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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

mack341 said:
I think in a way the narrative 'science' folk had to accept natural immunity in the end or rewrite all the medical textbooks and teaching material, they've strung it out as long as possible though.

The great reset, what a load of bollox, everyone gets poorer apart from the davos set who get richer. They wanted and pushed for lockdowns so should contribute heavily to help fix the damage wrought.
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They will be moving onto the next agenda which is climate change with the removal of meat production et al.
This joke didn't end up well for this comedian. I hope she recovers well

 
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If only!: In Scotland, rather than arrest the Health Minister, Yousaf, for general crimes against competency: and driving without insurance despite being Justice Minister (arf, arf), the Comeback kid gets promotions.

We should just arrest human's in general and anyone who lives through it shall be deemed worthy of inheriting the earth,and dealing with Carbon emissions :p
Hard to think that in the 60's Politicians were kicked out for ding dong'ing their mistresses: now they can pretty much perpetrate frauds and, on a general note, lie, and it's a shrug o shoulders

Magical times
 
I won't be entering into any form of debate with anyone who disagrees with the following statement. Just wanted to post how I feel about the current CV-19 situation.

The whole thing now feels like it has a scripted narrative, almost as If it has been controlled from the very start. (Go Figure :rolleyes: )

I hear from part of said narrative that over the next 6 month's or so, it will more or less disappear completely, only to return with a more aggressive strain in about 10 years!

I will be almost 60 by then but really hope I am still here, happily partaking in this thread to say "Told you so" :p

* I am also very hot, tired and bored :o

** No irony here either, lateral flow has returned a negative result :p
 
Jono777 said:
I won't be entering into any form of debate with anyone who disagrees with the following statement. Just wanted to post how I feel about the current CV-19 situation.

The whole thing now feels like it has a scripted narrative, almost as If it has been controlled from the very start. (Go Figure :rolleyes: )

I hear from part of said narrative that over the next 6 month's or so, it will more or less disappear completely, only to return with a more aggressive strain in about 10 years!

I will be almost 60 by then but really hope I am still here, happily partaking in this thread to say "Told you so" :p

* I am also very hot, tired and bored :oops:

** No irony here either, lateral flow has returned a negative result :p
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Not something like 1 year ago, lockdown? I cannae rem...7 day average 'deaths' (not that it means much how they were recording), 1200: today: 300; drop but to warrant a 'no isolation period at all' seems a real 180. Almost like it was never based on science but moreso, horseshit.
 
So it seems the state has intervened with gofundme and now a second fundraiser, givesendgo, purely because they don't like the reasons behind the peaceful protest.

Now threatening with fines and criminal records and police turning up at peoples houses, on the back foot, because they know what they are doing is wrong.

Literally making threats against peaceful protesting and stifling free speech - kind of taints the liberal image I had about Canada.

Trudeau sounds like a debt collector I will never forget, who kept muffling a sentence but dropping in words about going to jail, to this day I don't know exactly what he said because I gave up after asking him to repeat himself several times.

Fascism and bullies spring to mind.

Go Canadian Truckers!
 
mack341 said:
Some conservative Doug ford is, what a joke.

Edit: Then again he's apparently dropping the vax pass soon ?‍♂️
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Interesting to see how it all plays out.
Will the masses turn on the truckers once the store shelves get really empty or will they turn on the officials and force them to cave?
 
slotplayer said:
Interesting to see how it all plays out.
Will the masses turn on the truckers once the store shelves get really empty or will they turn on the officials and force them to cave?
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I hope the latter but probably the truckers will feel the wrath, hard to see why a truck driver must be vaccinated to drive his vehicle, I'm guessing Joseph biden has something to do with it also

Convoy organizers said they were moved to protest by a federal government requirement that truck drivers be fully vaccinated if they want to avoid a 14-day quarantine upon re-entry from the United States. However it's a bilateral measure with the U.S. imposing the same rule on Jan. 22 — meaning that even if Canada ended the restriction, it would make no practical difference.
 
I think the smart move would be to stop the protest for now, so that the supplies get through but schedule to start again in a months time or whatever gives enough time to replenish stocks.

When Unions would strike in the UK, sometimes they would place a length of time for it, return to work and threaten more strike action pending negotiations.
 
Interesting video about Ivermectin trial from Oxford University.




