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They haven't changed the maths. Casinos may be running lower RTP versions now, if they exist, but it would be pure stupidity to change something that isn't broke.
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Wouldn't games with lower rtp versions have different maths?
The 117589 ways or whatever screen couldn't land the bonus on some versions, I would've have thought every spin in the base game should have had an equal chance of seeing the bonus land, unless the all the ways screen was counted as a kind of mini ingame bonus itself.
Well one does have to wonder, if games are 'tested' via billions of simulated spins, thoroughly checked, then released (though often in an unfinished or broken state), then constantly 'patched' and so forth, why a paying customer's not allowed to raise any doubts without having the industry close ranks.
But why would the public have access to the processes involved I hear you cry? Just consume the slop and shut up already!
Which is handy, because if found to playing absolutely terribly, well then it's just 'bad luck', the wild constructs of an over imaginative mind, the delusions of a disgruntled player. It could never be the company you see - they don't make mistakes.
At what point is 'suspect' slot behaviour properly acknowledged, other than being labelled that person's subjective truth? Because constantly saying everything's above board in a shroud of secrecy doesn't make it so.
(but stuffed brown envelopes, do)
But why would the public have access to the processes involved I hear you cry? Just consume the slop and shut up already!
Which is handy, because if found to playing absolutely terribly, well then it's just 'bad luck', the wild constructs of an over imaginative mind, the delusions of a disgruntled player. It could never be the company you see - they don't make mistakes.
At what point is 'suspect' slot behaviour properly acknowledged, other than being labelled that person's subjective truth? Because constantly saying everything's above board in a shroud of secrecy doesn't make it so.
(but stuffed brown envelopes, do)
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The ukgc seem to think there's a chance players can be underpaid due to game 'updates', unintentional or not, but whether the ukgc's system of checks is up to the task of consumer protection is another question.
I'm sure accounting firms have been caught cooking the books for firms [in business sectors other than gambling], do the online casinos or game providers choose their own auditors, or does the ukgc appoint them?
I'm sure accounting firms have been caught cooking the books for firms [in business sectors other than gambling], do the online casinos or game providers choose their own auditors, or does the ukgc appoint them?
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They also think having auto play means players aren’t in control of their losses.
Setting 100 spins going with a loss limit of a score means your some kind of moron, who needs intervention from a group of people that don’t know their arse from their elbow.
Of course this was based on thorough research by asking less than 40 people. Most of whom were gambling addicts.
Hopefully this new paper will call them out for the shit show they are.
Setting 100 spins going with a loss limit of a score means your some kind of moron, who needs intervention from a group of people that don’t know their arse from their elbow.
Of course this was based on thorough research by asking less than 40 people. Most of whom were gambling addicts.
Hopefully this new paper will call them out for the shit show they are.
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They have and their independent auditors heavily fined, usually after it
( and is why the UK is moving towards implementing a Sarbanes Oxley type framework)
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Another thing I find strange, is that it was widely agreed and afaik, never disputed, that Raging Rhino seemed to change for the worse when moving to HMTL.
Yet, people say that Bonanza has changed and get met with “no” can’t have happened.
What I find very coincidental, is that the likes of @kennygamerboy, @PMKFRUITPRO and @Jackstar who were all long standing players, all quit playing it around the same time. Why was that? They had all enjoyed playing the game for the past 4 and half years and then decided it wasn’t sustainable any longer. Something must have changed.
Yet, people say that Bonanza has changed and get met with “no” can’t have happened.
What I find very coincidental, is that the likes of @kennygamerboy, @PMKFRUITPRO and @Jackstar who were all long standing players, all quit playing it around the same time. Why was that? They had all enjoyed playing the game for the past 4 and half years and then decided it wasn’t sustainable any longer. Something must have changed.
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The problem I have with this snorky, is that by your own posts to this thread, you've been getting shafted by Bonanza for how long now? By late 2019 you were starting to call shenanigans, and by mid-2020 you were convinced the game had 'patterns' to the extent you claimed to be able to tell if a session would be a winning one or not within twenty spins.
