Blackjack at 3Dice... What Are Your Thoughts & Experiances?

[zap987]

I disagree about posting opinions. What posters are doing here isn't posting opinions, they are accusing a casino of cheating and to do that you need proof or you need to keep your opinion to yourself. This is just common sense, you can believe your neighbour is a criminal as much as you want but would you call the police unless you had at least some proof?

 

[LaHutti]

As far as I know, noone called the police. OP asked about peoples opinions and people are giving just that. If that's a problem, the rules of this forum, should say, that you're not allowed to ask for peoples opinion, OR you're allowed to ask, but only those, with the same opinion as you guys, are allowed to reply.
I gave MY opinion, and that's pretty much it for me.

 

[chuchu59]

I disagree about posting opinions. What posters are doing here isn't posting opinions, they are accusing a casino of cheating and to do that you need proof or you need to keep your opinion to yourself. This is just common sense, you can believe your neighbour is a criminal as much as you want but would you call the police unless you had at least some proof?

I disagree with this statement. From what I have read most of the posts are opinions or experiences although it's true they do not bode well for 3Dice. If posting experiences/opinions like these are tantamount to accusing casinos of cheating we might as well cease posting. Actually, we should encourage the op's opening post because if we do feel there is something wrong with the software or the casino we should solicit opinions/experiences. No us sweeping everything under the carpet.

 

[X-Raided]

The OP is pretty much stating that 3dice BJ isn't fair.......so why play there if you think that?

I thought it was a logically sound statement, and thanked it as a result.

I'm amazed you would bother posting here given how little respect you have for its owner. Something about an "eng--->doosh dictionary" wasn't it? (its douche BTW ). When are you going to "expose him for the biased affiliate he is"? After all, his "days are #d" aren't they?

With all due respects Nifty, I think most people on this forum with the exception of a few
veterans have had enough of your degrading, derailing, low-blow replies.
Reps for online casinos are big boys and girls and can respond for themselves.

I'm asking for legitimate opinions and experiences to my questions raised. There's
no need to attack other responders if you don't agree with them. I don't agree with
my wife half the time but I won't degrade her. Get it Just take it a little easier buddy
and I'm sure you'll have a lot more fans.


As far as 3Dice's Blackjack... I'm CONVINCED there's something fishy going on. I'm staying
faaaar away. I just read NASHVEGAS'S audit thread that was done against 3Dice. Sends chills up my spine.

Other people on here are feeling the same vibes as I against 3Dice's Blackjack
so I'm happy to know that I'm not the only one who sees the ghost.

 

[X-Raided]

I disagree about posting opinions. What posters are doing here isn't posting opinions, they are accusing a casino of cheating and to do that you need proof or you need to keep your opinion to yourself. This is just common sense, you can believe your neighbour is a criminal as much as you want but would you call the police unless you had at least some proof?

All this coming from a person with two pitch-a-bitches.

When it comes to money, no one can be trusted...
lack of laws and a jurisdiction will allow shifty online casinos to up and
decide not to pay a legitimate win.. (That is why you pitched a couple of bitches, isn't it?)

Furthermore, opinions can become facts, IF, there are enough complaints from
multiple people having the same issues.. Like the sessions experienced at 3Dice's Blackjack.

 

[same_old]

I disagree about posting opinions. What posters are doing here isn't posting opinions, they are accusing a casino of cheating and to do that you need proof or you need to keep your opinion to yourself. This is just common sense, you can believe your neighbour is a criminal as much as you want but would you call the police unless you had at least some proof?

Yes, I agree with most of what you said,however- aren't you talking apples and pears here.

How did the AB poker stuff start before Ab actually took on board what the clientele were saying?

What about Wizard of odds who had a member on his forum say he thinks he isnt getting a fair game at a casino he was playing at so the Wizard went and tested it himself and it was found the casino WAS being dodgy?

Don't we ALL see the countless threads on the "casino is rigged" here at Casinomeister. This is what half of the topics are about and from there stems other conversations.

I really do not think it will stop anytime soon either. People are going to talk about this until the cows come home.

