Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Kroffe]

Back in the 80's I would probably have had to have open heart surgery and it could have effected the rest of my life so I was pleased it was detected when I was much older.
Professional footballers have access to the best medics and they obviously communicate with each other. The question of sportsmen and women's health is one I stick in the box labeled "Wait and see"

Its sort of amazing what they can do today with 'keyhole surgery' or minimal invasive surgery i think is its proper name.
Thinking about it reminded me of this video. (dont think that is keyhole surgery tho)





And that was uploaded 11 years ago, i bet they have robots doing surgeries on raisins nowadays.
Maybe one day they can use this technology for human surgery aswell.

 

[mack341]

Have you looked at it from the other side?
Covid also causes vascular issues, so could an increase not just simply be from people that have had Covid?
Not done any reading regarding that myself, but maybe you have since you seem to have been reading about covid related heart failures.

If there has been an increase in young people dying on the fields, did it start with the pandemic or with the vaccines?
Not trying to defend msm or shoot down questions in any way, but there are alot of people seemingly fighting to make any connection they can between the vaccine and deaths, no matter how vague the link may be.

Same as you said that jabbed people may be scared to admit a connection between vaccine and death, i think anti-vaxers are scared to admit that the virus actually kills people aswell.
And i said 'aswell' because i know there have been deaths linked to the different vaccines, and a much higher % of deaths when compared with other vaccines.

The thing is the spike protein is part of the virus, and that's what the vaccines instruct your body to make, you see I would think a virus would use all it's parts to cause symptoms and disease (toxic) as it's more efficient, rather than the spike being inert. That's just my layperson's view.

I was reading something the other day that an old fashioned vax would remain in the area where it was injected, and go into the lymphs.

But these covid ones are going into other cells around the body to a degree, so when the body mounts the defence and attacks those cells, they could be ones near the heart for example, hence the inflammation.

I accept covid can kill, it seems to be either like a cold or a very severe flu and then you end up needing oxygen, I can definitely see why many people have opted for a vaccine, but also why others haven't [ like me, but everything is open to change depending on the information ]

 

[geordiecolin]

Its sort of amazing what they can do today with 'keyhole surgery' or minimal invasive surgery i think is its proper name.
Thinking about it reminded me of this video. (dont think that is keyhole surgery tho)





And that was uploaded 11 years ago, i bet they have robots doing surgeries on raisins nowadays.
Maybe one day they can use this technology for human surgery aswell.

They do oblations while your awake and it is a weird sensation. You feel the tubes traveling around your body and the welding,blocking is quite a sensation. The are also very precise with the aid of computers etc

 

[electronictonic]

They are really getting desperate now.

The government will send out a UK-wide mobile alert urging the public to get a Covid booster, a move mobile operators fear could spark a backlash from customers opposed to vaccinations.
The UK’s biggest mobile operators – EE, O2, Vodafone and Three UK – have been asked by the government to send a message on Boxing Day.

 

[justdoit]

?

 

[justdoit]

They are really getting desperate now.

The government will send out a UK-wide mobile alert urging the public to get a Covid booster, a move mobile operators fear could spark a backlash from customers opposed to vaccinations.
The UK’s biggest mobile operators – EE, O2, Vodafone and Three UK – have been asked by the government to send a message on Boxing Day.

ye they send so many sms is crazy

 

[Steviedoo]

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"To further understand the scale of the problem, a study, commissioned by FIFA and carried out by Saarland University, named the FIFA Sudden Death Report (FIFA-SDR) was published in 2020.[7] The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to Sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football between 2014 and 2018. There were 614 cases during the four-year period. In the majority of cases where an autopsy was carried out, the cause of death was Coronary Heart Disease."

Does seems slightly higher than the average when looking at the 'selected deaths' whatever that means, not by much tho.
And if its caused by the vaccines, you would think the difference would be bigger considering how many people have taken it, no?

17 in 2021 with most common cause being heart failure in some way.
In the years leading up to 2021 there are many with 10-15, also heart failure as the most common cause.

Is it something new, or are people trying to create links that are not there because they have other agendas?

also athletes…god knows what they put in their bodies to keep up. Steroids et al..

 

[goatwack]

What astounds me the most is the lengths people will go to defend their beloved jabs, or rather, validate their life choice as being the definitive one.

More often than not those claiming there to be no difference in sporting deaths or health problems have likely never watched sports in their lives.

I have no doubt there have been prior e.g footballer deaths, that many would never have even been aware of. Yet the scale of heart- related, on-field breakdowns we see on an almost daily basis, is simply unheard of, and certainly did not occur before.

