Been documenting all my gambling activity for more than a year

[Gaz237]

Deluded.

What part of this do you not understand?




No, this just shows the level of your ignorance and stupidity and not the other way around.
Between you and me I'm gambling free close to a month now and feeling great about it.
You maybe have issues.

I feel sorry for IDIOTS like you!

I honestly cannot work out if you are just trolling, Or completely bonkers.

 

[dontknowtobet]

I honestly cannot work out if you are just trolling, Or completely bonkers.

If you choose to be selective about the text that you read then you won't be able to work it out indeed.
The other guy is clearly trying to offend me and when people do I don't stay numb and allow them to punch without retaliation.

 

[dontknowtobet]

Right, for someone who wants to run a forum (and clearly wants to publicize it through CM to save him talking to himself in most threads) maybe you would learn throwing insults about is futile and counter-productive.

As regards my 'stupidity' I will expose a bit of yours - you cite above losing on 20th. of November 2014 £1k as an example of NOT using an excuse when SE'd.

YET:



So (apologies for any of my inherent stupidity here) you couldn't have used the excuse I referred to on your quoted date of 20 Nov 2014 anyway! Get your story straight at least!

Spare your pity for my 'idiocy' and give it to your poor wife, as you clearly have done on your 'remorseful days' in your forum before crumbling again later...

And I am the idiot???

Don't victimize yourself for me calling you an idiot for nothing, ok?
You started it, and you use a poisonous language and to people like you the only thing I want to say is to F off, I can't stand people like you who think they are smarter than anyone else and think they know better and think they can insult others just like that ... so do me a favor, before you judge me and complain I'm insulting you LOOK @ THE MIRROR. I am not sorry for any single word that I said and calling you an idiot was pretty much justified.

Now let me answer you because you feel the need to keep on being an s and can't change your tone yet, I personally think you are the one who needs to apologize here, not me to you:

• Now what part of myself being permanently self excluded from Bet365 do you not understand? I believe the permanent exclusion started in 2013 way before I started writing my story or documenting my gambling activity.
• I had an unused Debit Card in November 2014 which I used with Bet365
• Did I cry out in this forum or other forum anything when my bet was lost? NO! But you ridiculously tried to say I would - now where is your apology?
• I got a new card 2 months ago - so I used it - call me an addict? FINE! But isn't it what this forum is about? Quitting gambling?
• I'm still trying to comprehend what else you're trying to convey now that all of your claims one by one are disproven as idiotic! So, what else you gott to say about the dates (November, January)? Anything else you need me to explain myself even though I don't owe you anything?

 

[naththo]

Firstly if you are self exclusion from casino. Then you shall not return at all ever. You still have and I think that is really sound suspicious to me something is really going on. For example if you exclude yourself from Bet365 then you must not return at all ever. Do you know what exclusion really mean for example in high school? Mean you are kicked out and never want you back again. And you will have to find another school to go to.

Secondly advertise those link here is never okay. We already have forum that is called Quit Gambling which can be found in here on Casinomeister so please don't advertise that link. We only need here in this forum, that's all.

Thirdly, please don't you ever dare return to casino with different alias (name) or any difference in address, id, etc. I have read one of the most disturbing story. https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2012/ You can be caught for that!

So for piece of advice, if you have done self exclude yourself from casino, then please adhere to policy and do not return at all. Just stay away. Because you have problem with impulsive gambling so you need to stay away and you will feel a lot safer to stay away. You would have had a lot of money by then saving up from work or so. It is your responsibility to look after yourself and the money.

I know addiction is a real bitch to deal with it but you can do it. Don't let the addiction win you back.

 

[dontknowtobet]

Firstly if you are self exclusion from casino. Then you shall not return at all ever. You still have and I think that is really sound suspicious to me something is really going on. For example if you exclude yourself from Bet365 then you must not return at all ever. Do you know what exclusion really mean for example in high school? Mean you are kicked out and never want you back again. And you will have to find another school to go to.

