New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

Presumably that comes from the server side??

Nothing more annoying than seeing the GOL on the front 3 reels after you’ve watched the top spin and knowing it’s not landing.

Same with the cascades.

Or of course the sites that display balance outside of the game and it updates straight away before the game balance.
 
Big Time Gaming is reviewed by Casinomeister - read our review and comment here in this forum thread.
For a game that's absolutely definitely been gimped by a collections of robbers, crooks and thieves, a fair few folks still seem to be getting some decent results out of it.
 
For a game that's absolutely definitely been gimped by a collections of robbers, crooks and thieves, a fair few folks still seem to be getting some decent results out of it.
I am fairly sure, that’s about 8 decent hits that have been posted, on the last 128 pages. If you call that decent, you’re even more deluded than I thought.
 
I am fairly sure, that’s about 8 decent hits that have been posted, on the last 128 pages. If you call that decent, you’re even more deluded than I thought.

Delusion and 'having a different opinion' are not the same thing. You're the one chucking out endless (baseless) accusations of all sorts of nefarious behaviour going on at BTG and with regards to Bonanza. Where's that big dossier of evidence you keep saying you have that 'proves' it's been changed/gimped/beats up grannies for their pensions?

The one person here who does actually track their stats, and religiously at that (@Reelsoffun ) reports that his numbers haven't changed at all over the years.
 
For the amount it's still played [helped also by a lot of other games being officially moved to 94% rtp] we should be seeing many more screenshots - if the core maths/variance etc...are the same as the original.

I remember in the first month of playing it [at william hill, but they didn't have it straightaway when it was released iirc] I had two 500x all the ways screens of gems.

Maybe these crafty programmers front load more rtp at the start, get players hooked on the memories of great potential, and then gradually recover/target the rtp average by closing the tap [via the algorithms]?
 
For the amount it's still played [helped also by a lot of other games being officially moved to 94% rtp] we should be seeing many more screenshots - if the core maths/variance etc...are the same as the original.

I remember in the first month of playing it [at william hill, but they didn't have it straightaway when it was released iirc] I had two 500x all the ways screens of gems.

Maybe these crafty programmers front load more rtp at the start, get players hooked on the memories of great potential, and then gradually recover/target the rtp average by closing the tap [via the algorithms]?

But as ever mack, why even remotely bother to do that if the RTP is still 96%? The problem is, IMO, that people think far too small about these things, and focus too much on their own experiences, or the experiences of people here at CM, which is, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny, tiny subset of people who are playing the game.

The amount of hassle involved from a development perspective, and the risk for that matter too, of doing anything like you're suggesting there makes zero sense, literally zero sense.

If BTG want to make more money out of Bonanza, they just replace it with a 94% version. Bosh, job done, house edge increases by 50%.
 
But as ever mack, why even remotely bother to do that if the RTP is still 96%? The problem is, IMO, that people think far too small about these things, and focus too much on their own experiences, or the experiences of people here at CM, which is, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny, tiny subset of people who are playing the game.

The amount of hassle involved from a development perspective, and the risk for that matter too, of doing anything like you're suggesting there makes zero sense, literally zero sense.

If BTG want to make more money out of Bonanza, they just replace it with a 94% version. Bosh, job done, house edge increases by 50%.

Bonanza players would desert it in droves then Chop.

Slots use to be a competitive market, so you had to do something to make a splash, I'm not sure the firms and programmers are such boyscouts they wouldn't contemplate a bit of extra manipulation.

You could say well other firms would suss it out and grass them up, but then they also seem to have no problem when other firms make virtual copies of their games.

I have no independent, direct proof of this theory or any other. If you look at a big firm like Apple, under the constant gaze of techies and real enthusiasts, and they still try various tricks [and subsequent excuses] to increase sales and profits. All these slot firms have to really worry about is the ukgc, whose predecessor never even either discovered or got to grips with the slot machine exploits.
 
Bonanza players would desert it in droves then Chop.

Slots use to be a competitive market, so you had to do something to make a splash, I'm not sure the firms and programmers are such boyscouts they wouldn't contemplate a bit of extra manipulation.

You could say well other firms would suss it out and grass them up, but then they also seem to have no problem when other firms make virtual copies of their games.

