Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[dionysus]

sounds like life is on its way back to normal out canada way, any chance the vax mandates for truckers have been dropped?

Not sure tbh, it's something needs to be arranged and dropped both sides of the border (and pretty much, dropped from the news cycle)..at a guess, I'd say no

 

[bamberfishcake]

A little on the introduction of monitoring, vaccine passports and identity chips being pushed as a result of pandemic opportunity.



For those that don't find this daunting, watch any episode of Black Mirror, such as ArkAngel or Nosedive. Both the following videos have spoilers for those that cant be bothered.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Just when you thought your natural immunity was enough.....

4th Booster anyone?

 

[Carl_Green]

More concerned about the mass-panic media is creating around it than the actual thing it self

 

[bamberfishcake]

Quite sad that our immune system is being played with, without choice.

I think we are nullifying the effectiveness of it by overdosing with these vaccines. It seems our governments and big pharma are more concerned with making money though.

Many professionals talk of the possible damages this stuff can do to our immune systems, and all the evidence points towards natural immunity being the best course of action after all.

Can't see any benefit to anyone. Luckily I am not vaccinated, I'm not anti-vaccine, but something is amiss when information is being withheld and pharmas want a 75 year restriction on the freedom of information. Not to mention the lobbying of governments, FDA and WHO, plus the privileged few who have made a fortune from buying shares, or by failing miserably with the spending of public money.

Hopefully, a change soon come.

 

[dealer wins]

 

[mack341]

I am highly sceptical about these vaccines, however could that chart result be skewed by children being in the unvaccinated group, as they have a very low risk/negligible of death from covid. It needs stratifying by age at least.

 

[Kroffe]

I am highly sceptical about these vaccines, however could that chart result be skewed by children being in the unvaccinated group, as they have a very low risk/negligible of death from covid. It needs stratifying by age at least.

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Its always like that.

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The group of people with a 100% death rate from Covid are German firefighters that do underground
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[sufferinsilence]

I am highly sceptical about these vaccines, however could that chart result be skewed by children being in the unvaccinated group, as they have a very low risk/negligible of death from covid. It needs stratifying by age at least.

Not only that but AIDS? That's basically where I stopped reading.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Not only that but AIDS? That's basically where I stopped reading.

The rumours about AIDS come from a vaccine that had a small amount of HIV protein.

Although I have no faith in pharma, they wouldn't do something so obviously stupid and blatant, although if they did, nobody would go to prison for it, they would only have to pay a fine at probably a fraction of the profits they would make.

I'm not even sure that the vaccine in question was ever rolled out, but I only read snippets here and there.

 

[sufferinsilence]

The rumours about AIDS come from a vaccine that had a small amount of HIV protein.

Although I have no faith in pharma, they wouldn't do something so obviously stupid and blatant, although if they did, nobody would go to prison for it, they would only have to pay a fine at probably a fraction of the profits they would make.

I'm not even sure that the vaccine in question was ever rolled out, but I only read snippets here and there.

Coming to the conclusion triple vaxxed have developed AIDS based on a graph like that is ridiculous and such "media" should simply be ignored.

I read about it too and they were false positives as far as I can remember. I don't mind that certain outlets or scientists are sceptical but just uttering nonsense or not explaining how they got to certain percentages is clickbaiting and/or fearmongering.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Coming to the conclusion triple vaxxed have developed AIDS based on a graph like that is ridiculous and such "media" should simply be ignored.

I read about it too and they were false positives as far as I can remember. I don't mind that certain outlets or scientists are sceptical but just uttering nonsense or not explaining how they got to certain percentages is clickbaiting and/or fearmongering.

That kind of information adds weight to governments shutting down social media accounts and blocking info - which I am completely against.

I think we are intelligent enough to draw our own conclusions, and censoring information is wrong.

Open conversation is what puts people's minds at rest.

Think Dealer's source is completely wrong on this one, thankfully. He has been right on much of the stuff that was sniffed at during the earlier days of this thread

 

[mack341]

Not only that but AIDS? That's basically where I stopped reading.

It is a word that conjures a certain image of serious illness; though I remember the EU medical people mentioned something about too many boosters could fatigue the immune system.

Another related issue is the scuttling of double blind trials by vaccinating the control group.

