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Never got mumps however 
DID get mono 3x (booooo), in high school...and no, Ive never had an STI, and no, I dont have Epstein Barr
Just...a weakened immune system opened up to, well, everything.
Plus side, never been sick since I was a kid Not even a cold since I wa a kid ....30 yrs no flu or colds
DID get mono 3x (booooo), in high school...and no, Ive never had an STI, and no, I dont have Epstein Barr
Just...a weakened immune system opened up to, well, everything.
Plus side, never been sick since I was a kid
Not even a cold since I wa a kid ....30 yrs no flu or colds
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and FWIW; i harbour no ill will toward anyone has, had STD's, STI's or HIV
I have, nor have never had, any one of the above.
I just had strep, and tonsilitis many times in HS (still have my tonsils).
These days, I guess, because I had, well, EVERYthing, as a kid, my body, is well, ef that, we good, bud, you paid your dues, and we be anti bodies GALORE
But ya, I'm very MUCH pro vaccinations early
I have, nor have never had, any one of the above.
I just had strep, and tonsilitis many times in HS (still have my tonsils).
These days, I guess, because I had, well, EVERYthing, as a kid, my body, is well, ef that, we good, bud, you paid your dues, and we be anti bodies GALORE
But ya, I'm very MUCH pro vaccinations early
I recall you telling me about your Herpes affliction, so good try, you Silly Sally!and FWIW; i harbour no ill will toward anyone has, had STD's, STI's or HIV
I have, nor have never had, any one of the above.
I just had strep, and tonsilitis many times in HS (still have my tonsils).
These days, I guess, because I had, well, EVERYthing, as a kid, my body, is well, ef that, we good, bud, you paid your dues, and we be anti bodies GALORE
But ya, I'm very MUCH pro vaccinations early
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lmao, I'm neurotic to the point of.....uh, wait, cool beans n all, sure you can share my straw (surreptitiously tosses straw)...whups, weird, how'd THAT happen?
*bastard, you told me it was a shaving cut
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Would you concede that the range, seriousness and frequency of side effects with the dna/mrna covid vaccines are greater than the traditional flu vaccine?
The discussion about these vaxxes becomes more relevant and pointed (for me) if the govt were once again to try and go down the coercion and forcing route. Austria was on the brink of fining unjabbed citizens many thousands of pounds, that's got to be the wrong way of convincing people.
Plus the children issue, as they can't really make an educated, full consent decision and are at much lower risk from covid, and natural infection provides broader protection afaik.
Some believe this unknown virus of unspecified origin was just a 'test run' anyway, to see how populations can be manipulated and coerced, how attitudes and opposing views could be curtailed, and that future outbreaks are something we should all get used to.
Was it not Fauci who'd stated that mask impositions were used as a form of control over people? Either way, I hope he recovers swiftly from his bout of Covid, Godspeed ?
And lest we forget the Austrian government's appalling subjugation of its citizens, testing and probing with their threats, you can almost guarantee that their sudden U-turn wasn't because of an onset of guilt or morally 'doing the right thing', its reasons more than likely money-oriented or political.
And vaccinating children using the vaccines in their current state, without the hindsight of long-term potential effects etc, should be an instant no-no, unlike vaccines that have been around for decades for other ailments, where parents can make informed choices.
Was it not Fauci who'd stated that mask impositions were used as a form of control over people? Either way, I hope he recovers swiftly from his bout of Covid, Godspeed ?
And lest we forget the Austrian government's appalling subjugation of its citizens, testing and probing with their threats, you can almost guarantee that their sudden U-turn wasn't because of an onset of guilt or morally 'doing the right thing', its reasons more than likely money-oriented or political.
And vaccinating children using the vaccines in their current state, without the hindsight of long-term potential effects etc, should be an instant no-no, unlike vaccines that have been around for decades for other ailments, where parents can make informed choices.
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But the vaccines that have ‘been around for decades’ weren’t always around for decades. They were ‘new’ and historically untested at one point too.
It’s also pertinent to point out that mRNA vaccine technology HAS been around for decades.
