Club World Casinos - licensed?

[greedygirl]

Too much focus on Affiliates, how about how the casino treats the players? That should be the core issue here, not how about Affiliates make a living off people losing.

This IS about protecting the players. If you know that an operator is committing theft and fraud upon those they rely upon to deliver the players, history will show you that the players are next in line. There are two reasons operators don't pay their affiliates and vendors: 1) Greed and 2) No funds in the coffers for payments. Usually #1 creates #2.

If you believe we are focusing too much on affiliates, you are absolutely wrong. Affiliates are the first to get screwed and players won't be far behind. Please understand we ARE trying to protect the players.

 

[Dinahnana]

I think the writing was on the wall that Club World Group was heading for Rogue Town when they removed Neteller and Skrill from their cashier system. This to me is a bad sign since Jackpot Capital Group still has them. Also when they were bought by a shady outfit I knew this was going to happen. So now we are left with a handful of decent RTG casinos. RTG is not coming out of this in a good way in my opinion since as it stands the vast majority of the casinos operating on their software are rogues. This is not good.

I think if RTG wants to stay alive maybe they ought to license their games in Europe to multi platform casinos so that we in Europe can enjoy playing the games without worrying about situations like this happening. I am not sure it can be done but if Videoslots has Rival then why not some RTG games? Just a thought.

If the whole debacle with Purple Lounge casino taught me is that nothing is certain in the online casino industry and casinos can go from being excellent to rogue in a very fast and spectacular fashion. I am saddened by what has happened with CWC group as they were the best RTG casinos out there.

I am sure their great people Martyn and Karolina will not have any problem finding new employment as they have publicly proven that they can do a top notch job and that I think are qualities that any good outfit are looking for so I wish them all the work and thank them for their years of service.

Very dark days indeed and I am truly pissed that their affiliate program has shafted their affiliates since it's mostly the affiliates that bring the customers in and a casino cannot survive without them. I am not an affiliate but I think that job is a very difficult one at the best of times. They put so much work into their sites and sometimes the rewards are small and sometimes big so when a major affiliate program goes rogue and screws them out of their hard earned money it really gets my goat.

 

[nutnut]

This IS about protecting the players. If you know that an operator is committing theft and fraud upon those they rely upon to deliver the players, history will show you that the players are next in line. There are two reasons operators don't pay their affiliates and vendors: 1) Greed and 2) No funds in the coffers for payments. Usually #1 creates #2.

If you believe we are focusing too much on affiliates, you are absolutely wrong. Affiliates are the first to get screwed and players won't be far behind. Please understand we ARE trying to protect the players.

Well I disagree, the two are totally separate. I have worked with companies before, running ads and at times they have pulled and not paid me what i owe. But it does not relate at all to the players not being paid. Affiliates trying to force their view point will no doubt win on here given half the forum is running their own.

But it won't wash with me. Until the players are screwed then the affiliates complaining about not being paid is a totally different point.

 

[nutnut]

I think the writing was on the wall that Club World Group was heading for Rogue Town when they removed Neteller and Skrill from their cashier system. This to me is a bad sign since Jackpot Capital Group still has them. Also when they were bought by a shady outfit I knew this was going to happen. So now we are left with a handful of decent RTG casinos. RTG is not coming out of this in a good way in my opinion since as it stands the vast majority of the casinos operating on their software are rogues. This is not good.

I think if RTG wants to stay alive maybe they ought to license their games in Europe to multi platform casinos so that we in Europe can enjoy playing the games without worrying about situations like this happening. I am not sure it can be done but if Videoslots has Rival then why not some RTG games? Just a thought.

If the whole debacle with Purple Lounge casino taught me is that nothing is certain in the online casino industry and casinos can go from being excellent to rogue in a very fast and spectacular fashion. I am saddened by what has happened with CWC group as they were the best RTG casinos out there.

I am sure their great people Martyn and Karolina will not have any problem finding new employment as they have publicly proven that they can do a top notch job and that I think are qualities that any good outfit are looking for so I wish them all the work and thank them for their years of service.

Very dark days indeed and I am truly pissed that their affiliate program has shafted their affiliates since it's mostly the affiliates that bring the customers in and a casino cannot survive without them. I am not an affiliate but I think that job is a very difficult one at the best of times. They put so much work into their sites and sometimes the rewards are small and sometimes big so when a major affiliate program goes rogue and screws them out of their hard earned money it really gets my goat.

