Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[cncas2123]

Some of the doctors will also see the private patients in the same hospital, in their same consultancy room as well; not sure if it’s changed but the Trust would rely on them telling them what was used, for how long etc so a charge could be raised; needless to say there were a lot of undeclared/understated

My lasting memory of my stint there was the commissioning of goods; you’d have two trusts, 15 miles apart, paying completely different prices for the same product; absolutely mental.

Its changed a bit now, any contracts in place are generally in place throughout NI so they all pay the same for POM/Appliances etc. There are now 6 trusts ( 5 hospital and a 6th which covers the Ambulance Service), but still too many hospitals, I think its 17 at the moment which is probably at least 8 too many.
The problem we have is nobody has the appetite politically to close down the hospitals that need closed, they see it as a vote loser and thats the last thing that they want. There have been a few independent reports over the years with recommendations on the NHS in NI, I think the last one was 3 years ago, but they are never acted upon.
Its frustrating when you see the wastage in the NHS here knowing that the powers that be are reluctant to do anything about it.

 

[Kroffe]

cor dolphs let himself go a bit in this pic, this is what happens if you suddenly stop pumping iron!

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Aww man..What happens if you start out like this?

 

[goatwack]

The NHS was on the 'brink of collapse' 30 years ago and is still on the 'brink of collapse' all these years later.

Its main purpose being that of a political bargaining chip, without anyone ever addressing its glaring deficiencies from top to bottom. And so far easier for parties to say "We'll add 2000 nurses in the next four years!" than to weed out the stinking bureaucracy at its centre. Could start by attempting to attract some more GPs, as average waiting times are now absurd

Fact is it may not even be salvageable, so no budding politician would be brave enough to promise an overhaul, let alone deliver on it. So it becomes pouring money on top of the problem, with most of it going to waste

I remember Sky covering the NHS' woes a while back with an 'in-play' live bean counter displaying running costs. I thought the numbers portrayed were a bit dubious, seems they're even more wild on this site

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[pinnit2014]

Its changed a bit now, any contracts in place are generally in place throughout NI so they all pay the same for POM/Appliances etc. There are now 6 trusts ( 5 hospital and a 6th which covers the Ambulance Service), but still too many hospitals, I think its 17 at the moment which is probably at least 8 too many.
The problem we have is nobody has the appetite politically to close down the hospitals that need closed, they see it as a vote loser and thats the last thing that they want. There have been a few independent over the years with recommendations of the NHS in NI, I think the last one was 3 years ago, but they are never acted upon.
Its frustrating when you see the wastage in the NHS here knowing that the powers that be are reluctant to do anything about it.

Is the Mater still going in Belfast? Last time I was there it was quite run down but those who went to it spoke quite highly over it.

Causeway Hospital was a good example over how not to do a hospital; lovely new grounds, wide corridors but forgot to staff it; remember taking my Nephew there after he hurt himself at football and they sent us to Derry as ‘we don’t set’; er, thanks.

Magherafelt was another one that was arguably past its sell by date but probably maintained for community reasons.

 

[Robert Rabbit]

Well now I really don't understand high finances, following the quote from Andrew Lloyd Webber - net worth $1.2bn (£948m)

"Lord Lloyd-Webber said the seven West End theatres he owns were currently costing him more than £1 million a month to run.

"It's a lot of money and we can't do it indefinitely," he said. "We've reached our borrowing limits."

I'm struggling to understand how someone worth $1.2bn has reached his borrowing limit. Also it would cost him £84m to leave them shut for a year which would leave him with a mere £850m to get him through the rest of his life, and at the age of 72 he always has his old age pension to fall back on.

 

[Slottery]

One reason rich people are rich is that they don't usually do such things that cost them money (except pure hobbies) instead of bringing it. There's often certain limit you are ready to put your money in something, maybe for him it's here. You might start to count that it's not worth as you not gonna good enough ROI to invest anything there anymore and you could just get rid of it when reaching your limit. Probably would like to get some COVID compensation from the government for his lost earnings

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well now I really don't understand high finances, following the quote from Andrew Lloyd Webber - net worth $1.2bn (£948m)

"Lord Lloyd-Webber said the seven West End theatres he owns were currently costing him more than £1 million a month to run.

