CasinoBTC is it safe to play?

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That’s really interesting cheers.

Some people would disagree with me and others not, this is why it’s so important for ‘victims’ to contact their banks and the U.K. Gambling Commission and commence the chargeback/dispute route against these criminals.

Imagine if we all did this against unlicensed gaming sites, especially the ones who are using fake/discontinued casino games from the likes of NetEnt and Novomatic.

1. The ‘victim’ gets the money back.
2. The authorities then would be aware and could take enforcement action. Even though the UKGC are pretty useless at this currently.
3. Banks would refuse to accept payments from other customers in the future as they would be aware that it’s illegal site.
4. MasterCard, Visa, American Express could also help in stopping future payments going through.
5. Banks and Visa/MasterCard fine the merchant for every successful dispute/charge - Thus, deterring setting up sites for the future and closing the current one down. Yes the risk of Bitcoin etc is going to cause further problems.
6. It’s great for LEGAL casino sites and sites such as CasinoMeister.

As the biggest forum for Gambling I truly believe CasinoMeister should be doing everything possible to promote the chargeback scheme against all illegal gambling sites, even assist in writing various letter templates for victims which can be used over and over for people to get the money back. Also to offer support on who to contact and what to say if questioned.

Then to deter chargebacks against the legal sites just because somebody had a run off back luck.
Do you like playing Whack-A-Mole? :laugh:

Because should you indeed manage to shut one down then five or more new ones will instantly appear. Just for your CasinoBTC, I have linked already about 40 other unregulated casinos to the same people with dozens of operating companies and payment processors.

It is like a Hydra. :D
 
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I would ask the question why bother playing in clip joints like this at all if you are from the UK? There is so much choice for UK players that there is no need to go to sites like this, unless you have signed up to Gamstop and are now playing these sites to get a free run, i.e play, lose, chargeback....
 

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Do you like playing Whack-A-Mole? :laugh:


Because should you indeed manage to shut one down the five or more new ones will instantly appear. Just for your CasinoBTC, I have linked already about 40 other unregulated casinos to the same people with dozens of operating companies and payment processors.

It is like a Hydra. :D
:D:D
haha , Well you see if we all did bank chargebacks/disputes against these crooks they will be less willing to keep setting up sites in the future especially if each time they keep getting fined, plus who on earth would keep giving them the payment processing software when thousands of victims are getting refunds.
 

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haha , Well you see if we all did bank chargebacks/disputes against these crooks they will be less willing to keep setting up sites in the future especially if each time they keep getting fined, plus who on earth would keep giving them the payment processing software when thousands of victims are getting refunds.
Unfortunately, this malarkey is so profitable that those fines are not even pocket change for them.

The official front person (not that it will link you to the real people behind these scams) for your casino is barely 30 years old and a director/secretary of 200+ companies. No doubt, they can add another 200 to that tally.
 
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I would ask the question why bother playing in clip joints like this at all if you are from the UK? There is so much choice for UK players that there is no need to go to sites like this, unless you have signed up to Gamstop and are now playing these sites to get a free run, i.e play, lose, chargeback....
GamStop has ultimately caused this problem, it’s helped a huge number but made matters so much worse for others.

For example the dodgy casino in the title, I could not find any information on the casino (it was opened just one week a go) I had the urge to play NetEnt Games, I assumed it was genuine by the games and by other parts of the site, just that it was licensed within the U.K.

I did not add myself to GamStop someone I know didn’t like the fact I lost £500 one night and added me to the GamStop site for 5 years. I do not have a gambling problem, but because this person knew every part of my life they answered the questions correctly and the block was implemented. Due to this, there is now nothing I can do. I have the urge once a month to have a flutter on decent slots Just like every other gambler.

Ive come across a lot of people online in my situation who search out international sites not under U.K. GamStop rules, then we sadly come across fake sites like this who are using dodgy NetEnt sites, but everybody I know who follow those steps I’ve typed previously have always been successful in getting money back.

I personally know people who have done 80-100 chargebacks against fake casino sites and have got every single penny back, 30% of those sites are now closed as they ALWAYS report them to the Gambling Commission, they where reported because the sites refused to pay genuine winnings and had extremely unfair and predatory terms and conditions.

See it this way, you love collecting trainers but sometimes you order them and you realise they are fake but the retailer refuses to refund. So as per the Visa/MasterCard rules you can put a chargeback through so its the same for illegal gambling sites.
 

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Unfortunately, this malarkey is so profitable that those fines are not even pocket change for them.

The official front person (not that it will link you to the real people behind these scams) for your casino is barely 30 years old and a director/secretary of 200+ companies. No doubt, they can add another 200 to that tally.
I get what you are saying, but trust me it does matter to some of them because around 30% do comeback and try to put a counter argument together :D but how on earth can Visa or NatWest Bank take the side of a Illegal Casino Website it would be utterly unethical giving the cash back to a bunch of criminals. Imagine a victim has just lost £20k that’s a lot of money and it pisses them off to be forced to hand the cash back.

