Censorship and the "Mob" Mentality

[kakata]

I think what Jetset means is that there's sensitive - and then there's OVERsensitive. Like your pinky toe, it's a sensitive area and it hurts when you bang it on the f***ing coffee table. But after you've broken it off and it's hanging by a flap of skin and swollen the size of a watermelon and then someone steps on it, then it's OVERsensitive.

There's some history between some of the folks here that seems to flare up occasionally. Like a spark in a keg of dynamite, sometimes it doesn't take much to have the whole thing explode all over again.

...... and especially if the person who stepped on it, is ....OVERweight

 

[jod5413]

I respectfully disagree.

I think these posters do NOT respect Bryan's forum - they do not respect ANYONE who does NOT do things "THEIR" way... They are horrible ingrates who have decided to CRASH A PARTY.

It's like inviting them to a nice BallRoom dance...

And instead - they come in ratty clothes - DRUNK - acting obnoxious and puking all over the Host's shoes --- then smearing feces on the walls - with HATRED.

I'm sorry - there is NO respect in that type of behavior.

OPINIONS can vary and differ - there is no call for the PUNK ASS attitude that has taken this board by storm.

OH - and be QUITE sure that I am NOT telling Bryan how to run his board.

I am saying quite bluntly - this place is starting to be a cesspool.

And I have enough respect for BRYAN to say so - before EVERYONE leaves... Except for the few that are acting like immature abusive punks.

If anyone involved has ANY respect for Bryan they WILL clean up their act.

I don't care who you are - You are absolutely STUPID if you think other people aren't noticing this behavior here and NOT commenting on it other places.

People are staying away...

People are coming out of the woodwork to make posts about it.

Come on - open your eyes.

I have enough respect for Bryan to say something - because I DO wish to stay here... I've been here a LONG time and have always felt I had something to offer this place - as well as learn from this place.

But I'm NOT staying long if it's like this..

What VALUE does it have for me if it stays like this?

What value does it have for ANYONE if it stays like this.

Bryan already made a post on the issue in the thread - and those involved just continued on - like it didn't matter what Bryan said - they were gonna do what they wanted to do --- And they are gonna get away with it.

Well - for one - I'm totally SICK of it.

I hate coming here these days cause there is NOTHING but anger and hatred stewing here.

And I'm not the only one.

I'm just the only person willing to admit it - and feels some sense of duty to bring it up in hopes --- HOPES --- that people can change --- that they can step back and say --- oh my gosh... she's right...

We don't have to agree with everyone --- we don't have to even like others...

BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE --- WE REALLY SHOULD BE FREAKING CIVIL.

Really?

Go back and read the Marty thread..

Go read the thread a brand new affiliate posted here...

This place lately has been nothing except a lot of attacks.

If you want to candy coat it - go ahead...

And I'm not going to do your work for you - YOU GO OUT AND LOOK...

And if you don't find anything - LOOK harder.

It won't be that difficult - I am sure.

My point is the incidences are NOT far and few between.

They are DAILY.

People are treated like scum here.

And most of them are NOT scum - just your average joe.

If you guys feel like you are 16 and your mother is yelling at you - then perhaps you ought to look at the REASONS your mother was yelling at you.

ONE: Because she passionately cares about you.
TWO: Because she is saddened by your actions.
THREE: Because she is trying to help out a situation that looks horrible.
FOUR: Because she doesn't want you to get hurt.
FIVE: Because she wants to teach you self respect.
SIX: Because she is trying to instill some justice and kindness in you.

And if you think that is an on the soapbox rant, then you might want to consider WHY I went off in the first place.

I mean - really - do YOU think the actions of a few around here are acceptable to the forum as a whole?

Do you think they are beneficial?

Do you think they haven't been harmful?

I mean - YOU do REALIZE this place is a business.... RIGHT?

Thank you very much for expressing your opinion - without making it personal and sharing your insight.

The only thing I want to say to you, is not that there is or was "heat", there were words that were blatant flaming, intimidation factors and rudeness.

No one should be treated like this.

We are in public - just because people can hide behind the anonymity of being online does not mean that it is OK to treat other people like crap.

I respect the rights of others to have opinions. I don't expect other people to agree with me... However, I do expect respect and expect to treat others with respect in ANY public surrounding.

Does that make sense?

I'm not saying people cannot have opinions - but where your RIGHTS cross my RIGHTS is when you cross the boundary of acceptable behavior.

You can tell me until you are blue in the face that you disagree with what I have to say - and that is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE - Until you cross that line with profanity, vulgar innuendos, intimidation and vicious behavior.

There is a distinct difference.

Aussie - there is NO agenda.

I want the RUDE VICIOUS FLAMING behavior to stop - because it is unjust, unfair and not called for.

There is NO agenda in wanting decency on a place that I frequent - now is there?

AND - point blank I did NOT backhand the other poster - I said: if you feel like this - then maybe there is a reason.

Look - I can be rude - I can tell people to stick it - and I'm much wordier than most people - so you can be sure that I can insult you PROFOUNDLY with my words if that is what I chose to do.

YOU WILL KNOW if I CHOOSE TO INSULT YOU.

I have yet to treat anyone like I have recently witnessed people treating others.

You may not like me or my posting style - that's fine - but show me --- PROVE TO ME -- one place where I've called anyone names like this group has been Dave.