And now for some 12-18 months you've been claiming, with absolute conviction, that the game has been changed, that it's cheating players, isn't making stated RTP, and that you personally have obtained enough data to prove the game is bent, to the extent you're going to make a formal complaint.
And yet you're still playing it.
Where on earth do you think your complaint is going to go? What does your data consist of? Does it prove that the game doesn't run at its stated RTP? Or is it just a load of feature pay values that you think looks fishy and is 'different' to how the game played before?
I thought you'd quit playing Bonanza a couple of months or so ago, which quite frankly at the time seemed to me like the best thing you could possibly do and I said so in a reply to you, and yet here we again stuck in the same dead end.
I don't really have an opinion one way or another if Bonanza has been changed over the years, I haven't played it enough to make that call, but what we all know for sure and agree on is that slot design has changed over the years to a really scummy HV model with insidious maths designs so that even whilst RTPs may not have shifted that much from the past, session time and modest win frequency most certainly has. (Although RTPs have been tumbling in the last two or three years as well, of course.)
That's why I've essentially stopped playing all online slots, and have done for months, except for at 3Dice whose games run exactly the same as they always did, I voted with my wallet, and stopped chucking my cash at low-effort slots designed only to drain my deposit as quickly as possible.
In the case of Bonanza, as long as it still makes RTP and is correctly certified, no licensing body will even remotely give one single tiny shit about what you think has been done to it, and they will spend as much time analysing your 'data' as it takes to sneeze.
Honestly snorky, walk away from Bonanza, stop throwing good money after bad, and don't even remotely expect your 'complaint' about it to go anywhere, because it won't.
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One just doesn't quit Bonanza, Bonanza quits you.
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How can you be so sure? Begs the question of why bother having an independent body to judge these matters if they don’t take complaints seriously.
I accept what your saying but I haven’t disclosed 90% of the information, contained in my complaint so most of your reply is just surmising or assumption.
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I've been following this thread for years now snorky, and I can't even remotely envisage that your dataset contains any 'evidence' whatsoever that Bonanza is in any way failing to comply with the requirements for a game run legally as per the requirements of UK licensing laws (or any other jurisdiction, for that matter).
If you're literally just complaining about the 'ethics' of the game (i.e. its volatility or pay profile has been changed one or more times since launch, to the detriment of the player and 'duping' him) then good luck with that, as complaining about ethics when it comes to online gaming is going to get you as far as walking into a brothel and lodging an official complaint about there being a lot of shagging on the premises.
I don't believe you can have a large enough spin sample as a single player in real money mode to prove that the game isn't reaching RTP, which for the record I will state with 100% confidence that it absolutely is doing, when you're running random games with a house edge of a very generous 4% or more, all you need to do is get your game right, and maths will do the rest.
What exactly are you asking these 'independent bodies' to judge? That Bonanza is in breach of regulation, or that you just don't like the way it's been playing for you for an extended period of time? What is your data? What do you think it demonstrates?
Why not share your data here? There are a lot of smart folks here at CM who I'm sure would assist and advise as best they can, and give you their best guidance on whether or not your data reveals anything significant about Bonanza and how its behaviour has changed (or not) in a statistically significant manner over the years (and if your dataset is even large enough to make that assertion), and most crucially of course, as to whether or not it makes RTP. Because if it makes RTP, then with the greatest of respect - you have nothing even remotely credible to lodge a complaint about.
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With the greatest respect, your problem is, that you can’t think outside of the box. It’s just black and white and on your terms only.
One of the main reasons, I don’t post much at all nowadays is because it’s full of people who wear rose tinted glasses and have single track minds.
If you’re saying that the sample size is too small, then how will any player ever produce a sample size large enough to hold any sway? I have also, always understood that the more spins you do, the closer to rtp, you will get. How does that explain, every site I play at dropping dramatically over the past 15 months?