For what it’s worth I don’t necessarily think there’s much point to vaccinating young children against COVID either. However, I can counter this by saying I’m no health professional…so I can’t really make claims that have more weight than the professionals.
Yes, vaccines had a starting point and were untested, up until the point they were rigorously trialled over years I'd imagine
- unlike the various 'hit & hope' concoctions that Big Pharma cobbled together to exploit the Media- driven hysteria and foisted upon populations under threat of losing their civil liberties. Which I can see quite a few are all too happy to forego!
And yes, mRNA had been researched since the early '90s I believe, though its application not widespread, or else I'd imagine it'd be prevalent in every medical procedure?
So again, that's not to say the science and technological progress and strides being made can't be seen as positive, provided one believes these pharmaceutical behemoths will use them to advance the human race, but from where I'm sat, I believe they've pulled a massive hit & run to the tune of $$$Trillions, and will be more likely to engineer further 'instances' from which they stand to make more.
And even more perturbing is the notion that the documented side-effects of these pseudo-vaccines are being outright dismissed and ridiculed, with various 'professionals' not coming to an understanding as to the possible dangers of foisting these unto children. But then one thing that has come out of this charade is the prevailing attitude of "I'm alright Jack", and that as long as one is seen to be on the right side of history, the rest is superfluous clap-trap and disinformation. And that in itself is the real tragedy
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Person Im in constant close contact with and share a house with got a sore throat n cough for past 2 days, tested positive twice since. They have had 2 shots but not in over 9 months since they decided to not continue with those.
I expected to feel something by now considering we are close 24/7 and this isnt a big house, being not vaccinaterered and all, but I just can't get it.
I expected to feel something by now considering we are close 24/7 and this isnt a big house, being not vaccinaterered and all, but I just can't get it.
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Is that true? I'm asking because I was under the impression the data suggested natural immunity would have reaped similar rewards.
Isn't the efficacy of the vaccines what many are questioning, and the lack of data to support their benefits. I only ask because maybe I am living in a bubble, feeding off my limited sources of news.
Hard to find the facts when Pfizer and the CDC are trying to cover them up, along with the mainstream media lies and character assassinations of people with more experience in the medical profession than the governments who shut them up (not talking Rogan).
Throw in a shower of incompetence and misinformation from start to finish, and I don't know who to trust or what information to 'fact-check'.
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I find it very hard to accept this as just one of those unfortunate things and then move on to lauding the vaccines' efficiency, safety and ability, which were considerably overstated when they received licensing approval and then hyped by the media and authorities.
That is a poignant, mournful capture and pretty sad to see. I'm not even sure I'd share that on the Socials though, given people's penchant for cynicism and doubt. They're just as likely to say the causes aren't definitely linked to this, and that this doesn't prove anything (or worse - of course)
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Yes especially on twitter you open yourself up to some wicked, troll like people, out to inflict further pain on a victim given the slimmest opportunity.
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It also renews my hatred and loathing for the folk behind funding the 'research' work in wuhan and those who created this virus,
then accidentally, or not, releasing it. :machinegunner:
then accidentally, or not, releasing it. :machinegunner:
It's just wrought financial devastation that'll take years to recover from, just as we'd slowly seen the green shoots of recovery post-2008....
And what with Interest Rates climbing another quarter percent, and seemingly no one wanting to adopt full-time work anymore, employers can't even fill vacancies, as everyone sees out their days based on customized lifestyle modifications ?
I just sense we'll see more of these occurrences, and a long road ahead of austerity, a workshy economy and disruptions aplenty, all amidst more old and 'new' forms of disease.
Hurray!
And what with Interest Rates climbing another quarter percent, and seemingly no one wanting to adopt full-time work anymore, employers can't even fill vacancies, as everyone sees out their days based on customized lifestyle modifications ?
I just sense we'll see more of these occurrences, and a long road ahead of austerity, a workshy economy and disruptions aplenty, all amidst more old and 'new' forms of disease.
Hurray!
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The job vacancies/filling posts from what i've seen, far more difficult than few years ago. Being involved in recent ones: gone from having to shortlist from a quite a few solid apps, to basically seeing everyone who has applied.