This is not true at all, once you have the links for sign ups all it requires is a few words and images and good SEO skills and basic web design skills and knowledge, affiliate sites should be hobbies not full time jobs living off them. I can find a million sites with same casinos and links, only sites like this stand out from the crowd.

 

[dunover]

Too much focus on Affiliates, how about how the casino treats the players? That should be the core issue here, not how about Affiliates make a living off people losing.

How ridiculous - CASINOS make a living off of players losing. Far more than affiliates ever will.

I suggest you read and understand the thread before making snide remarks about affiliates - let me explain, in case you have difficulty in grasping it, why the focus is on affiliates:

Firstly, there is proven theft from affiliates, as yet not from players but no doubt that will follow, especially when somebody tries to cash a big win out. Ask Bryan, money is being stolen by reassigning or detagging players.

Secondly, players are already signed up there and may well get ripped off - so what's the logical thing to do, to stop this scam expanding? Contact all decent and honest affiliates and get them to immediately withdraw any links to the rogue shitbags and criminals that now run the craphouse. This greatly reduces the chances of any new players being drawn into the CWG cesspit and fucked over.

Lastly the whole craphouse has been taken over in operation by a very rogue affiliate group that have made money by defrauding Netent, players and every other twat unwise enough to be associated with them and the vomit and filth they peddle to the unwary.

So it's CM (also an affiliate site) who has investigated these scum, informed other webmeisters (and anybody else who will listen) of their bilious tricks in order to propagate removal of their links to prevent players in future from being scammed.

These 'greedy' affiliates have spent their time reworking their sites in order to achieve removal of links and have probably sacrificed the little bit they (may) have been paid by doing so.

So these glib comments aren't very welcome, especially from somebody who clearly hasn't a clue how hard and stressful the affy has it sometimes.

P.S. I just noticed another stupid comment:

"..all it requires is a few words and images and good SEO skills and basic web design skills and knowledge..."

So in one bad sentence you've listed 5 skills of which the average joe will have 1. SEO skills along with detailed knowledge of the industry and slots probably very few have. Yet you've managed to trivialize it and belittle it all in one line. As if anybody can do it. Which is why everybody does it eh?

I don't know what your issue is with affiliates - envy? Resentment because you've lost too much gambling? Whichever, you are starting to sound spiteful and are getting close to flaming here. Listen to Greedygirl, she grasped the point immediately. Take note.

 

[Tirilej]

Well I disagree, the two are totally separate. I have worked with companies before, running ads and at times they have pulled and not paid me what i owe. But it does not relate at all to the players not being paid. Affiliates trying to force their view point will no doubt win on here given half the forum is running their own.

But it won't wash with me. Until the players are screwed then the affiliates complaining about not being paid is a totally different point.

So you're saying that Bryan are wrong who Rogue them even though they have stolen affiliate earnings from both him and other affiliates?
You are aware that this forum are run by affiliate money aren't you?

I can't believe what I'm reading. I would never play at a company that have treated people like they have done.
I would never play at a place that are working with Affpower who thought it was fine using fake games.
I'm not an affiliate but I believe in justice for everyone!

Edit: dunovers was posting a bit stronger words while I was typing...

 

[nutnut]

Dunover you won't change my opinion, I know the effort that goes into making a site for sign ups, and it does not require the effort that is made out by some. As I also stated it should be a hobby for 99% and full time for 1%.

As for envying them? Ridiculous comment, i ran several websites for years and turned over large sums of money from ad revenue, and one thing I was offered was sign up betting site accounts, I refused them as I felt morally they are wrong and greedy. If i wanted a affaliate site I can knock one up tonight, so no envy is not the word, nor do I have a gambling problem as suggested too.

Personally I'm sick to back teeth of these sites, streamers and YT accounts spamming sign up links. Thats just my opinion. Before this gets into a slanging match this will be my last comment.

 

[greedygirl]

Well I disagree, the two are totally separate. I have worked with companies before, running ads and at times they have pulled and not paid me what i owe. But it does not relate at all to the players not being paid. Affiliates trying to force their view point will no doubt win on here given half the forum is running their own.

But it won't wash with me. Until the players are screwed then the affiliates complaining about not being paid is a totally different point.

This is so offensive on so many levels.

If I'm to understand this, it's ok with you for affiliates to not just go unpaid, but to receive falsified information on what is truly due to us. So long as the players are being treated well???

In other words, if I steal from your mother, it's ok if I treat you nicely? What a load...