"It's a lot of money and we can't do it indefinitely," he said. "We've reached our borrowing limits."

I'm struggling to understand how someone worth $1.2bn has reached his borrowing limit. Also it would cost him £84m to leave them shut for a year which would leave him with a mere £850m to get him through the rest of his life, and at the age of 72 he always has his old age pension to fall back on.

Quite simply when you've got a lot of money it distorts your sense of reality. This is why enough money is never enough money and I've always said it's a mental condition. The feeling that you're going to go poor even when in reality it's almost impossible to spend the vast sums you have.

 

[goatwack]

He may be worth Billions, but as is the case with rich people like him, most of it is surely tied up in various ventures.

I'd hazard he likely has about £9.50 in liquid assets

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I'd hazard he likely has about £9.50 in liquid assets

If he was to invest that in Bonanza he'd he set for the rest of his days.

 

[Borgie]

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[sufferinsilence]

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Vonnie is protecting her chin I see...

 

[goatwack]

Amazing how sense and responsibility go flying when people want to build a sand castle

 

[Robert Rabbit]

He may be worth Billions, but as is the case with rich people like him, most of it is surely tied up in various ventures.

I'd hazard he likely has about £9.50 in liquid assets

So £9 more than me - rich bar steward !!!!

 

[cncas2123]

Is the Mater still going in Belfast? Last time I was there it was quite run down but those who went to it spoke quite highly over it.

Causeway Hospital was a good example over how not to do a hospital; lovely new grounds, wide corridors but forgot to staff it; remember taking my Nephew there after he hurt himself at football and they sent us to Derry as ‘we don’t set’; er, thanks.

Magherafelt was another one that was arguably past its sell by date but probably maintained for community reasons.

Mater still going strong, I spent 3 months in it back in '84 after a car accident - those were the days, Matron used to do a walk round every few days making sure everything was ship shape, nuns used to walk round once a week as it was originally staffed by nuns..... my mates brought me in an old style wide necked glass Coke bottle filled with home brew on the 11th July, oh how I enjoyed that.
They invested heavily in modernising it about a decade ago, and its a decent hospital now, but really its one that could be closed.
Mid - Ulster in Magherafelt is still going strong, but no A&E any more, they are diverted to Coleraine to the Causeway or Stroke City ( Derry/Londonderry) to Altnagelvin.
They have changed the Tyrone County in Omagh to a day hospital, same as South Tyrone in Dungannon, and they built a new hospital in Enniskillen and transferred the Erne over to it....... so they are willing to make some changes, its just the big ones like closing one or more of the 5 hospitals in Belfast that they are reluctant to make.

 

[dionysus]

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Trump says face masks are ‘patriotic’ after months of largely resisting wearing one

 

[goatwack]

Clearly trolling the Press

 

[slotplayer]

I told you the radical left is all in to get rid of Trump.

Over 47k views in 35 minutes.

 

[dionysus]

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Tucker covered the ex-writer. He fired him. Not sure about the Sexual Harassment suit.

 

[mack341]

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[sufferinsilence]

That's terrible, he needs to have a peter finch network moment, to shake up the conservatives before it's too late; it's shocking how far the US has fallen, if the highest profile tv political presenters are fair game for the baying mobs.

We're not quite at that stage in the uk but I doubt it's far off. And of course if any decent citizens come together to protect tucker it will likely be they that get arrested. I believe the couple who came out and showed their weapons in st louis are now in trouble with the law and not the aggressive and threatening mob. You can see why gun owners are right to hold onto their rights, if the authorities won't protect property and life you've got to do it yourself otherwise you've had it if the maniac mobs come calling.

Of course the really wealthy can afford private security around the clock, 1 guard isn't enough really. Tucker just wants to live a normal family life; people say Trump is all powerful and bill barr will do as he told, but trump probably can't even protect tucker from this, so the times can print his location and show pictures of his home while knowing it endangers his family's lives, what utter degenerate scumbags the NYT owners must be if they go ahead with this.

Oh my... The Times said they didn't plan on printing his address before the broadcast nor do they plan to do it after it.

About the gun toting couple, they are lucky it's only the law they're getting in trouble with because the way they were handling their guns it could've been an undertaker instead. Anyway, yeah it's cool to be pointing your guns at a peaceful group of protestors. Carry on.

