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Hell yeah, I have seen a lot about gut health lately. No wonder really, with the crap that we eat.
I try and cook eu natural (healthy whole foods, not while naked as it can be dangerous when the pan spits), but I cannot afford to feed myself and the kids as healthy as I wish. It is not cheaper to try and stay healthy and away from processed foods, as I am sure you know.
Lots of research coming to light about gut health. Makes sense really, as its the engine for distributing all the goodness from what we eat.
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Look into it you see the same deficiency in the brain, contributing to depression, is associated with the gut so people with depression have (typically) things like bloated-ness, IBS, Crohns, as well.
Huel are trying to get permission to introduce their 91 superfood supplement in the UK - not a fan of supplements but when people are busy with life etc, better than nothing!
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C'mon guys. Cant you see that this thing must be over because the tv doesn't talk about it? Please continue to be magnificently abiding citizens by moving onto the latest current thing that the tv is talking about, and that thing only. Thanks.
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When it loses it's own 'bit' on BBC's site, you know games up
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You telling me we're told how to think, what to think and how to feel?
No, tell me, i don't know how to think, how to feel, what to think ;-p
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USA - Must be up to date with the latest booster.
Switzerland - No more compulsory vaccines. Patient care should be individualised.
Who is right? The CDC recommend you get 8-month-old babies vaccinated! How can two governments have such opposing views?
Perhaps not being part of the revolving door of money in the American system affords a more pragmatic and logical view from the Swiss. Who would have thought?
Switzerland - No more compulsory vaccines. Patient care should be individualised.
Who is right? The CDC recommend you get 8-month-old babies vaccinated! How can two governments have such opposing views?
Perhaps not being part of the revolving door of money in the American system affords a more pragmatic and logical view from the Swiss. Who would have thought?
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I have not posted in years in here because I was no longer allowed or was it professional to continue doing so due to workplace government rules and conditions.
Now that a lengthy amount of time has passed and some retrictions lifted I would like to make a general post that you can all take at face value.
When covid first started it was right to be scared/concerned. All of us in the medical field were very unsure of many things. What exactly we were dealing with, death rates, age rates, treatments. Basically everything.
I can assure you of one thing. Medical staff. The CDC and WHO were trying to do the best they could. Were mistakes made? Yes. Were assumptions made when they maybe should not have been? Yes. Was there grandstanding and wrong information being spread by us/them? Yes.
With that being said, everyone was learning and in some circumstances saying "we do not know yet" would have been the best way to answer questions to the media instead of using fear or exaggeration. However, at the time decisions were made that stoking fear would be better than not especially if this sickness was worse than what we thought.
Was that ok to do? You can decide.
Were some government and medical officials engaged in their own personal agenda to rise in fame? Yes.
I have read some of the conversations in here and both sides are right.
What we know now and I will state this as my own professional opinion from being on the front lines with all health organizations since it began. Not only that but I was on many different health floors from ICU to health records to basically everything you can imagine and witnessed everything there was to witness. I was on daily conferences with CDC, WHO and heads of hospitals from all over North America. I read and discussed all studies about the virus. All treatments. All cases. Everything. All of the people I dealt with were professionals behind the scenes not looking for fame. Everything we discussed, every document we studied was for one reason only. To gain knowledge about what we were fighting.
Here are professional and personal opinions of mine in conclusion to everything I saw and learned over the past couple of years.
Should children under 18 have been vaccinated? No unless they had comorbidities, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, overweight, cancer etc.
Should adults under 50 have been vaccinated? No unless they had comorbidities, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, overweight, cancer etc.
Should adults between 50-60 been vaccinated? Possibly. Again the same as above but in that age group the immune system is weaker so vaccination could possibly aid even if no comorbidities.
Have perfectly healthy teens died because of the vaccine alone? Yes. I personally dealt with that on a number of occasions. Although the rate was low, lives were lost because of the vaccine and nothing else. Injuries and sicknesses also.
Have perfectly healthy adults died directly because of the vaccine? Yes. I personally dealt with this on a number of occasions. Although the rate was low.
Have perfectly healthy teens/adults died from covid? Yes although the rates were extremely low. Less than 0.5%
Can you have covid and test negative? Yes but it is rare. However, Numerous times when testing patients a nose swab would be negative. When we were convinced they had the infection we would then do a throat swab and it would test positive. Why? Throat virus may be present but nasal not.