I'll be celebrating 17 years in this industry next month. I learned in the earliest months that more important than any casino...more important than whatever website you may operate...players come FIRST. Without players, you have no income. I've also learned early on (and this is through the school of hard-knocks) that once a casino dives into a purposeful road of theft and deception towards its advertising partners, players will be next to suffer. The situation we're discussing is not just some unfair change in terms radically affecting future income. No. This is manipulation of tags and numbers. The number of players tags in question run into the thousands. While other webmasters have privately shared with me stories similar to my own, I'm not going to speak on their behalf. I will say however, in the case of GoneGambling we will lose nearly 40% of our income as a result. It's going to be incredibly difficult for me to make ends meet as a result. But in your mind, that's ok--I should continue to promote them...pat them on the back for a job well done, because FOR THE MOMENT they're treating players well.

Not gonna happen.

I've spent the past decade busting my ass to make sure players are treated fairly. I've successfully negotiated literally millions of dollars in claims by players owed by countless casinos. And now I'm essentially being told by some forum poster that I'm not worried about players.

What a bunch of crap.

 

[Dinahnana]

This is not true at all, once you have the links for sign ups all it requires is a few words and images and good SEO skills and basic web design skills and knowledge, affiliate sites should be hobbies not full time jobs living off them. I can find a million sites with same casinos and links, only sites like this stand out from the crowd.

You may be right Nutnut but as far as I know you need more than a few words. You need to have articles of substance inputted on a regular basis in order to keep your site relevant within the Google search engine and that takes both ingenuity and work. This is part of the SEO skill set. It is a very competitive market out there with many talented people so you would have to be on top of your game in order to keep alive. You cant employ black hat SEO techniques because that is not only unethical in my opinion but if you get caught by Google your site will be booted posthaste. Please any webbies reading this post correct this if I am wrong.

You also need to make sure you keep updating your link info to reflect the changing bonuses, t's and c's etc because if you have outdated info on there and people sign up without knowing your gonna have some pissed off player.

So I guess each part of being a good affiliate may seem easy and little work on the surface but to put all the moving parts together in order to make your site one of the better ones takes work and you have to stay on top of things. Again I am not an affiliate but I am pretty much well versed in what it takes to make a site good. Just take a look at Dunpvers site for one and off the top of my head. This is an excellent site has good content and looks like he puts alot of thought and work into it and it shows.

P.S. If as others have already clearly stated in this thread a casino rips off their affiliates then the players will most certainly be next. So any affiliate that is aware of this situation but continues to promote CWC until it starts ripping off their players is as rogue as the casino itself.

 

[LHofsdal]

How ridiculous - CASINOS make a living off of players losing. Far more than affiliates ever will.

I suggest you read and understand the thread before making snide remarks about affiliates - let me explain, in case you have difficulty in grasping it, why the focus is on affiliates:

Firstly, there is proven theft from affiliates, as yet not from players but no doubt that will follow, especially when somebody tries to cash a big win out. Ask Bryan, money is being stolen by reassigning or detagging players.

Secondly, players are already signed up there and may well get ripped off - so what's the logical thing to do, to stop this scam expanding? Contact all decent and honest affiliates and get them to immediately withdraw any links to the rogue shitbags and criminals that now run the craphouse. This greatly reduces the chances of any new players being drawn into the CWG cesspit and fucked over.

Lastly the whole craphouse has been taken over in operation by a very rogue affiliate group that have made money by defrauding Netent, players and every other twat unwise enough to be associated with them and the vomit and filth they peddle to the unwary.

So it's CM (also an affiliate site) who has investigated these scum, informed other webmeisters (and anybody else who will listen) of their bilious tricks in order to propagate removal of their links to prevent players in future from being scammed.

These 'greedy' affiliates have spent their time reworking their sites in order to achieve removal of links and have probably sacrificed the little bit they (may) have been paid by doing so.

So these glib comments aren't very welcome, especially from somebody who clearly hasn't a clue how hard and stressful the affy has it sometimes.

P.S. I just noticed another stupid comment:

"..all it requires is a few words and images and good SEO skills and basic web design skills and knowledge..."

So in one bad sentence you've listed 5 skills of which the average joe will have 1. SEO skills along with detailed knowledge of the industry and slots probably very few have. Yet you've managed to trivialize it and belittle it all in one line. As if anybody can do it. Which is why everybody does it eh?

I don't know what your issue is with affiliates - envy? Resentment because you've lost too much gambling? Whichever, you are starting to sound spiteful and are getting close to flaming here. Listen to Greedygirl, she grasped the point immediately. Take note.