Every Casino, I play at I am running at below rtp, with @Videoslots dropping from 98% to 91%. Wouldn’t you question that? The only Casino that says I am running at 96% is Sky and quite frankly, I don’t believe them. Sky is by far the worst site, in terms of gameplay and withdrawals, I ever played at so I don’t see how it’s possible.
Seeing as you know the answer to most things, can you please explain why the version Sky was running, contained no scatters in the max ways? Until it was highlighted on here and then hey presto, they started appearing. How was that not picked up in the weird and wonderful testing lab or did they test a different version or tweak it afterwards? Be really interested to hear your explanation on that one.
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all devices were smashed i am now on this bad boy viewing CMWell I can't speak for the others, but I'd hazard a guess that Kenny smashed up all his devices after the last straw, in a blind rage, and now has to view CM through a potato
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Think outside what box? All we've got so far is you insisting that you've managed to collect data that you think proves 'something', but you won't show us the data and you won't tell us what you think it is you've proven, if you don't think the data and conclusion you've made based on that data will pass muster here at CM, good luck with showing it to any regulatory authority - they'll put you in the 'man shouts at clouds' box within 30 seconds of reading your email.
It's pretty well established that BTG's games can deliver some incredibly long rough patches, and Bonanza most definitely falls into that camp, from memory you were doing very well on it for a time too? I'm sure you weren't accusing the game of being 'broken' when your performance on it was exceeding what anyone else here at CM seemed to be able to manage?
Back when I played online at a more varied mix of casinos and providers, BTG were pretty much permanently on my shitlist, I used to cover online slots on my YouTube channel, and I'd have a real money session to review a new slot of theirs, and then, generally speaking, never play it again. Even slots of theirs that I really liked as a game (Lucky Streak Mark 2 for example), I gave up on because I just couldn't be doing with the volatility profile and overall maths model. I don't think for one second that game wouldn't make its stated RTP, eventually, but I wasn't prepared to take on the balance destruction it'd take to get there. (Which was a shame, because I absolutely loved it as a game.)
I don't know what your spin sample size is, if you've got a million spins worth of data I'd expect you be reasonably close to T-RTP, although going off my own numbers the last time I asked 3Dice for my stats, it's possible to get a surprising number of spins into a single game and still have a non-trivial drift from T-RTP (and yes, I absolutely do believe that once my spin sample gets large enough, I'll be at T-RTP, if I didn't think that for one single second, I'd bloody well stop playing there).
The more telling stat for me at 3Dice is my OVERALL RTP, lifetime stats across every single game they have, for the ten years I've been playing there (they will pull those stats and give them to you if you ask for them), and that is a non-trivial sample size - and guess what, I'm pretty much bang on T-RTP to a decimal point percentage. (i.e. I very much suspect that if you aggregated all your Bonanza play, lifetime stats, from all casinos, you'd be close to T-RTP.)
As for the scatters not being on Bonanza at Sky and then reappearing, as I understand it Bonanza is delivered through several different platforms to the various online casinos, I'm sure there are multiple versions of it floating around out there and BTG have probably updated stuff on it several times over the years. For the record I think BTG's QA isn't up to scratch, I remember them going through a patch where every release they made seemed to have some sort of graphical glitch on it, like the famous problem with the scatters in The Final Countdown that The Bandit caught on video. Which is, incidentally, another reason I didn't tend to get too involved with their games.
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Re the QA @ BTG (which i agree, leaves a lot to be desired) -
Wild Flower as well: Pokerstars sent me money 2 months done the line after you'd trigger the enhanced feature but only get the normal
Bonanza: you get 4 scatters, but it says 17 spins in some cases at the start screen: 1/2 spins in you get a re-trigger etc
Wild Flower as well: Pokerstars sent me money 2 months done the line after you'd trigger the enhanced feature but only get the normal
Bonanza: you get 4 scatters, but it says 17 spins in some cases at the start screen: 1/2 spins in you get a re-trigger etc
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I don’t remember saying, that I thought my conclusion wouldn’t pass muster at CM. I don’t remember asking anyone at CM what they thought even. I merely stated that I had typed up a letter and was going to send it to the relevant people. The only input I asked for, was a pm from anybody who had experienced similar or could add value.
