
I've also made inquiries to other webmasters to come up with the "flyer" Vtrac received...and nothing.
So what happened? I'm thinking that the affiliate may have doctored the "flyer" that was sent out; the one that Vtrac received and used. But that would not make any sense since it makes the gameplay null and void, thus the affiliate would make zilch, and players would get miffed and alienated. Doesn't make sense.
Or perhaps vtrac mistakenly used this coupon and tried to cover up his tracks. This is not a good scenerio because this would imply that vtrac tried to cheat the casino.
So I'm a bit at a loss. It still seems odd to me that this is the only player that received this. It's unfortunate that no one else came up with the same email since that would have been more or less conclusive.
It obvious that this bonus, or coupon number is only for first time deposits only. As it was mentioned in this thread, the coupon is still active. Crown Vegas produced a backend screenshot which illustrates this. https://www.casinomeister.com/static/images/screenshots/cv_backend_screenshot.html
So the question is why Vtrac played this coupon?
Was it mistakenly or unknowingly?
What I don't get is this case has gotten a lot of exposure. It's been posted at WOL which gets quite a bit of traffic as well as here. With this type of exposure, I was expecting a number of other similar complaints. But there hasn't been any.
I've also made inquiries to other webmasters to come up with the "flyer" Vtrac received...and nothing.
So what happened? I'm thinking that the affiliate may have doctored the "flyer" that was sent out; the one that Vtrac received and used. But that would not make any sense since it makes the gameplay null and void, thus the affiliate would make zilch, and players would get miffed and alienated. Doesn't make sense.
Or perhaps vtrac mistakenly used this coupon and tried to cover up his tracks. This is not a good scenerio because this would imply that vtrac tried to cheat the casino.
So I'm a bit at a loss. It still seems odd to me that this is the only player that received this. It's unfortunate that no one else came up with the same email since that would have been more or less conclusive.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Bryan: I understand that is what the coupon currently says. Why is it impossible that CV doctored that screen shot or changed their backend software to reflect the "new user bonus."
Sure, lets say the coupon code always said new user only on it. Then the following must be true:
1. I played the coupon code mistakenly
2. For no reason whatsoever, the HTML file that describes the coupon code on CV's site was modified on 5/19.
3. For no reason whatsoever, the >,br<, tag for the new player only line is capitalized.
4. I somehow doctored THREE screenshots, showing the same URL as CV used for the promo, showing the same file creation date, showing the access date of the 5/16, etc.
You're wondering why no one came up with the email. Is it because it was sent out two months ago or is it because I'm tne only one who got it. Which makes more sense? If I made all of this up, I would think at least someone would forward you a copy of the email showing you that I'm a big fat liar. But maybe I'm the only one in the whole world that got this email, and Crown Vegas created this coupon code just for me.
Bryan, all I want you to know is that you are being lied to by RTG and Crown Vegas. They have put a sheet over your head and you're accepting it. I know without a single doubt that I am telling the truth, and it burns me to see this act of theivery take place.
From my point of view, I've got an absurd amount of evidence pointing my way, and Crown Vegas has a single backend SS that looks easily doctored. What will it take, Bryan? Want a GHOST image of my laptop's harddisk so you can see my cache files for yourself? Its not so much about my losses anymore, but about the fact that you're letting RTG and CV take advantage of you.
Sure, lets say the coupon code always said new user only on it. Then the following must be true:
1. I played the coupon code mistakenly
2. For no reason whatsoever, the HTML file that describes the coupon code on CV's site was modified on 5/19.
3. For no reason whatsoever, the >,br<, tag for the new player only line is capitalized.
4. I somehow doctored THREE screenshots, showing the same URL as CV used for the promo, showing the same file creation date, showing the access date of the 5/16, etc.
You're wondering why no one came up with the email. Is it because it was sent out two months ago or is it because I'm tne only one who got it. Which makes more sense? If I made all of this up, I would think at least someone would forward you a copy of the email showing you that I'm a big fat liar. But maybe I'm the only one in the whole world that got this email, and Crown Vegas created this coupon code just for me.
