Gambling Wages/Virtual Casinos' Press Release at CAP/Calvin Ayre.com

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Check this shit out!

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And even better than that is the Casinomeister banner on the same page as that Gambling Wages title....irony? LOL

Bryan, is Calvin pissed at you dude?

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I did manage to leave em a comment there...maybe ole Calvin is just doing this for some added publicity...huh ;)
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So lets see here.....

We have Cap of course
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them and their program...

We have Calvin Ayre basically
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them as well by publishing the article with that title in the headline....

And on top of all that...the Casinomeister Banner there above the article like a neon star....

So, lets imagine a newbie affiliate sees and reads all of this....would they sign-up and start promoting the Gambling Wages program?

I say hell yea they would, with all of those factors above figured into the equation and the industry clout that Casinomeister, Calvin Ayre and Cap all three carry....someone give me one, just one good reason why a new (newbie) affiliate would not sign-up and start promoting them?

Come on peeps, I want to hear it here...from all the savvy peers I have here!
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Didnt you read about that virtual nightmare i had Rob:eek2:

I know we wont be doing that lol, when Bryan starts putting up their banners, i will know that the gambling world has gone to hell in a handbasket or if you or KK or even better Aussie Dave, i will be speechless and i have never been at a loss for words.


Hey just for chits and giggles, i tried to login to my old virtual group accounts......Locked lmao......Wonder why?:)


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Didnt you read about that virtual nightmare i had Rob:eek2:

I know we wont be doing that lol, when Bryan starts putting up their banners, i will know that the gambling world has gone to hell in a handbasket or if you or KK or even better Aussie Dave, i will be speechless and i have never been at a loss for words.


Hey just for chits and giggles, i tried to login to my old virtual group accounts......Locked lmao......Wonder why?:)


Laurie

To tell ya the truth Lauri, I don't know why in the hell I even bother posting shit like this anymore. It's purdy damn obvious no one else really gives a flying phuck about it.

Bryan read the post above a couple of hours ago, BoDog Becky read it awhile ago, Webzcas has read it and several others I'm not even going to bother to type their names out here read it also!

Any replys or rebuttles from those peeps? Yea, exactly.....so I need to rethink this whole damn thing I believe...WTF!

I'm outta here...:rolleyes:

I'm obviously just pissing into the wind again!
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I don´t know anything about those a-holes who promote gambling wages but the industry is living on players but they get their money from the casinos.

Of course they don´t give a $hit if the players from the past get paid or not.
They want to promote as many casinos/affiliate programs they possibly can to get more money.

Why have Calvin Ayre published that news? Are they morons there?(No Becky, I´m not calling you morons there, you just have to understand that you just don´t publish that!) Or is it a mistake? Does that Mark McKenna not know about these casinos behaviour?
 

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To tell ya the truth Lauri, I don't know why in the hell I even bother posting shit like this anymore. It's purdy damn obvious no one else really gives a flying phuck about it.

Bryan read the post above a couple of hours ago, BoDog Becky read it awhile ago, Webzcas has read it and several others I'm not even going to bother to type their names out here read it also!

Any replys or rebuttles from those peeps? Yea, exactly.....so I need to rethink this whole damn thing I believe...WTF!

I'm outta here...

I'm obviously just pissing into the wind again!

Calm down, Rob. You know others, many others do, in fact, care. However, not everyone is here full time, many don't want to keep beating the same drum until something new is right in front of their noses.

I also think a lot of folks stay in the background, working for changes and don't necessarily want to be out there shouting at the tops of their lungs.

Also, remind me to stay upwind of you if you are gonna start that pissing thing again! :D
 

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I also think a lot of folks stay in the background, working for changes and don't necessarily want to be out there shouting at the tops of their lungs.

That part I do agree with, working for changes...uhhh not so sure about that one...