 

[Jasminebed]

I think asking for "winners" is no proof of fairness either. If the game is fair, no one that plays more than a few hands is NOT going to be a winner in the long run, a fair game has a house edge.

But any game that is shuffled after ever hand, with however many decks, DOES play differently. I'm not convinced that perfect play is the perfect way to play that.

I don't play online Blackjack on any regular basis for just that reason.

 

[funeral979]

I play alot of blackjack at 3Dice....probably a little too much lol.

Well, I can say that their blackjack can be quite brutal. My last 4 deposits have gone almost in a blink of an eye thanks to some rough blackjack sessions. Cannot seem to even put 2 wins in a row together.

Funny you started this thread actually, because just the other night I asked Anna what my RTP for blackjack was for the past 30 days, as I thought I was getting creamed. Well she came back at with an RTP of 101.5% (if im not mistaken, that was taking into account 1466 hands) I was pretty surprised. I guess I attribute that to one really good session where I won a bit, and then followed up by 6 or 7 rather poor short sessions. Just goes to show that we all seem to remember the bad sessions where we lose, but easily forget those winning sessions that we are lucky enough to get.

That being said, I still think online bj is an RTP driven slot, and not a true card game...even though Enzo has stated otherwise....I guess its hard to get away from that gut feeling that I have had for the past 5 years, whether it be true or not.

3Dice is really no better or worse than any other software I have played (with the possible exception of Bet on Soft.....their blackjack REALLY seems fishy to me). Very hard to get on a good roll...which is why I usually get out once I win 3 or 4 in a row. My best advice is pick your spots, keep your bets on the low side, and BELIEVE!

 

[Diane]

The only thing I have ever played at on 3dice was the blackjack and could never EVER win over the course of 2 years. The double's and splits were pure wastes but you had to take them due to basic strat.

It plays nothing and I mean nothing like the real brick and motor blackjack where *SHOCK* I have managed to scrap together a rather even number of winning and losing sessions compared to 3dice where nearly ever session that lasted for more then 5 minutes quickly turned into a loser.

Now you DO play more hands per hour then at a brick and motor but no...it just didn't feel right.....it felt like the Dealer punished you on doubling, it felt like the dealer could walk his cards up to one above you time after time, even RTG feels more fair and I am convinced RTG's card game are based on slot machine math not a random deal.



I did read an Audit 3dice got on it's blackjack from a respected auditor ONCE but A. It only audited that payout % and B. It was many years ago. I still may have it somewhere on my pc or it may have been lost in a reformat I don't know I don't really care.




What I would like to hear from is someone who actually plays 3dice's blackjack and has won money off it.

I have made money there playing BJ. But then I cashed out and can't deposit. But I would go back and play again in a heartbeat. I did well and felt games were similar to B&M in terms of my results and the randomness of cards etc.

Diane

 

[nisosbar]

Personally, I think the games there are very fair, and 3Dice is my preferred casino now.

More generally, wasn't it Nixon who said, "Either be loved or be hated; you should start worrying when they don't care." Or maybe it was in Machiavelli's book The Prince? Whatever. Somebody said it.

That is, people have strong opinions about legitimate casinos. You don't see too many "rigged!" threads about rogued softwares or casinos, do you?

 

[zap987]

Yes, I agree with most of what you said,however- aren't you talking apples and pears here.

How did the AB poker stuff start before Ab actually took on board what the clientele were saying?

What about Wizard of odds who had a member on his forum say he thinks he isnt getting a fair game at a casino he was playing at so the Wizard went and tested it himself and it was found the casino WAS being dodgy?

Don't we ALL see the countless threads on the "casino is rigged" here at Casinomeister. This is what half of the topics are about and from there stems other conversations.

I really do not think it will stop anytime soon either. People are going to talk about this until the cows come home.

In all those cases nothing actually happened before someone actually gathered some proof. Yes sure if something is dodgy it's ok to ask someone else to get proof because not everyone is good at math, but what happens in a thread like this is that a lot of people with no clue pile on and 'express their opinion' which usually only comes from their own ignorance of math. The OP is fine but there are several other posters quite clearly stating that the game is not fair.

