I know, I know, Black Widow is listed in the rogue section. I can see why, I made a cashout on the 17th, the following day I called to verify the withdrawl. They told me that it would take 7-10 days for the withdrawl. Then they turn around and say it will be longer than the 7-10 day wait. They couldn't even verify when the withdrawl will go out. I will be surprised if I get it at all, talk about poor customer service. Anyways, if they dont have it to me by next week I am going to raise as much hell as I can until I get my money. Their website states up to 5 days for a cashout. BS!!!!!
Black Widow Cashout
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its a psychological game, they know the longer the funds are there the more likely you are to play with it. But, this case is complete B.S. They are pretty much like, we want your money right now, but If we owe you, we will pay you when we feel like it, if we feel like it. Th
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You'll NEVER get a 5 day cashin from Black Widow or Grand Banks. They will screw with you as long as possible, even longer if you ever accept any bonuses from them. Expect it to take AT LEAST a month to get your money, maybe more.
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You'll probably get paid, but they will drag it out as long as possible if they can't find a reason to deny it. If this is your first cashin, be sure you ask them if they need any faxback forms, etc to process your withdrawl. They would probably wait till the 'waiting period' has expired and then reverse it back to your account saying they need documents and start the whole procedure over again.
Look for the story Bryan posted after meeting with the owner of that group up in canada a few months ago. Its quite enlightening.
Look for the story Bryan posted after meeting with the owner of that group up in canada a few months ago. Its quite enlightening.
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What the hell toofast4u?
You've ben a member for some time now in this forum, so you've been privy to all the devious things this casino group has been up to. I'm kind of speechless...
I've spent hours of my time merely writing about these dweebs. Do you think I do this for funny ha-ha's?? No, I do this to warn players, you included. What did you expect from BW?
If I tell you the water has been poisoned, would you still drink it??
You've ben a member for some time now in this forum, so you've been privy to all the devious things this casino group has been up to. I'm kind of speechless...
I've spent hours of my time merely writing about these dweebs. Do you think I do this for funny ha-ha's?? No, I do this to warn players, you included. What did you expect from BW?
If I tell you the water has been poisoned, would you still drink it??
cipher
Banned member - being a jerk
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Toofast4u, I'm pretty confident that you'll get your money but I'm also confident that the pay-out will be along the lines of 30 days as per JPM's thought.
But in the future you'd better watch out, Black Widow and Grand Banks are train wrecks looking for a place to happen. Have a good one.
Cipher
But in the future you'd better watch out, Black Widow and Grand Banks are train wrecks looking for a place to happen. Have a good one.
Cipher
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LOL cipher, you put that SO well. I love that, a train wreck looking for a place to happen. Describes them perfectly!
This is absolutely standard operating procedure for these people, and it seems to work for them because they're still in business and that means that people (even those who have had ample warning) continue to play there and then put up with their BS.
Sorry to hear about your stress, toofast - but CM has been warning everyone for ages now, and on other sites there are similar tales of woe.
Sorry to hear about your stress, toofast - but CM has been warning everyone for ages now, and on other sites there are similar tales of woe.
worldtraveler
Dormant account
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I finally got my money today from Blackwidow. I cashed out July 19th. yes this is not a typo. It ook them over two months to pay. Thier policy is: the more you win, the longer you wait. Thye want to discourage repeat winners from playing.
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They sure do worldtraveler! If you like to lose, then you're welcome at Black Widow & Grand Banks. If you like to win, you won't be happy. They'll pretend to like you and welcome you, but they will make you wait forever for your money. Stay away!
worldtraveler
Dormant account
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Thanks jpm, but I will NOT stay away. I am just making too much money off them. I'll just play after they pay me, even if it takes them two months to pay. I have enough bankroll to ride, but their tactic is successfull at slowing me down. They cannot afford to have a reputation of not paying. But they can live with a reputation of slow paying winners. After all, they don't want those winners...