You're usually levelheaded - but right now you blocked out a grouping of what I said - and turned it around and if that is what you TRULY believe then I'm surprised.

If you feel that the activity shown on Marty's thread was acceptable PUBLIC BEHAVIOR - then you aren't the kind of person that I thought you were.

I found it despicable

I don't care how much you dislike a casino or a group of people - while in a public forum you should remain CIVIL.

And those people were disgusting.

I was offended and completely in shock over the matter.

I'm sorry - guys - you have overstepped what I believe are acceptable boundaries for ANY public forum...

It turned into a HATEFEST...

and if that is something YOU agree to I'd be shocked.

It's like watching a stoning take place - and you guys are cheering each other on.

It's SICK.

And Dave - If you're going to call me a hypocrite by saying I am calling people names - then you're kinda reading into things.

I'm not wagging my finger in someone's face.

I am stating my opinion of behavior that took place and again I will state it again - it was UNACCEPTABLE to me. It was unacceptable to others.

If you are taking this as a cut down - then it's your perception of it - and let me tell you - it is far different than MY perception of it.

I'm telling you that what I saw - what I observed was despicable - horrible and disgusting. I want NO part in it.

Tell me how that is name calling?

GO ON _ TELL ME HOW saying what I observed is name calling.

You can't come up with a simple:

OH MY GOSH - hey - yeah - we got out of line - dude - I'm sorry??

You can't come up with - yes, you're right this behavior was bad???

You can't bring yourself to even realize that what was done was NOT okay by a VERY long reach?

Instead you want to point a finger at me and turn it around?

GIVE ME A BREAK DAVE _ this isn't high school - this is a public forum where ADULTS are expected to act Civilly to one another.

Really?

Thank you for sharing what Bryan likes.

I happen to find it best to deal with the issue - instead of sweeping it under the carpet and letting it PRETEND to not be there.. Cause this is a HUGE elephant in the room.

And personally - the ONLY people who are coming in here complaining are the same ones.... Yep - YOU GOT it

Thanks Rocky - I'm not sure what you mean by this, but answer how this is "SELF SERVING"...

Someone else said I had an agenda...

Please take a moment and explain how you mean "SELF SERVING"

or what you mean by agenda...

Cause the only "AGENDA" I have here is to publicly announce that behavior I have witnessed has been HORRIBLE. And to say I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of people thinking it is OK to act like this on a public forum.

So - what is my agenda - and what is self serving about that?

I'm sorry rocky - I'm not getting what you're saying here.

You're saying that by telling others that their behavior is unacceptable in a public place I have a huge ego?

Is that correct?

I mean - if you walked past a bunch of punk kids kicking an old lady up against a wall - would you just walk by?

OK - now we all know I write a ton. Sorry - just me - it's not meant to be offensive - just the way I am.

Color codes and extreme caps? I don't get it - some people want me to post this way or that way...

Do you simply understand the point I am trying to make?

This is a public forum.
This Forum is a BUSINESS
PEOPLE should treat other PEOPLE with decency and civility.

How is that a super ego?

I post a lot - because that is what I do... But have I been vulgar or rude or vicious or hating on or to anyone? Have I cussed anyone out and told them to "F" off?

I'd really like to know how you equated my posting with EGO - because it took a lot of guts for me to stand up and say these things.

It took a lot of guts for me to finally get offended and extremely angry at the way people are being treated.

This should be a safe zone - where gamblers and casinos can come together and work things out.

Or discuss things in a calm - constructive manner.

Not one where we are screaming for people to die or do horrible things.

So - please tell me how that is an EGO?

I don't undertand...

I appreciate your thoughts on this.

The only point I have been trying to make is that if people don't start speaking up - and just go with the flow... Eventually ALL of us will end up kicking that old lady up against the wall - and then high fiving ourselves after that.

And I don't want to be like that. I don't want to see it.

And no one else is speaking up anymore. They've already been bashed and they didn't like it.

I don't want to go away - but I don't think I'm asking for too much by asking for civility to happen.

The typical mosh pit is fine - but these actions were beyond that.

I just wanted to say thank you for your post tho - it was well written and very well intentioned - and I appreciate you taking the time to write it out.

Uhm - you're confusing the issue of me responding to each person's post in a thread or discussion.

Big difference.

The way you posted it makes it look like someone is being rude.

I'm not.

I've started the thread - I'm responding to each persons' post - just like EVERY good host should.

And when did this become an issue of post wars or something?

I mean ---- is there a posting limit stipulated somewhere? Is there an unwritten description of how people should behave?

Because I didn't realize having a decent conversation with people was considered egotistical and rude --- and required a break or someone telling me to turn off my computer.

How odd...

You can't be serious - right? You were trying to be funny right?

And I'm completely surprised at your comment of saying I am disrespecting other people's opinions.. SHOW ME --- Explain how ANYTHING I've said is disrespectful - and how it is so.

But MAKE SURE - you take the thread and the comments in their entirety - and not just chop them up for manipulative benefit.

I'm telling you, Bryan, Max and Simmo. I am not looking to be suspended or banned for trying to interact with this person, but.....

If you can not see how obnoxious and objectionable this poster is to the majority of Casinomeister members, then that's the ball game. She has berated, she has flamed, she has pretty much pissed off everyone of the active posters here.