The bolded part is 100% spot on! And not to make myself sound like an idiot, I knew NOTHING how affiliates make money until I read Bryans article. Now this is just my opinion, but if you could screw over the ones that are taking the time to make your bottom line grow, it is only a matter of time before you screw over everyone else.

I really am thankful for people like Greedygirl and everyone that runs a player advocate site. Because they are all about PROTECTING the player!

So you're saying that Bryan are wrong who Rogue them even though they have stolen affiliate earnings from both him and other affiliates?
You are aware that this forum are run by affiliate money aren't you?

I can't believe what I'm reading. I would never play at a company that have treated people like they have done.
I would never play at a place that are working with Affpower who thought it was fine using fake games.
I'm not an affiliate but I believe in justice for everyone!

Edit: dunovers was posting a bit stronger words while I was typing...

Sara-it is not just you! It is the same for anyone with morals. To patronize an establishment that everyone knows has wronged many people, is beyond my belief.

What I do find truly amazing is the number of players and affiliates that are joining together to get the word out. Without sites like this one and all other player advocate sites players have no clue what kind of site they are dealing with.


LH

 

[dunover]

Dunover you won't change my opinion, I know the effort that goes into making a site for sign ups, and it does not require the effort that is made out by some. As I also stated it should be a hobby for 99% and full time for 1%.

As for envying them? Ridiculous comment, i ran several websites for years and turned over large sums of money from ad revenue, and one thing I was offered was sign up betting site accounts, I refused them as I felt morally they are wrong and greedy. If i wanted a affaliate site I can knock one up tonight, so no envy is not the word, nor do I have a gambling problem as suggested too.

Personally I'm sick to back teeth of these sites, streamers and YT accounts spamming sign up links. Thats just my opinion. Before this gets into a slanging match this will be my last comment.

You are naïve. 'Knocking one up' is about 10% of the overall enterprise. With a comment like that I find it hard to believe your other claims above.

Doesn't require effort? I laughed when I read that, I hope Simmo! reads it! Have you any idea of the vast amount of info some networks collate: images, reviews, csv data entries constantly being maintained and improved for the back-end all on a daily basis? The changing of promotional links on a daily basis, the analysis of new games and uploading it all? Adding daily blog updates, chasing up commission overdue and conversing with various affiliate managers?

You may have put minimal effort into your enterprises, but I can assure you there are many casino affiliates that do the opposite.

 

[Dave]

What a sad state of affairs.

For over a decade, this group went from strength to strength with the previous owner at the helm. Players were paid, affiliates were paid, and I trusted them.

I hoped that the new management might be able to succeed with help from the existing staff, but clearly that isn't going to happen. Martyn and Karolina put in their notice without having new jobs lined up -- that speaks volumes.

Stealing from Ted's widow and children was the final straw for me, though. That's just sick. How can they sleep at night?

I spent this evening taking down all of their reviews and special jackpot pages (they had a quite a few local progressive jackpots). I am still collecting data behind the scenes, for now, just in case there is some miracle scenario where the previous owner is able to regain control of the company and right the ship.

 

[Nightfly]

I really can't elaborate on what has already been said. Truly a big blow to RTG and players here in the States. I hope they realize they only hurt themselves.

 

[slotmaster]

I think the writing was on the wall that Club World Group was heading for Rogue Town when they removed Neteller and Skrill from their cashier system. This to me is a bad sign since Jackpot Capital Group still has them. Also when they were bought by a shady outfit I knew this was going to happen. So now we are left with a handful of decent RTG casinos. RTG is not coming out of this in a good way in my opinion since as it stands the vast majority of the casinos operating on their software are rogues. This is not good.

I think if RTG wants to stay alive maybe they ought to license their games in Europe to multi platform casinos so that we in Europe can enjoy playing the games without worrying about situations like this happening. I am not sure it can be done but if Videoslots has Rival then why not some RTG games? Just a thought.

If the whole debacle with Purple Lounge casino taught me is that nothing is certain in the online casino industry and casinos can go from being excellent to rogue in a very fast and spectacular fashion. I am saddened by what has happened with CWC group as they were the best RTG casinos out there.

I am sure their great people Martyn and Karolina will not have any problem finding new employment as they have publicly proven that they can do a top notch job and that I think are qualities that any good outfit are looking for so I wish them all the work and thank them for their years of service.

Very dark days indeed and I am truly pissed that their affiliate program has shafted their affiliates since it's mostly the affiliates that bring the customers in and a casino cannot survive without them. I am not an affiliate but I think that job is a very difficult one at the best of times. They put so much work into their sites and sometimes the rewards are small and sometimes big so when a major affiliate program goes rogue and screws them out of their hard earned money it really gets my goat.