I have no independent, direct proof of this theory or any other. If you look at a big firm like Apple, under the constant gaze of techies and real enthusiasts, and they still try various tricks [and subsequent excuses] to increase sales and profits. All these slot firms have to really worry about is the ukgc, whose predecessor never even either discovered or got to grips with the slot machine exploits.

Yes I remember when folks said VS would go under if they started dropping their RTPs because everyone would stop playing there :)

Bonanza makes its 96% RTP, it always has done, it always will do, maybe BTG have mucked about with the volatility within the limited parameters available to them, but when all is said and done for every £1 staked on the game, 4p is taken off as the house edge. (@trancemonkey seems to have given up on this thread a long time ago, last input I can remember from him is basically, 'No, they haven't changed it'.)

4% as a house edge is really generous, that's a great edge for the house, especially when compared to traditional card games or single zero roulette. Jacks Or Better Poker for example comes in at 99.54%, single zero roulette comes in at 98.65%, slots are already the deal of the century for the casino. All they have to do is get their maths right and they're creaming off 4%, on average, from every single game round - you really think they even need to remotely muck about with all the nonsense that's being promulgated in this thread?

Anyone who thinks BTG are up to anything they're being accused of in this thread needs to get out of the online slotting game immediately. If someone says, 'I think these games are bent, I think they've gimped them, I think they cheat and/or are compensated, I think they're cheating me' and then resolves never to play them again, and sticks to that, I will respect that position, I disagree with it, but I respect it.

But if you honestly think any of this stuff is actually happening, and you carry on playing online slots, then seriously, with the best will in the world, give your head a wobble.
 
4% as a house edge is really generous, that's a great edge for the house, especially when compared to traditional card games or single zero roulette.

And yet most of the industry has switched tons of games to 94% rtp or less, even big boys like william hill. As the player revenue drops [gamstop, sows, cost of living etc..] the margins have to increase to match previous years' profit levels.

I have a different outlook to you in that I don't rule it out and am open to discussing it as a topic/theory. One piece of 'official' slots advice is every spin is independent, doesn't matter if you've just won 5000x in a bonus round, but if you follow this advice on bonanza and play on after a rare big win you'll never make a withdrawal!
 
Yes I remember when folks said VS would go under if they started dropping their RTPs because everyone would stop playing there :)

Bonanza makes its 96% RTP, it always has done, it always will do, maybe BTG have mucked about with the volatility within the limited parameters available to them, but when all is said and done for every £1 staked on the game, 4p is taken off as the house edge. (@trancemonkey seems to have given up on this thread a long time ago, last input I can remember from him is basically, 'No, they haven't changed it'.)

4% as a house edge is really generous, that's a great edge for the house, especially when compared to traditional card games or single zero roulette. Jacks Or Better Poker for example comes in at 99.54%, single zero roulette comes in at 98.65%, slots are already the deal of the century for the casino. All they have to do is get their maths right and they're creaming off 4%, on average, from every single game round - you really think they even need to remotely muck about with all the nonsense that's being promulgated in this thread?

Anyone who thinks BTG are up to anything they're being accused of in this thread needs to get out of the online slotting game immediately. If someone says, 'I think these games are bent, I think they've gimped them, I think they cheat and/or are compensated, I think they're cheating me' and then resolves never to play them again, and sticks to that, I will respect that position, I disagree with it, but I respect it.

But if you honestly think any of this stuff is actually happening, and you carry on playing online slots, then seriously, with the best will in the world, give your head a wobble.
Why do you even bother investing so much time posting about a game your not even qualified to judge.

Go and play a million spins, then I might take some notice of your opinion.

Why don’t you go and do something more useful, like sit on a cactus?
 
Tbf I don’t recall people saying VS would go under once they lowered RTP but I do recall people making videos about it saying it was shady as fuck and they wouldn’t be returning, only to do so months later.

Anybody who gives a coin to their games or any other site that runs such games under top RTP is a fucking moron imo and only encourages sites that do it to get away with it.

As for bonanza, it’s always had the ability to fuck u over hard and for prolonged periods. As I’ve stated many times before, some of us witnessed it first hand over and over again back 4 years ago. Others didn’t.
 
As for bonanza, it’s always had the ability to fuck u over hard and for prolonged periods. As I’ve stated many times before, some of us witnessed it first hand over and over again back 4 years ago. Others didn’t.
And just how would that be possible, on a so called random game?