In Harry's absense:

 

[mack341]

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[mack341]

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[slotplayer]

I doubt the NYT would not print the address. Maybe they back tracked. In any case such actions cross the line.

That Ed Henry story is something else. He's so screwed but the Cathy Areu story is far fetched to me. Tucker, Hannity and Kurtz.

The mob was on their way to the Mayors house. What that prosecutor did is what's going to happen if Biden wins and people like her get prominent positions in the Department of Justice (DOJ).

Mack didn't they silence Katy Hopkins, TR and more recently Nigel from his radio show.

 

[sufferinsilence]

They weren't peaceful, shouting and swearing, making threats, probably trespassing. How could that couple take a risk in any case, after seeing all the riots and violence, they're suppose to be mind readers of this mob?

I think that deserves a huge eye roll.

I was just going on that tucker interview, so no need for any 'oh mys', he seemed alarmed enough to me so that doesn't quite square with your belief he has no need to be alarmed, especially with four children, you're living in dream land if you think he shouldn't be bothered.

They wouldn't have to print his actual address, just a picture of the front of the house and district name would probably be enough to whittle it down. [The mob found out his last address did they not when a left wing journalist publicised it?]

The last thing I condone is the fact Carlson and his family get threatened or worse. Let me be clear about that. But it's handy to have a story ready so you don't have to address what has been going on behind the scenes of your own show for years.

As far as I saw on the videos of "this mob" that was marching through the streets of St. Louis they were peaceful and there was a police presence at the time. There was absolutely no need to be waving your guns on your lawn.

 

[mack341]

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[mack341]

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[slotplayer]

Yes they've all been silenced in various ways, Nigel I like as he has insight; the other two 'hmm' I don't really follow them, but they pop up in the daily mail news from time to time; there are a few writers and journalists who believe in conservative values [old school not david cameron or theresa may style] and freedom of opinion and thought etc..not many though, the mainstream media is probably 90% liberal here too like the US.

I just saw a bit on twitter about the claim against tucker and it sounds far fetched, probably just added him in to stain his reputation, and also add a big name to the claim.

Ed henry I've heard of but not seen his show, I thought he was anti-trump but I may have got that wrong?

The conservative judges trump has appointed to the supreme court seem to be anything but, and more liberal, so that hasn't worked well. Otherwise they could perhaps reverse some of these bonkers partisan decisions by democrat prosecutors, and reconfirm the constitution. [as the liberals seem to hate it]

Nigel I like and I liked Katy a couple years ago. she was just on Sky news AU recently. I was not fan of Tommy that much after watching some of his videos a couple years back.

The Supreme court appointees are always hit or miss.

I could find the original Tucker video (YouTube lol) on the ex-writer but here is a copy of it in full. Tucker seemed pretty sincere to me.

Contrast that to how CNN covered it. Notice the editing.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Nigel I like and I liked Katy a couple years ago. she was just on Sky news AU recently. I was not fan of Tommy that much after watching some of his videos a couple years back.

The Supreme court appointees are always hit or miss.

I could find the original Tucker video (YouTube lol) on the ex-writer but here is a copy of it in full. Tucker seemed pretty sincere to me.

Contrast that to how CNN covered it. Notice the editing.

When you post for years on such a forum that's not just a mistake. I didn't know he touched on the subject but glad he atleast did.

This belongs in the NK thread

 

[dionysus]

This belongs in the NK thread

agreed; letès try to get back on track and keep this to coronavirus for simplicity sake; the NK thread is the political rant dumping ground

 

[mack341]

moved to NK

 

[dionysus]

EDIT: sorry I didn't see the posts above as I was typing away, should I move this to NK?

sounds good - im not trying to curb the discussion, just redirect it to the appropriate thread.

 

[mack341]

sounds good - im not trying to curb the discussion, just redirect it to the appropriate thread.

I'll try and move them but it may be a bit messy

 

[Kroffe]

sounds good - im not trying to curb the discussion, just redirect it to the appropriate thread.

Yeah, sure..Redirect it all to the nature documentary thread..

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[dionysus]

I'll try and move them but it may be a bit messy

all good; im sure itll all sort itself after a few posts

 

[slotplayer]

When you post for years on such a forum that's not just a mistake. I didn't know he touched on the subject but glad he atleast did.