So, what can we do? I hate using the ignore button, since it kills the continuity of a thread. She has flamed a number of members here that have a decent reputation, even I have a better rep than she does, I only go after the big bad folks, not the everyday folks.

I think it would be nice if someone would school her on proper behavior on a forum, that would surely offset the nastiness she has conveyed, such as working supposedly as an over the top moderator of this board. She seems to expect everyone to agree with her or to shut up. I would never be the way she seems to expect the members to be. So, what? I, or other members here, have to keep my thoughts to myself, to keep from generating a ten page rant by her?

 

[WagerWitch]

I'm telling you, Bryan, Max and Simmo. I am not looking to be suspended or banned for trying to interact with this person, but.....

If you can not see how obnoxious and objectionable this poster is to the majority of Casinomeister members, then that's the ball game. She has berated, she has flamed, she has pretty much pissed off everyone of the active posters here.

So, what can we do? I hate using the ignore button, since it kills the continuity of a thread. She has flamed a number of members here that have a decent reputation, even I have a better rep than she does, I only go after the big bad folks, not the everyday folks.

I think it would be nice if someone would school her on proper behavior on a forum, that would surely offset the nastiness she has conveyed, such as working supposedly as an over the top moderator of this board. She seems to expect everyone to agree with her or to shut up. I would never be the way she seems to expect the members to be. So, what? I, or other members here, have to keep my thoughts to myself, to keep from generating a ten page rant by her?

I'm responding to you because I think this is uncalled for and a PERSONAL attack on me.

You think I'm flaming because I REFUSE TO SIT idly by why people are treating others horribly?

You think acting like a HATER is OK?

I don't.

And I am willing to speak out on it.

REPUTATION has nothing to do with it... That's a "SNOTTY RICH GIRL or MEAN GIRL" comment.

Your post to me is instigating and is rude.

There is no posting limit - I can post as much as I like - as you can too.

But I treat you with respect.

EDIT:

The very fact that you took the time to copy paste and post all of my comments means that you are stalking me - and using the forum as a vendetta market - sorry - but that is the truth.

Forum etiquette does not mean that it is proper to use Hatred and Violence to incite action.
We are Adults - and if you have a problem with me - ignore me - because obviously you can't deal with my posting because YOU BELIEVE it applies to you.

I'm appalled by the action of this forum as a whole - I've observed it and I'm amazed that you think this is ok - "BECAUSE WE WERE HERE FIRST" attitude - or anything.

So WHAT if I type a lot - show me where I have been rude to you - or anyone - SHOW ME - where I have treated someone like you all treated Marty Davis.. Show me.

 

[chayton]

...... and especially if the person who stepped on it, is ....OVERweight

...are you calling me fat?

 

[Pinababy69]

I'm telling you, Bryan, Max and Simmo. I am not looking to be suspended or banned for trying to interact with this person, but.....

If you can not see how obnoxious and objectionable this poster is to the majority of Casinomeister members, then that's the ball game. She has berated, she has flamed, she has pretty much pissed off everyone of the active posters here.

So, what can we do? I hate using the ignore button, since it kills the continuity of a thread. She has flamed a number of members here that have a decent reputation, even I have a better rep than she does, I only go after the big bad folks, not the everyday folks.

I think it would be nice if someone would school her on proper behavior on a forum, that would surely offset the nastiness she has conveyed, such as working supposedly as an over the top moderator of this board. She seems to expect everyone to agree with her or to shut up. I would never be the way she seems to expect the members to be. So, what? I, or other members here, have to keep my thoughts to myself, to keep from generating a ten page rant by her?

Bravo!! And if Bryan, Max, Simmo or whoever doesn't like it...too bad. I'll take my suspension, banning, whatever...what's the point of being a member of a forum if you're going to have the censorship police aka WAGERWITCH, dissecting every word you say?

Thanks to a heads up from AussieDave, who tells me that he has asked his membership be deleted, I wouldn't have even known about the pages and pages of rant that have gone on here.

I won't ask my membership be deleted, not saying I won't post when the suspension or whatever is up...but before I go....WW, here's rude for ya. <snip>. That's rude. Anything else that has been said to you on this forum is far from rude. Perhaps you'd do better at Betty Crocker's Homemade Goodies forum? Or a knitting forum or something?

And just to clear up one previous misconception from a few weeks ago...I have no idea who you are, beyond that you went by the name of Meki at GG. You implied that I knew you, as you have implied that many here know you. I don't know who you are, nor do I want to. And when did Bryan name you forum moderator, and censor of what is acceptable and what isn't?

Ciao. I got better things to do with my time, and better people to spend it with.

EDIT:

10:29 PM WagerWitch Reporting a Post

Boo hoo....pooor widdle Wagerwitch, someone told her to go get <snipped>. At least NOW you have something legitimate to report, as opposed to the posts you've been snivelling about for two solid days now.

 

[WagerWitch]

Bravo!! And if Bryan, Max, Simmo or whoever doesn't like it...too bad. I'll take my suspension, banning, whatever...what's the point of being a member of a forum if you're going to have the censorship police aka WAGERWITCH, dissecting every word you say?

Thanks to a heads up from AussieDave, who tells me that he has asked his membership be deleted, I wouldn't have even known about the pages and pages of rant that have gone on here.