Should lockdowns occured? Yes. Until we had a good grasp of what we were dealing with and the health care systems had proper protocals in place. Lets use the USA population for example. 350 million people. If even 1% of the population needs hospital intervention that is 3.5 million people. So while hospitilaztion is rare and 1% is clearly rare you can see how that can overwhelm healthcare systems fast. That is what was happening in some countries.
Was all of this necessary to save less than 1% of the population? If it was your mother, father, brother, daughter? Ill let you decide that.
There was a lot of grandstanding by some politicians and medical professionals which was shameful to see. Some have been disciplined for it and some have not.
The only thing that should have been put forward was fact and truth.
Did pharmaceutical companies use this time to take advantage for monetary gains? When have they not in the history of humanity.
Were vaccines pushed too fast without proper trial and error?
Many countries were stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Do you keep everything locked down and risk mental health crisis? Do you keep everything locked down and destroy countries economies? Do you open everything up and let it spread through all populations and risk a health/mental care crisis? Or do you give humanity a vaccine that was not properly tested but showed it did have a positive effect? Do you risk giving out a vaccine that has some adverse side effects? Do you give out a vaccine where there is a chance of myocarditis which could lead to death even though the percentage was low? You decide. It's a difficult decision, isnt it?
Even with the lockdowns there were times our ICU's were getting close to packed. Could you imagine if we didn't lock down?
Does the vaccine stop transmission? Yes and no. Since the vaccine lessens the severity and length it obviously makes sense that a lower infection length will likely stop some transmission. With that being said, that wasn't what was being sold to us by political leaders/pharma companies. They were coming out in public and basically stating, take the shot it stops transmission. When that clearly is not entirely true. It set a dangerous precedent that pitted people/families/business and workplaces against each other.
Does the vaccine work? Yes. There is absolute proof that it lessens the severity. Does that mean you need it? No. What we saw was vaccinated people recover in a week or less. We saw unvaccinated struggle more with many more symptoms for almost twice the length. Was that the case for every infection? No. I would say a good portion of it though. In general the vaccine lessens the severity. In most cases unvaccinated people got through it without medical intervention, their symptoms and length were just much more unpleasant.
There is no question that elderly, overweight and people/children with comorbidities should take the vaccine.
With the being said that is only a suggestion and not a recommendation. With all the information you have, you decide what is best for you and your family.
Did I have covid? Yes. Twice.
Once before I was vaccinated and once after. Being unvaccinated the infection was extreme headache that pills or treatments would not help for two days. Chills and body aches. Extreme exhaustion where I would sleep 17 hours a day and still wake up tired. Lost of taste and smell. I have never felt such exhaustion in all my life. In total in took me 2 weeks to get over it and 3 weeks to be completely 100% over it.
After vaccination/antibodies from first infection. Scratchy throat, tiredness and extreme tiredness in morning and nights especially when wake after sleep. Felt like a crappy cold that drags on a bit longer than most.
Does that mean it would be the same for you? No.
Do masks work?
It depends on the type and if the person is wearing them properly while engaging in proper hand washing.
When you see someone in public still wearing a mask. Don't shame them. They may be sick. They may have comorbidities. They may have anxiety. Just leave them be.
Due to workplace guidelines I was required to be triple vaccinated with a booster shot. With what I know now would I take it again? Yes but for a different reason than most. I needed to be as healthy as possible when I was infected with covid to help others and attend meetings. Being sick for 2 weeks would not be acceptable during this time. Even though masks are still required where I work.. being vaccinated is not and I have chosen not to have further injections unless a further crisis unfolded.
It saddened me greatly when our government forced policies on us where we would have to fire nurses and doctors who refused the vaccine.
It frustrated me to see how underpaid a lot of these nurses were/are and some of the treatment by the government post pandemic. Everything they went through and did, they should be the worlds heroes.
In closing I would like to say something about the other nurses, doctors, workers and professionals in the health care system. I will have no greater respect of anyone in the world than them. I saw true fear in many doctors and nurses. So much fear from uncertainty and having to put very sick people on ventilators hoping it was not them or they would not catch what they had. Yet, we all still worked. We showed up and we saved lives and did the best we could in a very trying time.