Well, like I said...I did at least get Calvins attention there. Laurie chimed in to, good post there Laurie...:thumbsup:
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You know me, Rob. Any chance to babble away and I am there!!! :D

I did not notice the Casinomeister banner on top. Did they move it or is it a cycle type banner, changes every time they get a hit to another banner? I really hope they did. If I was Bryan, I would be mega ticked off at that gaff.
 

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You know me, Rob. Any chance to babble away and I am there!!! :D

I did not notice the Casinomeister banner on top. Did they move it or is it a cycle type banner, changes every time they get a hit to another banner? I really hope they did. If I was Bryan, I would be mega ticked off at that gaff.

Yea, the banner is rotating thru the loop.
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Bryan read the post above a couple of hours ago, BoDog Becky read it awhile ago, Webzcas has read it and several others I'm not even going to bother to type their names out here read it also!

Rob I only read this thread last night. I think though my views on the Virtual Group are clear enough. But for what it is worth I have just now commented on the Calvin Ayre article - hopefully my comments will be approved.
 

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Bryan read the post above a couple of hours ago,...
Jeeze Rob, leave me out of it until I get to it. You PMd last night at 850 pm - I was busy doing my taxes! :rolleyes: I may have read the article, but I get to things when I get to things.

And please don't assume that if I'm logged into the forum I'm reading everything that's going on - it just means my computer is turned on :p

That said, CAP deserves another boot up the ass for that ad copy BS article that would gag an eater of carrion.

Why Promote Gambling Wages Brands?
Best eCommerce Solutions: All credit cards accepted
Best Promotions in the Industry: Attractive offers and unique free chip coupons
Customized Marketing Material: Inventory of great email offers
Best Conversion and Player Value in the Business!
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Best eCommerce in the industry? They have got to be shitting me (btw - they are). Sure they can accept payments - doesn't mean they will pay players though.
Best promos?? Um - best promos would probably be dished out to 32Red or Ladbrokes, or another casino with a stellar rep. Not the Virtual group who is infamous for their 911 promotions.
Customized Marketing material? Who cares?
Best conversion and player value? Yeah sucker in the players like sheep. Great conversions. :rolleyes:

CAP is so full of it again. What a load of garbage.
 
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And even better than that is the Casinomeister banner on the same page as that Gambling Wages title....irony? LOL

Bryan, is Calvin pissed at you dude?

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I did manage to leave em a comment there...maybe ole Calvin is just doing this for some added publicity...huh ;)
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Hey guys-

I'd like to clear a few things up here:

1)The banners at the top of every single article page are in rotation- we do not have control over which pages each banner appears on. If you refresh the page, you will see that the banners change. Of course Calvin is not pissed at Bryan- we all love Bryan. :)

2)We are a pro-industry site which reports on igaming news, events, and lifestyle. I urge you to review the comments made under the
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as Calvin himself has posted in response to several comments from you guys and I think his comments will help you understand why we publish pieces such as the GW article. Here's a sampling of Calvin's comments for you in the meantime:

We are a pro industry site. That said we let our reporters have a wide range in their opinions and their opinions are not necessarily ours. We welcome spirited debate and hopefully others will come in here and flesh this out.

Welcome to the site.

Thanks for fleshing this out for us. In answer to your question....one reason a newbie would not sign up is our allowing discussion on content published here so you are able to give this balance. A second reason is I assume, if a new person has any chance of surviving, that they are smart enough to do some research and not just jump.

I also do not agree that a summary with a clear link to source is necessarily an endorsement by us. In this case I assume you are on this site and not the source site because you think you will have a better chance of getting your points out so from that perspective we may have helped by doing this.

I do agree that not all the writers we have understand everything they summarize. What we want to do is bring everything here for open debate and this is a sign of success in this. You have educated me on this stuff actually, as I was not aware of all of this either, though Becky did give me some background before I posted.



3)While I am aware of GW's shady past from my days at Casino City and GPWA, I can tell you that Marty Davis is AWESOME and I love him dearly- I missed him very much when he left the industry and I'm just delighted that he is back. Please give him a chance, he is a really good guy.

