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Also interesting to hear two Oxford University statisticians refute the Government's official Covid- related death tolls, citing they've been somewhat inflated to cause a climate of fear.

So if by example someone HAD previously contracted Covid-19, but then succumbed to totally unrelated diseases, it'd be recorded as a Covid fatality!

Whoever knew such a thing was possible
I think it will be a few years before the full impact of Covid-19 is fully known , the data will be gone through with a fine tooth comb to make sure all cases and outcomes are attributed correctly , some countries will see the death tolls rise, some will fall.
And now that Trump is running all Covid data by the Whitehouse first before it’s released I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a sharp fall in both the number of cases and the number of deaths in the next few weeks.....
 
I posted a long time ago Dr. Birx is the only one I listen to. The reason is she would explain what needs to be done and why it could or could not be done such as which hospitals had what type of testing equipment, its capacity and limitations.

This article is from May.

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Future Lockdown measures to be implemented by regional tribal chiefs, as they're given more autonomy to enact them 'as and when'

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Great in theory, if I didn't fear local Councils to be even more incompetent. Our Council can't even remove bin bags on Wednesdays
 


Fitting comment.

"That reminds me of a childhood friend who would protest having to do his vacuum chore by pushing the vacuum along every part of the carpet without turning it on. The wheel marks made it look like he had vacuumed. He had to do the same amount of work but his effort was entirely wasted. The logic of a child."
 
Their petulance astounds. Then it becomes fair game as they compromise themselves and contract Covid
Yeah, protesting against wearing masks by wearing masks... That will show them!

Even kids understand why we should wear masks.

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So now there's 6 types of Covid everyone!

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Though moving away from the clickbaitey nature of the headline, it's simply early symptoms with more added if left untreated. But bless 'em for trying
 
So now there's 6 types of Covid everyone!

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Though moving away from the clickbaitey nature of the headline, it's simply early symptoms with more added if left untreated. But bless 'em for trying
Ah the Daily Mirror - fiction at it's best, although if you are after more adult reading than their offerings, you could try "See Spot Run" or "Spot's big red ball"
 
Ah the Daily Mirror - fiction at it's best, although if you are after more adult reading than their offerings, you could try "See Spot Run" or "Spot's big red ball"
im not even a brit and I know to take the mirror with a silo of salt :P
 
im not even a brit and I know to take the mirror with a silo of salt :p
Thats alot of salt!
Nearly as much as you should use when cooking pasta.
People always underestimate the importance of salt when boiling pasta.


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Thats alot of salt!
Nearly as much as you should use when cooking pasta.
People always underestimate the importance of salt when boiling pasta.


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just a pinch, bear, a half spoon at best
it isnt honey seasoning after all :D
 
just a pinch, bear, a half spoon at best
it isnt honey seasoning after all :D
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I always suspected you were an under-salter.
I bet you overcook it aswell.
Eeew.

"10-100-1000," said Felicetti. That's the ratio of salt to pasta to water. So 10 grams of salt is the right amount to cook 100 grams of pasta in 1000 milliliters of water (1000 ml = 1 liter)

So 10 grams for every liter of water.
 
Hokey-dokey!

No increase in cases since Lockdown eased! except Leicester

Regional Councils given power to enforce local lockdowns, which the Government can override on a whim

Populace told to wear masks......despite supposed evidence above (or they could be fined! :eek: )

Projected return to normality of sorts by November, despite forewarnings of a Second Wave (to get people spending and boost the Christmas quarter)

Confused? Don't be!

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I don't even bother reading their bullshit any more. I go for my runs, do my workouts, work from home and put a mask on if I go into a shop. We have gone from infection by coughing and spitting, to infection from people running past you, and finally the virus floating invisibly in the air for hours after someone has breathed it out.

That's me done - I am now officially bored with statistics, conflicting advice and media scare stories. Someone put up a link when we get the latest update of when a vaccine will be available. I think we have had 736 different dates so far.
 
Hokey-dokey!

No increase in cases since Lockdown eased! except Leicester

Regional Councils given power to enforce local lockdowns, which the Government can override on a whim

Populace told to wear masks......despite supposed evidence above (or they could be fined! :eek: )

Projected return to normality of sorts by November, despite forewarnings of a Second Wave (to get people spending and boost the Christmas quarter)

Confused? Don't be!

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We have an increase in cases, even warnings that we're at the eve of the 2nd wave but can still turn the tide.

