New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[snorky510238]

So here we have @snorky510238 asking others to disprove his theory that Bonanza has been gimped. In my world it is on the person that make assertions to prove those, not the other way round.

So @snorky510238 - what proof do you have that the game has been gimped or made to disadvantage the player beyond the advertised RTP. And you playing the game extensively since its release is not good enough, because others have played it since release too that haven't been affected as you have claimed to be.

Have they done enough spins? I am not being funny but there are only 3 or 4 games that I feel qualified to make judgements upon because I have done well over a million spins on each.

There are also plenty of players other than myself who claim it’s changed dramatically. Some people are more susceptible to noticing things than others.

 

[snorky510238]

And on the other hand - I've not really found any difference in the game over the years. In fact, over the past few months, I'm getting more D's than normal, including cascades.

But this'll get ignored as is doesn't feed into snorky's ever growing madness. Or because I don't post as often as some, I can't be as hardcore a player as others...

Well you haven’t told us much about your Bonanza background in the past so I don’t know if you’ve done 10,000 or 1,000,000 spins.

Sorry but anyone who’s done less than a million hasn’t got a big enough sample.

Just to ask a question that seems fair in my eyes. All and sundry are pretty much in agreement that games such as IR, Raging Rhino and Thunderstruck, amongst others do not play anything like they used to.

Why is it that I have never seen anyone challenge that theory? But, when it comes to this (and it’s not a theory, it’s the truth), I get loads of people saying I am mad and deluded?

Everyone saying games are regulated and audited. You don’t know that for a fact and if you did, you can’t verify how authentic these checks are.

No, you’re just taking it as read, preaching, from what’s been preached to yourselves. All this stuff you keep bringing up about why would they do this, why do that? Because there’s a shitload of money to be made, that’s why. Wouldn’t be the first time that an organisation that seemingly already had wealth only most can dream of, got a bit greedy and wanted a bit more.

Especially when they can get away with it. Look at all these Casinos that receive huge fines for failing to comply in one form or another. They know they’re doing wrong, they were doing it for years. Do you really think they would be that stupid to carry on if the fine wasn’t worth the risk?

 

[goatwack]

Everyone: list your Bonanza CV

Years played: 4.5

No. of spins: under one million, maybe more

No. of big wins: 3ish

Suspicion of skulduggery: Hell yes

 

[interlog]

Well you haven’t told us much about your Bonanza background in the past so I don’t know if you’ve done 10,000 or 1,000,000 spins.

Sorry but anyone who’s done less than a million hasn’t got a big enough sample.

Just to ask a question that seems fair in my eyes. All and sundry are pretty much in agreement that games such as IR, Raging Rhino and Thunderstruck, amongst others do not play anything like they used to.

Why is it that I have never seen anyone challenge that theory? But, when it comes to this (and it’s not a theory, it’s the truth), I get loads of people saying I am mad and deluded?

Everyone saying games are regulated and audited. You don’t know that for a fact and if you did, you can’t verify how authentic these checks are.

No, you’re just taking it as read, preaching, from what’s been preached to yourselves. All this stuff you keep bringing up about why would they do this, why do that? Because there’s a shitload of money to be made, that’s why. Wouldn’t be the first time that an organisation that seemingly already had wealth only most can dream of, got a bit greedy and wanted a bit more.

Especially when they can get away with it. Look at all these Casinos that receive huge fines for failing to comply in one form or another. They know they’re doing wrong, they were doing it for years. Do you really think they would be that stupid to carry on if the fine wasn’t worth the risk?

Well with that kind of attitude towards casinos / game developers the questions begs why not take up another hobby such as knitting

 

[snorky510238]

Well with that kind of attitude towards casinos / game developers the questions begs why not take up another hobby such as knitting

I did but the Company was selling me dodgy wool.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I did but the Company was selling me dodgy wool.

That just about sums it up.

Everything is a rip-off and designed to break faster than it goes out of date.