Bryan, all I want you to know is that you are being lied to by RTG and Crown Vegas. They have put a sheet over your head and you're accepting it. I know without a single doubt that I am telling the truth, and it burns me to see this act of theivery take place.
From my point of view, I've got an absurd amount of evidence pointing my way, and Crown Vegas has a single backend SS that looks easily doctored. What will it take, Bryan? Want a GHOST image of my laptop's harddisk so you can see my cache files for yourself? Its not so much about my losses anymore, but about the fact that you're letting RTG and CV take advantage of you.
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
Hi Vtrac,
I note your frustration. RTG or CV has no sheet over my head. I'm just pointing out some things that need to be addressed. There have been shitloads of people who have been reading this thread here and at WOL. Why hasn't anyone else come up with the same email? This affiliate was more than likely one of the larger ones; so perhaps thousands of players received this email. Yet not one of them has produced a copy besides you.
Right now it seems like a case of he said, she said. I know you have the screen shots. I just want to see something from a third or fourth party.
I'll even inquire about this in my next newsletter. Perhaps that will turn up something.
Any other comments??? Spear? Jetset? Rainfall?
(Message edited by admin on June 10, 2003)
I note your frustration. RTG or CV has no sheet over my head. I'm just pointing out some things that need to be addressed. There have been shitloads of people who have been reading this thread here and at WOL. Why hasn't anyone else come up with the same email? This affiliate was more than likely one of the larger ones; so perhaps thousands of players received this email. Yet not one of them has produced a copy besides you.
Right now it seems like a case of he said, she said. I know you have the screen shots. I just want to see something from a third or fourth party.
I'll even inquire about this in my next newsletter. Perhaps that will turn up something.
Any other comments??? Spear? Jetset? Rainfall?
(Message edited by admin on June 10, 2003)
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
I am going to refrain from further comment because I have difficulty with the laptop claim.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Spear,
Just like I offered to Bryan, I'll be happy to GHOST my laptop's harddrive image and let you check out all the cache files intact. If you think that will put an end to this once and for all, I'll do it.
Just like I offered to Bryan, I'll be happy to GHOST my laptop's harddrive image and let you check out all the cache files intact. If you think that will put an end to this once and for all, I'll do it.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
GHOSTing your drive won't prove anything. You would have had to NOT access the computer since the date of the cache. Plus, the laptop up and dies on you just at THAT very moment?
You've got to admit that this event, true or not, ranks very high on the unbelievable scale.
And you would be extremely surprised what I can recover from a drive that was thought to be dead and buried. I wouldn't want a ghosted drive. I would want YOUR drive AND computer.
You've got to admit that this event, true or not, ranks very high on the unbelievable scale.
And you would be extremely surprised what I can recover from a drive that was thought to be dead and buried. I wouldn't want a ghosted drive. I would want YOUR drive AND computer.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
No, it didn't die that moment. It died a few days later. Notice on my history the entry for the CV was "3 weeks ago", and I have entries for "2 weeks ago." I never said it died that very moment.
Also, I never said that the drive died. The motherboard did, thus I was able to access all the data.
If you don't believe an image of the HD with all the files intact is proof, you are skeptical beyond belief.
Also, I never said that the drive died. The motherboard did, thus I was able to access all the data.
If you don't believe an image of the HD with all the files intact is proof, you are skeptical beyond belief.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
I didn't say you said your drive died. I said even if a drive is dead and buried I can recover data from it - which is to say that I can track probably every action ever taken on that drive.
Which means that I want YOUR drive, not a copy. You want it proven? GHOSTing is useless for anything but archiving or cloning. It will never ever prove anything.
You won't believe it when I uncover all that porn you were looking at and thought you had safely deleted and wiped away.
Which means that I want YOUR drive, not a copy. You want it proven? GHOSTing is useless for anything but archiving or cloning. It will never ever prove anything.
You won't believe it when I uncover all that porn you were looking at and thought you had safely deleted and wiped away.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Dear theshys:
Thank you very much for your caring words. Its people like yourself that keep me smiling. God Bless you my friend.