 

[jstrike]

But any game that is shuffled after ever hand, with however many decks, DOES play differently. I'm not convinced that perfect play is the perfect way to play that.

This is an interesting point. I'm curious to know how many cards 3Dice uses in a shoe and whether it's reshuffled after every hand, or only at a certain point in the shoe. Maybe this has been dealt with on the forum before, sorry if I'm out of the loop...

Just goes to show that we all seem to remember the bad sessions where we lose, but easily forget those winning sessions that we are lucky enough to get.

I also agree this happens to everybody. I've seen it happen IRL, and now that I'm running games and watching hundreds of hands, it's just that much more obvious. Not just Blackjack -- for everything. For instance, during week one of our site, a guy deposited $2.50 (really), and lost it in 6 Roulette spins. He bet two columns at a time, and never won. He immediately went off howling on the Bitcoin forum that our whole system was rigged. He claimed he'd spun 10 times, not 6. I calmly pointed out that we had his history, that the odds are long but really not impossible of this happening, and that the same day we'd taken about $1100 in Roulette bets and actually paid out an RTP of about 105%. Some people have streaks of luck, I've seen it. And it takes weeks or months of solid data collection to show whether a game is rigged or isn't.

So I don't think that anyone here's saying that people should be hushed up or swept under the rug if they have serious accusations. But -- just as someone who's been on the wrong end of accusations like that which were false, and later retracted -- I think it's fair to take a step back and withhold judgment until there's a solid body of evidence one way or the other.

 

[X-Raided]

I think it's fair to take a step back and withhold judgment until there's a solid body of evidence one way or the other.

What's up Jstrike!

I'll be visiting your site to see what's new after I post this.

To answer your quote above, we can't gather solid evidence until people
do start posting their experiences at places they play at.

I understand your point to a degree. "Bigfoot has been spotted numerous
times but there is no solid evidence of his existence."

This thread is ONLY designed to gauge other peoples experiences with
their Blackjack sessions at 3Dice, not bash them and call their whole
operation rigged.

 

[3Dice]

Hi guys,

I'm answering from my cell between the palmtrees, so forgive my brevity. If anyone wants detailed stats or logs web are always happy to comply, just ask our support. Furthermore, and imho, opinions about fairness is a contradictio in terminus. You can have opinions about your luck or your experience, but fair is a fairly absolute thing.to make valid statements about that you need facts and proof, like for example the tst certificate 3dice has that demonstrates that the 3dice blackjack is fair and balanced.

There arw plenty of people on this forum that can help you run maths on your logs, which really is the minimum you should does before making any claims about fairness.to those who haven't had great luck at 3dice recently, I hope your luck changes soon!

Sunny greets,

Enzo

 

[silcnlayc]

Before I gave up 3Dice I asked for my stats. It came back over 95% Now let me ask how many others received this as their stats also? I had over 40+/- deposits that I can remember back to back without a hint of a withdrawal. (I do know how to withdraw).

So, how is it that I received over 95% Return??? I played blackjack a lot at 3Dice and what funeral979 says is true. You cannot go more than 3-4 hands winning and think you will win more. It won't happen. There is another thread around here somewhere about this same thing. How many blackjack hands to go before getting out.

It seemed many were grouped into this 95% when asking for their stats. It is a pretty nice round number and sounds good doesn't it. How does so many have the same % on return and such a good return I ask. But, as someone once said, if it feels wrong, move on. I did easily.


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[4 of a kind]

Enzo,

Does your casino supply monthly stats similar to the link below?

Check the casinos hold with B.J. which is being dealt by live dealers.


https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/online-rtp-settings.45680/

 

[Nifty29]

Before I gave up 3Dice I asked for my stats. It came back over 95% Now let me ask how many others received this as their stats also? I had over 40+/- deposits that I can remember back to back without a hint of a withdrawal. (I do know how to withdraw).