Think it's a collection: from folk, during CV-19 ditching a job, taking on another work and not going back to their previous profession
Questions from folk being interviewed are now moving to: what's your home-working policy, rather than: is your pension defined benefit or contribution etc. Companies who therefore either A. don't want to offer hybrid working or B. Cant - (most likely due to archaic systems/the type of work) are going to find it hard to attract people now.
Having had a lot of leeway due to what i do, of going in/not going in, you'd need to drag my arse across hot coals to work at a place who told me 9-5pm, in this low ceiling office and therefore for those who've had a taste of the good life, they're going to migrate to those places who offer it - all that will have knock on effects down various industries i think.
Scotland's not been bad for apprenticeships here - i'd plough more money into that rather than, maybe it's changed in recent years i don't know, the obsession with almost forcing folk into the Uni route.
Think it's a collection: from folk, during CV-19 ditching a job, taking on another work and not going back to their previous profession
Questions from folk being interviewed are now moving to: what's your home-working policy, rather than: is your pension defined benefit or contribution etc. Companies who therefore either A. don't want to offer hybrid working or B. Cant - (most likely due to archaic systems/the type of work) are going to find it hard to attract people now.
Having had a lot of leeway due to what i do, of going in/not going in, you'd need to drag my arse across hot coals to work at a place who told me 9-5pm, in this low ceiling office and therefore for those who've had a taste of the good life, they're going to migrate to those places who offer it - all that will have knock on effects down various industries i think.
Scotland's not been bad for apprenticeships here - i'd plough more money into that rather than, maybe it's changed in recent years i don't know, the obsession with almost forcing folk into the Uni route.
For sure, apprenticeship's where it's at. Too many graduates piling in to the market with ever-worthless degrees that no one can accommodate, whereas with apprenticeships you get hands-on experience and an actual trade, which will serve young people better going forward.
Unlike the days when apprenticeships were not so in vogue and degrees were all the rage!
Unlike the days when apprenticeships were not so in vogue and degrees were all the rage!
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people can think what they want but so far 41 people have died from getting the Astrazeneca vaccine while 6.3 million people have died from Covid 19. The story about the child going to his father's funeral shortly after the Astrazeneca vaccine is sad but so is this and there are many more stories
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One of the problems with 'natural immunity' is that you have to get infected first before the immune system can respond by producing antibodies. If you are unlucky enough to be exposed in the future, the immune system recognises the illness, and produces antibodies that usually prevent another infection. In fact, it is possible to develop life-long immunity from an infection, but that depends very much on the illness contracted.
In the case of COVID-19, current research does not show 'natural immunity' being a lifelong safeguard, but this is still under investigation.
Also, due to the nature of COVID-19, serious health issues can result from the infection, and again, it is not currently known how natural immunity, given its potentially short shelf-life, will react.
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I agree wholeheartedly.It's just wrought financial devastation that'll take years to recover from, just as we'd slowly seen the green shoots of recovery post-2008....
And what with Interest Rates climbing another quarter percent, and seemingly no one wanting to adopt full-time work anymore, employers can't even fill vacancies, as everyone sees out their days based on customized lifestyle modifications ?
I just sense we'll see more of these occurrences, and a long road ahead of austerity, a workshy economy and disruptions aplenty...
The financial devastation from COVID-19 "protective measures", combined with what is now happening in Ukraine/Russia, has created the perfect storm for a new Great Depression that very few will be able to escape from some of the consequences..
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Imo the 'natural immunity' route started making alot of sense for people under 50 when the Omicron variant outcompeted the other variants.
Super transmissible and unless im mistaken it was also a bit milder than previous variants.
We didnt really have lockdowns here, but there were some restricitons for stores,pubs etc.
All those were removed in i think all Nordic countries around the same time Omicron took over.
No massive rise in hospitalisation/death that i can remember from any of the Nordic countries.
My biggest issue with the vaccine (i took the first two shots) is that it does not stop you from getting covid, it does not stop you from spreading covid. Yes it makes the symptoms milder, but for people under 50 mild symptoms is what the vast majority gets even without the vaccine.
You also mentioned shelf-life, but that is also very much a problem with the vaccine. You only have 2-3 months with decent protection and then it rapidly drops.