I won't ask my membership be deleted, not saying I won't post when the suspension or whatever is up...but before I go....WW, here's rude for ya. GO FUCK YOURSELF, you self-centred, egotistical, nutjob. That's rude. Anything else that has been said to you on this forum is far from rude. Perhaps you'd do better at Betty Crocker's Homemade Goodies forum? Or a knitting forum or something?

And just to clear up one previous misconception from a few weeks ago...I have no idea who you are, beyond that you went by the name of Meki at GG. You implied that I knew you, as you have implied that many here know you. I don't know who you are, nor do I want to.

Ciao. I got better things to do with my time, and better people to spend it with.

EDIT:
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10:29 PM WagerWitch Reporting a Post
Boo hoo....pooor widdle Wagerwitch, someone told her to go get fucked. At least NOW you have something legitimate to report, as opposed to the posts you've been snivelling about for two solid days now.

Wow.

Acceptable behavior - I'm sure.

I think the problem here is this: You guys DON'T LIKE being called on your actions. But when you gang up on so many people - and you've continued to do it - you've lost reality with the fact that your actions are NOT acceptable in a public setting.

I am part of the public here. Not for much longer if people are allowed to act like this continuously tho.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

This was kind of like reading The National Enquirer or watching a Soap that after 25 years you still have the same characters and they are still talking about the same things. Just because a post includes more words doesn't mean it is better. I figured this one would end the way the others have...by being shut down. Wager Witch...in the beginning I followed some of what you were trying to express.....after a few days and many, many more pages it has turned in to something not worth reading.

My advice...get a new hobby..this one doesn't seem like it's working out for you. And if people are jumping ship...I think it is because there are more important issues out there than who was snarky at who.

And yes, I'm using my ignore button from now on. This is ridiculous.

 

[LaurieJim]

Dave pm'ed me earlier today and it saddens me to see him leave and why he is leaving really upset me the most. Its a shame when you cant defend yourself in a thread and have your posts deleted but yet you have to skim over upteen pages of rants, whats fair about that?

Laurie

 

[WagerWitch]

Dave pm'ed me earlier today and it saddens me to see him leave and why he is leaving really upset me the most. Its a shame when you cant defend yourself in a thread and have your posts deleted but yet you have to skim over upteen pages of rants, whats fair about that?

Laurie

Darnit Laurie - Seriously - IT ISN"T DEFENDING yourself in treating someone else like crap.

So what if I write a lot - BIG DEAL - I'm still not treating others horribly.

 

[bb28]

EDIT:

The very fact that you took the time to copy paste and post all of my comments means that you are stalking me - and using the forum as a vendetta market - sorry - but that is the truth.

Just because you say it's the truth doesn't make it so WW, that's one thing you don't get. Stalking.............Seriously I laughed my ass off when I read that one.


Forum etiquette does not mean that it is proper to use Hatred and Violence to incite action.

Hatred and violence.....you gotta be kidding me.


We are Adults - and if you have a problem with me - ignore me - because obviously you can't deal with my posting because YOU BELIEVE it applies to you.

You are the one who needs to hit the ignore button.



I'm appalled by the action of this forum as a whole - I've observed it and I'm amazed that you think this is ok - "BECAUSE WE WERE HERE FIRST" attitude - or anything.

So WHAT if I type a lot - show me where I have been rude to you - or anyone - SHOW ME - where I have treated someone like you all treated Marty Davis.. Show me.

I don't recall either myself, nor Jod, nor Pina treating Marty badly. Get it right WW. There were TWO instances that went over the line and they were taken care of by CM....as it should be.

WW.......This is my opinion and I'm sure you are going to see it entirely different but oh well.
You got your feelings hurt in that other thread where we (You and me and the others that are supposedly part of the mob) went round and round and yes I do think you took a lot of things personal over there that weren't meant that way. You got angry and you got your feelings hurt and you are still carrying that around and you've projected it and spread it all over the forum in the last few days. You've not come out and named actual forum names, but it's obvious who you are referring to and you've done your share of name calling in these posts over and over again telling us what hateful evil people we are. You've ranted and raved on and on about being nice, fair and civil, but you aren't playing that way.

 

[WagerWitch]

I don't recall either myself, nor Jod, nor Pina treating Marty badly. Get it right WW. There were TWO instances that went over the line and they were taken care of by CM....as it should be.

WW.......This is my opinion and I'm sure you are going to see it entirely different but oh well.
You got your feelings hurt in that other thread where we (You and me and the others that are supposedly part of the mob) went round and round and yes I do think you took a lot of things personal over there that weren't meant that way. You got angry and you got your feelings hurt and you are still carrying that around and you've projected it and spread it all over the forum in the last few days. You've not come out and named actual forum names, but it's obvious who you are referring to and you've done your share of name calling in these posts over and over again telling us what hateful evil people we are. You've ranted and raved on and on about being nice, fair and civil, but you aren't playing that way.

You honestly don't think this is hatred? Or forum violence?

What happened with Marty - was BEYOND acceptable -the snide, the rude, the flaming - it was horrible.

And I cannot sit and watch it happen.

I've seen too many people get hurt this way - and someone HAS to say something - no one else has.

 

[Brooklyn]

Just my 2 cents, not that it matters, but you go on and on and on about it. Its like a broken record. I mean no disrespect, but your posts go a little overboard, and you are in fact name calling as well.

 

[bb28]

You honestly don't think this is hatred? Or forum violence?