So, how is it that I received over 95% Return??? I played blackjack a lot at 3Dice and what funeral979 says is true. You cannot go more than 3-4 hands winning and think you will win more. It won't happen. There is another thread around here somewhere about this same thing. How many blackjack hands to go before getting out.

It seemed many were grouped into this 95% when asking for their stats. It is a pretty nice round number and sounds good doesn't it. How does so many have the same % on return and such a good return I ask. But, as someone once said, if it feels wrong, move on. I did easily.


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So, in other words, you think that Enzo/3dice deliberately fabricate stats to cover up the fact that they have rigged/cheating software? I'm not asking for proof or anything....just wanting confirmation.

AFAIK Enzo has offered to supply hand history in an Excel-ready form for anyone who wants to work out their own RTPs. I stand corrected if it isn't the case but I'm kinda remembering it from a while ago.

Did you read 4oaks article from the other day? It's a very good read and does address some of your concerns.

Remember, you can have a 95% RTP on any game and still end up with nothing.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 :

Did you read 4oaks article from the other day? It's a very good read and does address some of your concerns.

Nifty29 , I did read his article. I was going to ask if you read the same one that I did that he posted. The way I understood that article is that cheating does happen and I saw you thanked hime for this information. So, I was somewhat surprised by that thanks, knowing what it said. I think you might have read it wrong thinking it said there is no cheating? Or you actually came around to agree there is online cheating going on. Whichever one is true, the article states how to know when you are being hustled. Good read.

Remember, you can have a 95% RTP on any game and still end up with nothing.

Yes, this can happen and probably does, but for this to be true to everyone that asks for their stats?? Kinda hard to believe IMO, and it usually is given at this percentage point regardless of their continuous losses?? How many have gotten this reply would be an interesting poll. But truthfully, I do not care one way or another since I no longer play there and haven't since the last time I was given my stats. As I said before, If it feels wrong cut your losses and move on...which I did...It wasn't a place for me.

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[3mptyseat]

Yes, I agree with most of what you said,however- aren't you talking apples and pears here.

How did the AB poker stuff start before Ab actually took on board what the clientele were saying?

What about Wizard of odds who had a member on his forum say he thinks he isnt getting a fair game at a casino he was playing at so the Wizard went and tested it himself and it was found the casino WAS being dodgy?

Don't we ALL see the countless threads on the "casino is rigged" here at Casinomeister. This is what half of the topics are about and from there stems other conversations.

I really do not think it will stop anytime soon either. People are going to talk about this until the cows come home.

Ppl will debate it forever, no doubt. But with regulation, I think the topic will die down significantly, because a) the controls put in place by the regulating agencies will deter and prevent the cheating, and b) because ppl will have less doubt in the casinos, they will not foster the paranoid thoughts as much....

I dont think 3 dice is rigged... I think its a high variance joint, and I think its a high quality product... Cashouts in ur hand in 48 hours, in cash, where else can an american based player enjoy that.

ps: That being said, a tst cert. means that 'fairness' standards were met on the day of testing... As we all know, software and its preferences can be adjusted at anytime... Until tst is an in-suite product working in unison with the casino platform, the tst cert'ing is a nice fact from a marketing standpoint, but I don't see how it means anything in reality...

 

[jod5413]

ps: That being said, a tst cert. means that 'fairness' standards were met on the day of testing... As we all know, software and its preferences can be adjusted at anytime... Until tst is an in-suite product working in unison with the casino platform, the tst cert'ing is a nice fact from a marketing standpoint, but I don't see how it means anything in reality...

I agree with your statement here, 3emptyseat. Those are the exact thoughts I think on a regular basis. I do believe the casinos I favor are fair. But, having up to the minute stats on the game platform would certainly stop all talk of rigged games.

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty29 , I did read his article. I was going to ask if you read the same one that I did that he posted. The way I understood that article is that cheating does happen and I saw you thanked hime for this information. So, I was somewhat surprised by that thanks, knowing what it said. I think you might have read it wrong thinking it said there is no cheating? Or you actually came around to agree there is online cheating going on. Whichever one is true, the article states how to know when you are being hustled. Good read.

