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Club World: should they really be accredited?

Standards for Accredited Casinos: (and I quote)




"Must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally."

nope. not lately


"Must pay winnings in a timely manner."

nope. not lately


"Must have a representative (who can walk and chew gum at the same time) listed in Casinomeister's forum. This representative must be directly involved with customer/player service, or who can make decisions involving player issues."

nope. not lately

but yet...the accreditation remains. any newb is gonna get thrown to the wolves if they show up and decide to play at cwc right now...
 
This is going on strangely. How is no responses from casinomeister in addition to no responses from clubworld. Did not anyone read this long thread? How is not any comments by either? casinomeister must have opinion?

I have been on the road off and on for nearly a month, but now I am back. When I see a thread that is sixteen pages long, and my time is limited, I figure (or hope) that the senior members or the moderators have it under control - especially when NO ONE has alerted me to this thread via the "Report a Post" function. Sure it may be titled "...should they be accredited?", but I reckoned that it was merely some steam being blown off. Nothing wrong with that.

I'll spend some time today to see what the problem is. If someone could reference the specific posts that are troublesome, that would be great. Thanks!
 
What I find odd, is if you look at the names of the members who have viewed this thread at the bottom, you will see ALL REPS from CWC have read atleast some of this thread. NOT ONE OF THEM HAS COMMENTED ON ANYTHING!

Now on another forum Smackness has replied as a rep for this group, and read it, Martyn has read it, Clubworld and CWCGL have read it and not one of them replies? Could it be that the owners/upper levels of management have told them to be quiet?

Why they have chosen now to stay quiet is beyond me, but someone needs to step up here because their silence is not helping them at this point. I know each players case is different but they are similar in many ways also. The declines without reason, the e-mails stating to make the withdrawal again only to be declined again. The over used excuse "Processor Problems" and withdrawals being ignored, and now the silence from all Reps in this group.

Again, it leads to speculation of the worse kind, but no one seems to care at this group? C'mon Reps, you need to start defending yoursleves here, let us know what is going on because your silence is only hurting your casinos.

LH

It's like deja vu...Louise with Rushmore, now Tom with CWC??? Hmmmm...
 
I have been on the road off and on for nearly a month, but now I am back. When I see a thread that is sixteen pages long, and my time is limited, I figure (or hope) that the senior members or the moderators have it under control - especially when NO ONE has alerted me to this thread via the "Report a Post" function. Sure it may be titled "...should they be accredited?", but I reckoned that it was merely some steam being blown off. Nothing wrong with that.

I'll spend some time today to see what the problem is. If someone could reference the specific posts that are troublesome, that would be great. Thanks!

Bryan,

The problem has been brewing for much more than a month. I would say its been at least 6 months to a year. They were declining w/ds and reversing the amounts back to accounts without any explanation. That was when Martyn was with CWC so go figure. Not much later they cited processor problems were causing delays to cashouts for USA players. That was when the JC group and Inetbet had no problems whatsoever doing so and before Slotocash (RTG) arrived on the scene. Now delays in cashouts are extended to non-USA players and w/ds continue to be declined on a more massive scale with no explanation given whatsoever. Admittedly when players were told to try again they finally got paid usually the second time around but still its bad form. Tom was always on top of things and suddenly goes MIA. Something is up. Definitely!
 
Hi All,

I check the withdrawals and the cashier systems regularly. Everyone is being paid promptly and efficiently. All Private Messages here and emails sent to the Cashier are responded to within one business day with first time resolution on Cashier enquiries at nearly 100%

No withdrawals are being declined without a very specific reason and if withdrawals are declined then the reason for this is provided both to the player by email and in a Customer Service comment so the information is available to the advisor if a player contacts our 24/7 support.

Regards
Tom
 
Hi All,

I check the withdrawals and the cashier systems regularly. Everyone is being paid promptly and efficiently. All Private Messages here and emails sent to the Cashier are responded to within one business day with first time resolution on Cashier enquiries at nearly 100%

No withdrawals are being declined without a very specific reason and if withdrawals are declined then the reason for this is provided both to the player by email and in a Customer Service comment so the information is available to the advisor if a player contacts our 24/7 support.

Regards
Tom

My experience is that you guys pay promptly and it does seem payments are made round the clock, including weekends recently. However, I am not sure whether reasons are relayed to players for declined withdrawals. In fact, its usually the opposite ie no reasons are given for declined w/ds and players are told after enquiring that they should submit yet another withdrawal.
 