 

[bamberfishcake]

They seem hell-bent on vaccinating the world, at any cost, regardless of how our natural immunity does, so its no wonder people are speculating and coming up with bizarre conclusions.

Let's assume there is some truth to our immune systems being fatigued, that will make people even more ill, and result in bigger figures for the pandemic, leading to further weight behind more vaccines. After all, I cant see them openly admitting the vaccines are whats done the damage or created further illness, until way down the line with the way information is being censored.

Are we not in the endemic phase now? Is there any real need for more vaccines?

Then, will they develop something else to combat the effects of failing immune systems? All blamed on the Covid pandemic. It seems like the sort of thing an evil genius would dream up in a film.

 

[Jono777]

Regardless of fact, fiction or anything in-between, I am not having any more jabs

Already had my liberty violated by work, ain't happening again anytime soon!

*Touch Wood* - I have not tested positive for Covid-19 since its arrival, always thinking previously I have always had a good immune system, May not be evidence to some but speaks volumes to anyone with even the smallest amount of common sense.

 

[dionysus]

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[JohnSnow]

I doubt he will change for anything

Lmao

 

[JohnSnow]

Regardless of fact, fiction or anything in-between, I am not having any more jabs

Already had my liberty violated by work, ain't happening again anytime soon!

*Touch Wood* - I have not tested positive for Covid-19 since its arrival, always thinking previously I have always had a good immune system, May not be evidence to some but speaks volumes to anyone with even the smallest amount of common sense.

I haven't tested positive either yet and I have a chronic disease and I am not vaccinated. However my mom was infected while she was vaccinated three times. I don't think that corona is a conspiracy. I do think that the measures taken by governments have however impacted people's life forever.

 

[mack341]

Article in the BMJ:

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Medicine is largely dominated by a small number of very large pharmaceutical companies that compete for market share, but are effectively united in their efforts to expanding that market. The short term stimulus to biomedical research because of privatisation has been celebrated by free market champions, but the unintended, long term consequences for medicine have been severe. Scientific progress is thwarted by the ownership of data and knowledge because industry suppresses negative trial results, fails to report adverse events, and does not share raw data with the academic research community. Patients die because of the adverse impact of commercial interests on the research agenda, universities, and regulators.

Regulators receive funding from industry and use industry funded and performed trials to approve drugs, without in most cases seeing the raw data. What confidence do we have in a system in which drug companies are permitted to “mark their own homework” rather than having their products tested by independent experts as part of a public regulatory system?

[Dr John on youtube has also done a recent vid on the above]

 

[mack341]

Oh dear that's a shame, people now get a choice over their personal health decisions

 

[mack341]

Apparently HIV kills T-cells as well, so that's a bit of a worrying, shared attribute if the covid study reported below holds true.

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[medicalnewstoday.com]

 

[dionysus]

Last couple days been achy and sniffly, but then, its spring and didnt really think much of it

Mom just called and tested for covid today and she was here last week

Just went to the pharmacy and did a rapid test and neagtive ...yay
Though mom has covid, so booo

 

[dionysus]

Being...over silly and enjoying, because.......you do what ya gotta do, right?

Mom's 80s plus. she's foughten (yes, Canadian, boughten is a word, so foughten comes naturally) cancer and trucked along
She's..unwell, just flu...symptoms, but positive for covid
But lost a lot to flu last 2 yrs.

So, ya, tunes, fun, and checking in on is what I can do

 

[mack341]

Not sure what the chinese are up to with these 'hazmat suit' vids they keep putting out, frighten or reassure their own public

 

[Kroffe]

Not sure what the chinese are up to with these 'hazmat suit' vids they keep putting out, frighten or reassure their own public

Wasnt it the same in China at the beginning of Covid?
I mean with lockdowns, hazmat suits and stuff.

Probably easier to get people to stay indoors if you make a big show with hazmat suits, disinfecting roads etc to show how 'dangerous' outside is.

 

[goatwack]

Only a government as ruthlessly nihilistic as the Chinese's would look to ascertain 'Zero Covid' status, and put its citizens through hell trying to attain it, with what - over a Billion people. It's like it's being run by Fuk Yu and Dum Dum

 

[sufferinsilence]

Not sure what the chinese are up to with these 'hazmat suit' vids they keep putting out, frighten or reassure their own public

What Kroffe said. They're big on PPE over there, even in an "ordinary" flu season.