Yes, this can happen and probably does, but for this to be true to everyone that asks for their stats?? Kinda hard to believe IMO, and it usually is given at this percentage point regardless of their continuous losses?? How many have gotten this reply would be an interesting poll. But truthfully, I do not care one way or another since I no longer play there and haven't since the last time I was given my stats. As I said before, If it feels wrong cut your losses and move on...which I did...It wasn't a place for me.

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Yes, I did see the cheating part, but I'm not sure anyone can safely say that about 3Dice without any kind of long-term data. In regards to the 95% RTP and losing it all, I think it happens a lot....it certainly does with slots which have a similar RTP in some cases.

Did you also see the casino hold % of live casino BJ? 12% . On that basis, it may well be that online BJ has a better return than live BJ. Unfortunately, as it has been said, we all tend to remember the horrible bad patches and streaks but the times we hit 1000+x bet and RJ's etc seem to just fade away. The main problem is that many gamblers expect to win when they play, and then get pissed when they lose......and consequently do not make a big deal when they have a good run because they "expect" it to happen that way. If one thought the opposite way, and expected to lose every time they played, the big surprises would be the nice hits and the winning streaks rather than the losing streaks. We quite often see people complaining about losses being reminded by a rep or another member that they hit $xxxx a few weeks back, and then stating "oh yeah I forgot about that" or "I guess when you factor that in I'm actually in front".

If one is going to gamble in the long term, one needs to take a long term view...and that includes everything from a nice jackpot to a horrible bad streak. In the long term, both will happen and everything in between.

Anyway, if Enzo says your RTP is ~95%, then it should be easy to prove him wrong by getting your hand history. It's one thing to say "I don't like 3Dice or any other software's BJ because I never seem to win".....it's quite another to say "3Dice BJ is not fair/random and Enzo just tells everyone they have a similar RTP". One is an opinion based on experience, the other is an accusation/implication that someone is cheating/rigging games. When asked for evidence of such, they answer is invariably "well prove I'm wrong" which is a great cop-out and releases the accuser/complainer from any responbility to substantiate their "opinion" (read:accusations). It is incumbent upon the person making the accusation to provide proof, not the person questioning it's validity. Can you imagine what would happen if courts worked that way? Where you had to prove you didn't do something rather than the crown prove that you did?

I challenge anyone who believes 3Dice (or any other) BJ is unfair to obtain their complete hand history and calculate their RTP, and compare it with any figures obtained from the casino. I've only seen one person do it (Nashvegas) and he failed to prove anything whatsoever (except that maybe he had a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock).

Let's forget the opinions and implications and arguments......let's see some real data from those who have put forward this "theory"

Who's first???

(excuse me if I don't hold my breath.....)

 

[3mptyseat]

Kinda hard to believe IMO, and it usually is given at this percentage point regardless of their continuous losses?? How many have gotten this reply would be an interesting poll.
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It might be interesting, but it would not support ur beliefs... My RTP is a 91% over all there... It was over 100% at one point just after I won the random in february (or march?? cant recall) and at the beginning of may, it was a overall 97%... My daily RTP for the last 24 hours is a dismal, 71.7 percent... Which is why I gots to go, I am due...

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty, I chose to stop all play at 3Dice because as I stated earlier, it was not the place for me. It is as simple as that. No accusations...just wasn't meant for me to play there. I chose not to sit there and lose continuously, unlike others that choose to stay and work through their cold spells.

I had 1 too many long cold runs for my taste and moved on. That is all there is to it. I have chosen to play where I can withdraw every few deposits even if I am still in the red. 3Dice is just that, 3Dice. Good for many , bad for a few. I was one of the few that chose to bite the bullet and avoid this casino for MY pocketbooks sake. Nothing else.

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Yes, I did see the cheating part, but I'm not sure anyone can safely say that about 3Dice without any kind of long-term data. In regards to the 95% RTP and losing it all, I think it happens a lot....it certainly does with slots which have a similar RTP in some cases.

