New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[snorky510238]

Of course he should be down over the last 6 years!! He’s been playing a 96% game.

Im just saying to play the same game as often as he does for the last 2 years and to come out ahead over THAT period is a 24 carrat miracle!!

Not a one off session, not a lucky month or 2 but 2 years worth of constant spawn!! That is why I reference it!! I’m not digging him out I’m pointing out facts from his videos which I’ve seen all of them!! This is the same period in which you and the other foilers claim the game has been gimped out of all proportion! This is why I reference it! You have video proof of somebody who plays the game constantly and is getting a very good rub of the green!! How do you explain that in your game is bent and BTG are thieves theory??

The game is bent. Bent towards the casinos favour. That is fact. You play it long enough then you will lose.

PS - Dazza I’m still waiting for those log in details mate!!!

Well, it’s simple. If he’s been running like a demon for 2 years but is still massively down, lifetime. Then he must have experienced the spell from hell, at some point. It would be interesting to know his lifetime rtp, across all sites.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well, it’s simple. If he’s been running like a demon for 2 years but is still massively down, lifetime. Then he must have experienced the spell from hell, at some point. It would be interesting to know his lifetime rtp, across all sites.

But you're literally just describing what a random game with a house edge of 4% will do over time, how could it possibly ever end up any other way?

You're describing a mathematical certainty as if it's the crime of the century.

IT STARTED RAINING YESTERDAY AND I GOT WET, I DEMAND A POLICE INVESTIGATION.

 

[goatwack]

No one would have a run of two years' unadulterated slotting bliss followed by four years' famine on any given slot, that would be a falsehood, even on the likes of Bonanza, and would defy all mathematical probability!

Peaks and troughs are more likely to be in days and weeks, and in particularly lopsided games like Bonanza, sometimes months. But for all its faults, when played enough, it will always reciprocate (in the end)

 

[mack341]

The thing Dunover doesn't seem to do, I'm guessing unlike many of us less fortunate on the rtp figure, is redeposit after it's plunged a barbwired truncheon up his calcutta.

And then playing once a day at the same site is more likely to encounter periods when the game has warmed up, rather than going to other sites and loading up the game still in take back mode.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Well, it’s simple. If he’s been running like a demon for 2 years but is still massively down, lifetime. Then he must have experienced the spell from hell, at some point. It would be interesting to know his lifetime rtp, across all sites.

Dazza experiencing a spell from hell???? Not a fucking chance!! His equivalent of that is going one video without being able to increase his stake!!

Anyway, fuck bonanza. I’m now grinding DOA2 on 9p until I get a wild line.

@Kroffe - Can you send me your login details seen as tho Dazza won’t for bonanza!!!

 

[Jono777]

But you're literally just describing what a random game with a house edge of 4% will do over time, how could it possibly ever end up any other way?

You're describing a mathematical certainty as if it's the crime of the century.

IT STARTED RAINING YESTERDAY AND I GOT WET, I DEMAND A POLICE INVESTIGATION.

No need, Professor Jon is here to help out one and all.

If you go indoors next time it rains, I am reasonably confident that you won't get wet, more so if you close the doors and windows.

Any time anyone needs my help feel free to post in any thread

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Chopley isn’t welcome in the bonanza thread anyway.

To much criticism of the game in recent years.

Anybody who likes a 3 dice game isn’t qualified enough to comment on what a decent slot is!!

 

[Kroffe]

Dazza experiencing a spell from hell???? Not a fucking chance!! His equivalent of that is going one video without being able to increase his stake!!

Anyway, fuck bonanza. I’m now grinding DOA2 on 9p until I get a wild line.

@Kroffe - Can you send me your login details seen as tho Dazza won’t for bonanza!!!

Sorry, account sharing is not allowed.
The most important thing when going for a wildline is:

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Oh I am!! Been playing all day solid and only down £43 so far.

This being the closest I’ve got. In 22 bonuses so far.

