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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

So, the fated wearing of ineffective face-rags to be mandated from the 24th, with police - not shopkeepers- enforcing it! Wooh!

Potential fines in the offing too.......though it's difficult to envisage the fuzz having the sheer weight of numbers to oversee this to be fair

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Further proof if needed that the Government are making this up as they go along with no clear plan of action. Also lends further credence to conspiracy theorists that this is just the first in a long line of upcoming 'mandatory' deeds that will lead to mass-vaccinations and the like! Here's hoping it's a load of taradiddle

Oh, and worth mentioning that this is a great solution by the Government. Even if four months too late
 
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Authorities in Kazakhstan have denied a report published by Chinese officials that the country is experiencing an outbreak of "unknown pneumonia" potentially deadlier than the novel coronavirus.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Not important like but how is Covid ‘novel’ if it comes from a family of previous?

Must be late:p
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maybe it's novel as in a 'book length narrative' having annticipated the 328 pages here :P
 
goatwack said:
So, the fated wearing of ineffective face-rags to be mandated from the 24th, with police - not shopkeepers- enforcing it! Wooh!

Oh, and worth mentioning that this is a great solution by the Government. Even if four months too late
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Yep but as ever people in the UK are going way over the top of it - "where am I supposed to get something to cover my face mask with only 10 days notice" - they cry as they spend 8 hours a day surfing Facebook, Pornhub and Instagram (personally I never use Facebook or Instagram :))

Apparently there are 3 different types of face masks ranging from FPP1 to FPP3, - " A well-fitting FFP3 mask can protect users against fine toxic particulates including asbestos, bacteria, viruses and radioactive particles. Note the phrase "well fitting" and that FPP3 masks are significantly more expensive than the others and could cost half of what the government believe a grown adult needs to survive on. I can see an 18 year old lad spending £30 of his £58 JSA on a face mask!!

Generally the masks you can buy in the shops will protect you to a certain level, but no one should believe that they make them superhuman - your eyes are still exposed. I guess however any degree of protection is worthwhile and it might focus the mind a bit more. As I have said before, I have been wearing one since day one in shops anyway.
 
Robert Rabbit said:
Yep but as ever people in the UK are going way over the top of it - "where am I supposed to get something to cover my face mask with only 10 days notice" - they cry as they spend 8 hours a day surfing Facebook, Pornhub and Instagram (personally I never use Facebook or Instagram :))

Apparently there are 3 different types of face masks ranging from FPP1 to FPP3, - " A well-fitting FFP3 mask can protect users against fine toxic particulates including asbestos, bacteria, viruses and radioactive particles. Note the phrase "well fitting" and that FPP3 masks are significantly more expensive than the others and could cost half of what the government believe a grown adult needs to survive on. I can see an 18 year old lad spending £30 of his £58 JSA on a face mask!!

Generally the masks you can buy in the shops will protect you to a certain level, but no one should believe that they make them superhuman - your eyes are still exposed. I guess however any degree of protection is worthwhile and it might focus the mind a bit more. As I have said before, I have been wearing one since day one in shops anyway.
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The masks were always more for protecting others from you tho, right?

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goatwack said:
So, the fated wearing of ineffective face-rags to be mandated from the 24th, with police - not shopkeepers- enforcing it! Wooh!

Potential fines in the offing too.......though it's difficult to envisage the fuzz having the sheer weight of numbers to oversee this to be fair

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Further proof if needed that the Government are making this up as they go along with no clear plan of action. Also lends further credence to conspiracy theorists that this is just the first in a long line of upcoming 'mandatory' deeds that will lead to mass-vaccinations and the like! Here's hoping it's a load of taradiddle

Oh, and worth mentioning that this is a great solution by the Government. Even if four months too late
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Bloody Hancock should take the blame for that one saying they didnt do any good way back in March,
with all the expert advice available to the government, he knew better, twat
Got to see the police trying to enforce it, they never managed to enforce the lockdown,going to be
interesting finding out which sections of the public are fined and which they turn a blind eye to.