Did you also see the casino hold % of live casino BJ? 12% . On that basis, it may well be that online BJ has a better return than live BJ. Unfortunately, as it has been said, we all tend to remember the horrible bad patches and streaks but the times we hit 1000+x bet and RJ's etc seem to just fade away. The main problem is that many gamblers expect to win when they play, and then get pissed when they lose......and consequently do not make a big deal when they have a good run because they "expect" it to happen that way. If one thought the opposite way, and expected to lose every time they played, the big surprises would be the nice hits and the winning streaks rather than the losing streaks. We quite often see people complaining about losses being reminded by a rep or another member that they hit $xxxx a few weeks back, and then stating "oh yeah I forgot about that" or "I guess when you factor that in I'm actually in front".

If one is going to gamble in the long term, one needs to take a long term view...and that includes everything from a nice jackpot to a horrible bad streak. In the long term, both will happen and everything in between.

Anyway, if Enzo says your RTP is ~95%, then it should be easy to prove him wrong by getting your hand history. It's one thing to say "I don't like 3Dice or any other software's BJ because I never seem to win".....it's quite another to say "3Dice BJ is not fair/random and Enzo just tells everyone they have a similar RTP". One is an opinion based on experience, the other is an accusation/implication that someone is cheating/rigging games. When asked for evidence of such, they answer is invariably "well prove I'm wrong" which is a great cop-out and releases the accuser/complainer from any responbility to substantiate their "opinion" (read:accusations). It is incumbent upon the person making the accusation to provide proof, not the person questioning it's validity. Can you imagine what would happen if courts worked that way? Where you had to prove you didn't do something rather than the crown prove that you did?

I challenge anyone who believes 3Dice (or any other) BJ is unfair to obtain their complete hand history and calculate their RTP, and compare it with any figures obtained from the casino. I've only seen one person do it (Nashvegas) and he failed to prove anything whatsoever (except that maybe he had a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock).

Let's forget the opinions and implications and arguments......let's see some real data from those who have put forward this "theory"

Who's first???

(excuse me if I don't hold my breath.....)

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty, I chose to stop all play at 3Dice because as I stated earlier, it was not the place for me. It is as simple as that. No accusations...just wasn't meant for me to play there. I chose not to sit there and lose continuously, unlike others that choose to stay and work through their cold spells.

I had 1 too many long cold runs for my taste and moved on. That is all there is to it. I have chosen to play where I can withdraw every few deposits even if I am still in the red. 3Dice is just that, 3Dice. Good for many , bad for a few. I was one of the few that chose to bite the bullet and avoid this casino for MY pocketbooks sake. Nothing else.

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Fair enough.

The challenge wasn't personally aimed at you FWIW.

 

[same_old]

So, in other words, you think that Enzo/3dice deliberately fabricate stats to cover up the fact that they have rigged/cheating software? I'm not asking for proof or anything....just wanting confirmation.

AFAIK Enzo has offered to supply hand history in an Excel-ready form for anyone who wants to work out their own RTPs. I stand corrected if it isn't the case but I'm kinda remembering it from a while ago.

Did you read 4oaks article from the other day? It's a very good read and does address some of your concerns.

Remember, you can have a 95% RTP on any game and still end up with nothing.

Sorry nifty but I have to respectfully disagree with your section about NASHVEGAS.

Now don't get me wrong 90% of that mans posts were cryptic to say the least but this is the way he wanted it to be. He was actually talking more to the industry folk here and talking inhouse lingo so to speak ( I'm sure max and Bryan could verify this). Working in the online industry (myself) alot of what he was saying was in reference to that.

We all knew he was a WHALE of a BJ player and had been for a long while. I personally liked him and trusted his judegment in a lot of cases.

He was a very smart man that knew a lot about the online industry, the other half of the time he would talk about his love of sports and of course go into lingo again there.

Also just to add he DID go to the Wizard of odds when he played at 3dice and from the file/spreadsheet that was presented to the Wizard he said that there did NOT seem to be anything out of the ordinary.