You, then took it upon yourself to dismiss my claims as rubbish and then started making wild accusations and passing judgement based on your assumption and perception of how the letter was constructed and what type of information and claims, were in the letter. You were in effect, passing sentence on someone who hadn’t committed a crime and doing so without any evidence.
they'll put you in the 'man shouts at clouds' box within 30 seconds of reading your email.
And knowing my luck, they’d put me next you.
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Can see you two now in the clouds: one reading the Guardian, one clicking a months subscription to the Mail.
One getting a 100x in 3 Dice, one trying to get a 50x in Bonanza
One wanting an open door policy to get into heaven, one turfing the undesirables away
Match made.
One getting a 100x in 3 Dice, one trying to get a 50x in Bonanza
One wanting an open door policy to get into heaven, one turfing the undesirables away
Match made.
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Are you still ahead from bonanza overall Snorks?
Since you started playing it?
Since you started playing it?
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I don’t remember saying, that I thought my conclusion wouldn’t pass muster at CM. I don’t remember asking anyone at CM what they thought even. I merely stated that I had typed up a letter and was going to send it to the relevant people. The only input I asked for, was a pm from anybody who had experienced similar or could add value.
You, then took it upon yourself to dismiss my claims as rubbish and then started making wild accusations and passing judgement based on your assumption and perception of how the letter was constructed and what type of information and claims, were in the letter. You were in effect, passing sentence on someone who hadn’t committed a crime and doing so without any evidence.
they'll put you in the 'man shouts at clouds' box within 30 seconds of reading your email.
And knowing my luck, they’d put me next you.
Well as I said yesterday snorky, I've been reading (and occasionally posting to) this thread for years now, and I've been around on CM for over ten years, so I've seen a lot of this sort of stuff come and go in that time.
There are literally hundreds of pages of this thread where you've been variously accusing BTG of doing all sorts of nefarious stuff to Bonanza, and have never presented one single iota of proof for any of it.
As @paul7388 noted here - Bonanza by Big Time Gaming - Page 789 - Casinomeister Forum
There were people making pretty much exactly the same sort of complaints about Bonanza within weeks or months of its launch, as you're making now. The Bonanza they're describing, five and a half years ago, is the Bonanza you are insisting it's changed into at some point.
Maybe it's just possible that a slot with as complex a maths model as Bonanza, is simply capable of insanely long play cycles that might 'feel' good or bad, but are all within the bounds of what the maths can legitimately produce?
Or maybe BTG have changed it, I don't know, but ultimately as long as the game is certified and it meets RTP, it doesn't make any difference anyway, and you tearing your hair out over it, as deposit after deposit after deposit disappears down the drain, won't change that.
If you believe you've got a legitimate complaint about it and can prove your assertions, then hey, go for it, I wish you good luck, but ultimately I think, based on my own experiences and knowledge (which I am not claiming is encyclopaedic) - that it will go nowhere.
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It’s been so badly changed and made into a bent game over the last year that Dazza who uploaded every spin of each of his sessions made in excess of 12-15 fucking grand on it, over a period of about 15 months.
But wait did he lose 10 - 15 bag on it the year before????? Well if he did it’s because that’s what’s suppose to happen on a 96% game that you row all year round, with of course the swings and roundabouts!!!
Address the fact that despite being bent corrupt and changed ( in your opinion) that our very own Dazza smashed it to pieces since the time you’ve been saying it’s bent???? How could that happen on a corrupt game??
His stats on the game will trump urs. But the year before will be visa versa.
But wait did he lose 10 - 15 bag on it the year before????? Well if he did it’s because that’s what’s suppose to happen on a 96% game that you row all year round, with of course the swings and roundabouts!!!