So this thread was not necessary from the beginning?:confused:
Everyone that has posted about their getting denied without getting any reason must have been lying.
All payments have been paid without delays.
Everyone complained just because they love to complain?
I don't know what to believe anymore, but I am one from Europe that have stopped playing there because of this. Maybe there are more like me that believe what is posted.
 
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My experience is that you guys pay promptly and it does seem payments are made round the clock, including weekends recently. However, I am not sure whether reasons are relayed to players for declined withdrawals. In fact, its usually the opposite ie no reasons are given for declined w/ds and players are told after enquiring that they should submit yet another withdrawal.

This has been my experience. Several times I've had withdrawal requests declined and returned to my balance. When I resubmit the withdrawal request for the exact same amount using the same method, it is then processed. I have never received an email explaining why the first withdrawal request failed.

Other than this, I have no complaints.
 
i love lucky red but have asked that my account be closed due to this thread last night.

this morning i have a e-mail that says all players have been paid and they are still paying by their timeframe as stated on their site.

lucky red is a great casino and the cs is killer there i really like everyone i deal with but being in the u.s and reading this thread that until now

no one has gotten back to. i just feel uneasy playing there until i know that they r back on track.

i hope they get everything worked out. so i can go back to playing there.
 
Hi All,

I check the withdrawals and the cashier systems regularly. Everyone is being paid promptly and efficiently. All Private Messages here and emails sent to the Cashier are responded to within one business day with first time resolution on Cashier enquiries at nearly 100%

No withdrawals are being declined without a very specific reason and if withdrawals are declined then the reason for this is provided both to the player by email and in a Customer Service comment so the information is available to the advisor if a player contacts our 24/7 support.

Regards
Tom

It's the small fraction who are having withdrawals declined for no reason that are posting here. It is for no reason when CS simply say "try again" and it then works. If there was a reason, then simply submitting the withdrawal would result in it being declined, and this would happen repeatedly until the reason for it was addressed.

If the reason is also provided as a comment for CS agents to see, why are they just saying "try again" to some players rather than seeing a comment that gives a reason for the denial.

Everyone is being paid - true, but certainly not all promptly and efficiently.

Now you are back, all player who have had a decline and been told "try again" by CS should send you a PM with their details so that you can determine why it happened. Given that "nearly 100%" are not having any such problems, this should not be an onerous burden on your time.
 
ClubWorld

A few days ago, I vented about my frustrations on not receiving my 2500.00 ACH from September 10, 2012. Clubworld came through this past Friday and placed the funds in my Okay pay account that same day. Yesterday I had a cashout and it was processed and in my okay pay account this morning. Thank-you clubworld and staff for reassuring your players in your efforts to straighten out the mass confusion and frustrations. Also thank-you Casinomeister for your pure Existence. You are so full of knowledge when it comes to the Gaming World:)
 
Hi All,

I check the withdrawals and the cashier systems regularly. Everyone is being paid promptly and efficiently. All Private Messages here and emails sent to the Cashier are responded to within one business day with first time resolution on Cashier enquiries at nearly 100%

And it took 3 weeks to make this statement?

No withdrawals are being declined without a very specific reason and if withdrawals are declined then the reason for this is provided both to the player by email and in a Customer Service comment so the information is available to the advisor if a player contacts our 24/7 support.

Regards
Tom

Its not always a 3 day wait for me. Here is exactly what my personal dealings have been lately. Anyone else going through this same process with them?

sept 5 cashout approved. Yaaay!
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sept 6 request cashout
sept 10 declined
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sept 10 request cashout
sept 13 declined
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sept 13 request cashout
sept 14 declined
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sept 14 request cashout
sept 17 declined
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sept 17 request cashout
sept 19 declined
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*at this point I have been more than fed up so I took a few days break of contacting support and requesting again*
sept 23 request cashout
sept 24 declined
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sept 25 request cashout
sept 27 declined
sept 27 they did remove my bonus from the cashout request this time but still declined it. HaHa. as if to rub it in my face it seems. Haha.