Secondly advertise those link here is never okay. We already have forum that is called Quit Gambling which can be found in here on Casinomeister so please don't advertise that link. We only need here in this forum, that's all.

Thirdly, please don't you ever dare return to casino with different alias (name) or any difference in address, id, etc. I have read one of the most disturbing story. https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2012/ You can be caught for that!

So for piece of advice, if you have done self exclude yourself from casino, then please adhere to policy and do not return at all. Just stay away. Because you have problem with impulsive gambling so you need to stay away and you will feel a lot safer to stay away. You would have had a lot of money by then saving up from work or so. It is your responsibility to look after yourself and the money.

I know addiction is a real bitch to deal with it but you can do it. Don't let the addiction win you back.

Thank you for relating to my story and writing in a proper manner unlike the other guy.
Well, let me shed more light on my story if that helps you to better understand it or "believe" it as much as it sounds perhaps suspicious to you it's not, and I'm not sure what's the big deal or fuss you're having about exclusions.

There are certain ways each bookmaker is seeing a self-exclusion, some will completely VOID all of your bets whether win or lose (e.g. BetVictor, PaddyPower) but some would take your action despite the fact you're excluded. Yes, you heard it right. Bet365 is one of them.

Bet365 is also one of the quickest to pay websites, and one of the honest websites I've been with ... yet of course I would say there is some degree of being unscrupulous for letting self-excluded players to come back and play ... and by that I mean they are not like BetVictor or PaddyPower that would VOID your activity and that by itself would discourage you from coming back to them - but instead they will still honor your bet, whether it wins or loses.

I preferred whilst still being an "addict" to go back to Bet365 because they are reliable, because I know that betting with them £1,000 on NBA game is a pure bet for me, without needing to go through hassles such as many other websites give you (e.g. wait 1 week to get paid, ask for 1000 of documents), not that I don't have what other websites need - but I preferred to deal with one of the best companies when betting because I knew they stand behind their word and respect what they tell you they respect.

Yes, now regarding the school analogy of course I shouldn't "come back" to them but I found a hole in their system allowing me to deposit with unused payment methods ... and you know how gambling addicts' mind works.
Do you ask if they know about it? Yes.
Have I had discussions with some supervisors about it? Yes.
But I told them I'm getting more control of gambling activity and thank god it is waning by itself more and more.

I'm happy, proud and feeling great with my recovery so far.
What I don't feel happy with are guys that like straight to attack without any feasible reason.

Once again I am thanking you for keeping the level of netiquette here as proper ... regarding URLs no problem, duly noted.

 

[naththo]

Thats not good re found a way to get back in without them notice. Its casino fault for letting this happen. I think it is clear BET365 should check their loophole and make sure they close some loophole. Maybe they either can't be bothered to do this or maybe they are too soft. But really they should be really following casino accredited guide coming from here. I am sure Moderator/admin are already aware of this and they should speak to Bet365 to get Bet365 to sort it out. Its not your problem to fix as you don't have to do anything. Its Bet365 responsibility for the duty they have to take care of player who are excluded from. It seems they have failed one big thing. Thats not looking good.

I can understand what you are explaining I have better clear picture of it. So that is clear that some casino does have some loophole they haven't fix it yet. They should be aware of it but it is their responsibility to ensure they have everything covered to follow the casino accredited rules who wants this to become accreditation. It is interesting to read though yes. I am sure gambling addiction is a true bastard that is hard to get off, I did had before and it wasn't pretty but I am so glad I have fixed so much problem with addiction now this is just better days I am having since few years ago. I am pleased. I am please you have done the right way to cut down on addiction, thats the best thing. Good on you man.

Nathan.

 

[dontknowtobet]

Thats not good re found a way to get back in without them notice. Its casino fault for letting this happen. I think it is clear BET365 should check their loophole and make sure they close some loophole. Maybe they either can't be bothered to do this or maybe they are too soft. But really they should be really following casino accredited guide coming from here. I am sure Moderator/admin are already aware of this and they should speak to Bet365 to get Bet365 to sort it out. Its not your problem to fix as you don't have to do anything. Its Bet365 responsibility for the duty they have to take care of player who are excluded from. It seems they have failed one big thing. Thats not looking good.