Peak athletes like Eriksen, Aguero et al collapsing mid-game is not something you'd likely see in your lifetime, no, simply one out of the dozens of high-profile sports stars enduring such an event would make front page news and send shockwaves through the sporting world; yet now we're supposed to be told that this is a 'normal' occurrence...

So again, baffling, how some will say anything - anything - to distance these things from even the possibility that they could be the direct consequence of having taken any form of the vaccine ?

But hey-ho, this is the 2-tier, dog & cat infighting utopia we were forewarned of and promised would happen. God help anyone that doesn't sit on the right side of history, right?

 

[mack341]

The jabs are a bit unpredictable like covid, but whereas the msm would try to build whole narratives from say a fit and healthy individual confined to an icu or struggling with long covid, the vax side effect rate in comparison with other jabs hasn't been explored.

Watched a vid recently, the VAERs system was setup in 1990, from that time the death count for everything is 150 iirc, but for the covid vaxxes alone it's 10,000. The swine flu jab was pulled when 50 had died.

It sounds alarmist ^^^ but I sense a reappraisal will occur once better, safer vaxes come to market. How can 'everyone needs a booster' make sense when they've already had two, talk about short term expectations of protection, they knew this virus would mutate as well.

Better than nothing for the vulnerable, but the desperation to get children on this treadmill makes no sense.

 

[Steviedoo]

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Pre covid pre vaccine

 

[sufferinsilence]

What astounds me the most is the lengths people will go to defend their beloved jabs, or rather, validate their life choice as being the definitive one.

But hey-ho, this is the 2-tier, dog & cat infighting utopia we were forewarned of and promised would happen. God help anyone that doesn't sit on the right side of history, right?

Agree. Also: what astounds me is the lenghts some people will go to defend them not getting jabbed, or rather, validate their life choice as being the definitive one.

I'm jabbed, I haven't told a single soul to do so. Don't want to? Just don't get vaccinated, no reason to start shitposting about it like: "all the jabbed will die within 5 years, Bill Gates, nanobots!"

 

[goatwack]

Agree. Also: what astounds me is the lenghts some people will go to defend them not getting jabbed, or rather, validate their life choice as being the definitive one.

I'm jabbed, I haven't told a single soul to do so. Don't want to? Just don't get vaccinated, no reason to start shitposting about it like: "all the jabbed will die within 5 years, Bill Gates, nanobots!"

So what you're saying is they haven't put nanobots in our Rice Krispies?

 

[sufferinsilence]

So what you're saying is they haven't put nanobots in our Rice Krispies?

I want to go on record and officially declare they have not

 

[Kroffe]

What about Frosties?
Asking for a friend.

 

[sufferinsilence]

What about Frosties?
Asking for a friend.

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He looks iffy... Not sure about that Tony character.

 

[Kroffe]

He looks iffy... Not sure about that Tony character.

But you are telling me you trust Snap?
Just looking at the picture, Pop is obviously listening to the nanobots in the krispies.

 

[sufferinsilence]

But you are telling me you trust Snap?
Just looking at the picture, Pop is obviously listening to the nanobots in the krispies.

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Don't tell anyone but I don't trust anyone that eats products from Big Cereal.

 

[dionysus]

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[mack341]

Agree. Also: what astounds me is the lenghts some people will go to defend them not getting jabbed, or rather, validate their life choice as being the definitive one.

I'm jabbed, I haven't told a single soul to do so. Don't want to? Just don't get vaccinated, no reason to start shitposting about it like: "all the jabbed will die within 5 years, Bill Gates, nanobots!"

The context is different though, especially in austria, where the personal choice is going to be a criminal matter. Germany may follow. I don't agree with speculating cancer, aids and prion disease await the vaxxed, but almost daily the govts are linking the unvaxxed to death, either their own or granny's next door. The archbishop here, welby, recently labeled the choice not to get jabbed immoral. So the stakes are rising.

 

[goatwack]

Yes, the Archbishop should just pipe down and not presume to tell those estimated 23 Million unvaccinated folk what Jesus would have done.

Almost on par with some of the cringe- inducing programming coming out of Government via their last push to get this vaccination drive done and dusted, like Boris stating it's the right, 'Christian' thing to do, i.e to get vaxxed at this time of year!

I was half- expecting them to come out with something akin to "Make this the greatest gift you've ever given anyone this Christmas", but alas, I think they missed a trick with that one

Still, onwards and upwards. We have the soon-to-be-arriving-at-your-doorstep 'Covid SWAT teams', prepped and ready to go should you so wish to get the vaccine administered by specialists, as you stare mournfully at the garden gnome

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[mack341]

Time to acquire something like this, or nail to the door a few pairs of worn undies ? ...sorry that is grim imagery

 

[Kroffe]

A good way to turn people away from vaccinations is to link it to religion.
Who cares what a carpenter that lived a bazillion years ago would or would not have done.