Leicester might have to impose a travel ban on Belgium.

Strange times indeed.
 
I don't even bother reading their bullshit any more. I go for my runs, do my workouts, work from home and put a mask on if I go into a shop. We have gone from infection by coughing and spitting, to infection from people running past you, and finally the virus floating invisibly in the air for hours after someone has breathed it out.

That's me done - I am now officially bored with statistics, conflicting advice and media scare stories. Someone put up a link when we get the latest update of when a vaccine will be available. I think we have had 736 different dates so far.
We try not to talk about vaccines, Trump, or 5G in here. It generally gets a bad reception (not the 5G, that's ace)
 
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From the report " I can tell you that we now know the Oxford vaccine covers both bases – it produces both a T cell"

Hmm, I've seen Resident Evil, I'm off to get my Zombie Protection Kit and a large baseball bat

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Tried to reason with the missus that face-coverings and the likes would likely cease once/ if infection rates have dwindled, and/or the numbers have been somewhat minimized.

Seems not though! The Era of the Mask is here to stay! Until a vaccine is found

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Normalcy my ass

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We're almost there people! This could be the one!

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Strange name for a vaccine. Haven't had a Chad injected since that regretful 1996 Sacramento nightclub incident
 
Which is precisely what these people are objecting to. There was an almost uncontrollable mob of 100 people there

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Will you protest the Flu World Order?.....
 
They're responsible for running the country and yet won't even mask up for their cabinet meeting, talk about hypocrisy.

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I think we really have a bunch of duplicitous, puppet morons in control. It's just a game to them, they're happy that's the impression I'm getting, it doesn't seem to be weighing on their minds one bit the amount of collateral damage that is happening/will happen when the financial realities bite.

And to my view our govts over the years have never cared that much about people dying needlessly, look at the liverpool care pathway for example or the stafford hospital scandal, patients died due to being deprived of essential basics like water and food. [and yes I do consider the NHS as run by the govt despite all this local trust bs]

'never let a crisis go to waste' is what is happening here, long term changes to society being brought in on the back of a virus with similar death rates to influenza.

Protect the elderly - yes, some reasonable social distancing and free ppe for the vulnerable and especially care home staff and visitors. [It wouldn't surprise me that the ***ts still haven't mandated that as legally required.]
 
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I think you're starting to blur the threads guy. The Corona thread is that way >><<

I forgot my question from the post (re: liberties in general):

"is it true to say that the liberty from obligation, just like the liberty from physical constraints, consists of the absence of external impediments of motion?"
 
I forgot my question from the post (re: liberties in general):

"is it true to say that the liberty from obligation, just like the liberty from physical constraints, consists of the absence of external impediments of motion?"

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Our British friends should know that one.

I firmly believe it's something they are taught in elementary school.
Are you saying we're not free? Free as a bird? Cheep cheep? Is it? Is it sir?

 
They're responsible for running the country and yet won't even mask up for their cabinet meeting, talk about hypocrisy.

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I think we really have a bunch of duplicitous, puppet morons in control. It's just a game to them, they're happy that's the impression I'm getting, it doesn't seem to be weighing on their minds one bit the amount of collateral damage that is happening/will happen when the financial realities bite.

And to my view our govts over the years have never cared that much about people dying needlessly, look at the liverpool care pathway for example or the stafford hospital scandal, patients died due to being deprived of essential basics like water and food. [and yes I do consider the NHS as run by the govt despite all this local trust bs]

'never let a crisis go to waste' is what is happening here, long term changes to society being brought in on the back of a virus with similar death rates to influenza.

Protect the elderly - yes, some reasonable social distancing and free ppe for the vulnerable and especially care home staff and visitors. [It wouldn't surprise me that the ***ts still haven't mandated that as legally required.]

At one point we'd 13 or so NHS Trusts in Northern Ireland (pop 1.5 or so million, in addition to Christ knows how many Quango's and then 5 Health Boards on top of that - tis was a bureaucrats dream): 13 Trusts and 5 Health Boards, all with their own management: it really was a surprise to know how decisions were actually made.

The government hand down National Strategies, issue various circular's and directions so...yeah, it's a bit of an illusion of autonomy. Was NHS England not set up with one of objectives of trying to take the politics out of local decision making? - worked a treat. Though i do remember years ago a few arrogant NHS CEO's refused to hand over data to the government when they were queries on their 25% of staff costs being 'consultants' - 25%.....Lord Almighty.