The cost of a pint is blooming extortionate, but people still drink it because they enjoy it. Same with slots and most other things that bring pleasure in life - you would rather keep flogging a dead horse for the small satisfaction it brings than quit. Otherwise, you gotta find a new hobby to be discontented with because greed sucks the quality out of it.

By the way, my Bonanza pronouns are 'they, them and DDDDD's', and I like to be referred to as D on Mondays because I identify as a slot machine, just on Mondays.

 

[Full tilt]

If being a good snooker player is the sign of a misspent youth then being a Bonanza millionaire (spins) must signify a misspent adulthood!

I’ve played Bonanza almost daily for 5 years from 2017 to 2022 when I returned to playing online after a 5 year hiatus, and it was my go to game when signing up at a new casino and trying to beat wagering.

The way the game seems to have changed in my view is the frequency and quality of bonuses: years back you’d be looking at 100X plus bonuses regularly although they seemed harder to land. I’ve never had so many sub 10X bonuses as I’ve had the last year or so and I’ll often go a month now without playing it.

Regarding updates in my own personal experience I find it will go dead for a week or so after some revisions; almost as though it‘s building up its RTP from zero again before it loosens up. I’ve noticed with the latest version the amount of times it will throw in the LD together to give the feature after a cascade which happened very rarely years back.

 

[snorky510238]

If being a good snooker player is the sign of a misspent youth then being a Bonanza millionaire (spins) must signify a misspent adulthood!

I’ve played Bonanza almost daily for 5 years from 2017 to 2022 when I returned to playing online after a 5 year hiatus, and it was my go to game when signing up at a new casino and trying to beat wagering.

The way the game seems to have changed in my view is the frequency and quality of bonuses: years back you’d be looking at 100X plus bonuses regularly although they seemed harder to land. I’ve never had so many sub 10X bonuses as I’ve had the last year or so and I’ll often go a month now without playing it.

Regarding updates in my own personal experience I find it will go dead for a week or so after some revisions; almost as though it‘s building up its RTP from zero again before it loosens up. I’ve noticed with the latest version the amount of times it will throw in the LD together to give the feature after a cascade which happened very rarely years back.

Good to see someone who is in touch with reality. This is pretty much exactly what I have seen.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And yet the guy who actually has some data as opposed to 'feelings' checks his numbers and finds no change. (Reelsoffun a few posts back.)

 

[snorky510238]

Q: How mch does a bonus buy on Bonanza cost?

A: 80x stake

Doesn't that tell you enough?

Yes, it means that according to most, the average bonus pays x100 so that must be wrong and is obviously far less.

 

[dunover]

Yes, it means that according to most, the average bonus pays x100 so that must be wrong and is obviously far less.

It's 90x bet.

 

[mack341]

I think it might have been in another thread but Reelsoffun was explaining how the typical number of spins in a session can fall short of getting that big win and your rtp back up [in the individual session].

So I think evolution/btg can just play with parameters, shift rtp into pointless micro wins and also take out the middle sized wins and put them into rarer wins, which fall outside the typical spin count of a session.

The general size of the 'megaways' number in the bonus round now feels gimped, rarely goes above 5,000 and often less than 2,000.

Whereas I think the original release was a lot 'wilder' and unpredictable, they've tamed it and pruned it to make it more profitable for the casino [and therefore slot maker] while still hitting 96% rtp give or take 2%.

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Though unrelated, I heard recently that the software experts at Twitter were unable to work out why the twitter algorithm resulted in Elon Musk's tweets being repressed, simply could not locate and unpick the part in the algorithim responsible for that behaviour in order to fix it.

Which made me think the ukgc would not have a clue about the programs of these slots, and a 'networked' industry working to protect itself could probably hoodwink them.

I think I did post somewhere last year about the rules regarding testing and test houses having to be toughened up, proposals to that end. To eliminate or reduce any chance of chicanery, through lack of real independence as an example.

 

[Jono777]

I think it might have been in another thread but Reelsoffun was explaining how the typical number of spins in a session can fall short of getting that big win and your rtp back up [in the individual session].