When all this is over there is going to be an awful lot of questions to answer, I realise that no goverment
has had deal with a pandemic like this for generations but the list of cock ups is massive
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The more I hear about Finns and their interactions the more I'm starting to think they really are Social Distance Champions by default!

Which is strange, only Finn I ever knew was pretty lively and friendly and n.........

wait a minute

now that I think about it, he was stood at the end of the room with his back turned! F***ing Finns! :mad:
 
Experts are predicting that the UK could have a further 120,000 deaths in a second wave, dont understand why they are relaxing restrictions so fast without seeing what effect its having, everyone wants the get the country
working again but there is a fair chance we could end up with much harder lockdown.They say the R number
could reach 1.7 and lockdowns could be considered if it reaches 1 from the current .7 to .9 level.
If we get a bad flu season in the winter coinciding with a second wave of covid the hospitals will really struggle.
Quite possible the experts are wrong, a lot of it is guesswork but they has been pretty close with the death figures so far.
 
shadow123 said:
Experts are predicting that the UK could have a further 120,000 deaths in a second wave, dont understand why they are relaxing restrictions so fast without seeing what effect its having, everyone wants the get the country
working again but there is a fair chance we could end up with much harder lockdown.They say the R number
could reach 1.7 and lockdowns could be considered if it reaches 1 from the current .7 to .9 level.
If we get a bad flu season in the winter coinciding with a second wave of covid the hospitals will really struggle.
Quite possible the experts are wrong, a lot of it is guesswork but they has been pretty close with the death figures so far.
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They are probably relaxing restrictions as country can not stay locked down for ever.

2nd wave on winter may or may not happen but if it does then it would probably happen whether we were locked down or not just now.

But what are they meant to do. Guess that we may get a 2nd wave in winter so keep the country locked down till next spring at least. Or try and get country back to normality and people working again while we still have jobs and worry about what to if the 2nd wave comes when it happens.
 
The Media's in full swing and most definitely revelling in the new wave of uncertainty and fear they help create

Just when things were actually 'looking up' somewhat, now it's Doomsday pt.II......but we can't stay in Lockdown forever can we

Fact is how many of the 'new' deaths will actually be attributed to Covid, or will the figures be skewed again as in the first wave. Because if so the Media sector will be happy as pigs in sh....mud

And yes hindsight is a wonderful thing is it not. Most countries have bungled this in inventive ways but those that came through relatively unscathed got their testing priorities right

But it's ok, our Government's rolling out the 'world-class' Track & Trace app this June I hear
 
shadow123 said:
Experts are predicting that the UK could have a further 120,000 deaths in a second wave, dont understand why they are relaxing restrictions so fast without seeing what effect its having, everyone wants the get the country
working again but there is a fair chance we could end up with much harder lockdown.They say the R number
could reach 1.7 and lockdowns could be considered if it reaches 1 from the current .7 to .9 level.
If we get a bad flu season in the winter coinciding with a second wave of covid the hospitals will really struggle.
Quite possible the experts are wrong, a lot of it is guesswork but they has been pretty close with the death figures so far.
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Let's be honest, firstly to date these experts have proven themselves to be anything but experts. Secondly this will be a media story, and the media love dramatising things, 12,000 deaths would sound boring, lets find an "expert" who will say 120,000 thousand deaths and quote that.

To put this into perspective, before we knew this existed and before any protections or restriction were put in place, without testing, localised lockdown and masks there were a total of 44,000 deaths.

Now with all these restrictions in placel, mandatory masks, restricted access to shops and people being more aware and careful, these "experts" and the gutter press are quoting 3 times that.