There were times were we would do everything possible to help someone breathe before putting them on the breathing machines and I mean everything. Some people just needed them and we had no other choice. I cannot express the fear in some of these people not knowing if they would wake up and the fear and concern in doctors and nurses not knowing if they could save a life.
Imagine fighting an enemy you cannot see but still charging forwards? I saw it every single day.
It was a tough time and it still can be. Be nice to people, it goes a long way.
Now that a lengthy amount of time has passed and some retrictions lifted I would like to make a general post that you can all take at face value.
When covid first started it was right to be scared/concerned. All of us in the medical field were very unsure of many things. What exactly we were dealing with, death rates, age rates, treatments. Basically everything.
I can assure you of one thing. Medical staff. The CDC and WHO were trying to do the best they could. Were mistakes made? Yes. Were assumptions made when they maybe should not have been? Yes. Was there grandstanding and wrong information being spread by us/them? Yes.
With that being said, everyone was learning and in some circumstances saying "we do not know yet" would have been the best way to answer questions to the media instead of using fear or exaggeration. However, at the time decisions were made that stoking fear would be better than not especially if this sickness was worse than what we thought.
Was that ok to do? You can decide.
Were some government and medical officials engaged in their own personal agenda to rise in fame? Yes.
I have read some of the conversations in here and both sides are right.
What we know now and I will state this as my own professional opinion from being on the front lines with all health organizations since it began. Not only that but I was on many different health floors from ICU to health records to basically everything you can imagine and witnessed everything there was to witness. I was on daily conferences with CDC, WHO and heads of hospitals from all over North America. I read and discussed all studies about the virus. All treatments. All cases. Everything. All of the people I dealt with were professionals behind the scenes not looking for fame. Everything we discussed, every document we studied was for one reason only. To gain knowledge about what we were fighting.
Here are professional and personal opinions of mine in conclusion to everything I saw and learned over the past couple of years.
Should children under 18 have been vaccinated? No unless they had comorbidities, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, overweight, cancer etc.
Should adults under 50 have been vaccinated? No unless they had comorbidities, autoimmune diseases, diabetes, overweight, cancer etc.
Should adults between 50-60 been vaccinated? Possibly. Again the same as above but in that age group the immune system is weaker so vaccination could possibly aid even if no comorbidities.
Have perfectly healthy teens died because of the vaccine alone? Yes. I personally dealt with that on a number of occasions. Although the rate was low, lives were lost because of the vaccine and nothing else. Injuries and sicknesses also.
Have perfectly healthy adults died directly because of the vaccine? Yes. I personally dealt with this on a number of occasions. Although the rate was low.
Have perfectly healthy teens/adults died from covid? Yes although the rates were extremely low. Less than 0.5%
Can you have covid and test negative? Yes but it is rare. However, Numerous times when testing patients a nose swab would be negative. When we were convinced they had the infection we would then do a throat swab and it would test positive. Why? Throat virus may be present but nasal not.
Should lockdowns occured? Yes. Until we had a good grasp of what we were dealing with and the health care systems had proper protocals in place. Lets use the USA population for example. 350 million people. If even 1% of the population needs hospital intervention that is 3.5 million people. So while hospitilaztion is rare and 1% is clearly rare you can see how that can overwhelm healthcare systems fast. That is what was happening in some countries.
Was all of this necessary to save less than 1% of the population? If it was your mother, father, brother, daughter? Ill let you decide that.
There was a lot of grandstanding by some politicians and medical professionals which was shameful to see. Some have been disciplined for it and some have not.
The only thing that should have been put forward was fact and truth.
Did pharmaceutical companies use this time to take advantage for monetary gains? When have they not in the history of humanity.
Were vaccines pushed too fast without proper trial and error?
Many countries were stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Do you keep everything locked down and risk mental health crisis? Do you keep everything locked down and destroy countries economies? Do you open everything up and let it spread through all populations and risk a health/mental care crisis? Or do you give humanity a vaccine that was not properly tested but showed it did have a positive effect? Do you risk giving out a vaccine that has some adverse side effects? Do you give out a vaccine where there is a chance of myocarditis which could lead to death even though the percentage was low? You decide. It's a difficult decision, isnt it?