So I think evolution/btg can just play with parameters, shift rtp into pointless micro wins and also take out the middle sized wins and put them into rarer wins, which fall outside the typical spin count of a session.

The general size of the 'megaways' number in the bonus round now feels gimped, rarely goes above 5,000 and often less than 2,000.

Whereas I think the original release was a lot 'wilder' and unpredictable, they've tamed it and pruned it to make it more profitable for the casino [and therefore slot maker] while still hitting 96% rtp give or take 2%.

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Though unrelated, I heard recently that the software experts at Twitter were unable to work out why the twitter algorithm resulted in Elon Musk's tweets being repressed, simply could not locate and unpick the part in the algorithim responsible for that behaviour in order to fix it.

Which made me think the ukgc would not have a clue about anything at all

I think I did post somewhere last year about the rules regarding testing and test houses having to be toughened up, proposals to that end. To eliminate or reduce any chance of chicanery, through lack of real independence as an example.

Good post matey but had to make a slight but important amendment

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's 90x bet.

Which at 96% RTP, works out to what Bonanza's feature has historically always paid on average, 86x bet.

 

[ritae]

Well well, Bonanza delivered today! 1940X!

Imagine a diamond on the first reel

 

[dunover]

Well well, Bonanza delivered today! 1940X!

Imagine a diamond on the first reel

Yep, a diamond for one of those 10's on reel 1 or other non-green gem, extra 4800x on the spin.

 

[StuLawre]

I've had some great hits the last couple of weeks and am well up....I play £100-£200 a day (similar to Dazza's strategy) and I must be one of the few who it is kind to! I get a lot of 30-50x bonuses, but nearly lost my iPad to the wall the other day when a £2 bonus paid £3.60....but you can't have it all. Playing it as much as I do though, I do agree-there has been a definite shift in the dynamics of the game this last week. Long runs of dead spins (I actually had 27 dead on the bounce yesterday) a lot fewer 'L's dropping (used to average 10 per £100, £1 spins) but now it's more like 5 or 6. The reel make-ups seem to offer more ways but less wins and the cascade wins have gone right down. Anyhoo, thats just my feelings. I probably do a good couple of thousand spins a day.

 

[Reelsoffun]

It's 90x bet.

That’s assuming that the bonus buy version is identical to the non bonus buy version and that the features are played out exactly the same way, which isn’t usually the case and is why bonus buys tend to be slightly different overall RTP as I’m uk i can’t see what they say the RTP is for the bonus buy version.

 

[dunover]

That’s assuming that the bonus buy version is identical to the non bonus buy version and that the features are played out exactly the same way, which isn’t usually the case and is why bonus buys tend to be slightly different overall RTP as I’m uk i can’t see what they say the RTP is for the bonus buy version.

It's 96.00% normal play, 96.11% using only bonus buys.

 

[Reelsoffun]

It's 96.00% normal play, 96.11% using only bonus buys

As expected, just confirms that when your buying a bonus its not actually the same as triggering one naturally, which is OK to me i understand it has to be like that, but many players wont understand that and this is where the problem lies in transparency. IMO there should be disclaimers in the help file of any game where the feature buy bonus does not have the exact same chance or distribution of a normally triggered bonus.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

As expected, just confirms that when your buying a bonus its not actually the same as triggering one naturally, which is OK to me i understand it has to be like that, but many players wont understand that and this is where the problem lies in transparency. IMO there should be disclaimers in the help file of any game where the feature buy bonus does not have the exact same chance or distribution of a normally triggered bonus.

Is that what it means though? It could just mean that there's a win/wins in the basegame distribution that simply doesn't exist in the bonus buy pool that means the overall RTP is tweaked a bit. I've seen it happen at 3Dice whereby their game tweaks (which do come with entirely transparent patch notes you have to click through the first time you play the game after the changes have been made), explain what the changes are, and why the RTP has changed slightly. (On Gemini they put in a bigger max prize by tweaking the reels that actually increased the RTP a bit, whereas on Berrini's Fortune they made the three scatters trigger a bit 'softer' to reduce the chance of a zero pay, but that actually dropped the game's overall RTP a bit.)