Thank you very much for your caring words. Its people like yourself that keep me smiling. God Bless you my friend.
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Spearmaster,
Do remember the problem I had in May with my bank charging me 5 times for the two charges I made at CV? At first I thought CV made the charges, then I found out it was my bank. At this time, I may have received the same promotion from CV that vtrac had gotten, but I was upset at the time and just deleting anyting regarding bonuses from CV.
Would it help if I sent you my drive? I honestly do not know what this means, but I can try to help and clear this up. I was playing alot at CV at that time, so if a large promotion was sent out I think I would have received one also. Please let me know if I can be of some help. By the way, if you find porn on my puter definitely let me know since hubby will have to get hit with a frying pan...lol.
Do remember the problem I had in May with my bank charging me 5 times for the two charges I made at CV? At first I thought CV made the charges, then I found out it was my bank. At this time, I may have received the same promotion from CV that vtrac had gotten, but I was upset at the time and just deleting anyting regarding bonuses from CV.
Would it help if I sent you my drive? I honestly do not know what this means, but I can try to help and clear this up. I was playing alot at CV at that time, so if a large promotion was sent out I think I would have received one also. Please let me know if I can be of some help. By the way, if you find porn on my puter definitely let me know since hubby will have to get hit with a frying pan...lol.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
LMAO...
I don't think your drive would help - the promotion may or may not have been valid - much of this is still sketchy.
However, the reason I want the drive is simply to see exactly what is - AND was - on that particular drive.
I'm sure vtrac would thank you for offering to help, though Also, your computer almost certainly has purged all that information by now because the "history" generally goes back no more than a month.
I don't think your drive would help - the promotion may or may not have been valid - much of this is still sketchy.
However, the reason I want the drive is simply to see exactly what is - AND was - on that particular drive.
I'm sure vtrac would thank you for offering to help, though
Also, your computer almost certainly has purged all that information by now because the "history" generally goes back no more than a month.linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Hi Spearmaster,
I really do not know anything about computers. I just figured that maybe we could put and end to this once and for all.
P.S. - I really wanted the chance to hit hubby off da head....lmao.
I really do not know anything about computers. I just figured that maybe we could put and end to this once and for all.
P.S. - I really wanted the chance to hit hubby off da head....lmao.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
Nothing stopping you from grabbing the nearest frying pan and bopping him one - and when he asks why, you can tell him "Because Spearmaster said to" LMAO...
linda7
Non-Gambler
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2002
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Spearmaster:
LMAO!!!!!
LMAO!!!!!
- Joined
- May 2, 2002
Hi Spear, Jetset, Bryan, Jyde :
Vtrac is one of the good guys. He is not making a frivolous or deceitful complaint.
I've known him very well for several years now. A man of integrity - scrupulously honest and forthright in all matters between us. Have, and continue to trust him entirely and he has been unfailingly reliable.
Also know him by reputation from other folks who have, over the years, shared with me their high regard for his abiities and honesty, and similarily hold him in a position of trust.
In online gaming he has helped other gamblers who have had problems with casinos and, ironically, I personally know he has assisted your efforts (via a third party) in supporting fair casino play.
The way this thread was developing was concerned that an important message/warning was going to get lost in the uncertainty of an anonymous allegation.
As for screwing up on T&C's when lured into playing with a bonus, well we have all lost our virginity in that area [a few times ]. And we've all seen complaints from dishonest (or dillusional?)players who try to suck you guys into going to bat for them hopeing to recover some cash from the casino. Then when you report back to them how the casino shows the player messed up, they say "Oh well it was worth a try". !!!*^##!!!! ...... Well this is NOT one of those cases.
I've known vtrac to make errors in gambling online. He lets people know, as i do, make light of it - then move on. And the 4 figure account balance in question here does not seem of the scale to cause gamblers anxiety.
So, FYI, vtrac is a straight shooter.
Vtrac is one of the good guys. He is not making a frivolous or deceitful complaint.
I've known him very well for several years now. A man of integrity - scrupulously honest and forthright in all matters between us. Have, and continue to trust him entirely and he has been unfailingly reliable.
