New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[trancemonkey]

What baffles me is how the software malfunctions and comes up these bugs after being certified. After 4 to 5 years??

Surely they must have mucked about with the code again?... @trancemonkey - is this common and what can be the cause...?

Nate

Its important to know how compliance testing works. To my knowledge (which I am happy for people to correct me on if I am wrong) when a game is tested, the test lab will determine what are "critical files" vs non-non-critical files. Critical files are (but not necessarily limited to), anything that could affect the payout of the game (i.e maths and most files for the server side of the game for example) Non-critical files could be anything to do with the front end (client). If non-critical files are changed, the testing is likely to be less stringent than if critical files are changed. If critical files are changed in any way, this nearly always requires a full retest of the game, which is not cheap.

Changing maths or back-end software (critical) files us therefore not done lightly.

It's most likely that the fault is in the client, and given how many different web clients there are and all other different kinds of issues that can cause clients to go wrong.

Sometimes issues can be caused by things such as a change in Google chrome which causes unexpected behaviour in a game where maybe some function is deprecated or changed by Google.

When you are also at the whim of browser companies not changing stuff, things can and do go wrong.

This is why all the important stuff is done on a server somewhere

 

[Nate]

Its important to know how compliance testing works. To my knowledge (which I am happy for people to correct me on if I am wrong) when a game is tested, the test lab will determine what are "critical files" vs non-non-critical files. Critical files are (but not necessarily limited to), anything that could affect the payout of the game (i.e maths and most files for the server side of the game for example) Non-critical files could be anything to do with the front end (client). If non-critical files are changed, the testing is likely to be less stringent than if critical files are changed. If critical files are changed in any way, this nearly always requires a full retest of the game, which is not cheap.

Changing maths or back-end software (critical) files us therefore not done lightly.

It's most likely that the fault is in the client, and given how many different web clients there are and all other different kinds of issues that can cause clients to go wrong.

Sometimes issues can be caused by things such as a change in Google chrome which causes unexpected behaviour in a game where maybe some function is deprecated or changed by Google.

When you are also at the whim of browser companies not changing stuff, things can and do go wrong.

This is why all the important stuff is done on a server somewhere

Thanks for the reply. Makes sense. Not easy to get the software to operate seamlessly across all browsers / Systems etc..

I'm also curious, like once the math model is approved or the game is certified - is there a change log or history of ammendments to this that is available to the public?

If any of those critical files are changed, how will we know ? Is there some way or DB that reflects these changes?

Nate

 

[trancemonkey]

Thanks for the reply. Makes sense. Not easy to get the software to operate seamlessly across all browsers / Systems etc..

I'm also curious, like once the math model is approved or the game is certified - is there a change log or history of ammendments to this that is available to the public?

If any of those critical files are changed, how will we know ? Is there some way or DB that reflects these changes?

Nate

No, it is not made public to my knowledge.

 

[Nate]

No, it is not made public to my knowledge.

So if Bonanza has been altered in terms of max win potential or even feature frequency, we have no way to tell? Apart from taking the word of the BTG reps..

These things can be changed whilst keeping the RTP the same and would never be known..?

Nate

 

[trancemonkey]

No, it is not made public to my knowledge.

Thanks for the reply. Makes sense. Not easy to get the software to operate seamlessly across all browsers / Systems etc..

I'm also curious, like once the math model is approved or the game is certified - is there a change log or history of ammendments to this that is available to the public?

If any of those critical files are changed, how will we know ? Is there some way or DB that reflects these changes?

Nate

There is a whole debate to be had about what should/shouldn't be made public to players, and it's quite a hot topic on some threads around here.

My view is this:

RTP should be shown on the loading screen of all games, as a minimum.
A version log should be shown in the help pages which as a minimum should say that the maths was changed, though I don't necessarily agree that exact details should be shown as these are the only IP of a game that can be protected in law.

 

[trancemonkey]

So if Bonanza has been altered in terms of max win potential or even feature frequency, we have no way to tell? Apart from taking the word of the BTG reps..

These things can be changed whilst keeping the RTP the same and would never be known..?

Nate

Yes, hence I think certain details should be shared. For example:

V1.3 - Maths changed slightly. Feature frequency increased slightly. Max win reduced to 1500x.

This gives enough details for players without giving specifics away.

It's a careful balance.