Thank you,
Becky
 

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@Bodogbecky:

I am trying hard to answer this the right way. If you feel insulted, I apologize because this is not meant to be aimed at you personally!

My own thoughts about the industry(way before this) is that persons professionally involved many times know each other to well and there for can´t publish their own opinion.

You are representing a CM accredited casino here and you work for Calvin Ayre where they now have published an article most people here puke at. :rolleyes:

If you read that headline and in the same time happily can imagine all those cheated players who now will know that affiliates are promised to be taken care of you are good. :notworthy

I can see that your ability to speak out are a bit limited in this matter. It´s a lot easier for me, I realize that.

1) Of course Calvin is not pissed at Bryan- we all love Bryan. :)

Funny talk about pissing, the article itself(at least the headline) is pissing me off and is pissing on what most people here believe in. :mad:

2)We are a pro-industry site which reports on igaming news, events, and lifestyle. I urge you to review the comments made under the
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as Calvin himself has posted in response to several comments from you guys and I think his comments will help you understand why we publish pieces such as the GW article. Here's a sampling of Calvin's comments for you in the meantime:

Calvin-the professional-himself said:
We are a pro industry site. That said we let our reporters have a wide range in their opinions and their opinions are not necessarily ours.

Calvin is responsible for everything that reporters publish there. Bad behaviour.

To take this further you can imagine yourself publish commercials for either racial or child pornographic material and say: our reporters have a wide range in their opinions...:eek:
(ok, this was out of line, it´s more like promoting Hells Angels)
Because I hope that you know that it´s a criminal behaviour you are promoting?

Or do you think that it some kind of sport?

3)While I am aware of GW's shady past from my days at Casino City and GPWA, I can tell you that Marty Davis is AWESOME and I love him dearly- I missed him very much when he left the industry and I'm just delighted that he is back. Please give him a chance, he is a really good guy.

Here it came! :eek:

You know the guy! :mad:

He comes here and wants to answer questions! He doesn´t. Instead he wants to create new issues with the casinos who rob players. Isn´t it more important to solve old issues before you continue to create new ones?

Becky? :confused:

Can you answer that one?

And we have given him the chance!

But before he answered he wanted to get some new affiliates who can help him screw some new players.

Again, I don´t mean this personally! You can see it strictly professional..I mean, it´s the professional things that brings you money and food on your table..right?

Can you realize how hard you have to play if you are into the virtuals?
 
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he either

a. resigned
b never exsisted

I spoke with Marty today- I have known him for years- he did not resign, and yes, he exists. Marty and I used to hang out at all the big conferences in '05 and '06- CAC Amsterdam, CAC Vegas, CAP Spring Break, etc. He left the industry for a bit, but now, as you can see, he is back. If you do not believe he exists, just come to the upcoming iGaming SUPER Show in Prague and meet him there for yourself- he will be there.

Honestly, I don't normally jump into threads like this and defend people as I know the type of negative responses it will attract, but Marty such a friendly, lovely person, I feel as if I must say something. Also, please understand I am not defending Gambling Wages as a company, I am defending Marty Davis as a person.

Thanks,
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I spoke with Marty today- I have known him for years- he did not resign, and yes, he exists. Marty and I used to hang out at all the big conferences in '05 and '06- CAC Amsterdam, CAC Vegas, CAP Spring Break, etc. He left the industry for a bit, but now, as you can see, he is back. If you do not believe he exists, just come to the upcoming iGaming SUPER Show in Prague and meet him there for yourself- he will be there.

Honestly, I don't normally jump into threads like this and defend people as I know the type of negative responses it will attract, but Marty such a friendly, lovely person, I feel as if I must say something. Also, please understand I am not defending Gambling Wages as a company, I am defending Marty Davis as a person.

Thanks,
Becky

Becky...