I completely agree with you that any changes to the profile/volatility of a game should be communicated to players, even if the overall RTP remains unchanged, but I'm not sure how we can conclude that a Bonanza bonus buy is different to a naturally triggered bonus, and why BTG would even want to go to the effort of doing so?

 

[Reelsoffun]

"It could just mean that there's a win/wins in the basegame distribution that simply doesn't exist in the bonus buy pool"

Well of course as there is NO base wins in the bonus buy pool.

Well something has to be different due to buy bonus is only a fixed 12 spins natural one is a 12,17,22,27 trigger etc.

Of course the fact its only 90x (86.5x) factoring in the HE it does fit in with the possible removal of the 17+ spin triggers but that in itself also proves they are not the same entirely, so im still saying that there is no guarantee that its using the exact same feature math.

Yes they could effectively force a re trigger to balance what the "normal" one would have produced but were told each spin is independent, so they using a pool or not? which is it? it can't be both.....I doubt they doing that either.

Im not saying its wrong that they are not the same, Im just saying people need to realize that its not going to be case most of the time, the math is probably different. It will still be the RTP stated.

You're gonna lose 4% either way lol

LOL sorry but why would they bother doing so? To make a new game of course come on chops you know me better than that, but you saying why would they bother is like saying why would any provider go to all that trouble to make any new game?

 

[dunover]

As expected, just confirms that when your buying a bonus its not actually the same as triggering one naturally, which is OK to me i understand it has to be like that, but many players wont understand that and this is where the problem lies in transparency. IMO there should be disclaimers in the help file of any game where the feature buy bonus does not have the exact same chance or distribution of a normally triggered bonus.

It's a deviation of 0.11% or in other words about 1/999th greater than playing normally.

 

[slot_zombie]

Riddle me this...

Why is it on some casinos, fast spin on Bonanza means a win is coming, a slow spin is a dead spin.

On other sites it's a complete opposite and you are looking for the slow spin. The fast spin = dead spin.

 

[snorky510238]

Yep, shite once you learn the quirks. Well, shite in any case but you know what I mean. Why would you program it that way?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Presumably that comes from the server side??

Nothing more annoying than seeing the GOL on the front 3 reels after you’ve watched the top spin and knowing it’s not landing.

Same with the cascades.

Or of course the sites that display balance outside of the game and it updates straight away before the game balance.

 

[slot_zombie]

the sites that display balance outside of the game and it updates straight away before the game balance.

Not for Bonanza surely, the rep was adamant that each and every spin was determined randomly from the server, one at a time.

 

[hogexd]

910x on base game. Tons of red gems. No bonuses on that session tho

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yea I meant each spin, both during base play and feature.

Not the entire feature win crediting before it’s finished. Nowhere does that because as stated each spin is a random spin within the feature.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Free tenner of virgin daily free game ended up withdrawing £90

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For a game that's absolutely definitely been gimped by a collections of robbers, crooks and thieves, a fair few folks still seem to be getting some decent results out of it.

 

[snorky510238]

For a game that's absolutely definitely been gimped by a collections of robbers, crooks and thieves, a fair few folks still seem to be getting some decent results out of it.

I am fairly sure, that’s about 8 decent hits that have been posted, on the last 128 pages. If you call that decent, you’re even more deluded than I thought.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I am fairly sure, that’s about 8 decent hits that have been posted, on the last 128 pages. If you call that decent, you’re even more deluded than I thought.

Delusion and 'having a different opinion' are not the same thing. You're the one chucking out endless (baseless) accusations of all sorts of nefarious behaviour going on at BTG and with regards to Bonanza. Where's that big dossier of evidence you keep saying you have that 'proves' it's been changed/gimped/beats up grannies for their pensions?

The one person here who does actually track their stats, and religiously at that (@Reelsoffun ) reports that his numbers haven't changed at all over the years.