I would also comment that the "experts" are in secure jobs, don't have any worries about employment, so when they say "we don't understand why restrictions are being relaxed so fast" perhaps they should spend 6 months unemployed, with no income and just Job Seekers allowance to live on, they might have a different view at that point as they struggled to pay their bills and put food on the table

It would be funny if the impact of their scaremongering wasn't so substantial
 
I know we have to get this shit out the way as soon as possible but a lot of the relaxing has nothing to do
do with getting the economy moving,and whatever we really do should be monitored before moving on to the next stage.I am sick as everyone else with this crap but we have to some planning to end it, everything seems
off the cuff and it could be our undoing,if we get another year like this we will be totally fucked.

Looking on the bright side , just had an Iceland and Tesco delivery with nothing missing :)
 
shadow123 said:
I know we have to get this shit out the way as soon as possible but a lot of the relaxing has nothing to do
do with getting the economy moving,and whatever we really do should be monitored before moving on to the next stage.I am sick as everyone else with this crap but we have to some planning to end it, everything seems
off the cuff and it could be our undoing,if we get another year like this we will be totally fucked.

Looking on the bright side , just had an Iceland and Tesco delivery with nothing missing.
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So you are the one who can actually get a delivery slot :) . All this shit worries me, but we have to move on, not for the sake of the older people, but the young ones who are seeing their future disappear. I am less concerned about the 86 year old granny who might catch COVID than I am about they young 18 year old teenager who sees her hopes and dreams vanish in front of her.
 
The world is still fully intent on going back to the financial dark ages over a virus that has less chance of killing a healthy person under 60 than that person travelling 200 miles in a car.

Well when the NHS, Police etc gets "defunded" because we've gone bust, cant say we dont deserve it.
 
Robert Rabbit said:
So you are the one who can actually get a delivery slot :) . All this shit worries me, but we have to move on, not for the sake of the older people, but the young ones who are seeing their future disappear. I am less concerned about the 86 year old granny who might catch COVID than I am about they young 18 year old teenager who sees her hopes and dreams vanish in front of her.
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Have you seen the growing body of evidence that somewhere between 5-10% of people who've had Covid are suffering from ongoing and often debilitating illnesses?

This is across all age ranges, not just old people.

Covid-19 remains, in many ways, an unknown disease, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that even those who appear to have a mild case and recover, in many cases face a very uncertain future in terms of their health.
 
Yep - I love that, if Boris stated that no one is permitted to wear masks, the supermarkets would be full of people wearing masks. As soon as you say they must wear masks everyone is up in arms.

Some people just demand the right to be assholes and scream about their rights, without considering the rights of others.

I demand the right to pee into the wind - and sod the rights of people standing either side of me not to be soaked in my urine :)
 
shadow123 said:
Experts are predicting that the UK could have a further 120,000 deaths in a second wave, dont understand why they are relaxing restrictions so fast without seeing what effect its having, everyone wants the get the country
working again but there is a fair chance we could end up with much harder lockdown.They say the R number
could reach 1.7 and lockdowns could be considered if it reaches 1 from the current .7 to .9 level.
If we get a bad flu season in the winter coinciding with a second wave of covid the hospitals will really struggle.
Quite possible the experts are wrong, a lot of it is guesswork but they has been pretty close with the death figures so far.
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With all due respect mate utter bollocks they predicted 15.000 deaths in Northern Ireland and how many did we get 567, there seems to be a lot of experts who really know very little and yet the media keep spinning their tripe.
 
Yep i know 90% of what they feed us is bullshit, no one really knows how its going to pan out but
you cant escape the fact that 50000 or more have died from the virus in the UK, far more than the initial
estimates of expected deaths,it is dangerous and has to be treated seriously.The government response
and planning has not been good so far resulting us being near the top of death list,so I think its quite reasonable to question how they are handling the relaxation.
The big danger is a second wave as we go into next winter and overwhelming the NHS if there are a lot of
flu cases at the same time,this year we escaped that by a couple of months.
Dont hear much about a vaccine in the news lately which is rather worrying, they sounded optomistic
a couple of months ago.
 
irish-ranger said:
With all due respect mate utter bollocks they predicted 15.000 deaths in Northern Ireland and how many did we get 567, there seems to be a lot of experts who really know very little and yet the media keep spinning their tripe.
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The problem experts run into is that they are also just discovering what's going on whilst it's happening. They didn't have any more knowledge upfront and get new insights almost daily.