Anyway, zero covid isn't sustainable but they surely try...

 

[mack341]

Feels like covid theatre, but also more sinister.

They take all these measures now but were lapse in the first instance with that bat woman scientist and her lab.

 

[Skrim]

By the way, have you heard about the new wave of coronavirus in China?

 

[mack341]

Hancock is going to be the main fall guy, but putting him in charge of uk health was lunacy, you need a scientific minded person not an alan partridge type chancer.

 

[dionysus]

Sad face
Moms been 2 weeks off work
(ya, she was mad sick 1st week....2nd week, stellar)
But tested today, covid positive

 

[mack341]

Sad face
Moms been 2 weeks off work
(ya, she was mad sick 1st week....2nd week, stellar)
But tested today, covid positive

If it's one of those nose tests, you might still have some covid dna up there for some time after beating an infection, even more so if it's the sensitive pcr test, which can detect micro amounts of dead dna and come back positive.

 

[dionysus]

If it's one of those nose tests, you might still have some covid dna up there for some time after beating an infection, even more so if it's the sensitive pcr test, which can detect micro amounts of dead dna and come back positive.

moms a psw, and staff tested daily.....every day

 

[electronictonic]

If it's one of those nose tests, you might still have some covid dna up there for some time after beating an infection, even more so if it's the sensitive pcr test, which can detect micro amounts of dead dna and come back positive.

Ah this old chesnut, you can have the normal flu in say December and your body fights it off, if you then take a PCR test 6 months later it will come back as positive for covid because you still have fragments of that normal flu in December, because they run the PCR test at many cycles above the recommended amount, basically the higher the cycles they run the higher chance it is a false positive, those daft enough to take a test should demand to know how many cycles it is being run at before agreeing to take a test, I think the recommended is 21 cycles and they are using something like 38 or even more, that is how you make a "casedemic"

 

[mack341]

Just shows it's not fundamentally about health but compliance, control, and ever more closer surveillance via technology, which now makes it possible.

 

[dionysus]

so , mon trucked through. She sounded like a bag o' $hit for a week but a co-worker came around and she tested negative twice, so she came out the other side fine

 

[Skrim]

so , mon trucked through. She sounded like a bag o' $hit for a week but a co-worker came around and she tested negative twice, so she came out the other side fine

Good for her, I had coronavirus before the vaccination, it was a terrible condition

 

[mack341]

This is not to annoy those that have had the shot or even basically forced to have it, but this kind of information is still relevant to share. It's a scientific opinion rather than a blind guess from a bloke on the internet.

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Speaking to UnHerd‘s Freddie Sayers, Professor Christine Stabell-Benn from the University of Southern Denmark added that there is “major pushback” to her efforts to investigate the effects of vaccines on all-cause mortality and many regulators and companies simply don’t want to know.

Would she recommend Covid vaccination, Freddie asks. Based on what we know currently, “I wouldn’t recommend vaccination of anybody [under] 50 years of age” with the mRNA vaccines, she says.

Asked if she would recommend either vaccine to her (hypothetical) adult children in their 20s, her answer is an immediate and emphatic “no”.

That comes from decades of studying non-specific effects of vaccines and realising that the protective immunity against the vaccine disease can come at a high price. With the unknowns in relation to the new vaccine types I would be on the safe side of things and say that as long as your risk of severe Covid is low then I wouldn’t run the risk of taking a new vaccine which hasn’t been tested for its overall health effects. And regrettably we still lack that data. We tried to do the best we can with the very limited data in this study that we have now submitted but it’s not good enough.

 

[Skrim]

This is not to annoy those that have had the shot or even basically forced to have it, but this kind of information is still relevant to share. It's a scientific opinion rather than a blind guess from a bloke on the internet.

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Speaking to UnHerd‘s Freddie Sayers, Professor Christine Stabell-Benn from the University of Southern Denmark added that there is “major pushback” to her efforts to investigate the effects of vaccines on all-cause mortality and many regulators and companies simply don’t want to know.

Would she recommend Covid vaccination, Freddie asks. Based on what we know currently, “I wouldn’t recommend vaccination of anybody [under] 50 years of age” with the mRNA vaccines, she says.

Asked if she would recommend either vaccine to her (hypothetical) adult children in their 20s, her answer is an immediate and emphatic “no”.