What's also interesting is the first comment:

My graduate work was in anti-cancer metabolites. I developed a compound that didn't work against cancer, but it turned out to be a wide spectrum antibiotic at 1 Gama/ml which was non-toxic to the host. After my work was published, which was necessary before I could be awarded my degree, I got a letter from Merc&Sharp (the name at the time) asking for clarification of a particular step in the synthesis process. My work was funded by a Welch Foundation grant, which required that the work be in the public domain. Today we'd say "Open Source". When they received that response I didn't hear from them again. The reason is obvious, they couldn't patent it. I've thought about that frequently during the last 20 years as resistance to common antibiotics increases. I've wondered how many other safe antibiotics are sitting in theses on library shelves?
 
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I think the smart move would be to stop the protest for now, so that the supplies get through but schedule to start again in a months time or whatever gives enough time to replenish stocks.

When Unions would strike in the UK, sometimes they would place a length of time for it, return to work and threaten more strike action pending negotiations.
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I was thinking maybe they ought to stop the protest now, they've achieved something in terms of making their presence felt and objections fully known, garnered support on that. But it's likely to get ugly now, with trudeau, ford etc sending the cops in to do their dirty work, maybe though ugly scenes is what it will take for the protest to change the policy, and the truckers are prepared to sacrifice themselves for the cause as it were.
 
It's kind of difficult to predict the best course of action, as the truckers are in their element and showing Trudeau up for what he is, a blackfacing, mumbling, jumped- up little despot whose only recourse is to send in the bully boys to silence the protests, all the while making snarky, 'un-leader-like' statements.

On the flip-side, stopping the protests dead in their tracks (pun not intended) would likely ensure, and give these snake leaders time to pass through whatever preventative measures to stop future demonstrations, whereby threats of the army, fines and whatever else will be legally 'ok'.

Just as our Government would very much like to amend our Human Rights laws to include a Bill of Rights that supersedes individuals' rights to refuse e.g jibby- jabbies, on the grounds that the nation's health takes precedence. Or more succinctly, along the lines of "Fuck your human rights chump".

But for now, I say go truckers, they're making a valid point, even if it inconveniences a few people. Much like mandatory vaccinations kinda inconvenience others. Toot Toot! ?
 
goatwack said:
It's kind of difficult to predict the best course of action, as the truckers are in their element and showing Trudeau up for what he is, a blackfacing, mumbling, jumped- up little despot whose only recourse is to send in the bully boys to silence the protests, all the while making snarky, 'un-leader-like' statements.

On the flip-side, stopping the protests dead in their tracks (pun not intended) would likely ensure, and give these snake leaders time to pass through whatever preventative measures to stop future demonstrations, whereby threats of the army, fines and whatever else will be legally 'ok'.

Just as our Government would very much like to amend our Human Rights laws to include a Bill of Rights that supersedes individuals' rights to refuse e.g jibby- jabbies, on the grounds that the nation's health takes precedence. Or more succinctly, along the lines of "Fuck your human rights chump".

But for now, I say go truckers, they're making a valid point, even if it inconveniences a few people. Much like mandatory vaccinations kinda inconvenience others. Toot Toot! ?
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I watched his press briefing last night and the questions from the media where very clearly orchestrated as where the phone in questions. He was asked in parliament if he was waiting for the jabbed to hit 100% before lifting the mandates and he refused to answer that question. I watched it online and the ticker tape of folks comments during it was about 95% pro truckers. As are the comments below this recording.He has ordered the police to take away their fuel and the logs keeping them warm in -20 temperatures. Fucking evil bastard

 
bamberfishcake said:
Interesting video about Ivermectin trial from Oxford University.




What's also interesting is the first comment:

My graduate work was in anti-cancer metabolites. I developed a compound that didn't work against cancer, but it turned out to be a wide spectrum antibiotic at 1 Gama/ml which was non-toxic to the host. After my work was published, which was necessary before I could be awarded my degree, I got a letter from Merc&Sharp (the name at the time) asking for clarification of a particular step in the synthesis process. My work was funded by a Welch Foundation grant, which required that the work be in the public domain. Today we'd say "Open Source". When they received that response I didn't hear from them again. The reason is obvious, they couldn't patent it. I've thought about that frequently during the last 20 years as resistance to common antibiotics increases. I've wondered how many other safe antibiotics are sitting in theses on library shelves?
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Put on hold "due to being unable to obtain Ivermectin" It is easily obtainable from India!
 
bamberfishcake said:
So it seems the state has intervened with gofundme and now a second fundraiser, givesendgo, purely because they don't like the reasons behind the peaceful protest.

Now threatening with fines and criminal records and police turning up at peoples houses, on the back foot, because they know what they are doing is wrong.