I don't know if everyone is going through this but it really irks me. You must realize that each time I get this generic email, I am then forced to contact support and ask them why. Then they just say they will fwd my issue to banking and to try the withdrawal again. So this is starting to really waste my time and become like a job. I don't want to have to spend hours messing around with this. I want to simply play at an accredited casino and when I want my money back out of the casino then a simple withdrawal and payment is what I expect. This is not it. HaHa.

Was there a "very specific reason" emailed to this player with each one of these 7 consecutive declined withdrawals? I'm not saying there wasn't but it seems rather silly for this person to keep resubmitting withdrawals without rectifying the very specific reason for the withdrawals being denied.

I guess it's not really my business but to be honest I'm kind of curious what happened On September 6th. The withdrawal the day before that was approved and then the next 7 were declined.
 
Although there are other issues in this thread, the main one appears to be communication.

It's really quite simple.

Several (not just a few and not just in this thread AND not just recently) have reported having withdrawals declined with NO reason provided and NO instructions as to how they can resolve the issue.

CWC have, once again, stated categorically that their cashiers ALWAYS (not usually or generally) inform the player via email of the reason why their withdrawal has been declined.

So, someone has got it wrong, as both parties can't be right. What needs to be established is which of the parties are telling it like it is. My suggestion is that anyone who has had a cashout declined post here an exact copy of the email received from the cashier. If these examples show that reasons are NOT being provided as stated, then it means that either the cashiers are doing a snow job on Tom or he's not being honest (unlikely).

I'll tell you one thing. I know some of the members posting about this issue are straight up, so for me the posting of emails is unnecessary.....its purely for evidence purposes, so that a proper case can be formed.

Tom quoted a figure of "nearly 100%" first contact resolution within 1 business day. Well is it 90%? 99%? 80%? "Nearly" is a subjective term. I think it would be helpful to know the figure. However, the REAL problem here is that players shouldn't HAVE to contact CS/cashiers in the first place. If a reason and instructions are given initially, and the player complies, the next event should be the player getting paid and there would be no need for anyone else to become involved.

The part that CWC should appreciate is that feedback like that in this thread is priceless. Good business people will tell you that for every customer who takes the time to give feedback and allow the business to resolve the issues, ten will just say "I'm off" and go elsewhere. The ones who complain are your friends. Ignore them at your peril.
 
It may just be the way I see it but the response I read seems to pretty much ignore this entire thread and simply say "We're doing nothing wrong."

I don't think it was really the response most of us where hoping for.
 
In the case of one of my withdrawals, the reason for declining it was valid... I had a credit card I hadn't provided. But I contacted them, not the other way around.

Another was pending after it should have been approved, and it took a little prod with the cashier during business hours to be paid.

In another, it was declined, and then approved and paid within the span of a couple of minutes. But a poster in another thread had that happen and the balance returned to her account while she was playing. She noticed immediately, but how many of us use autoplay and go to the fridge, are watching the reels and not our balance, etc? After contacting chat, it was fixed.

Maybe those of us who have been paid can check our histories and see if this declined, approved within a few minutes is happening often? Perhaps there is an automated feature that needs addressing.

I personally still have enough faith in CWG to keep playing. These minor issues I probably would not have even posted about except that others outside the US were having problems, and I thought I should share my own experiences.

But I probably wouldn't have known to make sure I dealt with support during UK business hours when cashier was in, telephoned (which I almost never do) and chased up my payments if not for the contributions of others here.


Well that is easy to explain if you were playing with a bonus. The withdrawal is always declined once, the bonus amount you received is subtracted and then the withdrawal is approved for the lower amount. I know this is true when playing with a bonus, if not playing with a bonus, I can't say, but it might just be how the cashier works.
 
Well that is easy to explain if you were playing with a bonus. The withdrawal is always declined once, the bonus amount you received is subtracted and then the withdrawal is approved for the lower amount. I know this is true when playing with a bonus, if not playing with a bonus, I can't say, but it might just be how the cashier works.

Why does it have to be a two step process? Why not remove the bonus and then process the payment.

Maybe they ARE doing something wrong, as in this case:-

sept 5 cashout approved. Yaaay!
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sept 6 request cashout
sept 10 declined
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sept 10 request cashout
sept 13 declined
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sept 13 request cashout
sept 14 declined
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sept 14 request cashout
sept 17 declined
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sept 17 request cashout
sept 19 declined
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*at this point I have been more than fed up so I took a few days break of contacting support and requesting again*
sept 23 request cashout
sept 24 declined
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sept 25 request cashout
sept 27 declined
sept 27 they did remove my bonus from the cashout request this time but still declined it. HaHa. as if to rub it in my face it seems. Haha.