I can understand what you are explaining I have better clear picture of it. So that is clear that some casino does have some loophole they haven't fix it yet. They should be aware of it but it is their responsibility to ensure they have everything covered to follow the casino accredited rules who wants this to become accreditation. It is interesting to read though yes. I am sure gambling addiction is a true bastard that is hard to get off, I did had before and it wasn't pretty but I am so glad I have fixed so much problem with addiction now this is just better days I am having since few years ago. I am pleased. I am please you have done the right way to cut down on addiction, thats the best thing. Good on you man.

Nathan.

Nathan,

I agree with every word that you said, and once again I'm asking this forum why dunover had to talk with a poisonous language if all of you seem to talk properly and nicely without hurting anyone?

Regarding what you said - absolutely, by all means get the admins of this site to contact Bet365 and ask them to close the loophole of allowing members who are self-excluded from betting again - by simply informing them that the bets placed will be void regardless of the outcome ... perhaps Bet365's system is not capable of doing so because they trade those bets in live and so placing such bets does "change" the market and therefore they have to accept it - I'm not sure and I don't know how BetVictor and PaddyPower for instance succeed in cancelling and voiding all bets, the manager of Bet365 I spoke with couldn't disclose details in that area (and by the way in favor of BetVictor I can testify they once found my exclusion once and they refunded the deposit DESPITE the fact it was a losing bet! Since then I've never ever tried to play again there.)

Yes, gambling addiction is a demon and the sooner you can get rid of it the better your life is likewise.

 

[asm]

I understand, and that's good. By no means am I trying to convince anyone to gamble.

I don't bet that myself these days either and I understand this sounds like an exaggeration, but I have probably placed over a hundred thousand bets in my life. I am also on the plus. I will also say that I would not place a thousand pound bet unless my bankroll would be up at 30 thousand pounds. The reason for me betting less and less is because the money isn't easy anymore.

But, this topic is hard for me to discuss in English so I digress. I hope you keep your nose out of betting, good luck in your future endeavors outside betting

Thanks for referring to the article, I appreciate that. Now I can relate to it.
Yes, you can look at my diary, my last bet was placed on the 8th of March 2015, I risked £1,000 to win £910 in an NBA game. It was a winning bet.
Now you can say I was "smart" for taking advantage of the linemakers, you can say "here you go ... 3 weeks have passed and you are still up £910 and probably don't think of ever betting again - so that is a great example to prove otherwise" ....

But no, I'd say no to that ... you know why? Because if you look at my entire history of gambling you would see that I lost a lot in the past ... I won $10,000 by betting on Obama to win the US elections, I won another $10,000 from NBA bets and even more - I had so much money and I wasted it like that ...

I know where I came from and I know that I met thousands of people with similar problems.
I might look at betting differently now, but I know where I came from, and I know that anything to do with gambling is risky ... I'd rather leave it behind me and focus on my wife which I love the most, I dedicate 1000% of me to her instead of wasting even 1% single percent on gambling.

 

[dontknowtobet]

I understand, and that's good. By no means am I trying to convince anyone to gamble.

I don't bet that myself these days either and I understand this sounds like an exaggeration, but I have probably placed over a hundred thousand bets in my life. I am also on the plus. I will also say that I would not place a thousand pound bet unless my bankroll would be up at 30 thousand pounds. The reason for me betting less and less is because the money isn't easy anymore.

But, this topic is hard for me to discuss in English so I digress. I hope you keep your nose out of betting, good luck in your future endeavors outside betting

You are a newbie in this forum, can I ask how many years have you been gambling so far?
There were times I was in the plus, you could say plus of $50,000 and even more than that.
It didn't remain so forever though.

 

[asm]

I started betting before this whole thing moved online, or before I even had a computer. I would guess 1995.
In around 2005 to 2014 is where most of my action is in though. Throughout these years I was a winning player.