What happened with Marty - was BEYOND acceptable -the snide, the rude, the flaming - it was horrible.

And I cannot sit and watch it happen.

I've seen too many people get hurt this way - and someone HAS to say something - no one else has.

Hatred or forum violence ....what the hell is forum violence anyway?

As it has been explained to you numerous times by numerous people.......when there is something posted about gambling wages because it's such a VOLATILE topic, there are going to be snide, rude, flaming remarks, it's a given. CM tried to nip in the bud........but it happened. It's not your place to stop it or keep it from happening.....it's NOT YOUR forum. The only thing you can choose to do is NOT be part of it. Why do you keep harping on it.......it's OVER.

WW......again I'm going to say it, you are taking your personal hurt and anger out on a few of us who pissed you off before and you are making it about everything it's not. You don't get it.........do you?

EDIT........WW, there is no reasoning with you, you go on and on, ranting and raving about the same old things with your self righteous viewpoint. As my daddy used to say......you'd argue with a stop sign.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Sorry I have to post this. WW this is not your fight. You are going to step back a little bit and let the moderators do their job. All your doing right now is upsetting yourself. Think about it all this stress your causing yourself is it worth it? You are doing more harm to yourself then to anybody else. I mean take a step back from your computer for a couple of hours. I know how caring you are but this is getting a little bit too much even for me.

 

[same_old]

Ive been away for the last week and have logged in here to find all this crap..

Wager you are a nice lady and I persoanlly dont have anything against you what so ever BUT, in saying that I think you need to let this all go.

I have seen 15 of your posts to say 9-10 of the geneal publics on your topic.

Unforutnately personalities are a hard one to pin point but one thing I can say is your views and values ( which are completely acceptable and in a lot of ways amicable) but you have to understand your views arent those of others or nor do other always think the same way you do.

I think this is getting to you way more than it should be and it's getting yourself not to mention the others upset, and it's not really that important ( to you yes but obviously not others).

I think you should take a week away from the place, go and visit family and or go fishing or something, get some of this tension off your shoulders.

 

[LaurieJim]

Darnit Laurie - Seriously - IT ISN"T DEFENDING yourself in treating someone else like crap.

So what if I write a lot - BIG DEAL - I'm still not treating others horribly.

I just give up WW, please reread Jetsets post, he always tells it like it is and plays no favorites on this forum, calls it like he see's it, a poster to be respected, if you cant grasp what he is saying then i just dont know what else to say,'cept i really do give up.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/

Laurie

 

[Mavin1]

I would like to just appologize to each and everyone that has participated in and been subjected to this thread. My intention was not to start a war. Obviously I have blundered just trying to make a stupid point of being considerate to one another and yes we all have a voice but let's not beat each other up with it.
But somewhere, because I was a bit passionate regarding some of the statements that are towards myself and others, that things have gotten screwed up and mistaken for something it wasn't meant to be.
So please, just let it go.
Jod, you are obviously a strong personality and yes it has affected me while I have been here, so to you first and foremost I sincerely appologize and hope that you accept it.
I am obviously not the thick skinned type of person that can operate on a public forum and I accept this, but I jsut ask everyone to walk away from this and let it go.

Evelyn

 

[RobWin]

Thanks to a heads up from AussieDave, who tells me that he has asked his membership be deleted, I wouldn't have even known about the pages and pages of rant that have gone on here.

Dave pm'ed me earlier today and it saddens me to see him leave and why he is leaving really upset me the most. Its a shame when you cant defend yourself in a thread and have your posts deleted but yet you have to skim over upteen pages of rants, whats fair about that?

Laurie

So posts are being deleted here again like the one I made that day and then came back a couple days later wanting to know what had happened to my post?

Is that the case again.......GRRRRRRRRR
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[Jeannie]

*facepalm*

that is all....

seriously guys/gals.... scaring the newbies (except me, i'm only scared of my mother in law, she was mentioned earlier i think, scary office lady.... yeah, i'm sure it's her)

 

[bb28]

So posts are being deleted here again like the one I made that day and then came back a couple days later wanting to know what had happened to my post?

Is that the case again.......GRRRRRRRRR
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Yes......it happened.

 

[bb28]

*facepalm*

that is all....

seriously guys/gals.... scaring the newbies (except me, i'm only scared of my mother in law, she was mentioned earlier i think, scary office lady.... yeah, i'm sure it's her)

Most mothers in laws.......we should be scared of. OMG......I'm one of them now.

Welcome Jeannie.....just a lot of outspoken folks around, nothing to be afraid of.

 

[RobWin]

Yes......it happened.

Damn....Was there at least a message left by whomever deleted it stating that so and so's "Post Has Been Deleted"??

And a reason why it was deleted also?
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[maxd]

Yes......it happened.

Where? You all know that deleting posts is only done here in the most extreme cases. It is NOT standard policy and it is NEVER done without extreme provocation.

I would very much like to know when and where these deletions supposedly took place.

On second thought you can PM me that info. This thread needs a bit of down time for peeps to cool off.

 

[bb28]

Damn....Was there at least a message left by whomever deleted it stating that so and so's "Post Has Been Deleted"??

No.

And a reason why it was deleted also?
No
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Where? You all know that deleting posts is only done here in the most extreme cases. It is NOT standard policy and it is NEVER done without extreme provocation.