Also know him by reputation from other folks who have, over the years, shared with me their high regard for his abiities and honesty, and similarily hold him in a position of trust.
In online gaming he has helped other gamblers who have had problems with casinos and, ironically, I personally know he has assisted your efforts (via a third party) in supporting fair casino play.
The way this thread was developing was concerned that an important message/warning was going to get lost in the uncertainty of an anonymous allegation.
As for screwing up on T&C's when lured into playing with a bonus, well we have all lost our virginity in that area [a few times
]. And we've all seen complaints from dishonest (or dillusional?)players who try to suck you guys into going to bat for them hopeing to recover some cash from the casino. Then when you report back to them how the casino shows the player messed up, they say "Oh well it was worth a try". !!!*^##!!!! ...... Well this is NOT one of those cases.I've known vtrac to make errors in gambling online. He lets people know, as i do, make light of it - then move on. And the 4 figure account balance in question here does not seem of the scale to cause gamblers anxiety.
So, FYI, vtrac is a straight shooter.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
Ok - and only because Portia has vouched for vtrac, I will point out exactly what concerns me.
1. That history is way, way too clean. Yes, perhaps he only used it for online gambling. But if he had used that particular computer to read the email offer, there must necessarily have been an entry for either Hotmail.com and/or Passport.com if his claim that it was sent to a Hotmail address is to be believed.
Suffice it to say that the history is either modified or that vtrac did not tell the truth about a hotmail account.
2. Assuming that he did indeed use the laptop solely for the purpose of online gambling, it is very difficult to believe that the mainboard would just up and die right afterwards. Now I don't know the brand or the specs - but mainboards on laptops as well as desktops don't just "fail". There are almost always signs of problems beforehand - and all things considered mainboards generally don't die.
3. Assuming the mainboard did indeed die, I would like to know what brand the computer was and where it got fixed - because most notebooks need to be sent back to the factory for repair - and there isn't a very high chance of seeing the notebook back for at least a few weeks.
4. Just for the record, I am not a fan of Crown Vegas nor do I promote them, nor have I ever done so. My opinion is solely based on the analysis of the peculiarities involved based on my background as a computer integrator. That promotion may well indeed have been altered - frankly, I'm almost willing to take that at face value. But the strangeness of the issues with the laptop really left a strong sense in my mind that all was not as it seemed.
1. That history is way, way too clean. Yes, perhaps he only used it for online gambling. But if he had used that particular computer to read the email offer, there must necessarily have been an entry for either Hotmail.com and/or Passport.com if his claim that it was sent to a Hotmail address is to be believed.
Suffice it to say that the history is either modified or that vtrac did not tell the truth about a hotmail account.
2. Assuming that he did indeed use the laptop solely for the purpose of online gambling, it is very difficult to believe that the mainboard would just up and die right afterwards. Now I don't know the brand or the specs - but mainboards on laptops as well as desktops don't just "fail". There are almost always signs of problems beforehand - and all things considered mainboards generally don't die.
3. Assuming the mainboard did indeed die, I would like to know what brand the computer was and where it got fixed - because most notebooks need to be sent back to the factory for repair - and there isn't a very high chance of seeing the notebook back for at least a few weeks.
4. Just for the record, I am not a fan of Crown Vegas nor do I promote them, nor have I ever done so. My opinion is solely based on the analysis of the peculiarities involved based on my background as a computer integrator. That promotion may well indeed have been altered - frankly, I'm almost willing to take that at face value. But the strangeness of the issues with the laptop really left a strong sense in my mind that all was not as it seemed.
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2002
I too had concerns about the newly discovered history on Vtrac's laptop. Along with Spearmaster's concerns, I have one very important one.
The URL in his history cache shows the address for the copy of the coupon that the Crown Vegas rep posted here when this all started. All of the coupons I get from CV have a COMPLETELY different address in the embedded links (for terms & conditions, etc., I always look at those things before I click them to see if I've been spammed by an affiliate). The address was always something along the lines of 216.240.147.81 (though now they point to bettahost.com) and I'd never seen the address in the format of the one CV provided and that Vtrac later showed in his cache. Based on that, I was a bit skeptical of his evidence.