Nice knowing that if I’d been playing bonanza on 40p I’d be about £500 down by now and with no chance of bettering anything DOA2 could do on 9p.

 

[snorky510238]

But you're literally just describing what a random game with a house edge of 4% will do over time, how could it possibly ever end up any other way?

You're describing a mathematical certainty as if it's the crime of the century.

IT STARTED RAINING YESTERDAY AND I GOT WET, I DEMAND A POLICE INVESTIGATION.

It depends on what you believe happens when you log onto a game. If that is your own personal version, that nobody else can play, then yes it’s bound to make rtp eventually because the element of luck has been removed.

If, however, you believe that when you load the game, the way it plays depends on other players participating, then no, the chances of making rtp are extremely remote because luck is involved.

As I have stated previously, rtp would be based on trillions of spins on a game that has as many potential outcomes as Bonanza. You would literally need that many spins to achieve the mean average.

 

[TheAddict]

The rep never had any meaningful interaction even when present here, years ago, before ignoring all and sundry. And I'd wager people weren't hostile then, as it was simply just another rep, where people here were more than civil when asking the most basic of questions.

I don't think that's entirely true. You are possibly forgetting one person. And damn, what a great guy he was too.


*To Playford

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It depends on what you believe happens when you log onto a game. If that is your own personal version, that nobody else can play, then yes it’s bound to make rtp eventually because the element of luck has been removed.

If, however, you believe that when you load the game, the way it plays depends on other players participating, then no, the chances of making rtp are extremely remote because luck is involved.

As I have stated previously, rtp would be based on trillions of spins on a game that has as many potential outcomes as Bonanza. You would literally need that many spins to achieve the mean average.

You really wouldn't need trillions of spins to be close to T-RTP, not at all.

If there was a game with a million possible outcomes, and all but one of those was zero pay, with the millionth outcome paying 960,000x stake (i.e. 96% RTP), then yes you would need a massive spin sample to see T-RTP achieved, because the volatility of that game is so astoundingly high. (You could very easily do ten million spins on that game, and have an RTP of 0%, because you hadn't hit the single result that pays 960,000x stake. But given trillions of spins, guess what, you'd be at 96% RTP.)

In reality of course, no such game exists, and Bonanza is a reasonably tame game in volatility terms, with loads of RTP and churn in the base game, and a feature that whilst pretty hard to hit, still turns up with reasonable regularity and has a fairly sensible range of pays.

I'd expect almost any 10,000 spin sample on Bonanza to be within ~10% of RTP, closer again for 100,000 spins, and by the time you get to a million spins, you'll be pretty much bang on, guaranteed, that's just maths. No need for trillions of spins, at all.

I honestly have no idea why anyone would design Bonanza to work the way you seem to think it does (and to be clear about this, they haven't), it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and would be an astonishing design nightmare, and the end result would be exactly the same anyway, it'd make its house edge of 4%,.

Calling BTG crooks and robbers and all the rest of it (as you do all the time) just speaks of being a sore loser.

 

[snorky510238]

So all the hardcore players that have probably done a million spins+, are adamant that the game has been significantly gimped, are all wrong and a player who admits to doing a handful of spins in comparison, is right.

Who’d have thought it.

 

[megadam]

You really wouldn't need trillions of spins to be close to T-RTP, not at all.

If there was a game with a million possible outcomes, and all but one of those was zero pay, with the millionth outcome paying 960,000x stake (i.e. 96% RTP), then yes you would need a massive spin sample to see T-RTP achieved, because the volatility of that game is so astoundingly high. (You could very easily do ten million spins on that game, and have an RTP of 0%, because you hadn't hit the single result that pays 960,000x stake. But given trillions of spins, guess what, you'd be at 96% RTP.)

In reality of course, no such game exists, and Bonanza is a reasonably tame game in volatility terms, with loads of RTP and churn in the base game, and a feature that whilst pretty hard to hit, still turns up with reasonable regularity and has a fairly sensible range of pays.