It looks like it was the cashier's failure to remove the bonus when declining the withdrawal on Sept 10th that created this string of "no reason" declines, which only ended when on Sept 27th they finally removed the bonus when declining, and since this is the end of the list, I presume it was then paid on the next attempt.

HOWEVER, why did it take from the 6th to the 10th to decline for such a basic standard reason. Clearly, the requests are NOT being scanned every day with those that can be paid sent out for processing, and those that can't dealt with either by holding them over or bouncing them back to the player when further action is needed on their part.

This is what SHOULD have happened.

sept 6 request cashout
sept 7 declined - reason "bonus amount included in request, please request again only the withdrawable balance not including the bonus"
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sept 7 request cashout of lesser amount, leaving bonus in account for removal
sept 8 PAID
 
Why does it have to be a two step process? Why not remove the bonus and then process the payment.

Maybe they ARE doing something wrong, as in this case:-



It looks like it was the cashier's failure to remove the bonus when declining the withdrawal on Sept 10th that created this string of "no reason" declines, which only ended when on Sept 27th they finally removed the bonus when declining, and since this is the end of the list, I presume it was then paid on the next attempt.

HOWEVER, why did it take from the 6th to the 10th to decline for such a basic standard reason. Clearly, the requests are NOT being scanned every day with those that can be paid sent out for processing, and those that can't dealt with either by holding them over or bouncing them back to the player when further action is needed on their part.

This is what SHOULD have happened.

Actually, no it shouldn't.

RTG software doesn't work like that. The bonus is always deducted from the cashout request. Leaving the bonus for removal doesn't work. It is across the board at all RTG AFAIK.

The whole decline to remove the bonus thing is a non-issue. The whole decline/rerequest/approve process takes minutes and emails are sent so its obvious to the player.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
Why was it declined on the 27th after the bonus was removed?


Given Nifty's reply, why was it declined at all. It's not the players' responsibilty to take account of the bonus when calculating how much to request, so why the first decline, let alone the last after the cashiers eventually removed the bonus.

In this case, it should have been:-

sept 6 request cashout
sept 7 Processed and paid out after deduction of non cashable bonus.


Any delay after the 7th should have been down to the processor and banking systems, but it wasn't, the delays were because the amount kept being placed back in the player's casino account.

If Tom has given a true account, then this player, along with many others, is lying to the forum.
 
Given Nifty's reply, why was it declined at all. It's not the players' responsibilty to take account of the bonus when calculating how much to request, so why the first decline, let alone the last after the cashiers eventually removed the bonus.

In this case, it should have been:-




Any delay after the 7th should have been down to the processor and banking systems, but it wasn't, the delays were because the amount kept being placed back in the player's casino account.

If Tom has given a true account, then this player, along with many others, is lying to the forum.

Well, I agree of course. I've never manually deducted the amount of my bonus while making a withdrawal. I'm not sure how you can even initiate a withdrawal of more than your cashable balance. Shouldn't the software automatically say "You can't withdraw that much?"

But if the original excuse was that the money bounced back because the bonus was added to the withdrawal I still don't understand the last one if the bonus was removed before the withdrawal was made. If the bonus was the sole cause of the denials the last one should have been accepted.
 
Allidans Gold payout

I won a 2700.00 dollor jackpot on 10/6/12 and received 1st 2500 payment within 10 days. I requested 2nd payout on 10/15/12 and have got no tracking number. Request 3rd payout on 10/21/12 and it is has not been reviewed yet. Online chat said they are still waiting for tracking numbers and would email about next payout. Seen message from Tom and hope he sees this
 
jackpot was $27000.00

Congrats on your huge jackpot! I would not count on Tom seeing your post. I talked to him the other day and he said he has passed the forum torch on to Karol. (clubworld)

Have you sent a private message here?