So as victims we must fight, at the end of the day it’s a 10 minute phone call to the bank, a quick email or call to the Gambling Commission they will issue a letter and then getting a Crime Reference Number from Action Fraud website.

A pretty much 100% guaranteed refund

The criminals can do nothing about it, but the best part is when they have to pay the £75 - £1500 fine.
 

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GamStop has ultimately caused this problem, it’s helped a huge number but made matters so much worse for others.

For example the dodgy casino in the title, I could not find any information on the casino (it was opened just one week a go) I had the urge to play NetEnt Games, I assumed it was genuine by the games and by other parts of the site, just that it was licensed within the U.K.

I did not add myself to GamStop someone I know didn’t like the fact I lost £500 one night and added me to the GamStop site for 5 years. I do not have a gambling problem, but because this person knew every part of my life they answered the questions correctly and the block was implemented. Due to this, there is now nothing I can do. I have the urge once a month to have a flutter on decent slots Just like every other gambler.

Ive come across a lot of people online in my situation who search out international sites not under U.K. GamStop rules, then we sadly come across fake sites like this who are using dodgy NetEnt sites, but everybody I know who follow those steps I’ve typed previously have always been successful in getting money back.

I personally know people who have done 80-100 chargebacks against fake casino sites and have got every single penny back, 30% of those sites are now closed as they ALWAYS report them to the Gambling Commission, they where reported because the sites refused to pay genuine winnings and had extremely unfair and predatory terms and conditions.

See it this way, you love collecting trainers but sometimes you order them and you realise they are fake but the retailer refuses to refund. So as per the Visa/MasterCard rules you can put a chargeback through so its the same for illegal gambling sites.
So do you do the chargebacks if you win or is it only if you lose?
 

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So do you do the chargebacks if you win or is it only if you lose?
If the site pays out winnings and offers good service without predatory terms and conditions they will continue to get my custom. I expect to lose money on the games at times, I don’t have a problem with that but any sneaky stuff like delaying tactics, ignoring emails or refusal to pay winnings I’ll ask them to return deposits within a strict time frame, if they refuse my bank is contacted and I report them. Then the money pops back into my account within a week, I’ve even reported some to the National Crime Agency for refusing to pay out large sums of money.
 

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Would it not make more sense, if someone's lumped you onto GS (and, if you say you don't have an issue), trying to get off it? Then you can play at places with a bit more recourse rather than Chargeback? (though i presume that may get the person into a bit of bother - pass?)

I was wondering how easy it would be to register someone with GS w/o their knowledge (not personally) and as long as you have an inkling of their details it does seem quite easy (not used, so i don't know the checks they do but i do they ask questions relating to your credit file? Or is that just for address verification?)
 

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Hi,

Can anyone tell me if CasinoBTC.bet is a scam or ok to play?

It is licensed by Curacao which I think many people do advise to avoid?

The site seems to have a good range of games..

Cheers
I am struggling to understand why the question in the initial post. Its pretty obvious it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks, you are going to play at the site even though its RAF, if you lose you are going to chargeback and if you win and dont get paid you are going to chargeback.
And I don't believe that someone close to you signed you up to Gamstop, more likely you did it yourself after a bad session and now you are regretting it.
 

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I am struggling to understand why the question in the initial post. Its pretty obvious it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks, you are going to play at the site even though its RAF, if you lose you are going to chargeback and if you win and dont get paid you are going to chargeback.
And I don't believe that someone close to you signed you up to Gamstop, more likely you did it yourself after a bad session and now you are regretting it.
You’ll be very surprised with how many parents, husband and wives get pissed off with a loved one losing a few hundred quid gambling so they sign them up to GamStop.

I personally believe you should upload ID and actually stand with the photo ID before the ban takes place. That way GamStop can be sure it really is the person self excluding themselves.
 

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Would it not make more sense, if someone's lumped you onto GS (and, if you say you don't have an issue), trying to get off it? Then you can play at places with a bit more recourse rather than Chargeback? (though i presume that may get the person into a bit of bother - pass?)

I was wondering how easy it would be to register someone with GS w/o their knowledge (not personally) and as long as you have an inkling of their details it does seem quite easy (not used, so i don't know the checks they do but i do they ask questions relating to your credit file? Or is that just for address verification?)
I have a friend who was 23 years old, his mum was against all forms of gambling. One day he lost £60 his mum was so angry one night she registered him on GamStop for 5 years, she answered three very simple security questions which of course she knew. Within seconds he was banned and all his gambling accounts closed, he wasn’t even a gambling addict he did about 5-10% of his wages on slots.

He tried everything to get off it but GamStop refused to budge. So now he’s stuck going on dodgy sites and entering bookies which he hates.
 

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GamStop has ultimately caused this problem, it’s helped a huge number but made matters so much worse for others.

For example the dodgy casino in the title, I could not find any information on the casino (it was opened just one week a go) I had the urge to play NetEnt Games, I assumed it was genuine by the games and by other parts of the site, just that it was licensed within the U.K.