"Protection against infection is likely short-term, lasting less than six months, but protection against severe disease appears more robust, researchers with the U.K. Health Security Agency
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Friday.Specifically, the researchers found that right after the third shot of the Pfizer vaccine, protection against a symptomatic infection is pretty good. Two weeks after the shot, the booster cuts the risk by about 70%.
But that protection falls quickly. By three months, the booster reduces the risk of a symptomatic infection only by about 50%.
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, the U.K. researchers estimate the protection will decline even further, dropping to about 40% about four months after the third shot."If you look at the adverse effects list that Pfizer was forced to release (instead of hiding it for 75 years) you will quickly see why i choose to not take a booster every 3 months just to keep my protection up.
Im young-ish and have no underlying conditions, looking at the mortality rate for my group (30-40 years no underlying conditons) i really dont feel like i have any need to boost (get it) my odds.
Imo its time to start treating it like the flu vaccine, its given to the elderly and people at risk.
We had no lockdowns or mandates in Sweden and still did just fine, we could have done better but i bet you we had a happier population than all the countries that had forced vaccines and lockdowns.
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Mr Yellowstone Bear, I didn't want to get involved in a vaccine vs natural immunity argument. All I was providing - or attempting to - were some facts about natural immunity, how it works, and what researchers are beginning to discover about its "shelf-life".
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Where does the '41' figure come from if you don't mind me asking?
I think most places stopped using the AZ, certainly for the demographic groups who seemed at risk of these fatal clots.
The point is not just to settle for anything (death from an illness is different from death due to a medicine) actually have some good benchmarks the vaccine must surpass for safety, effectiveness etc... Probably the flu vaccine's overall performance is what you'd want to match at least, and they've been around donkey's years.
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spoke too soon didn't I, lol. came on with a big headache and hot n cold shivers for half the evening. didn't help that I'd barely slept in 3 days prior though tbqh lol. didnt stop me punting away till 5am either like a boss.
Exact same symptons as my brother down south had recently, though he injects himself with the mystery fluid due to having got a job with nhs just when covid begun.
feek ok today though.
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Having been in a house with bonanza running at the same time as CV-19, i know which was the biggest challenge to overcome.
BTW - up here i Scotland we call the mystery fluid by it's name: heroin
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"Flu viruses are constantly mutating, so the vaccine is updated annually based on researchers' best guess of which virus strains will be circulating among people in a given season."
"Several flu viruses are circulating all the time, which is why people may still get the flu despite being vaccinated since the vaccine is specific to one strain."
Source: World Health Organisation
Best guess, eh? So in effect, the flu vaccine we received this year is not the same as the flu vaccine from last year, or the year before, or even the year before that, and doesn't necessarily prevent infection after being vaccinated.
Sounds suspiciously similar to people still getting COVID after being vaccinated, due to the different mutations, such as Delta, Omicron, etc.
BUT, although vaccines are rigorously tested before release, there have been some horrendous incidences of newly released vaccines causing major health issues.
The “Cutter Incident” (1955): The Salk polio vaccine produced by Cutter laboratories actually contained the live poliovirus, resulting in permanent paralysis, even deaths, among not only vaccinated individuals, but also close contacts.
Swine Flu (1976): The large scale vaccinations in the USA resulted resulted in a high number of Guillain-Barré syndrome cases. Although now reportedly the only negative reaction to flu vaccine, and occurring so rarely as to be negligible, rigorous monitoring of the Flu vaccine for this potentially fatal disease is undertaken very year.
Source: National Library of medicine.
As a direct result from both of these incidents, the FDA "now requires extensive testing to evaluate the safety and efficacy of vaccines prior to licensure. After licensure, FDA requires ongoing lot-release testing and manufacturing facility inspections. Additionally, manufacturers are required to conduct post-licensure safety monitoring for their products and report to the FDA."
Source: National Library of Medicine.
So onto the most important question of all, and one which @mack341 rightly has major concerns about. Will all the recently developed COVID vaccines prove to be another Cutter/Swine Flu incident, or have the rigorous development measures taken been enough to ensure vaccine safety?