Exactly how would it be possible for us both to be playing the game, every single day and you get stuffed time and again and I not get stuffed?

You also carried on playing it despite apparently having endured many instances where you got completely stuffed. You then stopped playing it when it went to a new level of stuffing you so you admitted seeing a change, no?

There is absolutely an enormous amount of skullduggery that has gone on with Bonanza. It is 100% a million miles from the game it was originally. If it still makes the stated rtp, who knows (but I highly doubt it does).
 
Again as I’ve said before I questioned you a few years back asking just how the fuck you were running so well? Seemingly lucking out on endless features with rare ones that were shitters.

I was tearing my hair out at ur endless screenshots while I was pounding away getting mauled for long periods. Thinking why isn’t this happening to him? Obv not every session I had was like this but numerous 500-1000x deposits without a feature. This was several years ago not after the alleged change.

You at the time were saying I shouldn’t be hammering away when it’s fucked and move on to another casino saying you could tell when it was in the mood. Of course I would get the odd session that would improve on the situation. But yeah I felt I was playing a different game to some.

The point where I gave it a rest was the worse I had ever known. The beatings id taken were unbearable. I had to leave it. But these were just a bit worse and a bit longer running to what I’d already seen. I really am talking shocking figures that regular players of even bonanza wouldn’t believe were even possible.

At no point will you ever have witnessed me stating the game has been gimped. I’ve raged about it many times, called it every name under the sun. We all moan about various games, I mean there are games I won’t even entertain doing a single spin on.

I’m a fairly astute better of football and horses in all markets. I won’t go into detail but it gives me a few extra quid on top of my salary. I STILL do play bonanza but not anywhere near as much and for what it’s worth as somebody who has probably done more spins on the game than anyone I’m not really seeing any different to when I stopped the regular play a while back. I lost my head on it once and went after it with my ‘own’ money after a disastrous session with just one feature. After the best part of a grand on 60/80p for just 3 features it was a massive reminder on why there are so many reasons that other games are more suitable for me to attack. I can’t think of any game that would take all that money for just 3 shitty features. Absolutely disgusting imo. BUT it was nothing I hadn’t seen before and was a harsh reminder of why I left it.

I advise you do the same if you haven’t already. But imo it’s just doing stuff it was capable of doing many years ago.

I can’t explain why you went from king to pauper on the game. The problem is that if you run so well on things for so long and then get the other end of the variance then of course you are gonna cry wolf and I understand that.

Who killed the Essex boys?? The only people that really know are in the ground.

Has bonanza been changed? The only people that really know can’t really be trusted and wouldn’t tell us anyway!!

We can debate all day long but we will never get to the bottom of it, even if there is a bottom to get to.

I have about 1.5k profit from Cheltenham to waste. Should I load it up or stick to my prags? Which incidentally are far superior games win or lose.

Good luck everyone and happy slotting.
 
The thing that I find frustrating is that when I ask a valid question, the people who are shouting from the rooftops “the game is straight”, totally ignore it and go off at a tangent.

I asked a few posts back. If providers are not changing the way a game plays, when it’s taken down and patched, then what exactly are they doing. Not one answer to that question, despite several people claiming to be the guru of slotting knowledge.
 
The thing that I find frustrating is that when I ask a valid question, the people who are shouting from the rooftops “the game is straight”, totally ignore it and go off at a tangent.

I asked a few posts back. If providers are not changing the way a game plays, when it’s taken down and patched, then what exactly are they doing. Not one answer to that question, despite several people claiming to be the guru of slotting knowledge.

A game can require a patch for all kinds of reasons that doesn't change the game itself. I'm sure we all remember when slots used to run on Flash, and that doesn't even exist anymore, so anything getting taken forward had to be remade for HTML5.

Online slots have to run on a massive range of hardware and operating systems, browsers, phones, tablets, PCs, all of which have a constantly evolving landscape in terms of security, features, what they require for compatibility, and so on. Add on the fact that slots need to integrate with a huge array of different providers, and if anything it's hard to imagine that they won't need to be patched/updated over time to keep them running well, or indeed at all.

Any of us using Windows as our operating system are entirely familiar with them wanting to update themselves all the bloody time, despite the fact that nothing about how we use them or want to use them changes one little bit.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Click here for Red Cherry Casino

Meister Ratings

Back
Top