Marty Davis might be a "great guy" as you state... but the bottom line here is that he is employed by a horrible company... a company that has cheated numerous players and affiliates out of legitimate earnings. The reputation that Virtual/Gambling Wages has attained over the years... that being that they are deceitful, corrupt, liars, and out & out thieves... casts a very bad light on anyone that would be willing to work for such a sleazy organization.

Why should anyone "trust" or welcome Marty with open arms... when in reality... all he is really doing is becoming yet another on a long list of "new employees" that are hired to be a "spin doctor" for Gambling Wages and it's sordid reputation.

Hiring "Good Guy Marty" brings to mind the old adage of:

"You lie with dogs... you wake up with fleas".

Regardless of Marty's good reputation & past history... his decision to work for Virtual/Gambling Wages will undoubtedly sully & tarnish his reputation in the future.

No "Spin Doctoring" by "anyone" can EVER help this ROGUE group to be accepted by anyone with an iota of intelligence.

Sorry Marty... you backed the "wrong horse" this time.
 

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Calvin is responsible for everything that reporters publish there. Bad behaviour.

To take this further you can imagine yourself publish commercials for either racial or child pornographic material and say: our reporters have a wide range in their opinions...:eek:
(ok, this was out of line, it´s more like promoting Hells Angels)
Because I hope that you know that it´s a criminal behaviour you are promoting?

Or do you think that it some kind of sport?

From Calvin:

"I do not agree that us summarizing an article published by someone else is an endorsement in any way of any of the content of that article. We include the links so it's clear who's opinion we are publishing. I do not even agree that a summary of someone else's work is even an article...its a summary of someone else' work only. We bring all major announcements under one roof so they can be fairly dissected which seems to be the case with the summary in question. Our site is an industry site and is not used by players. We cannot have a credible site and block access of our readers to some content and not others. As I have posted on my site, if you do not agree with anything, we welcome your opinions.

Brian...I regret to hear that you are unable to make it to my party in Prague- you will be missed.

Calvin Ayre"
 

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A couple of things Becky.

The way the article is written on Calvin Ayre actually comes across as giving credence to Gambling Wages. Were it not for the people commenting on it, then anyone coming across the article, who had not heard of Virtual and their history, would think GREAT! A good to go casino I can play at..

Poor sensationalist journalism and no different to the garbage press release which Lyceum Media sent out.

Secondly, whilst Marty might be a great guy, he obviously hasn't done his research thoroughly. If he had, he would realise he is one of many affiliate managers that have tried but failed to turn Gambling Wages and Virtual Casino Group around.

My own view is, is that Virtual need to sort out ALL existing player issues before being afforded any kind of publicity or carrot to do so.

By the way kudos to CalvinAyre.com for approving the comments on that article.
 

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Hi All,

Take a step back, read between the lines and look the BIG picture.

It is what it is...

Question for Becky...What's the relationship between Riptown Media and CalvinAyre.com?


Cheers

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Jeeze Rob, leave me out of it until I get to it. You PMd last night at 850 pm - I was busy doing my taxes! :rolleyes: I may have read the article, but I get to things when I get to things.

And please don't assume that if I'm logged into the forum I'm reading everything that's going on - it just means my computer is turned on :p

That said, CAP deserves another boot up the ass for that ad copy BS article that would gag an eater of carrion.


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Best eCommerce in the industry? They have got to be shitting me (btw - they are). Sure they can accept payments - doesn't mean they will pay players though.
Best promos?? Um - best promos would probably be dished out to 32Red or Ladbrokes, or another casino with a stellar rep. Not the Virtual group who is infamous for their 911 promotions.
Customized Marketing material? Who cares?
Best conversion and player value? Yeah sucker in the players like sheep. Great conversions. :rolleyes:

CAP is so full of it again. What a load of garbage.

Well said! Leopards rarely change their spots in this business:mad:
 

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Same goes for CAP and Warren Jolly so it seems Jetset. I just feel foolish for actually believing Warren - who I spoke to at length on the phone after the LAC and also removed their ( CAP ) blacklisting from OCR last year. After being convinced they have turned over a new leaf.