"Because of the high volume of use, coincidental adverse events including deaths, that are temporally associated with vaccination, do occur. When death occurs shortly following vaccination, loved ones and others might naturally question whether it was related to vaccination."
Source: World Health Organisation
Many instances of the COVID vaccine causing deaths are reported to VAERS, which is then taken as gospel by many people. However, "VAERS is a voluntary reporting system which accepts any submitted report of an adverse event without judging its clinical significance or whether it was caused by a vaccination."
Source: World Health Organisation.
To summarise: Is there really a major issue with the COVID vaccines that is steadily being exposed? Or are most cases due to misunderstanding the VAERS database? Or even - as stated by WHO - a natural tendency to associate deaths immediately after a vaccine to the vaccine itself?
Regrettably, at this point in time, it is impossible to make an informed judgement one way or another. In a few more years, when more information is available, there might prove to be a "Long Vaccine" issue alongside the "Long COVID" issue. Or not.
All any of us can do is to act according to our beliefs. And hopefully, we will all live to tell the tale.
EDIT: Appears as if I am steadily taking over VWM's role in producing wordy (rappinghood) posts.
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the 41 figure comes from google and i realize how flawed it is but it's the only number i could find....even if the numbers were a thousand times higher than this (which i very highly doubt it but let's assume that's the case we're still talking 41 thousand deaths versus millions).
Regardless I didn't get an Astrazanica shot and got the MRNA vaccine instead which seems to be outperforming it anyways.
We're at a point where its obvious we're not stopping its spread anymore so jab or no jab everyone will get it...thankfully the virus seems to have mutated and become "milder" for most but that doesnt mean it isn't dangerous.
my biggest concern now (other than spreading it to a loved one) is the possible long term side effects. my dad is a long hauler and i can tell you I wouldnt want to have the same issues he's been having as I love food (he can't test or smell food anymore since he got Covid 6+ months ago).
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Even though I'm the pickiest, most plain and boring eater you'd possibly ever meet (had to be bribed to try baked beans as a kid, which I liked, but don't eat butter , cheese, pizza, ketchup, salt, or pretty much anything you freaks of nature put on your burgers and hot dogs, to name a few things) I'd go insane not being able to taste or smell for months on end. Before I came down ill yesterday I found myself not wanting chicken because it smelt and tasted, err, too chicken-e. Almost as if I got an increase with my taste and smell.
My gutt tells me smoking (don't do it kids) might protect the lungs from covid. Perhaps the beautiful layer of tar prevents it from lodging there. Feck knows, but my bro smokes and while he didn't get the bug from around my area, he had it recently and he got the same symptons as I. The person I caught it from however, none smoker, came down with a cough and sore throat, followed by flu type symptoms, sniffing etc. not the shivers or headache we did. And I definately caught it from her..
Anyway(s), was ok for the afternoon but still not fully over it. Mild compared to the first evening but still occasionally getting small episodes of cold shivers and warm sweats.
My gutt tells me smoking (don't do it kids) might protect the lungs from covid. Perhaps the beautiful layer of tar prevents it from lodging there. Feck knows, but my bro smokes and while he didn't get the bug from around my area, he had it recently and he got the same symptons as I. The person I caught it from however, none smoker, came down with a cough and sore throat, followed by flu type symptoms, sniffing etc. not the shivers or headache we did. And I definately caught it from her..
Anyway(s), was ok for the afternoon but still not fully over it. Mild compared to the first evening but still occasionally getting small episodes of cold shivers and warm sweats.
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I was going to add provided the strain is a good match but the overall point wouldn't change, I don't think there has been more than a few fatal reactions to the flu jab over 3 decades, since the vaers came in - I could be wrong there but sure I read that somewhere.
To date not one person/family has received compensation for a covid vaccine injury/death in the uk, even though there is a [old] compensation process for vaccine injury, it's not exactly near the top of the 'to do' list it seems.
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Being lazy, so I am not going to check for exact figures from the WHO, but I recall it being less than 1 death per x million vaccines, if even that.