Address the fact that despite being bent corrupt and changed ( in your opinion) that our very own Dazza smashed it to pieces since the time you’ve been saying it’s bent???? How could that happen on a corrupt game??
His stats on the game will trump urs. But the year before will be visa versa.
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Also why don’t you ask @Team.Videoslots to post ur stats since the games launch?
Give them permission to do so , then we can all see the reason why you may or not have a reason to gripe????
If you use the my RTP function and set the date back to 2016 or something it can take its time but I think it will deliver the goods eventually. If not ask them and publish it.
You were saying u were running at 102% and 98% for about 4 years. So running at 91% for a year is no different what so ever to the opposite.
I’m on nobody’s side here. I had to leave this game alone fir my own sanity. But publish facts rather than moan about them.
Give them permission to do so , then we can all see the reason why you may or not have a reason to gripe????
If you use the my RTP function and set the date back to 2016 or something it can take its time but I think it will deliver the goods eventually. If not ask them and publish it.
You were saying u were running at 102% and 98% for about 4 years. So running at 91% for a year is no different what so ever to the opposite.
I’m on nobody’s side here. I had to leave this game alone fir my own sanity. But publish facts rather than moan about them.
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I just logged into Videoslots and was able to pull my lifetime stats for Bonanza, only ever did 10.3K spins on it there though.
So I finished up 7.5% over expected RTP.
So I finished up 7.5% over expected RTP.
Yeah Snorky, you fantasist! Stop it!
I just can't believe I saw my mouse pointer reveal to me how many posts I'd contributed here, as it hovered near the Bonanza thread. About 1600! That's like......30 percent!
Many insightful takes too. I'd say about 20 were positive about the game, and the rest proving how bent it is. We've been onto Bonanza for a long time now. it won't fool us *
I just can't believe I saw my mouse pointer reveal to me how many posts I'd contributed here, as it hovered near the Bonanza thread. About 1600! That's like......30 percent!
Many insightful takes too. I'd say about 20 were positive about the game, and the rest proving how bent it is. We've been onto Bonanza for a long time now. it won't fool us *
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So Fruitpro, what made you start posting negativity about Bonanza? You had played it from day one. Absolutely hammered it, just like me. Don’t remember a moan from you until about the same time as all the hardened players noticed the same thing.
You absolutely loved the game but then had to quit for your own sanity. Was it a build up from day 1 or did the last 6 months cripple you?
As for the @Team.Videoslots thing. By all means feel free to post all my deposits, losses and gameplay regarding Bonanza. I would appreciate a specific breakdown with nothing left out.
In fact, you can even print a chart of my deposits and withdrawals with a month by month breakdown from day 1. I would appreciate it very much if you would do that for me please.
You absolutely loved the game but then had to quit for your own sanity. Was it a build up from day 1 or did the last 6 months cripple you?
As for the @Team.Videoslots thing. By all means feel free to post all my deposits, losses and gameplay regarding Bonanza. I would appreciate a specific breakdown with nothing left out.
In fact, you can even print a chart of my deposits and withdrawals with a month by month breakdown from day 1. I would appreciate it very much if you would do that for me please.
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Tbf any next gen version is now bent.
BTG changed the code to cascade chance is equivalent to feature awarded.
You try getting one!!!!
BTG changed the code to cascade chance is equivalent to feature awarded.
You try getting one!!!!
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Are you serious?????
When you were posting screen shot after screen shot of all ur great raises I was questioning how the fuck you were running so well!!! It’s ALWAYS been in the game to fuck u over with 500x stake for a feature for a 10x. I posted enough experiences about that numerous times!!
Like I say I couldn’t give 2 shits anymore about the game. But if ur gonna cry wolf then back it up. Post the evidence as otherwise it’s pointless.
Get on videoslots live chat and ask for your lifetime RTP and screen shot it. Then post it.
If ur at 90% after a million spins then we can say that’s a bit harsh. But I bet you won’t be.
Your small sample at sky had you over RTP but they were lying of course!!