Even with the lockdowns there were times our ICU's were getting close to packed. Could you imagine if we didn't lock down?
Does the vaccine stop transmission? Yes and no. Since the vaccine lessens the severity and length it obviously makes sense that a lower infection length will likely stop some transmission. With that being said, that wasn't what was being sold to us by political leaders/pharma companies. They were coming out in public and basically stating, take the shot it stops transmission. When that clearly is not entirely true. It set a dangerous precedent that pitted people/families/business and workplaces against each other.
Does the vaccine work? Yes. There is absolute proof that it lessens the severity. Does that mean you need it? No. What we saw was vaccinated people recover in a week or less. We saw unvaccinated struggle more with many more symptoms for almost twice the length. Was that the case for every infection? No. I would say a good portion of it though. In general the vaccine lessens the severity. In most cases unvaccinated people got through it without medical intervention, their symptoms and length were just much more unpleasant.
There is no question that elderly, overweight and people/children with comorbidities should take the vaccine.
With the being said that is only a suggestion and not a recommendation. With all the information you have, you decide what is best for you and your family.
Did I have covid? Yes. Twice.
Once before I was vaccinated and once after. Being unvaccinated the infection was extreme headache that pills or treatments would not help for two days. Chills and body aches. Extreme exhaustion where I would sleep 17 hours a day and still wake up tired. Lost of taste and smell. I have never felt such exhaustion in all my life. In total in took me 2 weeks to get over it and 3 weeks to be completely 100% over it.
After vaccination/antibodies from first infection. Scratchy throat, tiredness and extreme tiredness in morning and nights especially when wake after sleep. Felt like a crappy cold that drags on a bit longer than most.
Does that mean it would be the same for you? No.
Do masks work?
It depends on the type and if the person is wearing them properly while engaging in proper hand washing.
When you see someone in public still wearing a mask. Don't shame them. They may be sick. They may have comorbidities. They may have anxiety. Just leave them be.
Due to workplace guidelines I was required to be triple vaccinated with a booster shot. With what I know now would I take it again? Yes but for a different reason than most. I needed to be as healthy as possible when I was infected with covid to help others and attend meetings. Being sick for 2 weeks would not be acceptable during this time. Even though masks are still required where I work.. being vaccinated is not and I have chosen not to have further injections unless a further crisis unfolded.
It saddened me greatly when our government forced policies on us where we would have to fire nurses and doctors who refused the vaccine.
It frustrated me to see how underpaid a lot of these nurses were/are and some of the treatment by the government post pandemic. Everything they went through and did, they should be the worlds heroes.
In closing I would like to say something about the other nurses, doctors, workers and professionals in the health care system. I will have no greater respect of anyone in the world than them. I saw true fear in many doctors and nurses. So much fear from uncertainty and having to put very sick people on ventilators hoping it was not them or they would not catch what they had. Yet, we all still worked. We showed up and we saved lives and did the best we could in a very trying time.
There were times were we would do everything possible to help someone breathe before putting them on the breathing machines and I mean everything. Some people just needed them and we had no other choice. I cannot express the fear in some of these people not knowing if they would wake up and the fear and concern in doctors and nurses not knowing if they could save a life.
Imagine fighting an enemy you cannot see but still charging forwards? I saw it every single day.
It was a tough time and it still can be. Be nice to people, it goes a long way.
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On May 24th if The Who Treaty is passed, hundreds of millions of people under member state governments will hand over their freedom, democratic process and treatment of their health.
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The lack of forthcoming information is infuriating to me. How can a search for truth in a situation as grave as a pandemic meet such resistance?
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Interesting post.
I agree with some of it.
My main points of disagreement are lockdowns and the "vaccines"
Lockdowns should never have been used, even if it was for a pathogen with a 20% death rate. Lockdowns kill people, and go on killing people for many years in the future. Governments own studies showed this. No government can ethically decide to implement a policy that will kill people, its not a battle of numbers, you just cant say we will kill x number of people with a lockdown, because we think/hope it will stop y number of people from getting a virus. (They didnt save any lives as Sweden has proved anyway)
As for the mRNA vaccines, Pfizers own data (That they wanted to hide for 75 years) actually showed more deaths in the vaccinated group, and also clear evidence of fraud and maleficence. These deadly injections should have NEVER been authorised for use, and its IMO the biiggest crime in the history of medicine.