I would very much like to know when and where these deletions supposedly took place.

It was in this thread on the last page and it was a post by aussiedave. It was later this morning or early evening EST.

 

[chuchu59]

While I do not disagree with the deletion of posts by the mods wiping them out as if they never existed does arouse negative sentiments. Would it not be better to delete the contents of the post and add a sentence like "The post has been deleted because it broke the forum rules".

There are many who would be interested in what the posters actually wrote so could they not remain in the member's archive of posts so that they are only used for private consumption. I trust the mods' discretion but we could at least have an avenue to let people realise what wrong the posters have done. Letting them be read privately without being intertwined with the thread is a possible way out.

 

[maxd]

Ok, I see it now. (for the record it's Link Outdated / Removed)

Obviously this was an extreme situation and I have no doubt that Bryan will be discussing it with the relevant peeps when he comes on line in an hour or so.

That said it's the exception that demonstrates the rule, imho: we do NOT normally delete posts here. Other than pure spam or over-the-top flameouts this a VERY rare exception and there's no reason to interpret this single action as a change in direction here at Casinomeister.

 

[The Dude]

Admin note: reopened thread

Some members really need to take a break and do something other than going apeshit in a public forum. Out of frustration, Aussie-Dave threw up his hands and announced he was quitting. We agreed that playing one's guitar for a few hours is a better solution than leaving a forum that one has considered a home away from home.

As for censorship, there is none here. Simmo! nuked a post that should have been dealt with elsewhere in order to keep a thread on track. That happens on weekends. Many times these posts are resurrected at a later date when they are moved elsewhere. Moderators cannot permanently delete threads/posts - only I can, so it's not really gone. I'll be cleaning up the mess sometime in the next hour or two - moving things around and getting the topics back up to speed.

As for a mob taking over the forum. Honestly, I don't see it. There may be a handful of posters who seem to have the same view points, but I don't see this as a mob. There are over 320 active members here daily who are participating in this forum. If only one or two members are complaining that there is "mobbing" going on - well, is this really going on?

This forum reflects real life, you are not going to get along with everybody. But it is up to you to exercise enough self-discipline to function in a positive manner in a social environment. Besides, there are a number of tools one can use in this forum to overcome this negativity. Some members here need to work on these skills, and I'm here to assist.

I'll be PMing the members who be receiving remedial training in this area while cleaning up the mess that was made in the past two days. Please exercise patience while I take car of this. Thank you.

 

[Simmo!]

So posts are being deleted here again like the one I made that day and then came back a couple days later wanting to know what had happened to my post?

Is that the case again.......GRRRRRRRRR
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Yes......it happened.

For the record I deleted the post in question last night just to calm things down. It was Sunday, I was trying to watch the climax to the football leagues, I was getting was "reported posts" and PM's from people with "he said/she said" arguments and yes I was very pissed off at the interuptions.

It was clear that the people involved were just going at each other - I still don't really know why to be honest - and there was a) never going to be a resoulution and b) it was derailing threads.

I had two choices: ban the two people directly involved for 24 hours or remove the offending material.

I closed one thread and then *soft* deleted this post (meaning other admins can check it out before deletion) because it had nothing to do with the original topic and I saw it as being inflamatory. I then started getting PM's accusing me of taking sides, being hypocritical, etc etc and quite frankly I had better things to do than referee a fight last night.

I apologise if I offended anyone in what was clearly a sensitive topic but I just wanted the squabbling to end and to watch Blackpool make it the playoff finals.

Incidentally - when I soft delete a post I see a message saying "This post has been deleted by Simmo because.....<reason>". Do regular users not see that?


@Robwin: I'd love to hear how you would have handled a post/poster you considered inflammatory, offensive or off-topic?

 

[bernynhel]

Censorship, to me, is when someone tells me, bernynhel, that "you ought not have said such-and-such," or "you need to apologize to whats-her-name" or "you shouldn't talk to your mother that way." Crap really irks me. It's OK to try n regulate anyone else, cuz that don't befront me, none. Loudmouth probably needs stifling. Just get offa my cloud.

 

[The Dude]

Censorship, to me, is when someone tells me, bernynhel, that "you ought not have said such-and-such," or "you need to apologize to whats-her-name" or "you shouldn't talk to your mother that way." Crap really irks me. It's OK to try n regulate anyone else, cuz that don't befront me, none. Loudmouth probably needs stifling. Just get offa my cloud.

That's not censorship; that criticism. You want censorship? Join the billion who live in China, or the millions who live in Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

 

[chuchu59]

Simmo! I was more interested in the Sheff. Wed vs Crystal Palace showdown with one of them destined for League 1 football. Great end-to-end stuff and I had a bet on draw.

 

[The Dude]

...@Robwin: I'd love to hear how you would have handled a post/poster you considered offensive or off-topic?

Hi Rob! Same here. If you were a moderator, what would you have done? Bearing in mind that Simmo had limited time to deal with this effectively.

 

[Simmo!]

Simmo! I was more interested in the Sheff. Wed vs Crystal Palace showdown with one of them destined for League 1 football. Great end-to-end stuff and I had a bet on draw.

Yeah what a cracking end to the game!! It must have been unbearable if you supported either team. Good choice on a draw by the way but they left it late eh

 

[The Dude]

I've restored the post in question:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/

As you can see, it was a further derailment of the thread. I'm in the midst of moving posts, so it may disappear for a while.