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Well don't say you weren't warned. Slow pay is typically a tactic used by a casino in financial trouble, basically borrowing from peter (new players) to pay paul (old winners). Its been shown time & time again, the latest being Atlantic Interbet. There were alot of players there who said the same thing as you, I'm making too much money and I don't mind them paying slow. Unfortunately for them, AIB up and closed about a year ago and most of them never saw their money again (including some employees even!).
Keep that in mind so that when it does happen there (and I think it will), you won't get any sympathy here. And I think they are on the rogue list as well, so I don't think Bryan would be too keen on helping at that point either.
Now its your choice to learn from history or repeat it!
Keep that in mind so that when it does happen there (and I think it will), you won't get any sympathy here. And I think they are on the rogue list as well, so I don't think Bryan would be too keen on helping at that point either.
Now its your choice to learn from history or repeat it!
worldtraveler
Dormant account
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Thanks again jpm. I will be careful.
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They were quicker way back when they were RTG. I played there alot then and I think it was about 1.5 week average for a paypal withdrawl. It was nowhere near as bad as it is now.
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Grand Banks is awful at paying out! I now have a withdrawal pending for 30 days. I will not play there again. Although I will say that in the past I won big there. One weekend I got 3 $4000 royal flushes!!! And yes I did get paid, but it took a long time.So long that I eventually put $4000 back in. It is hard to leave a place that lets you win, but I can't feel safe at a place where getting your winning is a crap shoot!
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Did you make a Neteller deposit and ask for a Neteller withdrawal?
The reason why I ask is that I also win there.
But, payouts DO take 30 days or more and then you have to keep chasing them for your money. Even with a Neteller account!
I asked Neteller to look into this problem.
Grand Banks and Black Widow BOTH emailed me and said that they are backlogged with Neteller withdrawals and to please be patient.
They also told me that if I wanted, get a Prepaid ATM card and they would send my money to the card instead of Neteller and that it would be faster.
NOW...WHY WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT WHEN I HAVE A NETELLER ACCOUNT...AND I TRUST NETELLER!!!
The reason why I ask is that I also win there.
But, payouts DO take 30 days or more and then you have to keep chasing them for your money. Even with a Neteller account!
I asked Neteller to look into this problem.
Grand Banks and Black Widow BOTH emailed me and said that they are backlogged with Neteller withdrawals and to please be patient.
They also told me that if I wanted, get a Prepaid ATM card and they would send my money to the card instead of Neteller and that it would be faster.
NOW...WHY WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT WHEN I HAVE A NETELLER ACCOUNT...AND I TRUST NETELLER!!!
cipher
Banned member - being a jerk
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Lanidar, I find it very strange indeed that Grand Banks AND Black Widow would suggest that you obtain a pre-paid ATM card. I stopped doing business sometime ago with pre-paid ATM and went with Neteller exclusively and I'm thinking that I'm glad I did. Have a good one.
Cipher
Cipher
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cipher, I agree with you that it was a VERY strange suggestion. But, I spoke to their CS personally and thats what the told me to do if I wanted a faster payout rather than using Neteller as a means of withdrawal. 
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This is also TOTAL B.S. from this casino group. Read the article Bryan posted here after he met with the guy who runs B.W. & G.B., he tells exactly why payouts are so slow. IT IS INTENTIONAL! The only reason there is a 'backlog' of neteller cashins is because these casinos created the backlog.
He spells it out very clearly, if you play there and you accept bonuses, they will screw with your cashin and delay it longer and longer to discourage you from playing there.
I've done well there myself but refuse to go back until they change this policy, regardless of all the bonus offers they throw at me. The software has been removed from my computer and won't go back until the straighten up. The only thing that will make them change is if it hurts their bottom line so I suggest that if you want to see the policy change, then boycott them until they change it or go under.
He spells it out very clearly, if you play there and you accept bonuses, they will screw with your cashin and delay it longer and longer to discourage you from playing there.
I've done well there myself but refuse to go back until they change this policy, regardless of all the bonus offers they throw at me. The software has been removed from my computer and won't go back until the straighten up. The only thing that will make them change is if it hurts their bottom line so I suggest that if you want to see the policy change, then boycott them until they change it or go under.