If not-I would if I were you.:)


Wanted to add -I do hope you get all of your winnings soon as well!
 
similar....... experience........with clubworld

I won a 2700.00 dollor jackpot on 10/6/12 and received 1st 2500 payment within 10 days. I requested 2nd payout on 10/15/12 and have got no tracking number. Request 3rd payout on 10/21/12 and it is has not been reviewed yet. Online chat said they are still waiting for tracking numbers and would email about next payout. Seen message from Tom and hope he sees this

With clubworld I had a similar experience moths ago: I won nearly 8.000 usd and I asked for wire transfer directly to my bank account....after days checking my bank account i did not find any amount and in a subsequent telephone call they explained that for intl, markets like italy ( to reduce tax risk...) they pay in smaller installment.
So to easier see my money I asked them to credit my neteller account . After nearly 30 days i got all the money ...excepiting some amounts I lost while waiting......:)...strategy'''!!!.....
To be honest with the reputation of this group i was not expecting that ....but it is not all.... recently they basically cancelled me as a client ...after nearly 1.000 deposits I made in one year , assuming a different way to comunicate promos; instead of daily and weekly e-mail they are only posting promos on the casino page.......from that moment I never received any message on my casinos pages !!!!!
To my question to Tom ......,..... Karolina answered:
I have checked your account, and it has been setup so that you are not able to redeem those coupons at the moment. Instead of wagering and games restrictions, you will be more flexible to playing with your own deposits.
well, I am happy they told me that with my money i can do what I like.....Just in case I forgot it.....and my trainer find me more flexible too...... but what really appened is that from promotions ranging from 70% to 350% bonus with a wager from 10 to 25 times ...where bj has a 60% - 100% value ...I am now on only 35% bonus , wager for all games 50 times and bj value is only 50%.....
I am not familiar with this way to do, maybe it is normal with online casinos......but generally, when you win , normal casinos sends to you more promotions and invitation ( free hotels, free trips and free services...etc... ) cause they know ...the more you play the more possibility you have to loose what you won ... .This group does the opposit ....when you win they cut you off......
So, friendS, if you ever win at clubworld and are able to get payed....look around for other casinos before they change expecially for you their systems and make you.....MORE FLEXIBLE!!!!!!
ciaooo to everybody
magrilli
 
Hi Pdadan

It is the downside of withdrawing a large amount via cheque that we have to wait for each cheque to completely clear the system before we can issue the next one. As Carol advised this morning the best way is to request the funds via a couple of different methods so we can keep the funds moving as quickly as possible.

Kind Regards
Tom
 
Its not always a 3 day wait for me. Here is exactly what my personal dealings have been lately. Anyone else going through this same process with them?

sept 5 cashout approved. Yaaay!
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sept 6 request cashout
sept 10 declined
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sept 10 request cashout
sept 13 declined
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sept 13 request cashout
sept 14 declined
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sept 14 request cashout
sept 17 declined
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sept 17 request cashout
sept 19 declined
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*at this point I have been more than fed up so I took a few days break of contacting support and requesting again*
sept 23 request cashout
sept 24 declined
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sept 25 request cashout
sept 27 declined
sept 27 they did remove my bonus from the cashout request this time but still declined it. HaHa. as if to rub it in my face it seems. Haha.

I don't know if everyone is going through this but it really irks me. You must realize that each time I get this generic email, I am then forced to contact support and ask them why. Then they just say they will fwd my issue to banking and to try the withdrawal again. So this is starting to really waste my time and become like a job. I don't want to have to spend hours messing around with this. I want to simply play at an accredited casino and when I want my money back out of the casino then a simple withdrawal and payment is what I expect. This is not it. HaHa.

Did we ever find out why the last withdrawal was declined? I'm sure I read every post but maybe I missed it?
 
the best way is to request the funds via a couple of different methods so we can keep the funds moving as quickly as possible.

Wow haven't been here for several days and was surprised to still see this going.

I just have to respond to the above. On two occasions I won large amounts and did divide my withdrawals into multiple forms up to the max. I was already annoyed that they had lowered their max but was told this would work. The first time they processed one method in a few days but the rest were stalled for no reason given. It took over three weeks to receive funds from a second method. I just played back some of the money.

I received many emails after with profuse apologies and claims it would never happen again. They were right. The second time was even worse and I was lucky to receive half my withdrawal. I just played the rest back and realized Clubworld will stall and stall if you win a large amount.

Considering I was a regular depositor and supposedly a "VIP" I can only imagine how I would be treated if I weren't a VIP. I welcome any rep who would like to review my account within the last year. They can PM me and I will give my user name so they can review and see exactly what I am referring to.