I'd expect almost any 10,000 spin sample on Bonanza to be within ~10% of RTP, closer again for 100,000 spins, and by the time you get to a million spins, you'll be pretty much bang on, guaranteed, that's just maths. No need for trillions of spins, at all.

I honestly have no idea why anyone would design Bonanza to work the way you seem to think it does (and to be clear about this, they haven't), it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and would be an astonishing design nightmare, and the end result would be exactly the same anyway, it'd make its house edge of 4%,.

Calling BTG crooks and robbers and all the rest of it (as you do all the time) just speaks of being a sore loser.

I think it's safe to call BTG crooks based on their previous exploits and behaviours, there's been plenty of examples...

 

[Jono777]

Chops, you know I like and respect you and your knowledge and experiences are invaluable in certain areas, as we all have our key strengths...

However, please take the blinkers off, this is experience and what we see and encounter during YEARS of play we are talking about.

What Bonanza did a couple of years back and what it does now when you sit and play the damn thing speaks volumes above and beyond and ADVERTISED RTP.

All the rules and what we're told are not what we get.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So all the hardcore players that have probably done a million spins+, are adamant that the game has been significantly gimped, are all wrong and a player who admits to doing a handful of spins in comparison, is right.

Who’d have thought it.

We've done this before, unless you're accusing BTG of 'gimping' Bonanza so it doesn't make its 96% RTP (which to be clear, would be a violation of the rules so huge the UKGC would bring down a fine upon them so large it could be seen from space with the naked eye), then all they can really muck about with is the distribution of RTP within the game, and its volatility.

No one really seems to think that the 1/460 feature frequency has been changed, the unusually large churn of RTP in the base game still seems to be there, so all that's left is the volatility of the feature, which could have been changed and yet in this very thread, and very recently too, we see some people having good runs, and some people having bad runs, which is precisely what we'd expect a random game with a 4% house edge to do.

Honestly snorky you've been huffing and puffing about this slot for ages now, at one point you claimed to have a damning dossier of evidence that would 'prove' the slot had been messed with in some sort of underhanded manner, but proof came there none.

The number of spins I've personally done on Bonanza really isn't relevant, maths and probability don't need people to believe in them, or not believe in them, they're just immutable facts.

You can talk about 'all the hardcore players' as much as you want, I'm curious as to how much of the worldwide player base of Bonanza you're aware of, communicating with, and know what their experiences are, because CM is just a very small subset of that, and even here, reported in this thread, some experiences are positive, and some are negative.

End of the day snorky, you got deeply involved with a random game with a generous house edge, and in the end you lost, same as the rest of us (myself included, what do you think my 1m+ game rounds at 3Dice have cost me?.....), that's the price of the game, and we should understand it before we get involved.

 

[aceking123]

The only slot I've ever achieved a million in spins is IR, I've never had 5 scatters, I've never had 5 wilds & I've never had 5 storm wilds. Yet I know over all sites since the game very first came out I'm at around 1million & a little more.

Choppers talks about games & rtp% which I do respect but the game play on overall is on a different landscape no where near what it was years ago.

As I have little experience on bonanza thankfully, I shall listen & read this thread so I'm up to date & I would confirm from the really experienced players that something is untoward on it.

 

[aceking123]

Choppers do you really think the UKGC gives a flying F about rtp%,we already know a hand full of games have been pulled because they didn't work properly. Alas nothing found from ukgc, it's the players which find them.

Name a fine produced or provided against any games company involving over rtp% or under rtp%, you will not find any they just pull the game. So a certified game clearly isn't really certificated as many mistakes happen. There is nothing stopping games being at 96% one day & then 50% as long as they can produce evidence on 10 million spins or whatever it is, we don't know the numbers & what's required.

 

[snorky510238]

Choppers, let’s get one thing straight. I am not moaning about losing. What I am moaning about is the manner of how I lost. The patterns are irrefutable when you have played as much as I have.