Literally making threats against peaceful protesting and stifling free speech - kind of taints the liberal image I had about Canada.

Trudeau sounds like a debt collector I will never forget, who kept muffling a sentence but dropping in words about going to jail, to this day I don't know exactly what he said because I gave up after asking him to repeat himself several times.

Fascism and bullies spring to mind.

Go Canadian Truckers!
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Here is Scwab bragging that he has placed more than half the Canadian Government with his own playmakers

 
The Children's Aid Society has been brought into the fray, with, I guess, the aim being to remove truckers' kids as a great compliance tool.

Parents of said children generally stating the kids are catered for, happy to be there, and that the Covid mandates have been of far greater detriment to their children anyway, i.e lack of socializing in groups, seeing doctors without their families etc, I'm sure the list is pretty extensive.
 
goatwack said:
The Children's Aid Society has been brought into the fray, with, I guess, the aim being to remove truckers' kids as a great compliance tool.

Parents of said children generally stating the kids are catered for, happy to be there, and that the Covid mandates have been of far greater detriment to their children anyway, i.e lack of socializing in groups, seeing doctors without their families etc, I'm sure the list is pretty extensive.
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They have doctors on the ground tending to any needs.
 
slotplayer said:
Interesting to see how it all plays out.
Will the masses turn on the truckers once the store shelves get really empty or will they turn on the officials and force them to cave?
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Heroes to zeroes in a matter of weeks.

Two things are happening in the country right now.

Blockades are blocking the ports of entry at the USA/Canada border. This will have astronomical economic repercussions in both countries. It’s already started. The USA more specifically Michigan which borders Ontario, is starting to feel it and has started putting pressure on the Trudeau government to end this blockade.

The freedom convoy in ottawa has done nothing but annoy and irritate the locals. Closed down businesses of which the pandemic had already decimated.
The reality is that the federal government has no juristidiction over what the provinces will do. Whatever mandates they are demanding to be lifted are decided bu the provincial powers.

three or four provinces other than the one that the truckers are occupying at the moment have already started lifting the restrictions and by mid March they should be done with all restrictions. The lifting of restrictions in these provinces have nothing to do with the truckers and the pressure they are putting in ottawa.

The dangerous part of all this is the lack of response to the freedom convoy on the part of the provincial government. Foreign powers are watching and seeing how easy it is to take over. Does Canada have any enemies? I’m sure they do.

The blockades at the port of entry are a Trudeau problem because ports of entry are under federal jurisdiction but again he has no jurisdiction over what the provinces will decide to do with the pandemic mandates.

What should he do and should have done? He is too worried about pleasing everyone. And this makes for a weak leader. But he has nice hair and looked good in those clips.

If his father was the leader this would have been shut down within the first day.
 
bamberfishcake said:
So far in the media, I've seen the truckers associated with white supremacy, racism, child neglect, violence and disorder.

And I hardly watch the news. All in the cause of pushing a jab as we enter the endemic phase where it seems natural immunity was and still is a better course of action.
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That’s because the two leaders, The people who have organized the freedom convoy in Ottawa are part of political parties that have very far right extreme views. So the media has jumped on this.
 
Steviedoo said:
That’s because the two leaders, The people who have organized the freedom convoy in Ottawa are part of political parties that have very far right extreme views. So the media has jumped on this.
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Oh, I was not aware. Surprised it's not been focused on more to be honest - as I said, dont watch much news but not seen any mention of that and two leaders of the convoy with direct links to white supremacist organisations is a big slur on the protest.

Also not seen anything about the convoy decimating businesses, although it's clear many will be affected, and the decimation of business through government lockdowns cant be forgotten, although, of course, two wrongs don't make a right.

Problem is that it seems only protests that have detrimental effects on big business get anything done. Like with the fuel blockades in the UK - only time the UK government backed down. Personally think we need more, and unfortunately, things will get much worse before they get better.
 
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Anyone who knows Canadian politics especially Quebec politics would agree that mandates were not dropped as a result of the freedom convoys. Laughable at best to think they’ve had any effect.

What made the provinces drop the mandates?
Saskatchewan and PEI have had very low numbers throughout the pandemic. They have been quick to make decisions based on common sense.

Quebec : the leader of the province is managing this pandemic by his poll numbers. He’s in an election year. His numbers were in the toilet since he was thinking of taxxing the unvaxxed. And he’s had the strictest policies during the pandemic. People are tired. His poll numbers reflected this.
 
bamberfishcake said:
Love this guy, his videos are hilarious but so on-point to the hypocritical tyranny of recent events.