Apparently, it is far more likely to actually die from the Flu than it is from the Flu vaccine, as the Flu can still cause high death rates in many countries. Must admit, I was quite surprised to read that, probably because I have always assumed the Flu to be no more than sniffles, aching bones and a bit of a temperature..
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About time smoking was good for something. Other than the Marlborough Man, of course. Ooh err missus.
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Oh believe me, the flu is HORRENDOUS. I’ve had it twice, once in Feb 2007 and again in Sept 2009 (swine flu).
The first one knocked me completely off my feet for a week solid. I couldn’t eat, couldn’t keep my head up, couldn’t get up to go the toilet, nothing. I spent most of my time either asleep or wishing that the grim reaper would take me…I felt THAT ill.
Second time wasn’t quite as bad. Still felt utterly lousy but was prescribed tamiflu pretty promptly which cut recuperation time.
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ive had no vaccines and im proud of that,i beleive in the common cold,flu influenza whatever you call it,but not covid 19
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I think some flu strains are worse than others, the term 'man flu' has probably undermined fear of real flu. My worst ever illness to date was flu, waves of nausea, headaches and fever for a week. As Mr Slot5 said, you want to die, and the time goes so slow.
They used to say migrating birds bring the flu here from the far east, and it felt like an illness from that region if that makes sense, where the temperature etc and conditions create more serious viruses than a typical uk cold.
They used to say migrating birds bring the flu here from the far east, and it felt like an illness from that region if that makes sense, where the temperature etc and conditions create more serious viruses than a typical uk cold.
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The Medical world was left stunned today when a local brodude, a middle-age guy known as Adam the Addict, disclosed the cure to Covid-19.
Health authorities were seen scrambling to administer Cuban cigars to the elderly, and talks ongoing as to whether give under-12s Red Stripe or Lambert & Butler.
A minister stated: "We are now seeing the tide turn in our fight against Covid, and I'd urge those not balls-deep in smoking to consider doing so. We're all in this together. And if running low on doses, blow-backs are encouraged, especially amongst the 18-35 age group. Let's beat this thing!
Hands > Face > Toke"
Health authorities were seen scrambling to administer Cuban cigars to the elderly, and talks ongoing as to whether give under-12s Red Stripe or Lambert & Butler.
A minister stated: "We are now seeing the tide turn in our fight against Covid, and I'd urge those not balls-deep in smoking to consider doing so. We're all in this together. And if running low on doses, blow-backs are encouraged, especially amongst the 18-35 age group. Let's beat this thing!
Hands > Face > Toke"
They told you the 3 jabs (not a vaccine) would stop you catching and stop the spread of the "killer pandemic" all 100% disinfomation, so when are they all arrested?
..and yet they now want babies and 5 year olds etc jabbed?!?!?!?! yet they know of side effects too...
these WEF leaders are the biggest criminals in history and the covid farce is the biggest transfer of wealth with that just the first chapter, now fuel and energy...food shortage and power cuts to come next, all planned of course.
oh yes and I never had one jab, got "covid" just like usual cold/flu yet I see the millions saying thank god i got the jabs or i would have been dead....haha gullible idiots.
..and yet they now want babies and 5 year olds etc jabbed?!?!?!?! yet they know of side effects too...
these WEF leaders are the biggest criminals in history and the covid farce is the biggest transfer of wealth with that just the first chapter, now fuel and energy...food shortage and power cuts to come next, all planned of course.
oh yes and I never had one jab, got "covid" just like usual cold/flu yet I see the millions saying thank god i got the jabs or i would have been dead....haha gullible idiots.
Lest we forget the CDP, those purveyors of comedy and fear-mongering, approving the vaccination of 6-month olds and above with the Moderna vaccine!
.....a tool, like the first inoculations for adults, for restoring their lives to a sense of normalcy. During a public comment period for the hearing Friday, parents shared stories of kids who haven’t been able to visit grandparents or spoke aspirationally about doing basic things they read about in books, like going to the aquarium....
F*** off. Leave the kids alone
.....a tool, like the first inoculations for adults, for restoring their lives to a sense of normalcy. During a public comment period for the hearing Friday, parents shared stories of kids who haven’t been able to visit grandparents or spoke aspirationally about doing basic things they read about in books, like going to the aquarium....