That comes from decades of studying non-specific effects of vaccines and realising that the protective immunity against the vaccine disease can come at a high price. With the unknowns in relation to the new vaccine types I would be on the safe side of things and say that as long as your risk of severe Covid is low then I wouldn’t run the risk of taking a new vaccine which hasn’t been tested for its overall health effects. And regrettably we still lack that data. We tried to do the best we can with the very limited data in this study that we have now submitted but it’s not good enough.

In fact, any vaccine is dangerous, side effects or allergic reactions are inherent to any vaccine, any drug has side effects

 

[mack341]

In fact, any vaccine is dangerous, side effects or allergic reactions are inherent to any vaccine, any drug has side effects

With so many chronic conditions/diseases having [or suspected of involving] an immune system element, I think it is wise to be a bit cautious rather than full steam ahead.

If you don't beat off covid early, and it starts to replicate you can be in trouble, so folk naturally want to avail themselves of antibody levels pre catching it, but not sure all the facts and figures have been worked out to date.

 

[dionysus]

snap
4 (3?) yrs, covid hasnt really hit my circle
last 2 months, a half dozen maybe, friends and fam

 

[mack341]

According to Dr Mike Yeadon, the prospect of forced vaccination and the accompanying ID is not over, he's left the uk to live in Florida because of his fears; and old bill gates is popping up again now to warn new covid strains far more serious could appear, I hope he's just trying to have the last word or keep his PR machine going, rather than making an accurate prediction.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Looks like no matter the facts, vaccines are going to be forced upon us all.

On the plus side, Covid will become a thing of the past, because the vaccines will protect us and eventually eradicate it.....hmmmm

 

[Skrim]

With so many chronic conditions/diseases having [or suspected of involving] an immune system element, I think it is wise to be a bit cautious rather than full steam ahead.

If you don't beat off covid early, and it starts to replicate you can be in trouble, so folk naturally want to avail themselves of antibody levels pre catching it, but not sure all the facts and figures have been worked out to date.

The funny thing is that my friends with chronic diseases are forced to be vaccinated, although no one guarantees that they will be okay.

 

[electronictonic]

Still think masks work? he got KY state mask mandates overturned.

During a 15-min presentation before the New Hampshire Senate Health and Human Services Committee in March, Stephen Petty, a certified industrial hygienist, certified safety professional, professional engineer, and court expert witness of 400 cases/trials, and with 45 years of experience in the field – explained there was never any control group testing to verify masks actually do work

 

[mack341]

This is a bit of a wtf as well as covid related, 'coronavac' is the other name for 'Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine, is an whole inactivated virus COVID-19 vaccine developed by the Chinese company Sinovac Biotech' so hopefully round these parts few have had it.

 

[mack341]

I think all those nurses recovered in 72hrs, ocular erosion perhaps sounds worse than what it is; I think when they make vaccines they have to add things to stimulate a stronger immune reaction, and eyes are very sensitive to chemicals.

 

[slotplayer]

I've stopped following the covid news closely. Also ditched the mask and spray bottle weeks ago. Freedom!
Still see a few people wearing masks but most don't anymore.

 

[goatwack]

Yes, one still sees the mask stragglers, the older Münchausen hens huddled together at bus stops and the likes, or the classic 'young person walking down the road by themselves' masked-up to the eyeballs, lest Covid blindside them and drag them into the abyss.

And yet you'll step onto a London bus and see said masked protectors mouth-breathe so badly that one can't but help to be overcome by the diversity of fragrances wafting around with gay abandon. Covid- safe - perhaps, but it hums like you've emptied your local curry house and bathed in garlic, before opting not to brush your teeth for a fortnight ?

Also spotted a fellow who stood by a shop, who looked like Andre The Giant's offspring, he must've been about 6'8, doing his civic mask duty, looking like a complete berk. Didn't mention this in passing mind, as I didn't want my skull caved in ?‍

 

[mack341]

I recently saw a bloke in the supermarket, dressed in something resembling tough guy, gangster rap attire so I was slightly amazed to look up and also see the mask. The place is huge [and 95% empty at the time] with enough space to drive a car down the aisles, I mean come on man there are tons of pensioners not even bothering anymore. I suppose covid = big risk of death must be the overriding assumption, or concerns about passing something on. Brainwashed ninny though was my conclusion at the time ?