'taking freedoms from people is the path to those people having more freedoms, freedom is not the path to more freedom' - classic :)
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Jacinda Trudeau- " mandates are the way to avoid further restrictions" Ha ha ha
 
Steviedoo said:
Anyone who knows Canadian politics especially Quebec politics would agree that mandates were not dropped as a result of the freedom convoys. Laughable at best to think they’ve had any effect.

What made the provinces drop the mandates?
Saskatchewan and PEI have had very low numbers throughout the pandemic. They have been quick to make decisions based on common sense.

Quebec : the leader of the province is managing this pandemic by his poll numbers. He’s in an election year. His numbers were in the toilet since he was thinking of taxxing the unvaxxed. And he’s had the strictest policies during the pandemic. People are tired. His poll numbers reflected this.
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Well, mandates were dropped whilst the freedom convoy is underway, so hardly laughable to believe there could have been some influence.

Happy to have that one chalked up as a victory for the brave truckers honking their horns for freedom. Viva la revolution! Down with tyranny! Rejoice real democracy! and Yay to freedom of speech!

Didn't see anyone bothered about the worldwide BLM protests during the pandemic. As I say, don't watch the news much but I will hedge a bet Trudeau made no objections, after all, it didn't affect the economy or his agenda, and only served to dangerously spread the virus.
 
Well, economy affected a bit - a million + a day affected in trade.
Anyway, a rather small revolution - 85% of the pop is vacced and 90% of truckers; it's a pretty small, though vocal minority, but really, didnt have much impact on mandates, as mentioned, it's a provincial not federal issue so a premiere issue not a prm/Trudeau one.

We're all for peaceful proests, not unlawful ones and especially blockades...and 2/3rds the pop is opposed to the 'freedom' convoy
PS, we arent the states, there isnt a constitutional right to free speech
 
The revolution was part in jest, although it would take a revolution to change the corporate dictatorships we live in.

I think every human being has a right to free speech, regardless of opinion or constitutions :) Oppressing speech is a mind-numbingly stupid thing to do unless you're trying to control populations and thought, and maybe impose mandates and force people to be jabbed with chemicals.

I find it hard to believe, jabbed or not, that people don't agree with freedom of choice.

p.s. I wonder if the mandates are imposed on individuals with strong anti-vax religious beliefs such as Jehovahs Witnesses?
 
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dionysus said:
Well, economy affected a bit - a million + a day affected in trade.
Anyway, a rather small revolution - 85% of the pop is vacced and 90% of truckers; it's a pretty small, though vocal minority, but really, didnt have much impact on mandates, as mentioned, it's a provincial not federal issue so a premiere issue not a prm/Trudeau one.

We're all for peaceful proests, not unlawful ones and especially blockades...and 2/3rds the pop is opposed to the 'freedom' convoy
PS, we arent the states, there isnt a constitutional right to free speech
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That has to be the most in-depth analysis I've ever seen from a Leninist :p

Only joking of couяse. It wasn't that in- depth
 
Sure. Everyone should enjoy free speech and do what you want...providing you want to live off somewhere in a cave and not be part of a society where the whole is considered important; people always seem to be happy to enjoy the perks of civilization until something is asked in return, like, a modicum of decency.
We don't WANT constituionall guarnteed rights to bear arms and walk around gun in pocket on the streets. I enjoy the fact I can walk down any dark alley at 2am and no I'll arrive home.
We don't WANT freedom of speech where every hate monger gets a platform.

We have freedom of expression - under that umbrella, thought, opnions, expression, belief. But people are still bound by the laws of the society they live in.
Protest? Have at 'er.
Illegally block roads, highways, trade routes impacting millions? Not so much
There's a reason people linternationally look at the 2 sides of the border in very distinct ways
 
To note, the convoy and blockade(s) doesnt represent the whole - shelves here are still full. 90% of truckers are vacced. The entire country borders the south. I hit the liquor store and grocery mart yesterday, still piled high.
Do blockades hurt? Sure do. Has the country ground to a halt? No.
 
dionysus said:
Sure. Everyone should enjoy free speech and do what you want...providing you want to live off somewhere in a cave and not be part of a society where the whole is considered important; people always seem to be happy to enjoy the perks of civilization until something is asked in return, like, a modicum of decency.
We don't WANT constituionall guarnteed rights to bear arms and walk around gun in pocket on the streets. I enjoy the fact I can walk down any dark alley at 2am and no I'll arrive home.
We don't WANT freedom of speech where every hate monger gets a platform.