 

[mack341]

For the amount it's still played [helped also by a lot of other games being officially moved to 94% rtp] we should be seeing many more screenshots - if the core maths/variance etc...are the same as the original.

I remember in the first month of playing it [at william hill, but they didn't have it straightaway when it was released iirc] I had two 500x all the ways screens of gems.

Maybe these crafty programmers front load more rtp at the start, get players hooked on the memories of great potential, and then gradually recover/target the rtp average by closing the tap [via the algorithms]?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For the amount it's still played [helped also by a lot of other games being officially moved to 94% rtp] we should be seeing many more screenshots - if the core maths/variance etc...are the same as the original.

I remember in the first month of playing it [at william hill, but they didn't have it straightaway when it was released iirc] I had two 500x all the ways screens of gems.

Maybe these crafty programmers front load more rtp at the start, get players hooked on the memories of great potential, and then gradually recover/target the rtp average by closing the tap [via the algorithms]?

But as ever mack, why even remotely bother to do that if the RTP is still 96%? The problem is, IMO, that people think far too small about these things, and focus too much on their own experiences, or the experiences of people here at CM, which is, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny, tiny subset of people who are playing the game.

The amount of hassle involved from a development perspective, and the risk for that matter too, of doing anything like you're suggesting there makes zero sense, literally zero sense.

If BTG want to make more money out of Bonanza, they just replace it with a 94% version. Bosh, job done, house edge increases by 50%.

 

[mack341]

But as ever mack, why even remotely bother to do that if the RTP is still 96%? The problem is, IMO, that people think far too small about these things, and focus too much on their own experiences, or the experiences of people here at CM, which is, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny, tiny subset of people who are playing the game.

The amount of hassle involved from a development perspective, and the risk for that matter too, of doing anything like you're suggesting there makes zero sense, literally zero sense.

If BTG want to make more money out of Bonanza, they just replace it with a 94% version. Bosh, job done, house edge increases by 50%.

Bonanza players would desert it in droves then Chop.

Slots use to be a competitive market, so you had to do something to make a splash, I'm not sure the firms and programmers are such boyscouts they wouldn't contemplate a bit of extra manipulation.

You could say well other firms would suss it out and grass them up, but then they also seem to have no problem when other firms make virtual copies of their games.

I have no independent, direct proof of this theory or any other. If you look at a big firm like Apple, under the constant gaze of techies and real enthusiasts, and they still try various tricks [and subsequent excuses] to increase sales and profits. All these slot firms have to really worry about is the ukgc, whose predecessor never even either discovered or got to grips with the slot machine exploits.

 

[Jono777]

What amazes me, na forget it....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Bonanza players would desert it in droves then Chop.

Slots use to be a competitive market, so you had to do something to make a splash, I'm not sure the firms and programmers are such boyscouts they wouldn't contemplate a bit of extra manipulation.

You could say well other firms would suss it out and grass them up, but then they also seem to have no problem when other firms make virtual copies of their games.

I have no independent, direct proof of this theory or any other. If you look at a big firm like Apple, under the constant gaze of techies and real enthusiasts, and they still try various tricks [and subsequent excuses] to increase sales and profits. All these slot firms have to really worry about is the ukgc, whose predecessor never even either discovered or got to grips with the slot machine exploits.

Yes I remember when folks said VS would go under if they started dropping their RTPs because everyone would stop playing there

Bonanza makes its 96% RTP, it always has done, it always will do, maybe BTG have mucked about with the volatility within the limited parameters available to them, but when all is said and done for every £1 staked on the game, 4p is taken off as the house edge. (@trancemonkey seems to have given up on this thread a long time ago, last input I can remember from him is basically, 'No, they haven't changed it'.)

4% as a house edge is really generous, that's a great edge for the house, especially when compared to traditional card games or single zero roulette. Jacks Or Better Poker for example comes in at 99.54%, single zero roulette comes in at 98.65%, slots are already the deal of the century for the casino. All they have to do is get their maths right and they're creaming off 4%, on average, from every single game round - you really think they even need to remotely muck about with all the nonsense that's being promulgated in this thread?