Get on chats to all your casinos ask for stats and post them.
Then people will take your accusations seriously. Until then no point discussing further.
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I knew there are different versions of the game ftom day one. But a different version doesn’t mean it’s bent or doesn’t make RTP.
Any seaside arcade will be running different version numbers of 100’s of random games.
Doesn’t make any one of them bent.
Jeez.
Nobody had posted more spins on the non scatter sky version than me and I was in the 96% region. And I have proof of my stats. All money in money out, everything I’ve ever wagered.
Any seaside arcade will be running different version numbers of 100’s of random games.
Doesn’t make any one of them bent.
Jeez.
Nobody had posted more spins on the non scatter sky version than me and I was in the 96% region. And I have proof of my stats. All money in money out, everything I’ve ever wagered.
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U also didn’t address my Dazza point???
How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????
How has he managed to make thousands on a bent game over the last year????
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Assuming snorky has an active account at VS he can pull his own stats, just go into the My RTP section, type in Bonanza's name, search for it, and then set the dates you want it to pull the data for to a date before the game was released, up to today, as I did on the screenshot a few posts back.
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Yeah but it can sit there whirring away for an age if you’ve span a lot
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Although without proof, this part for me is where the industry and developers have free range to do what they pretty much want to, whether they do/did or plan to, again no proof but experience and time served tells me if I were up to no good, this is my loophole.
Games get released, played. tested, all is great, later down the line, regular player base, hooked players etc etc, lets make even MORE money, change the math, reduce the RTP do what we want......
Some argue If a game is changed it has to be recertified, tested etc, yes that rule is there in paper but I would bet my bollocks this does not happen and if it did, would be the bare minimum and certainly where the back scratching and brown envelopes come in to play.....
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I have tried that and as Fruitpro says it takes forever, It logs you out due to inactivity before getting a result. If you go short, you get a result but obviously a skewed one.
Mine since April.
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Thought we answered this one years back Affiliate RTP! - They get yet another version to the one played by us mere mortals!
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Well what's the biggest slice it'll work for? It wouldn't take that long to search in six month blocks and just aggregate them all.
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What about your own rtp? If it was bang on at SKY, where did it shaft you? William Hill, Ladbrokes?
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Why have you got such an interest? It feels like I am being judged by all and sundry here.
And for your information, it’s the “Hunting of the Snark”. Not the ;-:-ing Snork.
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If Bonanza can read: I have never doubted your majesty
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Imagine where I would have been without them.You sneaky bugger. Kept those two peaks quiet, didn't you?
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Because it's the single most important piece of information in this entire saga, if you're basically at or around T-RTP, then everything else is just white noise.
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Lol...I retrieved the previous year's losses, gradually. That wasn't my best ever run, that took place at Casumo in my old euro account there, made 12-13k euros in a few weeks. Sky Vegas was a disaster for me, I had 94% stats from Bonanza during my total time there, and an incredibly bad 90% on Starclusters. So over the last 2 years, before I ran out of UKGC casinos, I finished about par on it, what I consider to be extremely fortunate. I actually checked bank statements a couple of weeks ago, as I can go back 6 years until when I first played it. It's difficult to be exact, because I lost on The Rapist and Twin Spin etc. too, but based on the assumption I played 80% of my time on Bonanza my net losses over that period are worse than I actually thought, approx 24k and over 30k overall including the sessions I played other slots.
Considering the vast turnover I had on it, I would say my RTP was actually around 95%, it's hard to be accurate. So not great, but not as depressing as if it had been say 92% as that would have made that 24k well over 50k.
Having now had well over a month off of it, I can't say I miss the game or gambling at all for that matter. The game isn't 'bent' but simply has awful RTP distribution due to the high variance and unlike other HV slots, it doesn't seem to make up swings in consistent play. I bet if I had chosen DoA or DoA2 for that period and amount of spins, I would have had numerous wildlines and wins over 5000x on the former, or even 30-40000x on the latter. Just by sheer weight of numbers. And that's the only thing that gets me regarding Bonanza - how daft I was chasing the rainbow of the 'potential' 10k x in the feature when in reality all I got was a third of that twice and a quarter once. And never saw an 8+-scatter trigger, only once got 1000x in the base game. If nothing else, the Bonanza slot is the master of illusion and irrational hopes and expectation. The 'psych-ops' of online slotting.