I do agree however there's just way too many "experts" on TV every single day. It would probably be better for people's mental health if there wasn't so much scaremongering going on. I have watched the news maybe twice in the past 3-4 months, didn't watch any of the talkshows and my intake of corona news is the time I spend reading about it on the web which has been about 10 minutes a day max. I'll occassionally read some of the research papers or watch some more neutral and critical interviews on YT tho.
 
So now we know what those busy little bees have been planning. Bloody Soros, Gates & Jedward want to make us all wear masks until a 'vaccine' is found :eek:

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goatwack said:
So now we know what those busy little bees have been planning. Bloody Soros, Gates & Jedward want to make us all wear masks until a 'vaccine' is found :eek:

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Thats it, im not listening to Jedward anymore!
 
Kroffe said:
Pretty clever.
Are there other loopholes for people wanting to spread the virus?
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sadly, they arent enforcing any measures here; you merely have to say youre exempt but dont have to explain or prove it, not to say, that wont change down the road but theyre doing the 'honour' system now
 
dionysus said:
sadly, they arent enforcing any measures here; you merely have to say youre exempt but dont have to explain or prove it, not to say, that wont change down the road but theyre doing the 'honour' system now
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Probably works alright.
Guessing stores dont have to let people in if they dont want aswell, so even if government or police are not enforcing the stores can choose what customers they want in their stores.
 
Kroffe said:
Probably works alright.
Guessing stores dont have to let people in if they dont want aswell, so even if government or police are not enforcing the stores can choose what customers they want in their stores.
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yeah, stores are encouraged to enforce mask measures and can be fined for not following social distancing protocols; i suspect most will simply not let people in that arent wearing masks, as is their prerogative, as you say
 
dealer wins said:
Was it bollocks over run. At best it was at normal capacity, and from April they've been dancing and singing and having the quietest time of their careers. And thats a fact!!!

The whole things a joke, I would be the 1st to advocate a lockdown if this virus had even a 3-5% mortality rate, but seeing it kills under 2 people in a million, its all a colossal overreaction and a devastating one for 1000s and 1000s of peoples livelihoods. Lockdown will be judged harshly and will be responsible for 10x the deaths of Wu Flu in the long run, and financial misery for millions more.
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It's not solely about the death rate though (which is tragic as it is), it's about the rate of hospitalisation too. Sits somewhere around the 10% mark I believe with the rate of ICU admission obviously a fraction of this. I don't think many people would fancy spending 5 days in a hospital bed...they're moaning at wearing a mask FFS.

1 million simultaneous cases would see 100k needing some form of treatment. This would mean that people would die from other causes as they could not be seen. You only have to look at places like Bergamo to see what happens when your healthcare system becomes overrun. That's why lockdown was needed.
 
I was in the pizza shop today and woman and her child came in without a mask, the cashier told her she needs to wear a mask. She apologized and went back to her car and got it.
 
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There was another story earlier, a mall cop shot dead someone after an altercation regarding a mask. So people are not prepared to wear a mask for 10 minutes because it "affects their breathing" (buy the right sort of mask dickheads :) ), but are prepared to get into altercations with people carrying guns - which I am assuming in America is a pretty unwise move.

Insanity reigns supreme - With all due respect to our American colleagues "We believe it's dangerous to wear masks, but we reserve our right to allow anyone to own a loaded weapon."
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
It's not solely about the death rate though (which is tragic as it is), it's about the rate of hospitalisation too. Sits somewhere around the 10% mark I believe with the rate of ICU admission obviously a fraction of this. I don't think many people would fancy spending 5 days in a hospital bed...they're moaning at wearing a mask FFS.