I played the game for 2-4 hours, virtually every single day for 4 years. In this period, I had a few spells that lasted a few weeks where it seemed like something was amiss but then it always turned around.

Then, all of a sudden I get 2 years solid of gameplay that was worse than anything I had ever experienced. Do you honestly think I should just accept that as bad luck and not question it?

 

[greylady]

Choppers, let’s get one thing straight. I am not moaning about losing. What I am moaning about is the manner of how I lost. The patterns are irrefutable when you have played as much as I have.

I played the game for 2-4 hours, virtually every single day for 4 years. In this period, I had a few spells that lasted a few weeks where it seemed like something was amiss but then it always turned around.

Then, all of a sudden I get 2 years solid of gameplay that was worse than anything I had ever experienced. Do you honestly think I should just accept that as bad luck and not question it?

Think yourself lucky I had about 3-4 years of horrendous play on Bonanza until a few nights ago. It's been stone cold since, even kindly gave me 96p in 17 spins tonight.

Boycott time again me thinks

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Choppers, let’s get one thing straight. I am not moaning about losing. What I am moaning about is the manner of how I lost. The patterns are irrefutable when you have played as much as I have.

I played the game for 2-4 hours, virtually every single day for 4 years. In this period, I had a few spells that lasted a few weeks where it seemed like something was amiss but then it always turned around.

Then, all of a sudden I get 2 years solid of gameplay that was worse than anything I had ever experienced. Do you honestly think I should just accept that as bad luck and not question it?

I think I'd stop playing something that was consistently kicking my arse and I thought was bent long before the two year mark.....

If the game stills make RTP then everything else is just hot air, even if the game has been changed (although no one can really seem to explain what that change actually is), as long as it still makes RTP it doesn't even remotely matter what else BTG have or haven't done to it.

And then once more we come round full circle to if the game makes RTP (spoiler alert - it does), then why even remotely bother to go to all the hassle of mucking about with it in the first place, because ultimately for every £1 staked on the game by all players, the house gets to keep 4p.

 

[snorky510238]

(spoiler alert - it does)

Proof required please.

 

[snorky510238]

why even remotely bother to go to all the hassle of mucking about with it in the first place, because ultimately for every £1 staked on the game by all players, the house gets to keep 4p.

If you can’t think of a reason, then I give up.

 

[interlog]

If this game has changed (and I haven't seen any evidence of it) and it still plays at its original RTP (again, I haven't seen any evidence that the RTP has changed on the game) then why would they have changed the volatility of it? It doesn't make any sense to do this at all.

As a matter of fact, I would have thought that casinos wouldn't like it because if you change the volatility to make the potential wins bigger, then the loss exposure for a casino would be greater. That in turn would see a reduction in the max stake (there are reasons why for example DOA II has such a relatively low max bet) the slot can be played on to reduce this exposure for the casino.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

The casinos have never had to worry about bonanza doing anything that may harm them financially.

Can’t see them reducing max stake to £5 through fear of a £1k feature anytime soon!!

Especially when it can take that on 80p just to give a fucking feature!!

 

[Kroffe]

Makes you wonder about games like Buffalo king, Peking luck (and many other)
Supposedly they have the capability of producing 93.000x/180.000x stake wins from a single spin, meaning they technically could deliver 500 000x+ wins during a bonus if a couple of those spins happened.

But these games you can play at silly stakes at many sites (not just curacao/crypto ones), stakes that i assume could ruin a casino if the impossible (well supposedly possible) were to happen and a 500 000x+ win was produced.
You would think that casinos that lower the max bet on Doa2 with its in comparison small max win to reduce the exposure would do the same for the slots that has unlimited potential.

So are these casinos really risking going out of business on a daily basis by allowing high stakes on those games or are those kinds of wins impossible meaning there is no risk.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Sessioning DOA2 again today Kroffe.

Any tips mate??

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

God damn it!!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Proof required please.