F*** off. Leave the kids alone
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They did in spring 2021, certainly the US President Biden, the cdc lady iirc, tv presenters etc.. They are not saying it now obviously
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday walked back controversial comments made by its director, Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, suggesting that people who are vaccinated against the coronavirus never become infected or transmit the virus to others.
In a television interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Dr. Walensky referred to data published by the C.D.C. showing that one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 80 percent effective at preventing infection, and two doses were 90 percent effective.
That certainly suggested that transmission from vaccinated people might be unlikely, but Dr. Walensky’s comments hinted that protection was complete. “Our data from the C.D.C. today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” she said. “And that it’s not just in the clinical trials, it’s also in real-world data.”
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Interesting article, that "may" explain the reason that vaccinated people tend to catch covid more than the unjabbed.
In my circle of family and friends (30), every single person jabbed has had covid at least once(all 20), most twice(14), two have had it 3 times and one four times.
Those not jabbed (10) have either had covid once (6), or not had it at all (4).
And those who declined the jab, I can with certainty say also ignored social distancing/LD rules way more than those jabbed.
This article sort of saying similar, and if they are correct it doesnt look good to me.
Im not saying they are correct, but they are worthy of discussion by our country's health experts and journalists, but they seem to dismiss and ignore anything unfavourable about the jabs, and scream "disinformation" "antivaxxer"
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In my circle of family and friends (30), every single person jabbed has had covid at least once(all 20), most twice(14), two have had it 3 times and one four times.
Those not jabbed (10) have either had covid once (6), or not had it at all (4).
And those who declined the jab, I can with certainty say also ignored social distancing/LD rules way more than those jabbed.
This article sort of saying similar, and if they are correct it doesnt look good to me.
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Im not saying they are correct, but they are worthy of discussion by our country's health experts and journalists, but they seem to dismiss and ignore anything unfavourable about the jabs, and scream "disinformation" "antivaxxer"
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A pic from that same substack but a different article. IMO Big pharma prefers the 'subscription model', much more profitable if the 'protection' has to be obtained every 6-12 months, perhaps it was impossible for them to create a 1 jab lifetime immunity but I doubt they'd be looking hard in that direction in the first place from a profitability/business point of view
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Depends on whether it is a "live" vaccine or an inactivated one.
Some "Live" vaccines can offer lifetime protection, whereas others (measles, mumps, chickenpox) require a second dose, albeit within a short timeframe.
"Inactivated" vaccines usually require ongoing doses every ten years or so, e.g. tetanus, yellow fever. However others, such as flu vaccinations, are required annually.
Again, who knows how the COVID vaccines will eventually be classified, but until it stops mutating, I have a horrible feeling we are going to be human pincushions for a long time to come.
Note: With the Yellow Fever vaccine, usually one shot is enough to give lifelong protection, unless going into affected areas regularly, then every ten years is recommended. And yes, I have personal experience of receiving this vaccine 3 times over 25 years. All I can say is...I am not scared of needles in any way, shape or form, but the size of the needle used to give the Yellow Fever vaccine puts the fear of God into me, as it is BIG!
omfg its exactly what they said! from Biden to Boris, Macron to Trudeaux, all the build back better WEF bullshitters, changed their tune months after when obv people were seeing it was rubbish, to you wont get the effects as bad, hahah thats not a vaccine!
I remember the initial Covid response by our graph-peddling experts and leaders, where the message was most certainly one of "One and you're done", whereby people could have it administered and live life to the fullest.
I think a lot of people went under that premise and soon realized that that was indeed not the case. There's also a large contingent that'd had the initial shot and booster and decided that's where to draw the line, never mind the appointments pencilled in for future 'boosters'
I think a lot of people went under that premise and soon realized that that was indeed not the case. There's also a large contingent that'd had the initial shot and booster and decided that's where to draw the line, never mind the appointments pencilled in for future 'boosters'
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This was a new virus and people were learning as we went....and are still learning to this day as it mutates and as we learn more about long covid. I wouldn't be shocked if we learned something new in 5 year's time but hopefully by then people won't care because it's impact will be negligible
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