Can we win against casino playing baccarat or roulette

[AlohaHawaii]

The casino has a house edge.
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A player can get short gains by selecting 30/37 numbers on the roulette wheel. They are fav to win, but in the long term they still lose, because when they lose its a steeper %.

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Sorry folks that I did not log in the last few days as I was not feeling well.

After much thoughts, I too thought that if I played more numbers in the roullette table I might win, I then proceeded to a real land based casino to play the roullette and on each round I bet 33 numbers and I won initially, after winning continuously for a few days, finally I lost everything including my own money.

I then wrote a program for my computer to play the roulette. I made the computer bet randomly on 33 numbers for 10,000 games. I was very surprised to see that at the end of the 10k games, the computer lose. when I again made the pc play again for the next 10k games and the next 10k and the next, the pc lose all the time. I am very surprised that the zero in the roulette can do such wonders.

Based on what I saw in the program, I am therefore quite convinced that on a long term basis, there seems no way we can win the roulette that have a house advantage of a zero unless we know which sector the ball might land as described by a member here.

Using the program I wrote, I was also very wrong when I thought that in the roullette table, it is difficult to strike if we bet only a few numbers. I made the computer play 3 systems, (a) bet 33 numbers each round, (b) bet 3 numbers each round, (c) bet 18 numbers each round, and it was (b) that emerge the winner after playing 10,000 games. I want to share with members here that if you continuously bet about 3 numbers in the roulette each game, after about 100 games, chances is that you will strike at least 2 times.

Ok, so how about baccarat? Can we win in baccarat? I will again continue tomorrow ...or..... saturday........... I guarantee you its worth coming back because I might have a winning system or a system thats difficult for the casino to beat and .............................

 

[AlohaHawaii]

I wish to further add that if theres no table limit, the casinos will be in trouble as there are many rich people out there who has the capital to double knowing that is is vitually non existant for banker or player, in baccarat, to win continuously for 30 times.

the other problem with doubling up is that you only come out a little ahead. Say you play:
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32 and then you win even money.
You've spent 63 and you win 64. It's not much of a profit margin for you. If you double up and win more than even money, you come out decently ahead, but then you're really at risk, because your chances of hitting go way down.

Basically, if you don't have a very huge bankroll, it's just not reasonable to expect to be able to beat the casino that way.

Add in the table limits, and you just can't do it.

 

[james01]

I wish to further add that if theres no table limit, the casinos will be in trouble as there are many rich people out there who has the capital to double knowing that is is vitually non existant for banker or player, in baccarat, to win continuously for 30 times.

In baccarat or if you're playing (for example) evens on roulette, chances are over 99% that you'll hit a win within 10 rounds. At that point, if you started with $1 and doubled each round, you're at $512.

Casinos are smart. They don't let you play $1 and $512 at the same table, because they're not idiots. They know how to get every red cent out of players.

 

[GrandMaster]

I wish to further add that if theres no table limit, the casinos will be in trouble as there are many rich people out there who has the capital to double knowing that is is vitually non existant for banker or player, in baccarat, to win continuously for 30 times.

The table limit keeps the variance within bounds, but it does not cause the casino's advantage. I fail to see the relevance of 30 consecutive wins.

In baccarat or if you're playing (for example) evens on roulette, chances are over 99% that you'll hit a win within 10 rounds. At that point, if you started with $1 and doubled each round, you're at $512.

Casinos are smart. They don't let you play $1 and $512 at the same table, because they're not idiots. They know how to get every red cent out of players.

You could always move to a higher limit table or to another casino, or is there something in the martingale strategy that says that all action has to happen at the same table? Does it matter if they change dealers? Martingaling may win you a small amount most of the time, but occasionally you will lose big, and this is enough to keep the casino in business.

 

[frafi]

positive progression

Hi Aloha,

could a positive progression trigger the output of your program to the winning side?

You could expand your program to examine a light progression, say 1-2-3-1 when you win.

Try different combinations of this, maybe you find something out.

The curves in my examinations goes only up with the d'Alembert progression for a little while to end in a big jump down.

 

[endanger]

Progressive betting

Progressive betting is dead. Trying to revive it will make u dead as well. Say "NO" to it.