 

[Nate]

Yes, hence I think certain details should be shared. For example:

V1.3 - Maths changed slightly. Feature frequency increased slightly. Max win reduced to 1500x.

This gives enough details for players without giving specifics away.

It's a careful balance.

You may not be ethically challenged, but many in this industry are.

This is the fundamental problem I have with BTG. Sometimes, even though the samples may be limited the game seems to play completely differently - the sad part is we will never know if the math, feature frequency or max win has been altered.

All we can do is take the word of someone who cheated in his own competition...

Even if it is a schlep to get recertification, if the game pumps money, I don't see a reason why game houses won't spend that to improve profits.

We have hard-core gamers here. They spin away at a slot and even though they are random, there are tiny patterns one can see forming.

Games like Bonanza have always been shrouded in secrecy. The reason for that is that the slots potential NEVER lived up to the hype BTG made around it. Unlimited multipliers, unlimited spins and 117 000 MegNoPays could barely crack 1000x bet.

Nate

 

[trancemonkey]

You may not be ethically challenged, but many in this industry are.

This is the fundamental problem I have with BTG. Sometimes, even though the samples may be limited the game seems to play completely differently - the sad part is we will never know if the math, feature frequency or max win has been altered.

All we can do is take the word of someone who cheated in his own competition...

Even if it is a schlep to get recertification, if the game pumps money, I don't see a reason why game houses won't spend that to improve profits.

We have hard-core gamers here. They spin away at a slot and even though they are random, there are tiny patterns one can see forming.

Games like Bonanza have always been shrouded in secrecy. The reason for that is that the slots potential NEVER lived up to the hype BTG made around it. Unlimited multipliers, unlimited spins and 117 000 MegNoPays could barely crack 1000x bet.

Nate

There is no way Bonanza is doing anything dodgy. I know people who know that game inside out and I have asked this question many times...

And even if BTG were dodgy, which I doubt, there is no way SG could risk integrating a game on to their system that was in any way doing something it shouldn't. If SG were ever caught knowingly hosting illegal content, they would be thrown out of every legal market instantly and that would be the end of SG. Take it from someone that deals with compliance every day, companies like SG would be over cautious.

 

[greylady]

I must be the chosen one today and not before time too

 

[Nate]

There is no way Bonanza is doing anything dodgy. I know people who know that game inside out and I have asked this question many times...

And even if BTG were dodgy, which I doubt, there is no way SG could risk integrating a game on to their system that was in any way doing something it shouldn't. If SG were ever caught knowingly hosting illegal content, they would be thrown out of every legal market instantly and that would be the end of SG. Take it from someone that deals with compliance every day, companies like SG would be over cautious.

Not saying it's doing anything dodgy. Just saying if the math has been changed or anything else has been altered, there would be no way we can confirm this.

We would have to take the word of BTG on that - not many people trust that after their intro here.

So the average Joe on the street, who may believe it has been altered looks like a fool as the changes are never made public. Even if it wasn't changed, there is nothing that the general public can reference to prove otherwise.

Nate

 

[dunover]

Those missing king wins - I thought I was going mad a couple of times last week, seeing 'wins' out of the corner of my eye and getting zero, then thinking I just imagined them....

 

[Jono777]

WTG @greylady - as you say about ^%£$^%&^ing time lol

 

[Playford7]

I must be the chosen one today and not before time too

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She moans about never winning yet in the past week it’s win after win!..
Massive drama queen!..

just kidding, nice hit

 

[TamingTheBeast]

There is no way Bonanza is doing anything dodgy. I know people who know that game inside out and I have asked this question many times...

And even if BTG were dodgy, which I doubt, there is no way SG could risk integrating a game on to their system that was in any way doing something it shouldn't. If SG were ever caught knowingly hosting illegal content, they would be thrown out of every legal market instantly and that would be the end of SG. Take it from someone that deals with compliance every day, companies like SG would be over cautious.

Thank you for clarifying

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

But Sky Vegas is a defo a different ‘version’ to the others.

This has been mentioned before.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I’m binning off bonanza and attacking the £4.3m jackpot king.

Probably more chance of winning that than hitting 1000x on Bonanza which has been the worse I’ve ever known of late.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Very quiet here??????

Is there a massive clue that I don’t know about?

 

[irish-ranger]

Very quiet here??????