 

[bernynhel]

That's not censorship; that criticism....

When I'm told to ammend or edit my words, or apologize, and then, forced or pressured to do so, ("edit your post or your infracticized!" or "apologioze to Mother this instant!") That's regulatin' me. - censorship

When I'm told, "You suck for sayin' that!" That's just poor taste. Probably. - criticism
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...You want censorship? Join the billion who live in China, or the millions who live in Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

I know! All those places invited me to come and live there but just so they can use me as an example and flog me regularly. Turned 'em all down flat.

 

[Simmo!]

Hmmm...here's an idea.

Why don't we have a private forum where posts deemed to be derails and simultaneously represent one-on-one arguments can be moved. Members have to request access to the forum on the proviso that they accept responsibility and the consequences of joining in and that they can't complain about what's written unless it breaks a house rule.

It's hidden from public review to keep Casinomeister free of personal crap for those who prefer just to discuss issues in an unintimidating atmosphere.

Obviously the same rules regarding direct insults would still apply (edit/removal of directly offensive material) but a bit more slack is cut in other areas?

Simmo!

 

[The Dude]

...
Incidentally - when I soft delete a post I see a message saying "This post has been deleted by Simmo because.....<reason>". Do regular users not see that?...

My bad.

Only moderators and "Fully Registered "members could see them. It was turned off for everyone else - thus no one could see a reason up to now.

It's been changed - viewable by all members.

 

[bernynhel]

... I was getting was "reported posts" and PM's from people with "he said/she said" arguments and yes I was very pissed off at the interuptions...

I'm always caught off guard when I realize someone's complained about me. Never occurrrs to me - not anything I've ever done - complain to admin for what someone else wrote? lol can't wrap my head around it.

Number one, less it's directed at me, I don't care what they wrote. And if it is, I prefer to handle my own business.

I'd be 10 kinds a mad if I was Simmo and hadda answer to tattlers over some playground B.S. Why not just eliminate the reported posts feature? Back to the wild wild west? No? Just tryijn' t' hep, pard'.

 

[bernynhel]

Hmmm...here's an idea.

Why don't we have a private forum where posts deemed to be derails and simultaneously represent one-on-one arguments can be moved. Members have to request access to the forum on the proviso that they accept responsibility and the consequences of joining in and that they can't complain about what's written unless it breaks a house rule.

It's hidden from public review to keep Casinomeister free of personal crap for those who prefer just to discuss issues in an unintimidating atmosphere.

Obviously the same rules regarding direct insults would still apply (edit/removal of directly offensive material) but a bit more slack is cut in other areas?

Simmo!

What about weapon choices? lol

 

[chuchu59]

Hmmm...here's an idea.

Why don't we have a private forum where posts deemed to be derails and simultaneously represent one-on-one arguments can be moved. Members have to request access to the forum on the proviso that they accept responsibility and the consequences of joining in and that they can't complain about what's written unless it breaks a house rule.

It's hidden from public review to keep Casinomeister free of personal crap for those who prefer just to discuss issues in an unintimidating atmosphere.

Obviously the same rules regarding direct insults would still apply (edit/removal of directly offensive material) but a bit more slack is cut in other areas?

Simmo!

Excellent idea! I am all for it.

 

[jetset]

Back on topic.

Leaving aside all the in-fighting, fingerpointing and repetition that has characterised this at times bitter thread, what was it all really about?

My perception - taking it at face value and assuming there were no underlying agendas, hurts or other issues - was a reminder that we are all adult human beings with diverse opinions and varying degrees of sensitivity in this forum.

This being the case, if a topic is to be successfully and productively argued or flagged, some responsibility has to be taken by members to try and be disciplined and courteous in framing posts or responses.

That's easier said than done, and it's not always easy to eschew insults, expletives and harsh words when there is often provocation or one has been the victim of something or someone that another member applauds.

But really - its just an exchange of information and opinion here - is it really worth getting so worked up about, when you can always push your chair back, go and kick the cat, have a cup of coffee or go and shout at the neighbours to relieve your feelings before posting again?

Let's not make more of this than we already have, and show a little respect for our fellow posters.

I would like to see the Marty Davis thread re-opened, because I had the impression that AussieDave's post did not deserve hammering, but more importantly I think we were starting to get past the nasty stuff and about to enter a useful discussion on the real issue of GW and its comeback/snow-job.

And I had prepared a whole post based on the GW situation and am as frustrated as hell that I couldn't put it up!

 

[maxd]

When I'm told to ammend or edit my words, or apologize, and then, forced or pressured to do so....

That could simply be a kindness to you. If you've in violation of the house rules and someone tells you "clean it up or else" then they're giving you a chance to do the right thing. The alternative might be to simply take action based on the violation, which might be an even less popular approach.

Some peeps look at a situation where they are not welcome to say whatever they f'ing please however they f'ing want to say it as censorship. Rubbish! There's a difference between being speaking your mind and being a public nuisance. The former is generally welcomed, the latter is not.

 

[bernynhel]

That could simply be a kindness to you. If you've in violation of the house rules and someone tells you "clean it up or else" then they're giving you a chance to do the right thing. The alternative might be to simply take action based on the violation, which might be an even less popular approach.