This belongs in the NK thread

I haven't read the NK thread in more than two months and its been so peaceful. I'll try and not derail this thread.

 

[mack341]

It's not as hard as I feared, just opened another tab with the NK thread, then copy and paste; and delete what's left here. NK is a jumble at the best of times so it's not too bad.

 

[goatwack]

I don't see what's confusing at all. I always like to tune in to this thread for updates on North Corona

 

[Kroffe]

It's not as hard as I feared

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[mack341]

Dr Harvey Risch is Professor of Epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine [ Dr. Risch is Associate Editor of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Editor of the International Journal of Cancer, and Member of the Board of Editors, the American Journal of Epidemiology. Dr. Risch is an author of more than 325 original research publications in the medical literature, has an h-index of 88, and is a Member of the Connecticut Academy of Sciences and Engineering. ]

 

[goatwack]

Why allow for a known drug that's been around for 65 years when one could potentially make $Trillions on an upcoming vaccine?

 

[goatwack]

To further highlight how far humanity's come in this crisis, and to be shown to 'care' in an act that transcends logic unto another existential plane, these boxers (Dubois, Pfeiffer) had the pre-fight staredown, as is tradition.

Except here it's behind a perspex SCREEN, to (sigh) 'protect' them from potentially catching Covid off each other *cough* (not that kind of cough)

This will all count for diddly-squat of course, as they square up in the ring to cave each other's skulls in, sans masks. Grapples, headbutts, all the associated joys of pugilism.

I can't even

 

[Kroffe]

To further highlight how far humanity's come in this crisis, and to be shown to 'care' in an act that transcends logic unto another existential plane, these boxers (Dubois, Pfeiffer) had the pre-fight staredown, as is tradition.

Except here it's behind a perplex SCREEN, to (sigh) 'protect' them from potentially catching Covid off each other *cough* (not that kind of cough)

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This will all count for diddly-squat of course, as they square up in the ring to cave each other's skulls in, sans masks. Grapples, headbutts, all the associated joys of pugilism.

I can't even

They always look so serious during those things.
They could learn a thing or two from Sean.

 

[Slottery]

Why allow for a known drug that's been around for 65 years when one could potentially make $Trillions on an upcoming vaccine?

There's one very promising, tested by @ternur as we speak, 1000 pack of beer, if after consuming that have any symptons, double your dose

 

[dealer wins]

I cant believe anyone would accept a vaccine until its been tried and tested for at least 5 years.

I could understand it being worth the risk if Wu Flu was killing 1 in 3 people it infected, but its killed under 1 in 10000 people, and most of those were on the way out within a year or two anyway (sorry to be blunt).

Its not for me, not a chance! It would literally increase my chances of dying overall from Wu Flu.

 

[goatwack]

'Treatments' I'd entertain the notion of, a somewhat 'rushed' vaccine isn't something that warms the cockles of my heart

But more important than my autonomy, is the fact that the populace will be coerced into taking whatever this 'vaccine' turns out to be, or risk being unable to partake in society's most basic functions.

aka no work, no Benefits, no vocational placements, no educational enrolments, no swinger parties

 

[dealer wins]

aka no work, no Benefits, no vocational placements, no educational enrolments, no swinger parties

Thats me right now already lol

 

[goatwack]

Thats me right now already lol

I wish had something uplifting to say to raise your spirits. But it's only going to get much, much worse

 

[Kroffe]

I cant believe anyone would accept a vaccine until its been tried and tested for at least 5 years.

I could understand it being worth the risk if Wu Flu was killing 1 in 3 people it infected, but its killed under 1 in 10000 people, and most of those were on the way out within a year or two anyway (sorry to be blunt).

Its not for me, not a chance! It would literally increase my chances of dying overall from Wu Flu.

Where do you get less than 1 in 10 000 from?

295 000 cases, 45 000 dead for uk.
Thats around 15%
1 in 10 000 would be 0.01% or 29.5 total deaths for the UK.

Theres obviously more cases, since this only shows the confirmed ones, but i really think saying it kills less than 1 in 10 000 infected is a bit optimistic.
Even assuming all 66 million living in the uk has been infected, the 295k deaths would be 0.4%