I also have no affiliation to CV, and in fact can never seem to win there regardless of what I play.
The URL in his history cache shows the address for the copy of the coupon that the Crown Vegas rep posted here when this all started. All of the coupons I get from CV have a COMPLETELY different address in the embedded links (for terms & conditions, etc., I always look at those things before I click them to see if I've been spammed by an affiliate). The address was always something along the lines of 216.240.147.81 (though now they point to bettahost.com) and I'd never seen the address in the format of the one CV provided and that Vtrac later showed in his cache. Based on that, I was a bit skeptical of his evidence.
I also have no affiliation to CV, and in fact can never seem to win there regardless of what I play.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Spearmaster, I don't think you're fully reading my posts.
1. I have previously told you that I use Outlook Express on that laptop to access hotmail. OE connects directly to hotmail's mail servers without having to use IE. Why would there be any reason for my mail connections show up at all in IE's cache if I didn't use IE?
2-3: If you must know, I unintentionally broke my laptop. To make a long story short, my only USB port was damaged. When I am travelling, I use my cell phone as a modem via the USB port to connect to the internet. When I got home, I disassembled the laptop, desoldered the broken USB port, and soldered one from another computer on the laptop's motherboard. It was a quick and sloppy operation, and now it appears as though the motherboard is dead. I never got it fixed, and just ordered a new laptop and a 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adapter. I used the adapter to grab my data off the old laptop's HD. If you must know, my old laptop was an HP Omnibook 6000 and my new one is a Compaq Evo N612. My experience is in electrical and computer engineering, so I feel that is perfectly valid for me to go taking apart my computers/laptops and doing what I feel necessary.
Now, I can go on and on about exactly what happened, but that would just be even more absurd.
Thanks for vouching my credibility, Portia. I really appreciate it.
1. I have previously told you that I use Outlook Express on that laptop to access hotmail. OE connects directly to hotmail's mail servers without having to use IE. Why would there be any reason for my mail connections show up at all in IE's cache if I didn't use IE?
2-3: If you must know, I unintentionally broke my laptop. To make a long story short, my only USB port was damaged. When I am travelling, I use my cell phone as a modem via the USB port to connect to the internet. When I got home, I disassembled the laptop, desoldered the broken USB port, and soldered one from another computer on the laptop's motherboard. It was a quick and sloppy operation, and now it appears as though the motherboard is dead. I never got it fixed, and just ordered a new laptop and a 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adapter. I used the adapter to grab my data off the old laptop's HD. If you must know, my old laptop was an HP Omnibook 6000 and my new one is a Compaq Evo N612. My experience is in electrical and computer engineering, so I feel that is perfectly valid for me to go taking apart my computers/laptops and doing what I feel necessary.
Now, I can go on and on about exactly what happened, but that would just be even more absurd.
Thanks for vouching my credibility, Portia. I really appreciate it.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
Well, if you have the money to go around destroying notebooks like that... LOL... I have an Omnibook 6000 as well. And that thing is as rock solid as they come, but then again I don't replace USB ports on a regular basis.
I hope your Evo is not as bad as the old Compaqs, else you will be sending that in for servicing in the first six months.
Had you described this scenario earlier I would have believed it. But Bryan is handling the negotiations with CV so I'm out of it from here - I wasn't even going to join in but your first description and pictures really looked strange to me.
I hope your Evo is not as bad as the old Compaqs, else you will be sending that in for servicing in the first six months.
Had you described this scenario earlier I would have believed it. But Bryan is handling the negotiations with CV so I'm out of it from here - I wasn't even going to join in but your first description and pictures really looked strange to me.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Bryan, are you actually in negotiations with CV, should I look somewhere else, or should I just give up hope? I don't mean to rush you or whatnot, but I sure would like to know whats going on.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Markey111: It is unfortunate that you are getting ripped off as well. While I don't believe Prism & Crown Vegas are related, I hold them to about the same regard - scum.