I was actually going to ask videoslots for some time now what about real time gaming slots, I think the random jackpots and the low rtp and bad rep may not fit videoslots style though I would love videoslots to get them.

 

[The Dude]

Too much focus on Affiliates, how about how the casino treats the players? That should be the core issue here, not how about Affiliates make a living off people losing.

I am a firm believer that when running a company, your ethics are reflected throughout. What the casino operators are doing is fraud - it doesn't matter what flavor it is - fraud is fraud. And this is not a minor version of it (like not paying the pizza delivery guy), but possible 10s of thousands of dollars - maybe even reaching 100,000s - only a proper audit would be able to figure this out.

But a company that is willing to cheat its marketers, people who they more or less consider business partners, is the same type of company that will delay and stall payments so that you play your winnings back. It's cheating - and it doesn't matter what part of the office it's coming from. A cheat is a cheat.

 

[sapit222]

I was actually going to ask videoslots for some time now what about real time gaming slots, I think the random jackpots and the low rtp and bad rep may not fit videoslots style though I would love videoslots to get them.

RTG at Videoslots or some other good casino would be great.

 

[jetset]

I see that the Affiliate Edge site is still displaying both GPWA and Casinomeister award signage?

I have not been successful in giving them the right of reply to a story on this issue that we are preparing.

 

[dunover]

From the research I've done, the road seems to lead to Israel via Cyprus - surprise surprise.

 

[Dinahnana]

I was actually going to ask videoslots for some time now what about real time gaming slots, I think the random jackpots and the low rtp and bad rep may not fit videoslots style though I would love videoslots to get them.

I am by no means a slot expert but I am an avid slots player. RTG would have two choices to go if they wanted to market to multi-platform casinos.1. keep the random jackpots which I can't see why it cannot be done or 2. Get rid of the random jackpots and thereby upping the RTP of the games. I think RTG is being kept financially viable by all the rogue outfits that they supply to but if they were to go down the multi-platform route I think that is a more viable business option for them in the future in todays online gambling market. All this is just my opinion and suppositions but hey who knows it could work!

 

[Webzcas]

I see that the Affiliate Edge site is still displaying both GPWA and Casinomeister award signage?

I have not been successful in giving them the right of reply to a story on this issue that we are preparing.

Bryan the Casinomeister logo on Affiliate Edge is currently linking to their 2015 award page here https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2015/best-affiliate-program-2015/

You might want to 301 that to their new Rogue Page

 

[Dinahnana]

I am a firm believer that when running a company, your ethics are reflected throughout. What the casino operators are doing is fraud - it doesn't matter what flavor it is - fraud is fraud. And this is not a minor version of it (like not paying the pizza delivery guy), but possible 10s of thousands of dollars - maybe even reaching 100,000s - only a proper audit would be able to figure this out.

But a company that is willing to cheat its marketers, people who they more or less consider business partners, is the same type of company that will delay and stall payments so that you play your winnings back. It's cheating - and it doesn't matter what part of the office it's coming from. A cheat is a cheat.

Spot on post Bryan as usual and of course correct. A company that is willing to cheat their partners out of income which is bound to give them negative press will have no compunction to cheat out their players. When players start getting screwed around you can bet there will be more negative posts regarding this and to those players that have been following this debacle but continue to deposit at CWC and end up getting shafted deserve it as far as I am concerned because the writing is on the wall. It may be a harsh observation on my part but it's how I feel.

 

[maxd]

Well I disagree, the two are totally separate. ... But it does not relate at all to the players not being paid. ...

In other words you are relying on the kindness of cheats, liars and thieves and you're recommending that others should too. I sincerely hope that anyone who reads your words takes a moment to deeply and seriously reflect on what you are actually saying. Turning a blind eye on a criminal today is inviting him into your life tomorrow.

... all it requires is a few words and images and good SEO skills and basic web design skills and knowledge ...

As Dunover said, maybe that applies to sites you've worked on, or the times you worked on them, but that description you gave means almost nothing in this day and age. Small affiliates are dropping like flies these days and even those who've been in the game for a decade or more are being seriously challenged to keep their heads above water. If you think it's so trivial I encourage you to give it a try because it won't be long before you'll know what BS that truly is. Not trying to be offensive here, just saying that you are so barking up the wrong tree that it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

[dunover]

'affpower scam' is certainly pretty universal in Google now, the tossers from Tel Aviv will no doubt be renaming themselves shortly....