Unfortunately they ( CAP ) appear not to have learnt anything and as such, they are blacklisted on my site again. If they want to lie in the same bed as Virtual, by all means join them on my avoid at all cost pages.

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What hacks me off the most is that all this corporate double-speak and excuses for positively portraying a company with a questionable record appears to completely disregard the welfare of players.

Because those are the folks who will pay the ultimate price if they end up in the clutches of a problematic operator, thanks to an affiliate who may sign up on the basis of this latest whitewash attempt.

The affiliate may also get his/her fingers burned, as we have seen previously.

Bodog Becky waxes lyrical about Marty, but this is actually irrelevant imo - the chances are he's just the latest hire engaged to again punt the now old "turned over a new leaf" line...and there have been a few here, as members will attest.

Calvin Ayre suggests in one post on his site that players have a responsibility to research as well as relying on the affiliate (who also has an obligation to be professional).

That sounds cool on paper, but surely he is as aware as the rest of us that newbie players often come in wide-eyed and unsuspecting and do not always take the precaution of immediately joining good forums or do some Google work. That's what makes this whitewash stuff so dangerous.

And Ayre was unaware of the GW history? He's an acknowledged industry expert and his chief reporter admits she knew about it...sounds like some sort of disconnect.
 

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What hacks me off the most is that all this corporate double-speak and excuses

You can say that again :thumbsup:

Bodog Becky waxes lyrical about Marty, but this is actually irrelevant imo

Your damn right it's irrelevant. This is the type of stuff that SHOULD be jumped on but sadly, in most cases it's not.

IMHO a chief reporter/editor has a responsibility to report the truth. Especially as this information ends up on Google. As a result another wave of noobie gamblers get suckered by these Virtual Casino Group clip joints!

Good one BodogBecky :rolleyes:

And Ayre was unaware of the GW history? He's an acknowledged industry expert and his chief reporter admits she knew about it...sounds like some sort of disconnect.

Sounds more like a cover up to me. Even if Calvin Ayre was aware of the GW history, it's not like he's going to admit it, hey

How's it go..Deny knowledge of everything.


Cheers

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The bottom line is that you have to put the people aside and look at the facts. If you let the people and personalities get in the way, then it turns into a political debate - who likes who, who did what in the past etc.

There is no "cleaning up one's act." Not in this business. Sure, you make a mistake or two, then players may be forgiving. But repeat offenders, who go on and on and on for years, screwing players (I couldn't care less about the affiliates who whine about not being paid by GW, they shouldn't have been promoting them to begin with) they are the leopards who will not change their spots.

I have learned with 10+ years of dealing with this group is that business ethics do not change. As long as the Virtual casino group is owned by the same people and managed with the same philosophical approach to this industry, there will be no change.

Sure we can let a rep come in here and try to mop up the mess - answer player complaints and resolve issues. But this should not be a tactic or strategy to get on the "good" list. They should have attempted this in 2002 not 2010. It's a day late and a dollar short.

How many times has the Virtual Group asked to be given a second chance, or that they were turning over a new leaf? Some of you more astute at doing searches on the site should be able to find the newsletters and postings where I have met either the owner or managers. I have been lied to a number of times by these guys. I don't trust them - why should any affiliate or player trust them either?

Back to the "people" issue. I don't think it matters who bears the torch, leading the charge on cleaning up Virtual's act. Hell, it could be me or Spearmaster, Jetset, Simmo! (fill in the blank with your favorite personality here) leading the way. Their history is so tarnished, it could never happen - and it won't. I don't care how great they may think of themselves at the moment - you cannot forget the past. And believe me, the past is not so long ago...

So my message to Marty: I'm sure you have good intentions and you're a swell guy. But I hope you understand you have chosen to tackle one hell of a situation. Best of luck to you - for the players' sake.
 
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