Is there a massive clue that I don’t know about?

Yes it's wank at the minute lllol

 

[Downsman]

Gave it a whirl last night, base game was kind and kept me going for ages..but the D didn't put in an appearance.

As for the Sky version, it feels different to the Quickfire & NYX offerings..but usually plays best for me.

 

[snorky510238]

I have hit quite a few GOLDS but nothing fantastic for the past couple of weeks. I haven’t played it as much as usual because I can tell something is not right.

I don’t know how this is done but what I do know is that you can play a game one day and it feels “Fair”, you can play it the next and it doesn’t feel “fair”. Not just talking Bonanza here, they all do the same.

The only thing that makes sense is some form of compensation kicking in or a rtp tracker to keep the slot showing near expected payout. I think this is feasible as we are told the maths accounts for keeping it on track but when you think about it “the maths” alone couldn’t do this without some other factors.

What I am saying is, if you think the law of averages alone will ensure a game plays at expected rtp then yes it is possible but with a megaways game for example, where the variables are enormous it would take trillions of spins to make a conclusion. Therefore how can a game ever be checked correctly because the variables could always be used as an excuse, whether the game is massively paying under or over.

When it comes to transparency, then one thing I think that should be stated by law is something to back up the claims made by providers. It’s extremely easy for a provider to state “win up to 20,000 x stake”. Yes it may well be theoretically possible but so are a lot of other things that NEVER happen.

What should be included in the game files is the actual rtp recorded by the testing lab during the x billion test spins. (Anybody know where 1 is by the way, or is it the same as looking for a dragons lair?) Along with how many times the slot produced that win, how many x10,000 plus, x5,000 plus, etc. The player has a right to know their true chance of hitting these wins imo.

 

[pinnit2014]

Last spin, the sea of rubies - wont see again for another 5 years

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Fake.

Not programmed.

 

[paul7388]

Last spin, the sea of rubies - wont see again for another 5 years

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So you disappeared for a month just to learn how to fake screenshots. Either that or you now BTG'S new employee. Ha Kroffe could have shown you how to fake the shot in seconds.

Always been suspicious of these members that are gone for ages and just appear with a great win.

Actually nice hit Pinnit nice to see you are still alive and still playing Bonanza lol.

 

[Kroffe]

So you disappeared for a month just to learn how to fake screenshots. Either that or you now BTG'S new employee. Ha Kroffe could have shown you how to fake the shot in seconds.

Always been suspicious of these members that are gone for ages and just appear with a great win.

Actually nice hit Pinnit nice to see you are still alive and still playing Bonanza lol.

I actually had a win on the same site that was even better than Pinnits.

 

[curremon]

Today seems to be even worse day to play bonanza than normal... Holy fuck about 500 spins and rtp runs in 30%ish...

 

[pinnit2014]

So you disappeared for a month just to learn how to fake screenshots. Either that or you now BTG'S new employee. Ha Kroffe could have shown you how to fake the shot in seconds.

Always been suspicious of these members that are gone for ages and just appear with a great win.

Actually nice hit Pinnit nice to see you are still alive and still playing Bonanza lol.

I'm a slow learner - only just discovered you can microwave lettuce in those frozen doner kebab meals

BTG like the 40ps at the moment:

 

[Davey86]

You went

I actually had a win on the same site that was even better than Pinnits.
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If you had of changed the stake to min bet believable the bear never does high stakes

 

[Davey86]

I'm a slow learner - only just discovered you can microwave lettuce in those frozen doner kebab meals

BTG like the 40ps at the moment:

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definitely on btg payroll this week

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Agree

 

[pinnit2014]

Average bonus been not too bad. Hasten to add some stinkers:

4 quid spin - 20x

2 quid spin, plus 5 - 8x (fortunately it was doing ok which took the sting out a bit but still put a hole through the drywall)

Only signed up to that Mr Q a week ago (8/10 so far) and, touch wood, it's been running like a dream - it's the non autoplay one but it's the smoothest Quickfire one about.

The Mecca one isn't really that great but it was sitting at 7 spins no win before the re-trigger

Just need to win another 20k and i'll break even on it.