Which brings me to the question of WHY is Ask Grumblers the only mainstream site NOT to tell the truth about these c***s?

 

[Webzcas]

I prefer this one

 

[dunover]

LOL..... I quite like this one myself....

 

[BMWSTACK]

I made a previous statement that "based upon CW history of paying I would give them the benefit of the doubt."

I now retract that statement. Karolina would also make sure payment was quick, obviously since she is gone I have no faith. Also the other ongoing issues ad fuel, and now it also seems that CW will be staying away from CM, they have not logged on since 3/6.

Such a shame, but the great news is, I will save money

 

[Dinahnana]

'affpower scam' is certainly pretty universal in Google now, the tossers from Tel Aviv will no doubt be renaming themselves shortly....

Which brings me to the question of WHY is Ask Grumblers the only mainstream site NOT to tell the truth about these c***s?

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As a player I really don't trust Ask "Grumbers" as they give rather high ratings to some really shitty casinos. I postulate that they could be getting kickbacks from the shady outfits in order to get good reviews. I could be wrong and apologize if that is the case but really why else would they promote these guys in a positive manner?

 

[Webzcas]

Hopefully the GPWA will do the right thing and remove AE from their list of 'sponsored partners'. I expect Andy and AGD will no doubt take action over the coming days.

 

[Dinahnana]

I sent an e-mail to them requesting closure of all my Club World accounts and this is the response I got back and down at the end of the e-mail they have the utter cheek to list Casinomeister on the e-mail given that it's not the same company it was when it won those awards. I sent an e-mail back pointing out that they do not have the same team since karolina and Martyn are gone and if they shafted their affiliates then they will do so to the customers.

 

[Webzcas]

Confusion!!!??? Jeez. Unreal.

 

[dunover]

I sent an e-mail to them requesting closure of all my Club World accounts and this is the response I got back and down at the end of the e-mail they have the utter cheek to list Casinomeister on the e-mail given that it's not the same company it was when it won those awards. I sent an e-mail back pointing out that they do not have the same team since karolina and Martyn are gone and if they shafted their affiliates then they will do so to the customers.

What tossers.

Bullshitting about the same CS lot.
Bullshitting with CM awards still displayed.
Bullshitting about players being paid quickly.

No mention of detagging naturally.

 

[slotmaster]

It's mind blowing how companies hate money nowadays. Would you not as a new owner of this casino come here and get off on the right foot and have instant customers?

 

[Dinahnana]

What tossers.

Bullshitting about the same CS lot.
Bullshitting with CM awards still displayed.
Bullshitting about players being paid quickly.

No mention of detagging naturally.

I know but only players who are clearly aware of this whole debacle will know this so might fall for this bs e-mail when requesting account closures. Anyway I am waiting for the confirmation that my accounts have now been closed. At any rate I won't be playing there again even if the fix these major issues which we all know they won't. The trust is gone especially since they outright lied in the e-mail.

 

[Dinahnana]

It's mind blowing how companies hate money nowadays. Would you not as a new owner of this casino come here and get off on the right foot and have instant customers?

The new owners are cowboys and have no idea how to run a successful online casino as Bryan stated before. They will probably adopt the same practices as Ace Revenue Group and other rogues and just rely on newbies and never pay out. I bet by now they would be afraid to come here but if they approached Bryan and others with a true desire to set things right then they would be treated well on here.

Don't forget they still probably have thousands of customers who have no idea about the change of ownership since they didn't tell us so those poor people will get shafted in the future.

 

[colinsunderland]

Dunover you won't change my opinion, I know the effort that goes into making a site for sign ups, and it does not require the effort that is made out by some. As I also stated it should be a hobby for 99% and full time for 1%.

As for envying them? Ridiculous comment, i ran several websites for years and turned over large sums of money from ad revenue, and one thing I was offered was sign up betting site accounts, I refused them as I felt morally they are wrong and greedy. If i wanted a affaliate site I can knock one up tonight, so no envy is not the word, nor do I have a gambling problem as suggested too.

Personally I'm sick to back teeth of these sites, streamers and YT accounts spamming sign up links. Thats just my opinion. Before this gets into a slanging match this will be my last comment.

So can anyone, lets see you get it ranking on the first 3 pages of google for search terms such as casino, casino sign up bonus, top casinos etc. Come back in 5 years and tell us how you have just managed to get on page 10, as I guarantee you won't get there in a few weeks like you seem to think. Super affiliates get the majority of sign ups, and that costs them a lot of money.