Looking back, the final year I had on it was my luckiest ever and I am surprised and even grateful it occurred, as it made what would have been a very painful 5-year net loss of nearly 40k into a more bearable, albeit still dreadful one of around 24k. So I am glad I cut my losses, literally and have no plans to return to it even if I can find a new UKGC site or crapto one, if they have the game.
One final word of advice - if you are well down like me, and are enduring a sub-par RTP in the medium term, remove all optimism and expectation from your mindset - you'll NEVER retrieve the situation and that statement carries more weight and reality the longer you've been playing the game.
So by all accounts then, were the likes of Evolution/ BTG to intentionally lower the RTP through one of their many stealth 'updates', and the player experiences the worst sub-RTP in existence over say 100,000 spins, it can be simply shrugged off as the game's variance?
So ultimately they have the final say on what's occurring, and have no reason to be pulled up anything, ever. Because.....how dare one question them?
I see.....?
So ultimately they have the final say on what's occurring, and have no reason to be pulled up anything, ever. Because.....how dare one question them?
I see.....?
- Joined
- Aug 22, 2017
- Location
- England
Sky was where I’d played most.
VS is slightly over but only about 40k or was it 100k (I can’t remember)spins there if I recall. Once they started lowering RTP on a few other games I liked it was pointless depositing. I couldn’t give 2 shits about trophies or points or battles or anything like that.
Hills bent me over and fucked me so bad for ages. Luckily a fair chunk of That was when they were offering huge bonuses with small wagering on any game u liked, so 50% of it was there money not mine but man was it awful. A large chunk of That was made back when they were offering 100% match up to £200 on black Jack with 10x wager. After a while bonanza levelled out thanks to a lucky couple of bonuses. I’d guess I was below RTP there but not by much.
Unibent has never delivered for me on any game what so ever just one of those places where I couldn’t win a coin. I will say tho, that once they switched platforms it was horrific but again a small sample.
The GVC sites were again a mixed bag but overall I couldn’t complain and now I’m bonus banned so won’t be giving them a coin again regardless.
Towards the end, my game play was absolutely shocking no matter where I played. But this wasn’t a 12 month period it was about 3 months no matter what I did I was getting mauled so I called it a day.
Now I will only play with left over balances off sports betting and free shit. Obv any lucky 15’s or accas that produce the goods I’m happy to withdraw the bulk and punt the rest. In my limited time with this I couldn’t say yay or nay to any skullduggery going on.
It fucked me over most on the next gen versions. I reported on numerous occasions I could barely get a cascade let alone a feature. Straight in features???? Forget it.
Like j I say I’m not on any side here. But if I genuinely felt like you did about Random games in general I wouldn’t even entertain a deposit. Why would I??
- Joined
- Dec 13, 2014
- Location
- Glasgow and Home - N Ireland
Unibet's one of the sites i played at it a lot and inline with PMK actually, the change from platforms has been pretty obvious in terms of play and before anyone comes at me with a shotgun, i've neither the time, nor inclination to review the stats pre and post - just my view ) I went from, yes i went down but it normally had a barnstormer X wise in there to pull me out to 95% back of losses. Since the change in platform - unmitigating misery on there.
I think i went from being 300 quid up there in late 2020 to being about, just checked, 6500 down (on Bonanza alone i'd hazard a guess)
) I went from, yes i went down but it normally had a barnstormer X wise in there to pull me out to 95% back of losses. Since the change in platform - unmitigating misery on there.I think i went from being 300 quid up there in late 2020 to being about, just checked, 6500 down (on Bonanza alone i'd hazard a guess)