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You are absolutely correct...This is TOTAL BS!
Lets see what happens when Neteller gets back to me next week.
I asked Neteller to look into this problem.
Grand Banks and Black Widow BOTH emailed me and said that they are backlogged with Neteller withdrawals and to please be patient.
Lets see what happens when Neteller gets back to me next week.
I asked Neteller to look into this problem.
Grand Banks and Black Widow BOTH emailed me and said that they are backlogged with Neteller withdrawals and to please be patient.
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WOW! This is deja vu all over again! I had the same experience with Grand Banks. Had a nice $1,000 win. Went back & forth, with their service rep. Emails not returned, etc. They apologized for taking so long & would promise to have it credited in a few days. Then, nothing. Finally, one day when I called, I spoke with the casino manager. He asked if I had either a Neteller or Firepay account (I had both!). He said he could deposit the money right away into my firepay account, said it should be there within a day. I didn't believe it- but it was actually there in about 5 minutes! All that after weeks & weeks of problems??!! This was several months ago & I stopped playing there after the win. I just don't think you should have to fight to get your wins paid!
The thing with these guys is that you would probably been paid on that day even if you hadn't been hounding them. They have made the decision that payments are a four or six or eight week transaction. They are not going to be rushed but as long as they are solvent you will probably be paid albeit very sloooowwly.
Hip Hop
Hip Hop
Hi, I am new to this site, and I am now Cr*pping myself...totally. I have been doing casinos, playing perfect (well near perfect, except when you hit the wrong button!) blackjack for about 3-4 weeks now. (I did for a little bit about a year or so ago, but gave up due to other committments). I have been very successful with casinos bonuses etc, suppose I would be, playing with the best bonuses first etc.
But I played with Blackwidow (before i knew about this site, and their history
), twice!!! I deposited $1000 for a $400 bonus (cashing out $1207) and then $1000 for a $500 bonus (cashing out $2081). I havent been waiting that long, but reading these pages, and the correspodance I have had with BW so far, things dont look hopeful!
I just hope they dont take forever, as these two rather large sums make the difference of me doing very well with casinos and very badly, due to the $1000 deposits x 2! I am missing at the moment.
and $2000 is an awful lot of money to me!
I will just have to keep badgering them I suppose. Just got an excuse of their payments team being overwhelmed, and a groveling apology! Just give me my money!
end of moan for now!
James.
But I played with Blackwidow (before i knew about this site, and their history
), twice!!! I deposited $1000 for a $400 bonus (cashing out $1207) and then $1000 for a $500 bonus (cashing out $2081). I havent been waiting that long, but reading these pages, and the correspodance I have had with BW so far, things dont look hopeful!I just hope they dont take forever, as these two rather large sums make the difference of me doing very well with casinos and very badly, due to the $1000 deposits x 2! I am missing at the moment.
and $2000 is an awful lot of money to me!
I will just have to keep badgering them I suppose. Just got an excuse of their payments team being overwhelmed, and a groveling apology! Just give me my money!
end of moan for now!
James.
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James
Welcome to the list of winners waiting to be paid by Black Widow, Grand Banks & Sterling House Casino's.
They basically consider you some kind of 'bonus abuser' along with the rest of us and, although you may well get paid eventually, I hope you have a great Xmas and New Year first!!!
Look forward to your money sometime in 2004!!!
I am still waiting for a $125 payment from Grand Banks, originally cashed-in on 25th Sept. Thats only 7 weeks ago.
Best of luck.
PS: cheer up! - you do have the opportunity to enjoy many pointless chats with M2S2 live help!!!
PPS: meister - are you going to put GB & SH where they belong - on the R/L proper.
Welcome to the list of winners waiting to be paid by Black Widow, Grand Banks & Sterling House Casino's.
They basically consider you some kind of 'bonus abuser' along with the rest of us and, although you may well get paid eventually, I hope you have a great Xmas and New Year first!!!
Look forward to your money sometime in 2004!!!