 

[irish-ranger]

Average bonus been not too bad. Hasten to add some stinkers:

4 quid spin - 20x

2 quid spin, plus 5 - 8x (fortunately it was doing ok which took the sting out a bit but still put a hole through the drywall)

Only signed up to that Mr Q a week ago (8/10 so far) and, touch wood, it's been running like a dream - it's the non autoplay one but it's the smoothest Quickfire one about.

The Mecca one isn't really that great but it was sitting at 7 spins no win before the re-trigger

Just need to win another 20k and i'll break even on it.

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Well mate u are the only one who's getting anything from the bastard it's been brutal for the last 2 weeks for me..
Enjoy and buy the missues somthing nice for Xmas

 

[pinnit2014]

Well mate u are the only one who's getting anything from the bastard it's been brutal for the last 2 weeks for me..
Enjoy and buy the missues somthing nice for Xmas

tbh pal the compensation rules meant i was well overdue a purple patch on it, shame that some of the bigger stakes didn't have a good a return as the 40-60ps but ho hum.

Thing about Bonanza is the good runs last hours sometimes so, when it starts to turn, i'll be legging it (bought the burnt t shirt before)

Hopefully still a few withdrawals in it. Or not.

 

[Nate]

I actually had a win on the same site that was even better than Pinnits.
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I'm glad to finally see Bonanza spit out its true potential of 158 500x ...

We were waiting for this for years...

Nate

 

[Kroffe]

I'm glad to finally see Bonanza spit out its true potential of 158 500x ...

We were waiting for this for years...

Nate

This may be hard to beleive, but the the picture is edited.
Sorry i got your hopes up =(

 

[dunover]

Well mate u are the only one who's getting anything from the bastard it's been brutal for the last 2 weeks for me..
Enjoy and buy the missues somthing nice for Xmas

Same here - 2 weeks of filth, bile and vomit-inducing features on the rare occasions I see them. Definitely has prolonged purple patches which you later pay for, with interest. Reprehensible game.

 

[irish-ranger]

Same here - 2 weeks of filth, bile and vomit-inducing features on the rare occasions I see them. Definitely has prolonged purple patches which you later pay for, with interest. Reprehensible game.

There's no doubt this fuck knows more about our game play than we think 4 am Tues morn I got goldx5, first spin retrigger second spin another retrigger 27 spins and it paid £12 quid on min bet I wasnt surprised get retriggers and prepare to be royally fucked over.
Tonight over on fruit Kings 10 deposit balance sitting at £70 not even one tease at gold yet base game playing well for 2 hours play.

 

[irish-ranger]

Bonanza is broke No 1 near miss ffs

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

When’s it my turn ffs

 

[irish-ranger]

When’s it my turn ffs

Hopefully in about 15 mins at 07::55HRS

 

[CongoGB]

Certainly isn't my turn right now - piece of absolute crap over the past few weeks.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Got this the other day, bit disappointed with +5 trigger but oh well, I'll take it

 

[Nate]

This may be hard to beleive, but the the picture is edited.
Sorry i got your hopes up =(

Noooo ways...

We all know that the only way you ever see a big hit on BTG is with some 'fake' screenshots

Nate

 

[greylady]

BTG is on a mission to take back all my win from DHV, which won't happen - strange how you get a good hit once and then it strikes for weeks/months (or in my case years) before it pays again

 

[Nate]

BTG is on a mission to take back all my win from DHV, which won't happen - strange how you get a good hit once and then it strikes for weeks/months (or in my case years) before it pays again

BTG is easy to win on again. Just clear your cookies and cache and it will remove any trace of your win.

 

[pinnit2014]

Still on the btg payroll - chance for second re trigger in 2 spins but alas...

40ps are definitely the sweet spot

 

[Jackstar]

Hope the luck continues! Your doing great with the wins... about time too

 

[pinnit2014]

Hope the luck continues! Your doing great with the wins... about time too

Another few days and i can maybe get the overdraft down to treble digits.

 

[curremon]

@Big Time Gaming Please fix your rigged game ? Im running now run with no D exist and seems like L is as rare as D was some time ago... I fucking love to play game where you have removed scatters from reel layout...

 

[Nate]

I love the way BTG is bragging about Bonanza being around for 4 years. That's another 4 years nobody saw a hit bigger than 5000x. That's another 4 years of not disclosing what the 'Max Potential' is. Another 4 years of devastating player balances. Another 4 years of updates you will never know about

Nate

 

[irish-ranger]

More retrigger tosh