I'm not the one making wild-eyed claims that an incredibly popular, well established and certified game is bent/cheating/gimped, and run by 'crooks and robbers', the burden of proof rests with you.

You think places like VS don't have the numbers for a game like Bonanza? You think they're not keeping an eye on really popular games to make sure they're performing as expected?

If BTG and/or the casinos want to make more money out of Bonanza, all they need to do is re-release it with an RTP of 94% - job done.

 

[goatwack]

Games aren't geared towards regular players, they're made for streamers to sing, dance & lose their marbles over, so that others attempt to emulate them.

We see that more and more with modern slot design, and you can be sure that developers sought to replicate that on many of their older IP, where the variance has most definitely been made top-heavy so as to keep up with The Joneses.

These games aren't hardwired, but 'live', and so the notion that a company's incapable or unwilling to tweak gameplay via 'patches' is what's laughable, all the more so when none of these patches are ever fully disclosed.

Bonanza has always been absurdly unique in its behaviours, and so why wouldn't BTG, or rather Evolution, amend its variance, provided it falls within the 96% RTP parameters? Bonanza's likely fallen down the pecking order in both player base and streaming viability.

I'm sure it's possible to lose £20 in varying ways on the same game, and still be at the same RTP. And the accounts being heard post- Evolution takeover do indicate that THAT marked a significant change in gameplay, at complete odds with say 2016 Bonanza.

Given those players' hours and money invested, I tend to lean on their experience, as I'm sure their travails are valid and not simply borne out of boredom

 

[Kroffe]

Sessioning DOA2 again today Kroffe.

Any tips mate??

You should really be asking @bianchini82 when it comes to Doa2.
Im all about Asian weddings these days.

 

[interlog]

Games aren't geared towards regular players, they're made for streamers to sing, dance & lose their marbles over, so that others attempt to emulate them.

We see that more and more with modern slot design, and you can be sure that developers sought to replicate that on many of their older IP, where the variance has most definitely been made top-heavy so as to keep up with The Joneses.

These games aren't hardwired, but 'live', and so the notion that a company's incapable or unwilling to tweak gameplay via 'patches' is what's laughable, all the more so when none of these patches are ever fully disclosed.

Bonanza has always been absurdly unique in its behaviours, and so why wouldn't BTG, or rather Evolution, amend its variance, provided it falls within the 96% RTP parameters? Bonanza's likely fallen down the pecking order in both player base and streaming viability.

I'm sure it's possible to lose £20 in varying ways on the same game, and still be at the same RTP. And the accounts being heard post- Evolution takeover do indicate that THAT marked a significant change in gameplay, at complete odds with say 2016 Bonanza.

Given those players' hours and money invested, I tend to lean on their experience, as I'm sure their travails are valid and not simply borne out of boredom

But it hasn't played any different for me, and I have been playing the game since its release.

It will screw you over when it is in no mood to pay out, and you get the occasional good session on it. Granted, I haven't had a 14,000x win on it but then again, how many players have had a 13,200x win on DHV when I had?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Games aren't geared towards regular players, they're made for streamers to sing, dance & lose their marbles over, so that others attempt to emulate them.

We see that more and more with modern slot design, and you can be sure that developers sought to replicate that on many of their older IP, where the variance has most definitely been made top-heavy so as to keep up with The Joneses.

These games aren't hardwired, but 'live', and so the notion that a company's incapable or unwilling to tweak gameplay via 'patches' is what's laughable, all the more so when none of these patches are ever fully disclosed.

Bonanza has always been absurdly unique in its behaviours, and so why wouldn't BTG, or rather Evolution, amend its variance, provided it falls within the 96% RTP parameters? Bonanza's likely fallen down the pecking order in both player base and streaming viability.

I'm sure it's possible to lose £20 in varying ways on the same game, and still be at the same RTP. And the accounts being heard post- Evolution takeover do indicate that THAT marked a significant change in gameplay, at complete odds with say 2016 Bonanza.