Are there many religious people in the UK or mostly just older folks like it is over here?

 

[geordiecolin]

Jesus was anti establishment. Look what they did to him. Churches are all in bed with governments. Look at the house of lords in the UK

 

[sufferinsilence]

A good way to turn people away from vaccinations is to link it to religion.
Who cares what a carpenter that lived a bazillion years ago would or would not have done.

Are there many religious people in the UK or mostly just older folks like it is over here?

Funny enough some religions already get involved and tell their flock not to get vaccinated.

Religion and basically anything else shouldn't be mixed.

 

[mack341]

A good way to turn people away from vaccinations is to link it to religion.
Who cares what a carpenter that lived a bazillion years ago would or would not have done.

Are there many religious people in the UK or mostly just older folks like it is over here?

Difficult to say, but there are probably a lot influenceable by the position of the archbishop, who will just absorb the pronouncement indirectly, not for them to question. It could be either sinful to do so, or they agree and it's vindication/validation.

 

[sufferinsilence]

The context is different though, especially in austria, where the personal choice is going to be a criminal matter. Germany may follow. I don't agree with speculating cancer, aids and prion disease await the vaxxed, but almost daily the govts are linking the unvaxxed to death, either their own or granny's next door. The archbishop here, welby, recently labeled the choice not to get jabbed immoral. So the stakes are rising.

I thought Austria has been relaxing their stance lately, going from a full out lockdown to opening nearly everything up.

Anyway, there's no need to use fearporn. From either side.

 

[goatwack]

I'd think it's the older generation that are actively church-going and the likes in the ol' UK, though most will be 'Christian' when asked, and a lot of Christian values still prevail here. Like say, gladiatorial lion contests etc

 

[dionysus]

Are there many religious people in the UK or mostly just older folks like it is over here?

Someone other side of the pond asked me today - maybe yesterday - about stores open
sure, It's Christmas, but we aint all white or Christian
Even, a third of Canadians identify as non denominational - and that's not to say another 3rd are devout

 

[goatwack]

I thought Austria has been relaxing their stance lately, going from a full out lockdown to opening nearly everything up.

Anyway, there's no need to use fearporn. From either side.

Fearporn? Is agree that's pretty scary.

The amount of fear perpetuated when in the throes of ecstasy, volume up, tissues suspiciously near the laptop, and next thing you know you hear the faint scrambling key janglings of the front door, as the partner returns. That's FEAR ?

 

[dionysus]

Fearporn? Is agree that's pretty scary.

The amount of fear perpetuated when in the throes of ecstasy, volume up, tissues suspiciously near the laptop, and next thing you know you hear the faint scrambling key janglings of the front door, as the partner returns. That's FEAR ?

pfft, ya old
socks are re-usable and washable..and needs must, disposable


er....for tears, naturally

 

[Kroffe]

Like say, gladiatorial lion contests etc

Best part about Christianity.

So many just use religion to justify being shitty towards others.
99.99% of all religious people are just posers cherry picking random parts out of their holy texts and ignoring the parts they dont like.

 

[mack341]

I thought Austria has been relaxing their stance lately, going from a full out lockdown to opening nearly everything up.

Anyway, there's no need to use fearporn. From either side.

Well I think fines and jail time if you don't cough up -no pun- are coming for those that choose their own natural immunity/system rather than a vax. Choice is the bottom line issue. My fears should be my own, but we're in effect being asked to justify our personal health decision/judgement. They're coming round for that conversation soon.

 

[Kroffe]

pfft, ya old
socks are re-usable and washable..and needs must, disposable


er....for tears, naturally

Please tell me you are just joking.
I was sure the whole using socks instead of paper thing was just a meme made popular by American teen movies.

 

[dionysus]

Honestly, cant recall if I posted
Went to bar
Was tossed
Didnt have proof of vaccine (I am dble dosed)
Trekked home, went back, showed card....allowed to par-tay
(doses were summer, 4 months out)
But hey mask off, par-tay

(tho, get ya shots, kids)

 

[dionysus]

Please tell me you are just joking.
I was sure the whole using socks instead of paper thing was just a meme made popular by American teen movies.


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ya, story

 

[dionysus]

gods, I am kidding guys, dont get weirded out


I wipe it on the dog, eesh

 

[dionysus]

still talking about tears, right?