1 million simultaneous cases would see 100k needing some form of treatment. This would mean that people would die from other causes as they could not be seen. You only have to look at places like Bergamo to see what happens when your healthcare system becomes overrun. That's why lockdown was needed.
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This article is from may, and so the figures may have changed.

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Cancer deaths, A&E and the lockdown effect

by Fraser Nelson

When lockdown was ordered, no serious modelling had been done about the knock-on effect on healthcare. The only calculations were Covid-19 mortality, but the other sums are now starting to be carried out. The Institute of Cancer Research
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that a delay of three months across all 94,912 patients who would have undergone surgery to remove their cancer over the course of a year would lead to an additional 4,755 deaths

Similar studies have yet to be done for heart complaints, strokes and so on. It could take months, or years, for the full picture to be assembled. Of the 100,000 NHS acute beds, about 40,000 are lying empty – around three times as many as is usual for this time of year. This figure is not made public by the NHS, which is a shame, as it could prompt a debate about what is happening to the patients who would normally be in these beds. Last month, the number of people using A&E was 57 per cent lower than the same month in 2019. What happened to people who would normally have been given emergency care? Where are the studies into this?

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I can't think of many things worse than suspecting you may have cancer or another serious illness and having to wait months for a test/diasgnosis, knowing that the time lost could be critical for a successful treatment outcome. [ Or having your operation delayed.] So although we may have prevented the NHS being overrun, it's also been at the cost of non-covid patients, as the lockdown extended into the NHS itself, so self-defeating in terms of providing broad health care.
 
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Well if there is a second wave New Years Eve will be interesting. All the total knobheads who decide that A&E is a good place to spend the night because they have over indulged in alcohol and either need stitches or a stomach pump will either have to pop to the 24/7 shop for a needle and thread for the former, and for the latter just lay there feeling sorry for themselves and clean up their own vomit :)
 
mack341 said:
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Cancer deaths, A&E and the lockdown effect

by Fraser Nelson

When lockdown was ordered, no serious modelling had been done about the knock-on effect on healthcare. The only calculations were Covid-19 mortality, but the other sums are now starting to be carried out. The Institute of Cancer Research
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that a delay of three months across all 94,912 patients who would have undergone surgery to remove their cancer over the course of a year would lead to an additional 4,755 deaths

Similar studies have yet to be done for heart complaints, strokes and so on. It could take months, or years, for the full picture to be assembled. Of the 100,000 NHS acute beds, about 40,000 are lying empty – around three times as many as is usual for this time of year. This figure is not made public by the NHS, which is a shame, as it could prompt a debate about what is happening to the patients who would normally be in these beds. Last month, the number of people using A&E was 57 per cent lower than the same month in 2019. What happened to people who would normally have been given emergency care? Where are the studies into this?

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I can't think of many things worse than suspecting you may have cancer or another serious illness and having to wait months for a test/diasgnosis, knowing that the time lost could be critical for a successful treatment outcome. [ Or having your operation delayed.] So although we may have prevented the NHS being overrun, it's also been at the cost of non-covid patients, as the lockdown extended into the NHS itself, so self-defeating in terms of providing broad health care.
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Very valid questions that are, maybe not being side brushed, but certainly not being gone into with enough scrutiny. Before all this the delays were bad enough when my Dad last year was diagnosed with Lung C - No offence to the fine folks of NHS Northern Ireland but if his case was anything to go by there wasn't some arsing and farting about - not 1, not 2 but 3 plus 'management case review meetings' until he finally got diagnosed and referred on ( won't even go into the fact he turned up for Chemo after a long wait only to have it delayed again as they 'forgot' to give him the steroid treatment that you get just before you start it (complaint into all is still pending).

Yes, the whole thing is 'unprecedented' (up to extent, NHS bodies etc should all be primed - and have planned for, Pandemics as part of their emergency planning protocols - albeit they're normally bureaucratic table top/document exercises) but I can see why folk, especially families, have felt as if they've been let down because all of this.
 

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