Given those players' hours and money invested, I tend to lean on their experience, as I'm sure their travails are valid and not simply borne out of boredom

I've acknowledged multiples times that the game might have been changed, I don't have the personal experience to draw a conclusion one way or the other, something I've always been upfront about. I've made what I consider to be a decent case as to why it makes no sense for BTG to do so, and certainly not in the bizarre way snorky seems to think the game works.

From what I can see in this thread, we see some people doing well on it, and some people not doing well on it, just as you'd expect. (And I see interlog has just said the game seems to be playing the same for him as it always has done, and that he's been playing it since release. Is his experience with the game and opinion any less valid than snorky's?)

Something we can all agree on, I assume, is that as long as the game still makes RTP, BTG aren't doing anything wrong from a legal perspective, I'd agree it's a bit scummy from a moral/ethical - (lol, I mean, y'know, we do understand the space we're talking about here.....) - standpoint if they have done a bit of a bait & switch with a new version of the game, but yeah, they can totally do that.

 

[TheAddict]

Did ayone ever manage to hit the half a trillion ways on the Sky version with the bonus trigger, or whatever it was that some (Dunover & PMK mentioned it, iirc) said never happened while playing at Sky?
Just curious!

 

[brianmon]

I'm still doing ok with Bonanza, at least with the bonuses. I'm getting between 50x and 500x.
But the base game is terrible now.
Especially the recently updated version served from the MGS servers.

A balance of 100x stake would usually last for 30/45 minutes or even an hour.
Now, if you're really lucky you'll get 30 minutes (assuming you don't manage to get a bonus).

But you're more likely to get something like this

100x at 20p = 19 minutes

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

The NYX version does the same it just plays slower.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You won’t be my record of 400x stake down in under an hour at UNIBET.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Did ayone ever manage to hit the half a trillion ways on the Sky version with the bonus trigger, or whatever it was that some (Dunover & PMK mentioned it, iirc) said never happened while playing at Sky?
Just curious!

Sky now running NYX so you can hit scatters in max Megaways.

The openbet version they were running couldn’t produce scatters in max ways no.

 

[snorky510238]

From what I can see in this thread, we see some people doing well on it, and some people not doing well on it, just as you'd expect.

And the people that are doing well, are……….Well, they were here somewhere, hang on a minute, I’ll find them….No, I will honestly. They were literally…..here somewhere.

Yep, I think you’ll have to back about 2 years to find one of the aforementioned.

If you don’t think games get changed, can you explain exactly what is being done when a game gets an update? God knows what version of Bonanza we are on now but it’s had a fair few over the time. What legitimate things are they doing?

 

[interlog]

So here we have @snorky510238 asking others to disprove his theory that Bonanza has been gimped. In my world it is on the person that make assertions to prove those, not the other way round.

So @snorky510238 - what proof do you have that the game has been gimped or made to disadvantage the player beyond the advertised RTP. And you playing the game extensively since its release is not good enough, because others have played it since release too that haven't been affected as you have claimed to be.

 

[Jono777]

I hate when these threads get like this as I want everyone to get along, sadly not going to happen.

Anyway, not taking sides either way but sharing my experiences.

Over the past couple of years...

50x+ base game hits lot less often
cascading 'D' even rarer than it was
bonuses which upon release seemed a tad more widespread but DID often deliver a decent one, say 300-500x
20 - 40x bonuses as we see today were rare a couple of years back
blocking rows of the same symbol (mostly red rubies) a lot more in place these days
+5 still seen but rarer

summary: Game has been gimped,

If i could have every wage of every job in a lump sum, I'd confidently stake the lot double or bust that this game has been fucked up and does not pay 96%, might say it does but no fucking way!

People call BTG* crooks, maybe they're not but they sure are dodgy and up to something

*/Evo

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Cascading D even rarer for some but not others!!!

 

[Jono777]

Cascading D even rarer for some but not others!!!