 

[dionysus]

Annnnnywho
Man, our cases here.......stratosphere
I'm not......overly fussed. More virulent, less severe.
I still wear my mask, keep my circle small. Take due precautions and cough in my shirt.

 

[Kroffe]

gods, I am kidding guys, dont get weirded out


I wipe it on the dog, eesh

I would also lie about being a dog-wiper if i was using socks.
Nice try, but the damage is already done.

Instead of Dio i will henceforth be referring to you as Mr Crunchy socks. (Crispy socks was taken)

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well I think fines and jail time if you don't cough up -no pun- are coming for those that choose their own natural immunity/system rather than a vax. Choice is the bottom line issue. My fears should be my own, but we're in effect being asked to justify our personal health decision/judgement. They're coming round for that conversation soon.

We have mandatory vaccination for polio over here, I think that's the only one.

Unless they have a vaccine that effectively stops transmission of covid I don't think governments should make them mandatory. If and when we have those and you only need 1 or 2 vaccinations, like other diseases, it could ultimately be implemented in the vaccine regimen you get when you're a baby/toddler. Question remains if it's still necessary once we're at that point.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well I think fines and jail time if you don't cough up -no pun- are coming for those that choose their own natural immunity/system rather than a vax. Choice is the bottom line issue. My fears should be my own, but we're in effect being asked to justify our personal health decision/judgement. They're coming round for that conversation soon.

It’s not a choice that solely affects you though, that’s the thing. It’s ok to say ‘I don’t want the vaccine, my immune system will do the work’ but when that’s multiplied by x amount of people you get a not insignificant amount of people ending up in hospital.

With a significant amount of people in hospital you then block a bed needed for someone who perhaps has had the jab and has been admitted for something non covid related.

Without the jabs we would face circa 5-10% of people needing some kind of medical intervention…the jabs have reduced that by circa 90% and have reduced deaths by a significant amount too.

Natural immunity does play a part too, but you want that natural immunity to be completed whilst being fully vaxxed. That way you minimise your chances of severe disease whilst simultaneously gathering perhaps the strongest combination of immunity you can get (vax+NI). Playing a game of Russian Roulette with a virus both respiratory and vascular in nature is both naive and foolhardy.

 

[mack341]

It’s not a choice that solely affects you though, that’s the thing. It’s ok to say ‘I don’t want the vaccine, my immune system will do the work’ but when that’s multiplied by x amount of people you get a not insignificant amount of people ending up in hospital.

With a significant amount of people in hospital you then block a bed needed for someone who perhaps has had the jab and has been admitted for something non covid related.

Without the jabs we would face circa 5-10% of people needing some kind of medical intervention…the jabs have reduced that by circa 90% and have reduced deaths by a significant amount too.

Natural immunity does play a part too, but you want that natural immunity to be completed whilst being fully vaxxed. That way you minimise your chances of severe disease whilst simultaneously gathering perhaps the strongest combination of immunity you can get (vax+NI). Playing a game of Russian Roulette with a virus both respiratory and vascular in nature is both naive and foolhardy.

A lot I'd like to reply to there but jaded is not the half of it, however one quick observation, 'fully vaxxed' is now time limited, at what point can you step off a jab treadmill, if personal choice is no longer a valid concept, when the govt says you can?

 

[syntynyt]

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Why would they hide all these adverse reaction$?

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Worth following this just for fun if not else.

 

[justdoit]

if you get covi19 and go to a hospital for it, you will ask to give you anything just to save your life, you don't care what Vaccine is made of, watching nursies walking like on Mars coz they are scared of your infection is crazy, can't see anyone, you don't know if you going to make it another day, ventilator machine pumping up to keep your life, fk it give me anything to get out of here..

 

[geordiecolin]

Maybe an unvaxed seagull shat on a passenger?

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[electronictonic]

Maybe an unvaxed seagull shat on a passenger?

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LOL probably soon as I seen the article I expected the MSM will blame unvaccinated fish, whales, sharks etc my money is on the unvaccinated dolphins.

 

[geordiecolin]

LOL probably soon as I seen the article I expected the MSM will blame unvaccinated fish, whales, sharks etc my money is on the unvaccinated dolphins.

I can see them using swordfish to administer jabs on "free" swim with the dolphin' vacations

 

[electronictonic]

I can see them using swordfish to administer jabs on "free" swim with the dolphin' vacations

Don't give them any ideas! will never watch Flipper in the same way anymore.

 

[geordiecolin]

Don't give them any ideas! will never watch Flipper in the same way anymore.

Downs syndrome, Autistics, and mentally impaired children!!!

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[geordiecolin]

Fauci would probably have been given a lordship by the queen by now