I am still waiting for a $125 payment from Grand Banks, originally cashed-in on 25th Sept. Thats only 7 weeks ago.
Best of luck.
PS: cheer up! - you do have the opportunity to enjoy many pointless chats with M2S2 live help!!!
PPS: meister - are you going to put GB & SH where they belong - on the R/L proper.
What i cant believe is!!!!!!!
Approved Casino
Blackwidow Casino
Payout Percentage Verified
First class customer support. Prompt payouts.
Adherence to our Code of Ethics
If this casino fails to live upto your expectations please let us know.
Approved Casino
Grand Banks Casino
Payout Percentage Verified
First class customer support. Prompt payouts.
Adherence to our Code of Ethics
If this casino fails to live upto your expectations please let us know
And this is on the OPA's site! both the casinos are listed as approved by them!
Well I will give b/w a couple more days to payout, then I will go to them and see what they can do for me. They say they will mediate for their approved casinos!
Anyone had any experiences with them?
cheers,
James
Approved Casino
Blackwidow Casino
Payout Percentage Verified
First class customer support. Prompt payouts.
Adherence to our Code of Ethics
If this casino fails to live upto your expectations please let us know.
Approved Casino
Grand Banks Casino
Payout Percentage Verified
First class customer support. Prompt payouts.
Adherence to our Code of Ethics
If this casino fails to live upto your expectations please let us know
And this is on the OPA's site! both the casinos are listed as approved by them!
Well I will give b/w a couple more days to payout, then I will go to them and see what they can do for me. They say they will mediate for their approved casinos!
Anyone had any experiences with them?
cheers,
James
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Excellent news jamesc - that ought to slow down your consumption of the little white sheets!!!!!
Good luck with the rest, I'm still waiting for GB to cough.
Good luck with the rest, I'm still waiting for GB to cough.
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The OPA is paid to approve Grand Banks, Black Widow, etc. The OPA is NOT a player organization by any sense since they do not have a membership; only a couple of guys in Wales trying to make a buck off of this industry.
My experience at Montreal's expo last June should be required reading for all those who are depositing money at Black Widow and expect to be paid.
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/newsletter/2003/24june2003.html
My experience at Montreal's expo last June should be required reading for all those who are depositing money at Black Widow and expect to be paid.
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/newsletter/2003/24june2003.html
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'PPS: meister - are you going to put GB & SH where they belong - on the R/L proper.'
Bryan
Surely GB, SH & BW should be listed together. Then there is less temptation for anyone to deposit at GB & SH thinking that they are not as bad as BW - they are! - this lot are inextricably linked and should be so on the Rogue list!
Bryan
Surely GB, SH & BW should be listed together. Then there is less temptation for anyone to deposit at GB & SH thinking that they are not as bad as BW - they are! - this lot are inextricably linked and should be so on the Rogue list!
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I just can't believe how long it's taking them to process the cash ins. How can they expect players to go back if it's going to take over a month to receive the cash in? What a way of doing business!
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I think they are rogues and definately should be on the meister's sh*t list, but I think the problem he may have in doing this is that so far, they do eventually pay up. They just yank winners around for months until they scream enough and they get sick of hearing the complaints, so they pay. They are definately scumbags in this regard, but I think until they start ripping people off (again) completely and not paying them, they probably won't end up on the black list, just on the grey list.
Though I do think that if one of them is there (BW) then all 3 should be there, since they are all the same when you boil them down.
Maybe a good idea would be for everyone who is getting jerked around for longer than their website states for withdrawl times, write a stern but polite note to Playtech to complain. Be sure to refer to the casinos as Playtech's licensee or agent, that seems to get their attention since it puts some responsibility on their shoulders. Maybe if enough people complain about these clowns, they'll get some heat from Playtech about it.
Though I do think that if one of them is there (BW) then all 3 should be there, since they are all the same when you boil them down.