It is also unfortunate that the only people who can make a difference really don't give a damn. It's amazing to me how these people can build themselves on the pretense of being players' advocates, but yet when they're presented with evidence of a casino's blatent cheating, their true hypocrisy unfolds.
I'm disappointed that your post didn't even warrant a response, but I suppose the powers that be probably wish that this thread would just silently go away.
It basically boils down to money - when it really matters, the advertising dollars come first.
It is also unfortunate that the only people who can make a difference really don't give a damn. It's amazing to me how these people can build themselves on the pretense of being players' advocates, but yet when they're presented with evidence of a casino's blatent cheating, their true hypocrisy unfolds.
I'm disappointed that your post didn't even warrant a response, but I suppose the powers that be probably wish that this thread would just silently go away.
It basically boils down to money - when it really matters, the advertising dollars come first.
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
Vrtac,
I take your comments to heart, and I think that you fail to see that most everyone, including myself, felt that the casino was not at fault.
Go back and read the comments that everyone made, and you'll understand. I've talked to most of these people face to face about this, and we still feel this way. It's nothing personal, but what you presented just didn't convince everyone.
Secondly, your comments are out of line. To state that "people who can make a difference really don't give a damn" is just a bunch of bullshit.
I didn't reply to Markey111's comment because #1 I was on vacation. #2 There are a shitload of other people monitoring this board and I'm not hanging over it 24 hours a day.
I would also like to point out that perhaps up to 50% of the complaints that I deal with are from fraudulent players. Take that as you will.
I also feel that your ingratitude is downright surprising. Why in the hell should I waste a single moment out of my life to assist you? Crown Vegas is not one of my sponsors. I just happen to know the guys, and they were at one time one of the only RTG casinos that I presented here.
You also know damn well that I have been instrumental in recovering $$$ five figure sums sometimes on a monthly basis for players. It seems that you have a sour taste in your mouth since you weren't one of the players who was found in the right.
In the future, I hope that you'll have better luck with casinos that you choose to play at, and that you are more cautious on your online activities. I also hope you don't have anymore online casino "problems", at least none that you expect to be taken care of here. I'll be damned if I waste my time with the likes of you again.
I take your comments to heart, and I think that you fail to see that most everyone, including myself, felt that the casino was not at fault.
Go back and read the comments that everyone made, and you'll understand. I've talked to most of these people face to face about this, and we still feel this way. It's nothing personal, but what you presented just didn't convince everyone.
Secondly, your comments are out of line. To state that "people who can make a difference really don't give a damn" is just a bunch of bullshit.
I didn't reply to Markey111's comment because #1 I was on vacation. #2 There are a shitload of other people monitoring this board and I'm not hanging over it 24 hours a day.
I would also like to point out that perhaps up to 50% of the complaints that I deal with are from fraudulent players. Take that as you will.
I also feel that your ingratitude is downright surprising. Why in the hell should I waste a single moment out of my life to assist you? Crown Vegas is not one of my sponsors. I just happen to know the guys, and they were at one time one of the only RTG casinos that I presented here.
You also know damn well that I have been instrumental in recovering $$$ five figure sums sometimes on a monthly basis for players. It seems that you have a sour taste in your mouth since you weren't one of the players who was found in the right.
In the future, I hope that you'll have better luck with casinos that you choose to play at, and that you are more cautious on your online activities. I also hope you don't have anymore online casino "problems", at least none that you expect to be taken care of here. I'll be damned if I waste my time with the likes of you again.
- Joined
- May 20, 2003
Bryan,
It is your site, your time, your choices. I can do nothing but post an opinion, wrong or right. Sure, I do have a sour taste in my mouth, but it is not because of you. While you could have helped the situation, I put blame where it is due and that is directly at Crown Vegas & RTG. From my perspective, you really did nothing for me but question my integrity, so I'm not quite sure why I should be grateful. However, I do realize that a good portion of your inquiries involve fraudulant players, so I felt that you were completely justified in doing so. I felt I was completely patient in awaiting your response.
My comments about the industry are just from my limited perspective. They are my feelings about most of the online gaming world - it is all about money. Hell, look at the old OPA and Steve Adkins.