Sorry but the stories and excuses are falling apart. I have no idea what has caused such a breakdown of a great casino. At first I thought it was just the USA affected but it seems that isn't the case. Time to get it together CW.
 
Hi Dinah,

There are no stories and excuses, and things are certainly not falling apart. We processed your withdrawal and uploaded it to the processor in good faith, however unfortunately the funds did not arrive in your account.

It did take a little while to get to the bottom of this however the processor did eventually locate the issue and managed to get the funds to you, and we corresponded with you regularly throughout this process.

This situation is mercifully rare and although it is a third party that has let us both down we do take full responsibility and will always ensure that the payment is completed.

Kind regards
Tom
 
payout

Karolina @ cw and cashier have sent tracking numbers and should arrive by oct 30. I hope to see if the rest comes through all right. thank you Karilina and Tom
 
Hi Dinah,

There are no stories and excuses, and things are certainly not falling apart. We processed your withdrawal and uploaded it to the processor in good faith, however unfortunately the funds did not arrive in your account.

It did take a little while to get to the bottom of this however the processor did eventually locate the issue and managed to get the funds to you, and we corresponded with you regularly throughout this process.

This situation is mercifully rare and although it is a third party that has let us both down we do take full responsibility and will always ensure that the payment is completed.

Kind regards
Tom

and no EXPLANATIONS either. It seems the questions are being dodged.

We still haven't had an explanation as to why NON-US players are encountering UIGEA style delays and funds repeatedly bounced back to their account for no reason other than CS saying "just try again".
 
Dear xxxxxxx,

This automated email is to confirm that your NETeller withdrawal request for the amount of $xxxx.00 has been declined and the funds returned to your casino balance.

If you have not already received personal contact from us detailing the reasons for this please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Cashier Team
LuckyRedCasino.com

Email: [email protected]
Toll Free US Phone: 1-866-513-0587
Toll Free US Fax: 1-866-728-5443

This is same everytime. Never explanation given. Not once. Not ever.
 
This is same everytime. Never explanation given. Not once. Not ever.

Thanks for posting that email. I have recieved one like that too from Highnoon when they were new. No explanation.
I haven't been back since so that single email without an explanation was costing them a customer.

I might should add that I do play at Club World. Never any problems and are always paid very fast.
 
Hi All,

I check the withdrawals and the cashier systems regularly. Everyone is being paid promptly and efficiently. All Private Messages here and emails sent to the Cashier are responded to within one business day with first time resolution on Cashier enquiries at nearly 100%

No withdrawals are being declined without a very specific reason and if withdrawals are declined then the reason for this is provided both to the player by email and in a Customer Service comment so the information is available to the advisor if a player contacts our 24/7 support.

Regards
Tom

Dear xxxxxxx,

This automated email is to confirm that your NETeller withdrawal request for the amount of $xxxx.00 has been declined and the funds returned to your casino balance.

If you have not already received personal contact from us detailing the reasons for this please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Cashier Team
LuckyRedCasino.com

Email: [email protected]
Toll Free US Phone: 1-866-513-0587
Toll Free US Fax: 1-866-728-5443


Of course it is, that email is crystal clear about the reason for the declined withdrawal:rolleyes:

Players seem to always have to get in touch, and when they do, CS are likely to say "just try it again".

What is becoming clear is that you have some serious issues, but CWC management are in denial, so nothing is being addressed. How about going down to front line CS and watch a few of them deal with this situation. Do they read the account comment and give the player clear guidance, or do they "wing it" and give them an unsubstantiated but possible reason, and just tell them to keep trying till it works.
 
On my last withdrawals that I said I was doing as a test I had a mixed bag. 2 of the 3 casinos paid and they were very small and I have been waiting on the other since Oct. 22nd. It has not been denied or approved yet - it is just sitting there still.
When I posted all of those denied withdrawals earlier in this thread there was never a reason given as to why I must admit. The casino that I am still waiting on payments from is the same one that I posted all of the denials earlier. Much has been paid but it isn't timely at all. I'm not sure if each casino has the same cashiers or different but they are paid differently to me at least. It may have to do with the large win I had at one of them, which they seem to not want to pay out.
 