Maybe a good idea would be for everyone who is getting jerked around for longer than their website states for withdrawl times, write a stern but polite note to Playtech to complain. Be sure to refer to the casinos as Playtech's licensee or agent, that seems to get their attention since it puts some responsibility on their shoulders. Maybe if enough people complain about these clowns, they'll get some heat from Playtech about it.
cipher
Banned member - being a jerk
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JPM, I agree a good stern letter to PLAYTECH would be in order but only if you're not expecting to get a response from Playtech. Playtech is slower at answering emails than Black Widow, Grand Banks and Sterling House are at paying players. Have a good one.
Cipher
Cipher
Black Widow payout
They are still at it - making excuses about being unable to say when they will pay out. So far it is well over a month that I have been waiting. What can you do? Who are the regulators? Why have they destroyed their previously high reputation?
They are still at it - making excuses about being unable to say when they will pay out. So far it is well over a month that I have been waiting. What can you do? Who are the regulators? Why have they destroyed their previously high reputation?
cipher
Banned member - being a jerk
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Fred said:
Hi Fred, and welcome to the Forum. Fred, I've been on the internet now for nearly six years and I cannot recall a single instance when I've heard anyone singing the praises of GRAND BANKS or BLACK WIDOW CASINO. Have a good one.
Cipher
On or around the 15th November I posted the following.
Hi, I am new to this site, and I am now Cr*pping myself...totally. I have been doing casinos, playing perfect (well near perfect, except when you hit the wrong button!) blackjack for about 3-4 weeks now. (I did for a little bit about a year or so ago, but gave up due to other commitments). I have been very successful with casinos bonuses etc, suppose I would be, playing with the best bonuses first etc.
But I played with Blackwidow (before i knew about this site, and their history ), twice!!! I deposited $1000 for a $400 bonus (cashing out $1207) and then $1000 for a $500 bonus (cashing out $2081). I havent been waiting that long, but reading these pages, and the correspondence I have had with BW so far, things dont look hopeful!
I just hope they dont take forever, as these two rather large sums make the difference of me doing very well with casinos and very badly, due to the $1000 deposits x 2! I am missing at the moment.
and $2000 is an awful lot of money to me!
Since then on the 20th November I received my $2000 deposits back, and thats it.. NUMEROUS conversations on the M2S2 or whatever they call it, and emails etc, but I have got nowhere. My last two emails to them haven't even been replied to! I have now been waiting over 3 months. Is there a telephone number anyone has that actually gets through to someone at Blackwidow, rather than their intermediary?! Please please please let me know if there is, as it is now taking the p*ss!! I want my money!
Cheers James.
PS Since the beginning of November USD has fallen dramatically against GBP so my profits have been eroded by about 20-25% anyway!
Hi, I am new to this site, and I am now Cr*pping myself...totally. I have been doing casinos, playing perfect (well near perfect, except when you hit the wrong button!) blackjack for about 3-4 weeks now. (I did for a little bit about a year or so ago, but gave up due to other commitments). I have been very successful with casinos bonuses etc, suppose I would be, playing with the best bonuses first etc.
But I played with Blackwidow (before i knew about this site, and their history ), twice!!! I deposited $1000 for a $400 bonus (cashing out $1207) and then $1000 for a $500 bonus (cashing out $2081). I havent been waiting that long, but reading these pages, and the correspondence I have had with BW so far, things dont look hopeful!
I just hope they dont take forever, as these two rather large sums make the difference of me doing very well with casinos and very badly, due to the $1000 deposits x 2! I am missing at the moment.
and $2000 is an awful lot of money to me!
Since then on the 20th November I received my $2000 deposits back, and thats it.. NUMEROUS conversations on the M2S2 or whatever they call it, and emails etc, but I have got nowhere. My last two emails to them haven't even been replied to! I have now been waiting over 3 months. Is there a telephone number anyone has that actually gets through to someone at Blackwidow, rather than their intermediary?! Please please please let me know if there is, as it is now taking the p*ss!! I want my money!
Cheers James.
PS Since the beginning of November USD has fallen dramatically against GBP so my profits have been eroded by about 20-25% anyway!