Even when you are there there is a world of difference between getting visitors, sign ups and more importantly, FTD's. I rank on the first page of google for some popular search terms (not casino, but still gambling) and struggle to get many FTD's.

As for it only being affiliates who have been ripped off, so what? If they are happy to steal from the people who make the business successful then they will have no problems not paying a player, in fact theres already one person on this thread saying he's being fucked about.

Your posts on here are wildly inaccurate.

 

[Pulver]

If someone has shown they are willing to steal from someone, how could you ever trust them again? If they don't steal from you today, they very well could be tomorrow.

 

[Deeplay]

This is not true at all, once you have the links for sign ups all it requires is a few words and images and good SEO skills and basic web design skills and knowledge, affiliate sites should be hobbies not full time jobs living off them. I can find a million sites with same casinos and links, only sites like this stand out from the crowd.

Truly one of the most ignorant statements I have read in a long time. It reminds how people used to talk back in the 00s building the "html only" geo city sites. Wed design skills ... and knowledge ? shows how little you know.

Why should affiliate sites be hobbies ? is there something you are jealous of ? I know and have worked with 100s of affiliates (none casino) who not only make a living but make 1000s month in month out and some who make 10s of 1000s month in month out. I recall working with affiliates who had your very own idea, buy a domain , bang up some pics and links, do some out of the box SEO and they think the money will roll. They didn't last 6 months. But those who truly did know the skill and programming needed to monetize a web page/site ... well different story.

You sir are speaking BS ..!

 

[cpdnd31]

Lets keep this thread on top-- stealing from a widow - its still upsetting me

 

[jetset]

By now the word about these people must be out in the affiliate sector, yet it seems to me that more webmasters could be dropping links, carrying this story on their sites or commenting on it on their forums than has been the case so far?

Am I missing something?

 

[KasinoKing]

By now the word about these people must be out in the affiliate sector, yet it seems to me that more webmasters could be dropping links, carrying this story on their sites or commenting on it on their forums than has been the case so far?

Am I missing something?

Playing Devil's advocate (these are genuine questions to which I honestly do not know the answers):
How about 100% irrefutable EVIDENCE that there has been de-tagging of players?
I know there are strong suspicions - but do we have any actual proof yet?
And have CWG stopped paying their players or affiliates?

Believe me - I removed all banners & links from my sites the moment the AffPower connection was revealed, but other webmasters may want to see the fire, not just the smoke...

KK

 

[CL-Ed]

Hi jetset. We just posted this today.

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Reading through the lengthy judgements on the case took a long time over the weekend but I wanted us to be able to explain some of the background behind it. No-one involved in the dispute is smelling of roses.

KasinoKing if you want proof, go have a look in the private members forum for AffiliateEdge on the GPWA. Some nice screenshots there.

 

[Webzcas]

By now the word about these people must be out in the affiliate sector, yet it seems to me that more webmasters could be dropping links, carrying this story on their sites or commenting on it on their forums than has been the case so far?

Am I missing something?

It is being discussed on both AGD and also GPWA. I am sure Andy and AGD will take action as a result. With regards GPWA, well we will see.

Several affiliates such as CL-Ed have run with the story on their sites and also removed and dropped the AE links. As have I here Old / Expired Link .

 

[dunover]

Let me explain the modus operandi of Affpower and other Israeli casino scams and their dodgy business ethics:

It's basically a confidence trick which has almost an insurance-based mechanism. You join their casinos, withdraw less than you've lost or make a small profit, they'll likely pay you - eventually. This is the case with say 90% of their players.

On the affiliate side, the same will apply. The majority of sign-ups will accrue little revenue, be smaller depositors and yes, it's likely they will pay too, eventually.

So you begin to trust them and maintain you affiliate account or player account.

Once you either win big, or get a whale playing through your affy account, the bullshit will begin in earnest. The big winner will not be paid, fobbed-off endlessly with excuses. Same with the affy, the big player will be detagged, or you won't be paid your sizeable commission. So unlike a reputable group, they use fraud to insure against any liabilities of significance to both players and affiliates. As I said, a confidence trick and insurance scam.

The result may be scandals like we see here, but they happily take this flak knowing that there will still be players and affiliates (the smaller liabilities) in high numbers. They continue to serve these, all the while sifting the treasure from the turds, the treasure being a large depositor or affiliate commission which they won't pay. So they stop promoting, or stop playing in protest. No problem! The next one will appear soon and so-on.

So why take the risk in playing there, or promoting their shite?