I did not add myself to GamStop someone I know didn’t like the fact I lost £500 one night and added me to the GamStop site for 5 years. I do not have a gambling problem, but because this person knew every part of my life they answered the questions correctly and the block was implemented. Due to this, there is now nothing I can do. I have the urge once a month to have a flutter on decent slots Just like every other gambler.

Ive come across a lot of people online in my situation who search out international sites not under U.K. GamStop rules, then we sadly come across fake sites like this who are using dodgy NetEnt sites, but everybody I know who follow those steps I’ve typed previously have always been successful in getting money back.

I personally know people who have done 80-100 chargebacks against fake casino sites and have got every single penny back, 30% of those sites are now closed as they ALWAYS report them to the Gambling Commission, they where reported because the sites refused to pay genuine winnings and had extremely unfair and predatory terms and conditions.

See it this way, you love collecting trainers but sometimes you order them and you realise they are fake but the retailer refuses to refund. So as per the Visa/MasterCard rules you can put a chargeback through so its the same for illegal gambling sites.
The losses with the fines etc are already prized into their businesses. They still make huge profits.

Just think how many people do not complain or charge back!
 

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You’ll be very surprised with how many parents, husband and wives get pissed off with a loved one losing a few hundred quid gambling so they sign them up to GamStop.

I personally believe you should upload ID and actually stand with the photo ID before the ban takes place. That way GamStop can be sure it really is the person self excluding themselves.
Then as @pinnit2014 suggests, why not contact Gamstop and tell them that someone has fraudulently registered you?
And what was the point in the original post when you know its a cup-a-cocoa RAF site and most people at CM would be advising against playing there?
 

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The losses with the fines etc are already prized into their businesses. They still make huge profits.

Just think how many people do not complain or charge back!
I don't think the poster is interested in this bit to be honest, he has the perfect free roll running, he deposits, he plays and if he wins he waits to see if he gets paid and if they dont pay he raises the chargeback. If he loses he raises the chargeback, so he cant lose whatever happens.
 

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Then as @pinnit2014 suggests, why not contact Gamstop and tell them that someone has fraudulently registered you?
And what was the point in the original post when you know its a cup-a-cocoa RAF site and most people at CM would be advising against playing there?
Unless you have concrete proof there’s nothing that can be done. Especially if you live in the same house and use same IP address. GamStop have said you’ll need to involve the police, nobody would get the police involved against your own loved ones because they felt you was gambling money.

My mum gets upset when my sister buys a £2 lottery ticket.
 

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I don't think the poster is interested in this bit to be honest, he has the perfect free roll running, he deposits, he plays and if he wins he waits to see if he gets paid and if they dont pay he raises the chargeback. If he loses he raises the chargeback, so he cant lose whatever happens.
:lolup: That made me laugh.

Well it’s not entirely true, but just imagine if all victims did this. These dodgy sites would not be operating under its present form. Great for the victims, great for the legal sites, great for CasinoMeister!

We’re all winners!

Genuinely though not all the dodgy sites treat players badly. I’ve been playing with a couple for years. GamStop is a flawed project, it helps some but can makes matters very much worse for others.
 

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Would it not make more sense, if someone's lumped you onto GS (and, if you say you don't have an issue), trying to get off it? Then you can play at places with a bit more recourse rather than Chargeback? (though i presume that may get the person into a bit of bother - pass?)

I was wondering how easy it would be to register someone with GS w/o their knowledge (not personally) and as long as you have an inkling of their details it does seem quite easy (not used, so i don't know the checks they do but i do they ask questions relating to your credit file? Or is that just for address verification?)
The only time it can hurt your credit file is if you blatantly lie and commit an offence, against legit businesses this is something I’m firmly against. Plus chances are your chargeback would be rejected anyway against the likes of Ladbrokes or Grosvenor.

But we must not forget these illegal scumbags are criminals, they are ruining people’s lives in so many different ways, the lack of responsible gambling options for players to choose themselves and the dodgy terms and conditions.

These people are breaking the laws, so of course it wouldn’t damage your credit rating. You are doing the authorities and banks a favour by providing information to hopefully get them shut down and in return you get your money back.
 

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The only time it can hurt your credit file is if you blatantly lie and commit an offence. Against legit businesses this is something I’m firmly against.

But we must not forget these scumbags are criminals, they are ruining people’s lives in so many different ways, the lack of responsible gambling options for players to choose themselves and the dodgy terms and conditions.

These people are breaking the laws, so of course it wouldn’t damage your credit rating. You are doing the authorities and banks a favour by providing information to hopefully get them shut down and in return you get your money back.
I was more referring to the checks Gamstop do when registering - they say stuff about using Transunion and, like some other places, i was wondering if they asked questions like 'You opened a credit card in July 2018 - who was it?' - and give 5 options etc to help ensure you are who you say you are (not that i think that's a great check as I would know most of Mrs P's finances etc)
 

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