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Hi James,
If you haven't done so already, fill out a pitch a bitch. I'm forwarding these to Playtech. Please indicate wheter or not your deposit was made via Neteller since they will be informed as well.
Bryan
If you haven't done so already, fill out a pitch a bitch. I'm forwarding these to Playtech. Please indicate wheter or not your deposit was made via Neteller since they will be informed as well.
Bryan
Well, in the end I wound up reversing my cashout and lost the funds. This was after it was waiting in my account for about a week, damn temptation
. Anyways, nothing pisses me off more when a casino is so quick to take your money, but then is like 'We will pay you when we feel like it'. Oh well, it was a small amount deposited anyways, but a grand in my bank account would have been nice. Screw them, let them die and forever be in online casino hell.
. Anyways, nothing pisses me off more when a casino is so quick to take your money, but then is like 'We will pay you when we feel like it'. Oh well, it was a small amount deposited anyways, but a grand in my bank account would have been nice. Screw them, let them die and forever be in online casino hell.- Joined
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That is exactly why they do it, hoping you'll do just that. The deserve a special place in casino hell!
thesmacker
Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006
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Thats too bad tofast, you did exactly what they wanted. If you had of waited I'm sure they would have paid, oh well, lesson learned. Bottomline Black Widow and Grandbanks are dispicable. Do Not Play at these places!!
thesmacker said:
Yeah if I would have waited a month or more
I just cashed out of Phoenician yesterday for a profit of a little over $1800, and they payed immediately, thats the way it should be
There is absolutely no reason for a casino to take even 5 days to pay a winner, its not like they don't have the money and its not like they can't send the money right away, its because the choose not to. Its all about temptation, I have reversed cashouts numerous times, and if I had left it alone I would probably have thousands more in my bank account than I do now.- Joined
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- Location
- Europe
Played both GrandBanks and BlackWidow several times getting the bonuses...every time it has taken about 2 months to get paid.......but I have always got paid.....had to resort to "threatening" emails though :-(
If your patience is strong, and you enjoy the stress of having to harangue the casino just to get them to meet their promises and obligations, this group is for you!
I cannot understand why anyone would want to risk being subjected to this sort of treatment when there are more trouble-free venues out there.
I cannot understand why anyone would want to risk being subjected to this sort of treatment when there are more trouble-free venues out there.
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I have played at BlackWidow "before" I found CasinoMeister
I currently have a 1500$ withdrawal pending with them for over 5 months. Each time I talk to them they tell me it would be process soon. But so far I never received any money. Can anyone tell me what they had to do to get their money?
Thanks!
I currently have a 1500$ withdrawal pending with them for over 5 months. Each time I talk to them they tell me it would be process soon. But so far I never received any money. Can anyone tell me what they had to do to get their money?
Thanks!
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I have a pending 580$ withdrawal at GrandBanks for 5months ,too, and Im eventually about to accept the fact that Ill never get my money....
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For those of you still waiting for BW payments, I would suggest emailing every webmaster that is still promoting these guys and demand an apology.
Do a google search on Black Widow Casino and you'll get a slew of them.
I would also contact Richwebmaster
There is also the OPA
give Mike Craig a call and tell him what a sham this casino group is.
Do a google search on Black Widow Casino and you'll get a slew of them.
I would also contact Richwebmaster
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and demand an apology as well. If it weren't for these affiliates and affiliate managers who pimp this casino off on as many players as possible, you wouldn't be waiting five months to be paid. There is also the OPA
give Mike Craig a call and tell him what a sham this casino group is.
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I can't believe I got the Black Widow Blues
I got sucked in by their pitch that they had improved their payback system to VIP members and now I am waiting for a lousy $150 for 10 days & counting. Nothing has changed but the time on the clock.
Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.
Don't follow my lead and get sucked in too. Delete their software and go somewhere else.
I got sucked in by their pitch that they had improved their payback system to VIP members and now I am waiting for a lousy $150 for 10 days & counting. Nothing has changed but the time on the clock.Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.
Don't follow my lead and get sucked in too. Delete their software and go somewhere else.