 

[jetset]

It is being discussed on both AGD and also GPWA. I am sure Andy and AGD will take action as a result. With regards GPWA, well we will see.

Several affiliates such as CL-Ed have run with the story on their sites and also removed and dropped the AE links. As have I here Old / Expired Link .

Perhaps more momentum will build, then...but at least this issue is showing up on Google searches, which is a positive step from the player and affiliate safety perspective.

 

[greedygirl]

By now the word about these people must be out in the affiliate sector, yet it seems to me that more webmasters could be dropping links, carrying this story on their sites or commenting on it on their forums than has been the case so far?

Am I missing something?

Brian--I've written an Old / Expired Link, as well as sent off an email to the membership.

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Email from Affiliate Edge Management to affiliates

From: Affiliate Edge Management [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 1:11 PM
Subject: Announcement to Affiliates

Since November 2016, the company has undergone a rapid transformation due to the following factors:-

1. After over 2 years of intense litigation between the directors of the business the existing CEO resigned without notice throwing the business into turmoil. The CEO was found to be in breach of his fiduciary duties, branded a liar and dishonest by a High Court Judge.

2. His plan was to inflict maximum damage on the business in the shortest time in order for the other 2 Directors to call him back into the business to sort the problems out.

3. Senior staff handed in their notice, the finance director walked out within a week. The accounts manager left before Xmas. The CTO actually undermined the business by sending an extremely harmful email to our software supplier. He actually said the only way this business will survive is to bring back the CEO. In the short time the CTO was there, he encouraged staff underneath him to look for other jobs because he said the company won't be around in the new year.

4. Payment Processors held back payments to the business for weeks and in some cases months, starving the company of cash.

5. Forums started to spread malicious gossip about what was going on in the business.

6. Valuable bank accounts were shut with very little notice causing many difficulties which have led to a lot of payment problems.

All the above problems were deliberately staged to cause maximum damage to the business.

However, the existing Directors brought in a team of consultants to save the business from disaster in early December. Their role was not to disrupt the daily running of the business but to help maintain staff confidence. Their primary aim was to get the payment processors functioning. I am pleased to report that they are now functioning as normal. Marketing was left alone. Affiliates could have lost millions in revenue if it wasn't for the action of the consultants.

Disappointingly, most of the senior staff have now left. Their positions have now been filled by juniors who have stepped up and are doing an excellent job.

1. The business is now flourishing and has had excellent results over the past 3 months.

2. Affiliates are now being paid earlier than ever in the company's history and will continue to do so.

3. The existing staff are loyal and are more confident than ever that their future is secure.

4. A handful of affiliates have asked about issues, some of them being payment issues due to closure of accounts. Other issues have been inherited and will be resolved.

There are positive plans for the future which is looking very rosy and we hope to share them with our partners asap. This company will be around for many years and will continue to grow and all our partners will prosper from the changes that will be implemented. We intend to speak to all our affiliates on an individual basis in the near future.

The Executive of CWC

 

[incrediblestuff]

Hi jetset. We just posted this today.

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Reading through the lengthy judgements on the case took a long time over the weekend but I wanted us to be able to explain some of the background behind it. No-one involved in the dispute is smelling of roses.

KasinoKing if you want proof, go have a look in the private members forum for AffiliateEdge on the GPWA. Some nice screenshots there.

Not trying to single you out here, but i followed the link you posted, and after reading the very well written article, happened to notice your links to the Casino's in question, are still active..

Perhaps an oversight?

 

[Webzcas]

2. Affiliates are now being paid earlier than ever in the company's history and will continue to do so.

Well this is a lie. I received my January commission on the last working day of February. I also know if many affiliates that had still yet to of been paid at the start of March.

Plus your consultants are criminals.

 

[colinsunderland]

However, the existing Directors brought in a team of consultants to save the business from disaster in early December. Their role was not to disrupt the daily running of the business but to help maintain staff confidence. Their primary aim was to get the payment processors functioning. I am pleased to report that they are now functioning as normal. Marketing was left alone. Affiliates could have lost millions in revenue if it wasn't for the action of the consultants.

Considering there is proof players have been detagged, I would say affiliates HAVE lost millions in revenue because of the fraudulent actions of the affiliate program.

 

[Webzcas]

Seems everyone has received this mail. It is really nice of the Executive of CWC to put a name to his email, not! Anyhow here is my response I have sent back via email.

Nicely worded email. But you are missing out some important facts, such as the wilful detagging of players from affiliate accounts and the identity of your ‘consultants’.

Here let me help you: Old / Expired Link

You’re Welcome!