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More scientific evidence that CBD oil helps prevent viral infections and anti-viral inflammatory responses.
It helps to prevent you from catching Covid.
Unfortunately, because big pharma is unable to make big money from CBD oil, it is unlikely we will see any serious studies or the full benefit to the human race. Much like Ivermectin when it was being pointed towards being a miracle treatment for Covid, it was dismissed by the media and big pharma, Chief Medical Officer Bill Gates, and Pinochio-nosed Fauci.
Wake up people, they do not want you to be healthy, they want you dosed up and repeat subscribed.
It helps to prevent you from catching Covid.
Unfortunately, because big pharma is unable to make big money from CBD oil, it is unlikely we will see any serious studies or the full benefit to the human race. Much like Ivermectin when it was being pointed towards being a miracle treatment for Covid, it was dismissed by the media and big pharma, Chief Medical Officer Bill Gates, and Pinochio-nosed Fauci.
Wake up people, they do not want you to be healthy, they want you dosed up and repeat subscribed.
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I don't know whether the vaxxes are to blame, but starting to feel the media are trolling or hinting at something everytime I see another 'dies suddenly' headline, yesterday an australian masterchef host aged 46.
Hard to talk about lockdowns and what went on, so many strange things and 'new science' coming out: rewriting the definition of a vaccine & herd immunity, zero flu cases etc... [temp protection is also not herd immunity I presume, just as there is none for the cold virus that mutates a lot]
I'm not vaxxed, might have considered an old fashioned type vax if the virus was worse than flu [rather than a similar ballpark], so really can't comment on it from personal experience, only those who were can say whether they now feel protected and safe and would do it all again without question.
Hard to talk about lockdowns and what went on, so many strange things and 'new science' coming out: rewriting the definition of a vaccine & herd immunity, zero flu cases etc... [temp protection is also not herd immunity I presume, just as there is none for the cold virus that mutates a lot]
I'm not vaxxed, might have considered an old fashioned type vax if the virus was worse than flu [rather than a similar ballpark], so really can't comment on it from personal experience, only those who were can say whether they now feel protected and safe and would do it all again without question.
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I have friends who swear by this.
When I contracted COVID, I was in the middle of moving house. Some of my friends pitched up, lit a joint and continued helping me for a few days.
They didn't care that I tested positive. No matter how many times I asked them to leave, their response was ... ' We smoke weed dude, we ain't catching that shit'.
FTR - I have contracted COVID twice and they never have...
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Funny, because we will probably not see any serious research in our lifetime. But, there are plenty of books about the benefits.
Have a friend with stomach troubles, who tried many things, probably not as religiously as he should, but ended up on CBD oil and swears by it. Takes a drop under the tongue, not sure how often.
Lots of non-smokers using it nowadays also.
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Dr John Campbell has been struck off of YouTube for an interview with Andrew Bridgen MP.
The reason stated was 'medical misinformation'. Andrew Bridgen mentioned Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.
I have personally not found a more reliable source on health matters and Covid facts in recent times.
He has been a shining light of truth in, quite frankly, a deluge of murky misinformation. How ironic.
The reason stated was 'medical misinformation'. Andrew Bridgen mentioned Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.
I have personally not found a more reliable source on health matters and Covid facts in recent times.
He has been a shining light of truth in, quite frankly, a deluge of murky misinformation. How ironic.
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John had finally realised it was all a scam and the vaccines are dangerous a few months ago. So they ban him now!
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Was it just that particular video that got removed?
I still see his channel & other videos up on youtube.
Edit: I guess i kind of answered my own question, me smart.
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I think he's had a strike, sometimes that means an imminent culling and then all content is gone. He's probably best to not upload new covid related stuff, go back to other less controversial topics. And then post covid content elsewhere less censorious.
If Bridgen etc... are so wrong, then their content provides opportunities for debunkers on youtube - that's winning the debate. But no they want to memory hole it.
If Bridgen etc... are so wrong, then their content provides opportunities for debunkers on youtube - that's winning the debate. But no they want to memory hole it.
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Yes, be careful what you read in online forums - full of misinformation, like my post that says he got removed lol
I misheard, misconstrued and misinformed. It was just the video, and Dr John received a strike, which I believe means he has no more chances.