We have freedom of expression - under that umbrella, thought, opnions, expression, belief. But people are still bound by the laws of the society they live in.
Protest? Have at 'er.
Illegally block roads, highways, trade routes impacting millions? Not so much
There's a reason people linternationally look at the 2 sides of the border in very distinct ways
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I fail to see how freedom of speech has a detrimental impact on society. Opinions are changed through discussions.

Not sure where you got platforms for hate from. I'm not saying freedom of speech means allowing insults. Big difference in my world.

What do you mean by looking at two sides of the border in distinct ways?

Also not sure what you're going on about with being allowed guns. Going way off-piste here again Dio :)

I'm simply stating that when a government uses Police to turn up at your door with information about what you're allowed to say on social media, you're turning into a dictatorship, fascist country, totalitarian state or whatever else you want to label it as. Talking solves problems, shutting people down encourages them.
 
You fail to see how freedom of speech has a detrimental impact on society?
Toss around the N word here on the forum, I give you a hot minute before your acct is red. Chuck it around on your FB and bethe acct goes bye bye. Employers hear you dropping slurs in the office, not a keen way to a promotion.
Freedom of speech has limits. As does here, freedom of expression.
If you're talking free exchange of opinions, we enjoy that. As stated, freedom of expression enveloped opinion, thought and belief. And even those, to a reasonable degree.
Freedom of speech or freedom of expression is not freedom of consequences.
We just apply different semantics is all.

Platforms for hate? I'm pretty sure it was pointed out to you regarding the organizers and agendas and that the vocal minority tends to swing in pretty..ugly...conservative ways.
It isnt too far back and currently, you can clearly see the divisive nature of other countries, because of platforms of vitriol
I'm all for peaceful protests.

to the guns, it was an anology - ie constitutional rights and amendants.

And granted, talking solves problems. Hate speech, bile, not so much.

@goatwack sure we do, we say, 'Excuse me, SIR' and put a sour look out when we emphasize 'sir' :P

Kidding aside, we aint perfect, we have bigots and racists and hate mongers. We're generally polite. But not a one-size fits all, just...fits, most
 
Currently, a bit less than half 'sympathize' with the convoy.
We're as tired as everyone else with restrictions and covid.
People can point out, but look, look, I SEE the comments. Well, sure, the minority is loud and vocal. The majority, unless those counter-protesting, arent up in arms and loud, because, well, we take our shots, pop on our masks and go about our day
 
The politics here, as in anywhere, are divisive, when it comes to covid. The gap just isnt as...broad, nor the response. The convoy, while, still, a minority, is loud and newsworthy. We arent on the brink of a civil war, call it...a kerfuffle.

Again, we are ALL tired, we all want back to normalcy.
 
dionysus said:
You fail to see how freedom of speech has a detrimental impact on society?
Toss around the N word here on the forum, I give you a hot minute before your acct is red. Chuck it around on your FB and bethe acct goes bye bye. Employers hear you dropping slurs in the office, not a keen way to a promotion.
Freedom of speech has limits. As does here, freedom of expression.
If you're talking free exchange of opinions, we enjoy that. As stated, freedom of expression enveloped opinion, thought and belief. And even those, to a reasonable degree.
Freedom of speech or freedom of expression is not freedom of consequences.
We just apply different semantics is all.

Platforms for hate? I'm pretty sure it was pointed out to you regarding the organizers and agendas and that the vocal minority tends to swing in pretty..ugly...conservative ways.
It isnt too far back and currently, you can clearly see the divisive nature of other countries, because of platforms of vitriol
I'm all for peaceful protests.

to the guns, it was an anology - ie constitutional rights and amendants.

And granted, talking solves problems. Hate speech, bile, not so much.

@goatwack sure we do, we say, 'Excuse me, SIR' and put a sour look out when we emphasize 'sir' :p

Kidding aside, we aint perfect, we have bigots and racists and hate mongers. We're generally polite. But not a one-size fits all, just...fits, most
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But Dio, I mentioned freedom of speech, it was you who said that freedom of speech should be allowed if you want to live in a cave, doesn't consider the whole of society, is indecent and creates platforms for hate. All very different to what I would call freedom of speech.

Now you're pretty much suggesting that I want the N-word to be allowed.

Another discussion between us I have zero interest in continuing, perhaps that's a win on your part....enjoy your day! :)
 

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