Some peeps look at a situation where they are not welcome to say whatever they f'ing please however they f'ing want to say it as censorship. Rubbish! There's a difference between being speaking your mind and being a public nuisance. The former is generally welcomed, the latter is not.

Sorry, guys! I'll put more "LOL's" in my posts from now on. Seriously though, I've only been PMd once by a "friend" trying to give me a heads up that maybe I should rethink certain aspects of a post, and by then I was already banned. But member pseudo-sheriffs in the public forums just wind me up.

 

[WagerWitch]

Here is all I have to say regarding this right now:

• The posts that are tremendously offensive are still available.
• Dave's Post is put back - however - my thread remained locked.
• The very real possibility that there is a mob on this forum with only 2 people saying it - might be the very clue that you need to evaluate - people are tired of being flamed, treated unjustly and most just leave - without a care and they don't look back. There are posters who have written me - and I give staff permission to read my inbox - about this very thing. Perhaps the staff enjoys the rabble - I don't know - but I do know that I'm not the first person and I know I will NOT be the last person.

Again - what I have asked of people in EVERY single post is this:

1.5 - No "Offensive" Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory, or otherwise violative of any local or international laws. This includes links in your signature, profile, bookmarks as well as posted images, photos and avatars. The moderators will ultimately decide if something is appropriate or not.

1.6 - No "Libelous" Posts. Do not make posts that could be considered libelous, defamatory, or posting merely to cause harm to another's business. Opinions are expected, but do not attack others with accusations of criminal activity unless this has been proven in a court of law.

1.11 - Please do not exploit this board to promote your own personal agenda. If the moderators (and members) feel that you are spamming the board with links or ad copy to your website, harassing members with agenda laden posts, or consistently ragging on a casino that did you wrong, etc., your account may be suspended.

Yet these two posts remain:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/censorship-and-the-mob-mentality.37612/

In which a poster breaks most rules including saying "F" You and other vulgar hateful things.

and

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/censorship-and-the-mob-mentality.37612/

which is very inflammatory


And note - these same people have admitted to being in a flame war fest with previous individuals and act proud of it.

If this behavior is allowed - then perhaps you need to re-write the rules or write in that certain people are allowed to break those rules.... Constantly.

Banning some for breaking them - and allowing others to remain even though they break them is not a very clear message.

I'm asking the members of the forum to stop berating people, beating them up and treating people like crap. To use civility when discussing items and to try to promote a semi peaceful atmosphere.

However - that certainly does NOT feel like what is wanted here.

I personally do not want to witness adults acting like this on a forum that is supposed to be professional and is for BOTH the PLAYER and THE CASINO.

I'm done discussing this - you guys can do what you will with it.

If you think it's ok for what has been going on to continue - THEN SO BE IT.

 

[jetset]

I'm afraid I am giving up on WW - I find it very difficult to keep reading the same bitter recriminations over and over and over and over again; accusations against imaginary "mobs"; implied insults against other members and the constant repetition of the need for discipline and courtesy - a concept to which most here already subscribe.

With this sort of obdurate attitude I don't really see this thread going anywhere useful - the valuable points have all been made - repeatedly.

Time to tune out, I fear.

 

[skiny]

It's the never ending regurgitation. If you can't swallow it, flush it. Forget it. Leave it behind and walk away.

I'm the last one to be known to keep my trap shut but bashing each other endlessly is a waste of time.

 

[The Dude]

One thing that WW is not realizing is that the moderators and I are working behind the scenes to clean this mess up.

It doesn't happen in a flash - it takes hours. This may be leisure time for you, but this is work for us. We do not work on the weekends - period. When someone craps all over the forum, it's going to wait until Monday. If this is too much for people to deal with, then find another forum where the mods are monitoring every single post 24/7. You'll be happier there.

We believe in managing and maintaining our real lives. If my kids want to play a game of Scrabble and someone is telling someone else to "fuck-off" in the forum, guess who is going to get my full attention? It's definitely not the grown adult who is insulting another grown adult in this forum.

On top of that, I have to dish out spankings to members who caused this mess. That takes time as well.

Anyway, the thread that deserved so much attention over the weekend has been split into three separate threads:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...s-press-release-at-cap-calvin-ayre-com.37692/

Please don't screw them up. Thank you.

 

[The Dude]

Hmmm...here's an idea.

Why don't we have a private forum where posts deemed to be derails and simultaneously represent one-on-one arguments can be moved. Members have to request access to the forum on the proviso that they accept responsibility and the consequences of joining in and that they can't complain about what's written unless it breaks a house rule.

It's hidden from public review to keep Casinomeister free of personal crap for those who prefer just to discuss issues in an unintimidating atmosphere.

Obviously the same rules regarding direct insults would still apply (edit/removal of directly offensive material) but a bit more slack is cut in other areas?

Simmo!

But isn't this accomplished by some of the Private member groups? Or is that too clique-mob-like?

 

[jetset]

I would like to echo that - I don't think there's a need to react to the recent and pretty unusual mayhem by introducing yet another facility on an already busy forum that offers its members such a wide range of services and diversions.

 

[Simmo!]

But isn't this accomplished by some of the Private member groups? Or is that too clique-mob-like?

It's somewhere we mods could move posts to that we feel are derailing the thread but we can't possibly delete for fear of being branded Nazi dictators who censor the Internet as part of a pro-casino conspiracy