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Like bamber alluded to earlier... Whenever I have any complaint, my friends offer me weed. I don't smoke as I dont like the feeling of being high / stoned.
Pain?... Weed. Stomach problems... Weed. Sleeplessness... Weed. Concentration... Weed.
@L&L-Jan ... That can certainly be very true.
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People have been 'dying suddenly' since time immemorial, but how quickly history is forgotten when people decide to forgo common sense and become purveyors of theories they personally have invested in.
Some of these deaths have undoubtedly been due to the vaccine, as all vaccines carry risks, but to presume that Jock Zonfrillo's death is vaccine related is - at this stage - absurd. His death has been deemed to be non-suspicious, but other than that, until the coroner examines the facts, nothing more is known.
A Twitter use (JayJay) has posted the following, which I agree wholeheartedly with:
"Of course the putrid cookers have already come out, saying it was the covid vaccine that killed Jock Zonfrillo. They really are opportunistic scum."
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I did not presume this guy's death was down to the vaccine, what my point was the number of 'died suddenly' type headlines must be at an all time high, and yet journalists who should have the basic trait of noticing things have not noticed or commented on it.
Of course sudden deaths are not exactly new but are you saying the current rate of headlines mentioning it is about normal?
[Suicide is not categorised as a natural cause of death afaik, so when it's natural and sudden in a person under say 50, what are you left with, probably something involving the heart it would seem to me]
I've recently learnt of a relative's friend, healthy mid 40s, dying in their sleep, you can't say it's down to 'that' but it does make me wonder, and I don't think that makes me putrid or scum. It's very sad when someone has done everything for the right reasons and then suffered the worst consequence possible.
And because if it is the main underlying cause I want the people in authority who pushed it on everyone, and others who exaggerated its safety, to be held responsible. [the govt and scientists/experts] They won't be if nothing is looked into and just brushed under the carpet as 'normal'.
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After doing such a great job of dealing with the pandemic, the new WHO Treaty seeks to change non-binding agreements into binding, centralise power by taking decision-making away from governments, and remove wording such as 'full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons'
No way should we sign into this. I can't think of a single good reason to accept such draconian terms.
No way should we sign into this. I can't think of a single good reason to accept such draconian terms.
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Sorry to see that you agree wholeheartedly with that statement. It's quite divisive, slanderous, and unhelpful.
This debate is so much more than a pro or anti vaccine one. Never before has so much been spent and so many lives affected with so little explanation from the powers-that-be.
This is nothing like previous vaccine roll-outs.
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The only real difference in this vaccine roll out than any before it was the speed that it got marketing approvals. The reason for this was because virtually every research facility in the world was working to get a vaccine.
From the early days of the vaccine all normal protocols were followed but what they did was compress the many testing stages so that the majority could run simultaneously.
Simple fact is that there is now a vaccine that can be used to prevent serious illness in the majority of people who take it. Before the vaccine millions upon millions of lives were lost to Covid 19 and that has now been greatly reduced.
As with any vaccine there can be side effects but there are side effects with paracetamol, including liver disease and death if you take more than the recommended dose.
I am more than happy to take the vaccine alongside a flu jab if it’s offered to me this year , but that’s probably because I read the data and the facts.
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Not quite true. There has never before been such a cloak over testing and results. The blank pages from Pfizer are an unprecedented event, along with the silencing of medical professionals who spoke out at the start. The Myocarditis issues were glanced over until enough people started shouting about it, and now it's being investigated.
Also, its worth noting that previous vaccines, in the main, have been created for the benefit of mankind. Pfizers CEO famously said something like, 'it would be unethical to overcharge for a vaccine during a pandemic' Then, African countries and others who couldn't afford the 300% mark-up or whatever it was were snubbed. Meanwhile, cheap alternatives with potentially brilliant results, like Ivermectin, were also conveniently missed and dismissed.
This is not a fact, and some would argue completely incorrect, given the data that has since been gathered after the roll-out. Earlier in this thread, there is a video from John Campbell that collates official governmental data and makes a strong case for the vaccine doing more harm than good when considering herd immunity due to the number of excess deaths caused by the vaccines. The reason numbers have dwindled is because of herd immunity, not vaccine success.