Yeah, does seem to be a link, think I'll change my name to 'D'ono

His videos are good to watch but from what I read on here not a true reflection of what everyone else is getting.

 

[CongoGB]

I hate when these threads get like this as I want everyone to get along, sadly not going to happen.

Anyway, not taking sides either way but sharing my experiences.

Over the past couple of years...

50x+ base game hits lot less often
cascading 'D' even rarer than it was
bonuses which upon release seemed a tad more widespread but DID often deliver a decent one, say 300-500x
20 - 40x bonuses as we see today were rare a couple of years back
blocking rows of the same symbol (mostly red rubies) a lot more in place these days
+5 still seen but rarer

summary: Game has been gimped,

If i could have every wage of every job in a lump sum, I'd confidently stake the lot double or bust that this game has been fucked up and does not pay 96%, might say it does but no fucking way!

People call BTG* crooks, maybe they're not but they sure are dodgy and up to something

*/Evo

And on the other hand - I've not really found any difference in the game over the years. In fact, over the past few months, I'm getting more D's than normal, including cascades.

But this'll get ignored as is doesn't feed into snorky's ever growing madness. Or because I don't post as often as some, I can't be as hardcore a player as others...

 

[Jono777]

And on the other hand - I've not really found any difference in the game over the years. In fact, over the past few months, I'm getting more D's than normal, including cascades.

But this'll get ignored as is doesn't feed into snorky's ever growing madness. Or because I don't post as often as some, I can't be as hardcore a player as others...

I'm quite the opposite of hardcore mate, just mentioning things I've picked up on over past couple of years that's all

 

[CongoGB]

I'm quite the opposite of hardcore mate, just mentioning things I've picked up on over past couple of years that's all

I'm not having a go at you in any way mate, but little posts like that are what's picked up on by snorky as being "truth", whereas the opposite view is always, always ignored.

I said it before a week or so ago, but I wish people would just stop the craziness that has been going on for, what, 4 years now? Put that time and effort into something, anything more worthwhile and just give it a break on here.

Wondering why this thread has gone mega quiet in the past few years as to what it was? That's why. Not because nobody is playing or getting decent wins - people just don't want to post in this toxic mess any more. And the small number of mega hardcore players have just gone off and done something else with their time.

Anyway, that's my thoughts done with! Going off to do better things!

 

[Reelsoffun]

I will be honest I too have not seen or noticed a big trend to it being worse, but out of curiosity i thought I would check......... its no secret that I log all my bonuses....... so lets look.... my last one hundred bonuses on bonanza have yielded an average of............ wait for it............ 99x pretty much where its always been for me.

Of course this dont prove anything either way but for me, my data is showing little change if any.

 

[interlog]

Q: How mch does a bonus buy on Bonanza cost?

A: 80x stake

Doesn't that tell you enough?

 

[goatwack]

I don't think it's about post count or how hardcore a player is on a certain game, but noticing and subsequently airing one's personal findings with a game. I could just as easily claim I'd spent numerous hours per day slotting, since discovering slotting, and that my latter play was predominantly Bonanza- based.

This would then give way to me being able to opine on the game's wondrous workings through experience, and having invested a significant portion of time and of course money to this endeavour.

People are free to make up their own mind on the game, it's not for anyone to dissuade others to cease playing Bonanza fortwith. If the game works for the individual, then all the better for it. But much like Brexit, the dos and do nots aren't ever likely to come together in one big agreement orgy, are they!

 

[cncas2123]

If you look at my posts over the years it was always a pile off shite, dead bonus after dead bonus with the rare exception once every 3 or 4 months.
I could never understand how some could get 500 x as a matter of course time after time.
But it changed a while back for me a few months back with a 5,000 x base game hit .
On a break for 6 months but can be sure it’s going to be playing it’s normal crap when I go back .
So for me it hasn’t changed over the years it was always a pile of crap that roped you in with potential potential potential but always failed to deliver.