In any case, I've put the money past me. I was surprised you allow yourself to be lied to by Crown Vegas/RTG. I think what gets me more than anything is the fact that you, as well as several others, have either 1.) compromised your morals or 2.) have unintentionally gotten the wool pulled over your eyes. Neither case is good.
I've had disputes with casinos in the past. When I realize that I am in the wrong, I will be the first to drop it and accept the matter. Rules are rules, and I've been online long enough to make sure I comply with everything before I even think about playing at any casino. However, this Crown Vegas affair is astounding to me. It is the first time that I have ever seen a casino intentionally try and steal winnings from an individual player. I was completely shocked. I couldn't wait to let the world know. I was so sure that Crown Vegas would get punished for their mistake. I was even more shocked when I realized it wouldn't happen. This is the basis for my comment about those with the influence just looking out for their own interests, and this is why I feel that you must either be blissfully ignorant or just plain immoral.
Thanks for the audience, Bryan.
It is your site, your time, your choices. I can do nothing but post an opinion, wrong or right. Sure, I do have a sour taste in my mouth, but it is not because of you. While you could have helped the situation, I put blame where it is due and that is directly at Crown Vegas & RTG. From my perspective, you really did nothing for me but question my integrity, so I'm not quite sure why I should be grateful. However, I do realize that a good portion of your inquiries involve fraudulant players, so I felt that you were completely justified in doing so. I felt I was completely patient in awaiting your response.
My comments about the industry are just from my limited perspective. They are my feelings about most of the online gaming world - it is all about money. Hell, look at the old OPA and Steve Adkins.
In any case, I've put the money past me. I was surprised you allow yourself to be lied to by Crown Vegas/RTG. I think what gets me more than anything is the fact that you, as well as several others, have either 1.) compromised your morals or 2.) have unintentionally gotten the wool pulled over your eyes. Neither case is good.
I've had disputes with casinos in the past. When I realize that I am in the wrong, I will be the first to drop it and accept the matter. Rules are rules, and I've been online long enough to make sure I comply with everything before I even think about playing at any casino. However, this Crown Vegas affair is astounding to me. It is the first time that I have ever seen a casino intentionally try and steal winnings from an individual player. I was completely shocked. I couldn't wait to let the world know. I was so sure that Crown Vegas would get punished for their mistake. I was even more shocked when I realized it wouldn't happen. This is the basis for my comment about those with the influence just looking out for their own interests, and this is why I feel that you must either be blissfully ignorant or just plain immoral.
Thanks for the audience, Bryan.
Ouch Vtrac, those be some harsh words. Unfortunately those words wont bring back your money and in the grand scheme of things are counterproductive and uncalled for. To slander someone who actually took the time to look into your case when you made the concious decision to play an RTG which is a judgement error to begin with on your part is simply dumb. I have not been gambling online very long and even I know to play an RTG is to risk having your money stolen. Perhaps if you had a case with a casino that Bryan actually advocated Im sure he would have righted the situation, but since you choose to play an RTG which Bryan has said he does not wish to deal with their problems you are putting yourself at the mercy of the casino. BTW the details of your case Vtrac are so sketchy that deductive reasoning would lead to someone not seeing your side of the matter. Either way, suck it up and get on with your life. Please dont slander someone who, if you had of taken his advice on what casinos to play, you would not have had problems.
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2001
- Location
- Heaven
This is the basis for my comment about those with the influence just looking out for their own interests
What a load of shit, vtrac. Bryan was not carrying any advertising for Crown Vegas at the time - and I never did.
How the hell does that make us "looking out for our own interests"?
It's big-headed people like you who take advantage of people who try to help by accusing them of being immoral that ruin it for everyone else - or couldn't you figure that out?
What a load of shit, vtrac. Bryan was not carrying any advertising for Crown Vegas at the time - and I never did.
How the hell does that make us "looking out for our own interests"?
It's big-headed people like you who take advantage of people who try to help by accusing them of being immoral that ruin it for everyone else - or couldn't you figure that out?