I don't know what data and facts you are reading, but I wish you well. I am not anti-vaccine, but I don't like whats happened, don't trust the governments still pushing for vaccine mandates, and I won't needlessly risk my life for profit or to conform, no matter how small the risk when the ones that want to jab me won't answer basic questions about its efficacy.
Cue @L&L-Jan popping in to say he has just had his 15th booster
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How do the recommendations look in the UK now?
These are the recommendations from Swedens public health authority, only people 50+ or at risk are recommended to take the vaccine.
18-49 are not recommended to take the 3 'base' doses or any additional shots.
(translated using google translate so text might be a bit butchered)
New recommendations valid from 1 March 2023
Here are the authority's recommendations for different age groups and risk groups. The recommendations apply from March 1, 2023 and until February 29, 2024 at the latest:
80 years and older, as well as residents at SÄBO
People who are 80 years of age and older and people living in SÄBO (special housing for the elderly), two doses are recommended during the period March 1, 2023–February 29, 2024. The recommendation applies regardless of the previous number of doses.
Time interval between the two doses: at least 6 months.
This age group is recommended to have a basic vaccination with three doses: primary vaccination (two doses) followed by a booster dose after four months at the earliest.
65–79 years and people in the risk group from 18 years of age
People aged 65–79 and people in the risk group who are 18 years and older, a dose is recommended during the period 1 March 2023–29 February 2024. The dose should primarily be given before the autumn and winter season 2023/24. The recommendation applies regardless of the previous number of doses.
An additional dose of vaccine is available to be taken between March 1, 2023 and February 29, 2024.
Time interval for vaccination: at least 6 months since the last dose.
This age group is recommended to have a basic vaccination with three doses: primary vaccination (two doses) followed by a booster dose after four months at the earliest.
50–64 years
People aged 50–64 are recommended a dose during the period 1 March 2023–29 February 2024. The dose should primarily be given before the autumn and winter season 2023/24. The recommendation applies regardless of the previous number of doses.
Time interval for vaccination: at least 9 months since the last dose.
This age group is recommended to have a basic vaccination with three doses: primary vaccination (two doses) followed by a booster dose at the earliest after four months, but preferably with a longer interval.
18–49 years
For people aged 18–49, there is no recommendation for a top-up dose. The recommendation for three doses of basic vaccination also ceases as of March 1, 2023. One dose is available during the period March 1, 2023-February 29, 2024, regardless of the previous number of doses and can be taken, for example, if you live near an elderly person or persons in a risk group.
Time interval for vaccination: at least 9 months since the last dose.
These are the recommendations from Swedens public health authority, only people 50+ or at risk are recommended to take the vaccine.
18-49 are not recommended to take the 3 'base' doses or any additional shots.
(translated using google translate so text might be a bit butchered)
New recommendations valid from 1 March 2023
Here are the authority's recommendations for different age groups and risk groups. The recommendations apply from March 1, 2023 and until February 29, 2024 at the latest:
80 years and older, as well as residents at SÄBO
People who are 80 years of age and older and people living in SÄBO (special housing for the elderly), two doses are recommended during the period March 1, 2023–February 29, 2024. The recommendation applies regardless of the previous number of doses.
Time interval between the two doses: at least 6 months.
This age group is recommended to have a basic vaccination with three doses: primary vaccination (two doses) followed by a booster dose after four months at the earliest.
65–79 years and people in the risk group from 18 years of age
People aged 65–79 and people in the risk group who are 18 years and older, a dose is recommended during the period 1 March 2023–29 February 2024. The dose should primarily be given before the autumn and winter season 2023/24. The recommendation applies regardless of the previous number of doses.
An additional dose of vaccine is available to be taken between March 1, 2023 and February 29, 2024.
Time interval for vaccination: at least 6 months since the last dose.
This age group is recommended to have a basic vaccination with three doses: primary vaccination (two doses) followed by a booster dose after four months at the earliest.
50–64 years
People aged 50–64 are recommended a dose during the period 1 March 2023–29 February 2024. The dose should primarily be given before the autumn and winter season 2023/24. The recommendation applies regardless of the previous number of doses.
Time interval for vaccination: at least 9 months since the last dose.