On my last withdrawals that I said I was doing as a test I had a mixed bag. 2 of the 3 casinos paid and they were very small and I have been waiting on the other since Oct. 22nd. It has not been denied or approved yet - it is just sitting there still.
When I posted all of those denied withdrawals earlier in this thread there was never a reason given as to why I must admit. The casino that I am still waiting on payments from is the same one that I posted all of the denials earlier. Much has been paid but it isn't timely at all. I'm not sure if each casino has the same cashiers or different but they are paid differently to me at least. It may have to do with the large win I had at one of them, which they seem to not want to pay out.

Are the casinos your waiting for your withdrawals from part of the ClubWorld group? I ask this because if you have reached the max payout for the week with 1 casino, you will not be able to withdraw from anyone of their casinos until 7 days after your withdrawal that maxed you out for that week.

Could that be the reason why you were declined so many times? I am not making excuses for them, but that is their rule that they do enforce. IF that is the case, they should have notified you of that.

LH
 
No. The 2 cashouts were for less than a combined $300 actually. I have a larger cashout pending at another of the club world groups that is getting a bit ignored right now. I will be really surprised if they don't process it today though. I still have faith in them but I'm getting a bit nervous.

Yes, all these were from club world group and I was already aware of the max payout policy per week. That isn't in play with all of those denials. I cant say with any certainty what the issue was and I don't want to guess and and make them look worse but I sure hope it isn't that they just didnt want to pay or couldnt pay. That is concerning.
 
I think we have read enough and its high time to focus again on the title of this thread.

Should this group continue to be accredited? Despite Tom's affirmation that they send out emails advising players of the reasons for declines of withdrawals I havent noticed them and neither do I see many players receiving these emails either. If they are so non-communicative why should they remain accredited? These problems date back at least 6 months ago yet we are getting nowhere.
 
Hello,

The email that kiblon posted is an automated email that is generated whenever a withdrawal request is declined. It is not supposed to provide an explanation as there are number of reasons why we would decline a withdrawal – this information is sent manually afterwards.

In the vast majority of cases the decline is because my cashier team need to return the funds to the player’s balance to remove the bonus. In this case the bonus is removed, and the withdrawal immediately re-requested and paid. In these cases we do not follow up manually every time to explain this as the withdrawal is approved within moments.

Other reasons can include that the player has not completed their account verification, we do not have sufficient information to process the payment (account numbers) etc.

In every case the reason why the withdrawal is declined is sent to the player via email and posted on the player’s account in our admin system so that the 24 hour team have sufficient information to advise the player.
If you want to know the reason why your withdrawal was declined, simply check your emails or contact customer services.

Manstaff – your last withdrawal in CWC was paid within 12 hours, the withdrawal prior to this was also paid within 12 hours. Also in LRC your withdrawals are currently being paid according to schedule, with large payments sent on the 15th and 22nd. There was indeed a period of time where your withdrawals were being declined and not paid effectively, there is a good reason for this however it is not one that I am prepared to discuss on a public forum.

Kind Regards
Tom
 
Hello,

The email that kiblon posted is an automated email that is generated whenever a withdrawal request is declined. It is not supposed to provide an explanation as there are number of reasons why we would decline a withdrawal – this information is sent manually afterwards.

In the vast majority of cases the decline is because my cashier team need to return the funds to the player’s balance to remove the bonus. In this case the bonus is removed, and the withdrawal immediately re-requested and paid. In these cases we do not follow up manually every time to explain this as the withdrawal is approved within moments.

Other reasons can include that the player has not completed their account verification, we do not have sufficient information to process the payment (account numbers) etc.

In every case the reason why the withdrawal is declined is sent to the player via email and posted on the player’s account in our admin system so that the 24 hour team have sufficient information to advise the player.
If you want to know the reason why your withdrawal was declined, simply check your emails or contact customer services.


Manstaff – your last withdrawal in CWC was paid within 12 hours, the withdrawal prior to this was also paid within 12 hours. Also in LRC your withdrawals are currently being paid according to schedule, with large payments sent on the 15th and 22nd. There was indeed a period of time where your withdrawals were being declined and not paid effectively, there is a good reason for this however it is not one that I am prepared to discuss on a public forum.

Kind Regards
Tom


Firstly, the bolded part is NOT true. You have never sent out any sort of explanation nor does the support staff have any clue as to why this happens.

secondly, I am extremely interested to know why you believe it was acceptable to delay my cashouts without communication. Please PM me with this reason as you are not wanting to discuss on a public forum.
 