Anyone who thinks BTG are up to anything they're being accused of in this thread needs to get out of the online slotting game immediately. If someone says, 'I think these games are bent, I think they've gimped them, I think they cheat and/or are compensated, I think they're cheating me' and then resolves never to play them again, and sticks to that, I will respect that position, I disagree with it, but I respect it.

But if you honestly think any of this stuff is actually happening, and you carry on playing online slots, then seriously, with the best will in the world, give your head a wobble.

 

[mack341]

4% as a house edge is really generous, that's a great edge for the house, especially when compared to traditional card games or single zero roulette.

And yet most of the industry has switched tons of games to 94% rtp or less, even big boys like william hill. As the player revenue drops [gamstop, sows, cost of living etc..] the margins have to increase to match previous years' profit levels.

I have a different outlook to you in that I don't rule it out and am open to discussing it as a topic/theory. One piece of 'official' slots advice is every spin is independent, doesn't matter if you've just won 5000x in a bonus round, but if you follow this advice on bonanza and play on after a rare big win you'll never make a withdrawal!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

2 words Dazza Geeeeeeeeee!!!!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

William Hill also has barely any games running at 94% except those that they can’t control.

Shit show of a place to play slots in general.

Betting wise it’s ok.

 

[snorky510238]

Yes I remember when folks said VS would go under if they started dropping their RTPs because everyone would stop playing there

Bonanza makes its 96% RTP, it always has done, it always will do, maybe BTG have mucked about with the volatility within the limited parameters available to them, but when all is said and done for every £1 staked on the game, 4p is taken off as the house edge. (@trancemonkey seems to have given up on this thread a long time ago, last input I can remember from him is basically, 'No, they haven't changed it'.)

4% as a house edge is really generous, that's a great edge for the house, especially when compared to traditional card games or single zero roulette. Jacks Or Better Poker for example comes in at 99.54%, single zero roulette comes in at 98.65%, slots are already the deal of the century for the casino. All they have to do is get their maths right and they're creaming off 4%, on average, from every single game round - you really think they even need to remotely muck about with all the nonsense that's being promulgated in this thread?

Anyone who thinks BTG are up to anything they're being accused of in this thread needs to get out of the online slotting game immediately. If someone says, 'I think these games are bent, I think they've gimped them, I think they cheat and/or are compensated, I think they're cheating me' and then resolves never to play them again, and sticks to that, I will respect that position, I disagree with it, but I respect it.

But if you honestly think any of this stuff is actually happening, and you carry on playing online slots, then seriously, with the best will in the world, give your head a wobble.

Why do you even bother investing so much time posting about a game your not even qualified to judge.

Go and play a million spins, then I might take some notice of your opinion.

Why don’t you go and do something more useful, like sit on a cactus?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Tbf I don’t recall people saying VS would go under once they lowered RTP but I do recall people making videos about it saying it was shady as fuck and they wouldn’t be returning, only to do so months later.

Anybody who gives a coin to their games or any other site that runs such games under top RTP is a fucking moron imo and only encourages sites that do it to get away with it.

As for bonanza, it’s always had the ability to fuck u over hard and for prolonged periods. As I’ve stated many times before, some of us witnessed it first hand over and over again back 4 years ago. Others didn’t.

 

[snorky510238]

As for bonanza, it’s always had the ability to fuck u over hard and for prolonged periods. As I’ve stated many times before, some of us witnessed it first hand over and over again back 4 years ago. Others didn’t.

And just how would that be possible, on a so called random game?

Exactly how would it be possible for us both to be playing the game, every single day and you get stuffed time and again and I not get stuffed?

You also carried on playing it despite apparently having endured many instances where you got completely stuffed. You then stopped playing it when it went to a new level of stuffing you so you admitted seeing a change, no?

There is absolutely an enormous amount of skullduggery that has gone on with Bonanza. It is 100% a million miles from the game it was originally. If it still makes the stated rtp, who knows (but I highly doubt it does).