Over the years they've tried to reform, but not reform - be it in the creation of things like CHP's and then, now, Integration Bodies (more red tape here in Scotland, more uncertainty regarding governance/controls and up here in Scotland nearly all of them are in the Red), so again, another failed attempt IMO.

That's even before we get to some of the regulators who only ride in to bayonet the wounded.

Been hearing for years for how the NHS/Social Care is on it's last legs - seems to avoid having that full root and branch review that it needs, instead gaps are plugged/patches put over wounds and key questions not being addressed, instead.
 
At one point we'd 13 or so NHS Trusts in Northern Ireland (pop 1.5 or so million, in addition to Christ knows how many Quango's and then 5 Health Boards on top of that - tis was a bureaucrats dream): 13 Trusts and 5 Health Boards, all with their own management: it really was a surprise to know how decisions were actually made.

The government hand down National Strategies, issue various circular's and directions so...yeah, it's a bit of an illusion of autonomy. Was NHS England not set up with one of objectives of trying to take the politics out of local decision making? - worked a treat. Though i do remember years ago a few arrogant NHS CEO's refused to hand over data to the government when they were queries on their 25% of staff costs being 'consultants' - 25%.....Lord Almighty.

Over the years they've tried to reform, but not reform - be it in the creation of things like CHP's and then, now, Integration Bodies (more red tape here in Scotland, more uncertainty regarding governance/controls and up here in Scotland nearly all of them are in the Red), so again, another failed attempt IMO.

That's even before we get to some of the regulators who only ride in to bayonet the wounded.

Been hearing for years for how the NHS/Social Care is on it's last legs - seems to avoid having that full root and branch review that it needs, instead gaps are plugged/patches put over wounds and key questions not being addressed, instead.

I think in the liverpool care pathways scandal hospitals were financially incentivised to use it; I would prefer it if top doctors were in charge of the hospitals, making the key decisions on how the budget is spent, ditch the boards and cut the management by about 50% and reinvest that money where most needed.

I think they recently said the NHS would have to remove free staff car parking as it was only going to be a temporary measure during this virus, it's madness for average paid staff to be charged for parking. I don't know what they pay but if it's anywhere near what the patients are charged heaven help them, [ also it probably affects staff morale if a large chunk of their wage packet is going to NCP; a guardian article puts it at approx £2,000 a year for a nurse, I bet BUPA don't charge their staff :cool: ]

When you look at the overall money spent and the amount of people treated through the whole NHS it isn't too bad, a private US style system would be enormously more expensive for everyone.

The last few times I had to use outpatients, the staff have a look of panic and alarm when you ask them a question, [as if the system is simply too complex ] then normally spend 5 mins looking blankly at a screen and getting frustrated pressing keys.

The situation when there is a 12 week delay to see a consultant, however if you are willing and able to pay, can see the exact same doctor next week at the local BUPA hospital seems wrong to me.
 
I think in the liverpool care pathways scandal hospitals were financially incentivised to use it; I would prefer it if top doctors were in charge of the hospitals, making the key decisions on how the budget is spent, ditch the boards and cut the management by about 50% and reinvest that money where most needed.

I think they recently said the NHS would have to remove free staff car parking as it was only going to be a temporary measure during this virus, it's madness for average paid staff to be charged for parking. I don't know what they pay but if it's anywhere near what the patients are charged heaven help them, [ also it probably affects staff morale if a large chunk of their wage packet is going to NCP; a guardian article puts it at approx £2,000 a year for a nurse, I bet BUPA don't charge their staff :cool: ]

When you look at the overall money spent and the amount of people treated through the whole NHS it isn't too bad, a private US style system would be enormously more expensive for everyone.

The last few times I had to use outpatients, the staff have a look of panic and alarm when you ask them a question, [as if the system is simply too complex ] then normally spend 5 mins looking blankly at a screen and getting frustrated pressing keys.

The situation when there is a 12 week delay to see a consultant, however if you are willing and able to pay, can see the exact same doctor next week at the local BUPA hospital seems wrong to me.

Some of the doctors will also see the private patients in the same hospital, in their same consultancy room as well; not sure if it’s changed but the Trust would rely on them telling them what was used, for how long etc so a charge could be raised; needless to say there were a lot of undeclared/understated :-p

My lasting memory of my stint there was the commissioning of goods; you’d have two trusts, 15 miles apart, paying completely different prices for the same product; absolutely mental.
 

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