Hello,

The email that kiblon posted is an automated email that is generated whenever a withdrawal request is declined. It is not supposed to provide an explanation as there are number of reasons why we would decline a withdrawal – this information is sent manually afterwards.

In the vast majority of cases the decline is because my cashier team need to return the funds to the player’s balance to remove the bonus. In this case the bonus is removed, and the withdrawal immediately re-requested and paid. In these cases we do not follow up manually every time to explain this as the withdrawal is approved within moments.

Other reasons can include that the player has not completed their account verification, we do not have sufficient information to process the payment (account numbers) etc.

In every case the reason why the withdrawal is declined is sent to the player via email and posted on the player’s account in our admin system so that the 24 hour team have sufficient information to advise the player.
If you want to know the reason why your withdrawal was declined, simply check your emails or contact customer services.

Manstaff – your last withdrawal in CWC was paid within 12 hours, the withdrawal prior to this was also paid within 12 hours. Also in LRC your withdrawals are currently being paid according to schedule, with large payments sent on the 15th and 22nd. There was indeed a period of time where your withdrawals were being declined and not paid effectively, there is a good reason for this however it is not one that I am prepared to discuss on a public forum.
Kind Regards
Tom

Why so evasive, the reason is surely just the standard one about the combined weekly withdrawal limit being exceeded.

What seems to be going wrong is that after the automated email, players are NOT receiving the follow up explanation that should be sent. When they contact CS, they are sometimes then being told to just try again. So, not only is the follow up email not being sent, but CS are a bit "lazy" and say "try again" rather than look at the account comments to determine the reason.

There is also the stream of complaints about withdrawals that just "sit there", being neither processed nor declined. This is a separate problem, and is not just affecting US players. Your earlier explanation of why such things happen ONLY applies to US players, and should NOT be experienced by non-US players where processing is a much more straight forward matter.

The unwillingness to address the issues only leads to further worries that there is some big secret behind all of this, one that CWC don't want players finding out about. The problem is that whatever has been going on will get revealed, and it will be checked against what was being said at the time.

In a year where players and affiliates have been screwed repeatedly by casinos that first lie to downplay the reasons behind any problems, and then "do a runner" leaving customers out of pocket, and affiliates unpaid, there needs to be 100% transparency in order to retain trust.

Many are still reeling from the totally unexpected collapse and screwing over they received from Purple Lounge, which in March was just as trusted as CWC. If it can happen to Purple Lounge, it can happen to ANYBODY, even the most trusted brands.

Casinos are paranoid about chargebacks, but players are paranoid about casinos with no money pretending everything is normal in order to keep them depositing. Before UIGEA, it was rare for a bust operator to not be rescued by another, thus preserving players' balances. This started to go wrong after TUSK went under, and only the casinos were rescued. This was also Microgaming, a brand so trusted that players thought there was a safety net that would ensure their funds remained intact. TUSK showed there wasn't. Softwares such as RTG are known to have no safety net in place, and often nothing much in the way of regulatory protection of players' funds. Playtech and RTG casinos have often gone bust, and many have done so after taking as much extra money from players as they could by pretending the delays were temporary and their money was safe.

Unless there is a credible explanation for all these problems, one that fits the evidence gained from players' experiences, players will still think something pretty bad is only just being kept at bay, and could easily break free and eat all the funds they have trusted the casino to look after.

It didn't help that you handed over to a new rep, but told nobody in advance, which left a 3 week period where it looked like you had "gone to ground" and was no longer willing to discuss and attempt to resolve the issues being experienced. The impression of the replacement was that they had no intention of doing anything more than "mind the store", and would not participate in resolving the wider issues.

When a previously active rep suddenly vanishes, no posts, no response to PMs, it rings alarm bells for players.
 
Why so evasive, the reason is surely just the standard one about the combined weekly withdrawal limit being exceeded...
Tom wasn't being evasive, he said he was not prepared to discuss this on a public message board. Please don't make statements as though they are facts when you are simply making an assumption. That's not doing anybody any good.

When a previously active rep suddenly vanishes, no posts, no response to PMs, it rings alarm bells for players.
As I mentioned earlier. No one brought this thread to my attention at all. Not through a PM or report a post; I figured it was players blowing off steam.

At the end of the day, it's my responsibility to bring serious threads to the attention of the reps. And if I don't know that there is a problem, then I don't know.
 

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