This age group is recommended to have a basic vaccination with three doses: primary vaccination (two doses) followed by a booster dose at the earliest after four months, but preferably with a longer interval.
18–49 years
For people aged 18–49, there is no recommendation for a top-up dose. The recommendation for three doses of basic vaccination also ceases as of March 1, 2023. One dose is available during the period March 1, 2023-February 29, 2024, regardless of the previous number of doses and can be taken, for example, if you live near an elderly person or persons in a risk group.
Time interval for vaccination: at least 9 months since the last dose.
There was news in NL that there is an increase in strokes in the age range of 18 to 50. But thanks to research its due to increase in alcohol and drugs consumption. So yes, I'll be happy to take the 15th booster. First number 8 though, that happens next month. Every six weeks I take a booster now, also due to tourism season.Cue @L&L-Jan popping in to say he has just had his 15th booster
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Hands up who would rather endure Covid than the jab.
Luckily I got no side effects from either of my 2 jabs, nor to my knowledge had Covid since it arrived, given the choice now without being threatened with my job again, I'd have to think long and hard...
Bet there are a few around the world reaching for the sky!
Luckily I got no side effects from either of my 2 jabs, nor to my knowledge had Covid since it arrived, given the choice now without being threatened with my job again, I'd have to think long and hard...
Bet there are a few around the world reaching for the sky!
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In a way, the UK has been backpedalling since the narrative started to crumble. They lifted the employment vaccine mandate for health workers and have changed the recommendations slightly.
However, excess deaths continue to rise with no real explanation, coverage in the media, and the shutting down of parliamentary discussions.
Had a quick look to find the current recommendations, but gave up after a few minutes. From memory, it's still recommended for the aged, over 75 or something. All the official health information is still pushing the narrative that the vaccines work, which they do, but the question of whether the side effects counter the overall benefit to the population, remains in question.
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It's all very murky, if the vax helps your body to fight off the virus for how long does this protection last, that's information you need to know if you want all year round protection. Is omicron covid something to be worried about, or a nasty cold.
What gets me is the big pharma firms make the product, and then it's left to all the other scientists to discover things about it, they don't seem to contribute much into that process, like the myocarditis, it should be down to pfizer to work out what's going wrong there, but no they just walk off into the distance with the cash, that's the impression.
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Agreed. That's what puts me off of this vaccine; the 'take it and ask no questions' approach. I don't think a vaccine has ever been pushed like that. Vaccines that have come before have been tested and openly discussed, not covered with a blanket of silence.
I think if we accept this kind of approach, we really are putting ourselves at the mercy of governments, which are clearly corrupt and put money before health.
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By the way, for those that didn't know, 
the WHO declared the end of the public health emergency on 5th May.
Free at last!
the WHO declared the end of the public health emergency on 5th May.Free at last!
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This fine group of gentleman
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Dunno if it's a thing.
Mom half dead in bed sick like a dog.
I've just had hiccups and belching last 12 hrs. Blech. Sucks.
Mom half dead in bed sick like a dog.
I've just had hiccups and belching last 12 hrs. Blech. Sucks.
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fan......forking.....tastic.
Called mom's GF and her daughter.
Yay. They are both covid positive.
Fun.
Called mom's GF and her daughter.
Yay. They are both covid positive.
Fun.
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A brief summary of the EU Covid summit. Unusually, for such an important and on-trend subject, it seems to have been missed by the UK and USA media.
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Hope they are both on the mend.
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Somewhat amusing, in general, of how stories come to the fore and disappear or are simply ignored.
Eg. Massive coverage of the Turkish Election but arguably a more interesting one was happening in Thailand (the rise of the Progressives/reformists...oooohh) and didn't see as much (was some)
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More information that Dr John was too scared to present due to YouTube censoring.
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I would implore everyone to watch the second video above for 10 minutes from 2.19.
You will hear stories like the woman who was completely healthy before taking the vaccine and now has three months to live due to ovarian cancer caused by spike protein.
I am about to call my Uncle and suggest he watch this video. I will be begging him to stop taking the vaccine and putting his health at risk.
You will hear stories like the woman who was completely healthy before taking the vaccine and now has three months to live due to ovarian cancer caused by spike protein.
I am about to call my Uncle and suggest he watch this video. I will be begging him to stop taking the vaccine and putting his health at risk.
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