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Again as I’ve said before I questioned you a few years back asking just how the fuck you were running so well? Seemingly lucking out on endless features with rare ones that were shitters.

I was tearing my hair out at ur endless screenshots while I was pounding away getting mauled for long periods. Thinking why isn’t this happening to him? Obv not every session I had was like this but numerous 500-1000x deposits without a feature. This was several years ago not after the alleged change.

You at the time were saying I shouldn’t be hammering away when it’s fucked and move on to another casino saying you could tell when it was in the mood. Of course I would get the odd session that would improve on the situation. But yeah I felt I was playing a different game to some.

The point where I gave it a rest was the worse I had ever known. The beatings id taken were unbearable. I had to leave it. But these were just a bit worse and a bit longer running to what I’d already seen. I really am talking shocking figures that regular players of even bonanza wouldn’t believe were even possible.

At no point will you ever have witnessed me stating the game has been gimped. I’ve raged about it many times, called it every name under the sun. We all moan about various games, I mean there are games I won’t even entertain doing a single spin on.

I’m a fairly astute better of football and horses in all markets. I won’t go into detail but it gives me a few extra quid on top of my salary. I STILL do play bonanza but not anywhere near as much and for what it’s worth as somebody who has probably done more spins on the game than anyone I’m not really seeing any different to when I stopped the regular play a while back. I lost my head on it once and went after it with my ‘own’ money after a disastrous session with just one feature. After the best part of a grand on 60/80p for just 3 features it was a massive reminder on why there are so many reasons that other games are more suitable for me to attack. I can’t think of any game that would take all that money for just 3 shitty features. Absolutely disgusting imo. BUT it was nothing I hadn’t seen before and was a harsh reminder of why I left it.

I advise you do the same if you haven’t already. But imo it’s just doing stuff it was capable of doing many years ago.

I can’t explain why you went from king to pauper on the game. The problem is that if you run so well on things for so long and then get the other end of the variance then of course you are gonna cry wolf and I understand that.

Who killed the Essex boys?? The only people that really know are in the ground.

Has bonanza been changed? The only people that really know can’t really be trusted and wouldn’t tell us anyway!!

We can debate all day long but we will never get to the bottom of it, even if there is a bottom to get to.

I have about 1.5k profit from Cheltenham to waste. Should I load it up or stick to my prags? Which incidentally are far superior games win or lose.

Good luck everyone and happy slotting.

 

[snorky510238]

The thing that I find frustrating is that when I ask a valid question, the people who are shouting from the rooftops “the game is straight”, totally ignore it and go off at a tangent.

I asked a few posts back. If providers are not changing the way a game plays, when it’s taken down and patched, then what exactly are they doing. Not one answer to that question, despite several people claiming to be the guru of slotting knowledge.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The thing that I find frustrating is that when I ask a valid question, the people who are shouting from the rooftops “the game is straight”, totally ignore it and go off at a tangent.

I asked a few posts back. If providers are not changing the way a game plays, when it’s taken down and patched, then what exactly are they doing. Not one answer to that question, despite several people claiming to be the guru of slotting knowledge.

A game can require a patch for all kinds of reasons that doesn't change the game itself. I'm sure we all remember when slots used to run on Flash, and that doesn't even exist anymore, so anything getting taken forward had to be remade for HTML5.

Online slots have to run on a massive range of hardware and operating systems, browsers, phones, tablets, PCs, all of which have a constantly evolving landscape in terms of security, features, what they require for compatibility, and so on. Add on the fact that slots need to integrate with a huge array of different providers, and if anything it's hard to imagine that they won't need to be patched/updated over time to keep them running well, or indeed at all.

Any of us using Windows as our operating system are entirely familiar with them wanting to update themselves all the bloody time, despite the fact that nothing about how we use them or want to use them changes one little bit.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Apparently it’s to do with operating systems like windows, IOS etc updates.

Along with graphical changes/smoothness and any bugs etc.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Ahh at the same time chop!

 

[snorky510238]

Then why don’t game providers forward exactly what is being done for transparency, if it’s nothing untoward?