For bet amounts I used pretty much the kelly. That doesn't make me get rich quick, but if one is looking to get rich quick gambling is the wrong place to look.

edit: I will add that the reason for me not betting that much anymore is because there's no fun in it (the amount of work that goes in is as profitable as being in a dayjob and dayjobs are more fun), and the money is getting tighter in the sports I used to bet the most (hockey, MMA).

 

[dontknowtobet]

I started betting before this whole thing moved online, or before I even had a computer. I would guess 1995.
In around 2005 to 2014 is where most of my action is in though. Throughout these years I was a winning player.

For bet amounts I used pretty much the kelly. That doesn't make me get rich quick, but if one is looking to get rich quick gambling is the wrong place to look.

edit: I will add that the reason for me not betting that much anymore is because there's no fun in it (the amount of work that goes in is as profitable as being in a dayjob and dayjobs are more fun), and the money is getting tighter in the sports I used to bet the most (hockey, MMA).

Sounds interesting ... if it works for you then great, you're probably among the minority who succeed though.

 

[Jono777]

*** Yawnnnn ** Stretcchhhh **** Yawnnnn ****

Ah that's better

 

[Tirilej]

I'm being honest about what I'm going through.
Haven't gambled for more than 3 weeks now and wanting to keep it up.

I have a hard time to understand why this thread is in the quit gambling forum at all.
I can't see that the OP is trying to quit gambling really. I see someone who can't stay away and are using the documentation of it as an excuse to continue living the life of a gambler. Sharing experiences and history....

The only way anyone can stop gambling is to stop gambling. Stop living it. Stop having it as an interest.
Also to tell some people how they can continue to gamble in some places are maybe not what should be told. It's better to take that information directly to someone who can deal with it.

I'm just saying how I see this thread and what's in it so don't get offended by it please. Think about it instead.

 

[dontknowtobet]

I have a hard time to understand why this thread is in the quit gambling forum at all.
I can't see that the OP is trying to quit gambling really. I see someone who can't stay away and are using the documentation of it as an excuse to continue living the life of a gambler. Sharing experiences and history....

The only way anyone can stop gambling is to stop gambling. Stop living it. Stop having it as an interest.
Also to tell some people how they can continue to gamble in some places are maybe not what should be told. It's better to take that information directly to someone who can deal with it.

I'm just saying how I see this thread and what's in it so don't get offended by it please. Think about it instead.

I'm not offended and I'm not sure if you've seen many compulsive gamblers who honestly and really been out of gambling for good, and by good I mean "for good" as always.

So far my last bet was placed on the 8th of March 2015, so next week it would be a whole month free of gambling.
Does it mean I'm 100% guaranteed to not have any kind of relapse again in the future? No one can guarantee that.

But I can tell you I feel much better now and I don't feel the need to gamble right now, not at all.
I hope to keep it for as long as I can.

Bottom line: it's 100% about quitting gambling.

 

[Tirilej]

I'm not offended and I'm not sure if you've seen many compulsive gamblers who honestly and really been out of gambling for good, and by good I mean "for good" as always.

So far my last bet was placed on the 8th of March 2015, so next week it would be a whole month free of gambling.
Does it mean I'm 100% guaranteed to not have any kind of relapse again in the future? No one can guarantee that.

But I can tell you I feel much better now and I don't feel the need to gamble right now, not at all.
I hope to keep it for as long as I can.

Bottom line: it's 100% about quitting gambling.

Most people who try to quit have a nice time the first month. It's easy because it's new.

Even though you don't place any bets you're still gambling in a way. You're here talking about it, reading about it, writing about it. You experience it again in your mind. It's tricky and will probably never leave. That doesn't matter so much as long as you keep the bad memories closest to your heart. Never forget the reason why you want to quit gambling.

You will make it, but only if you really want it!!
So have you made up your mind? What will you do instead because you can't keep on talking about it another year?

Edit: You asked if I had seen many gamblers been out of it for good. The answer is yes and I still have some contact with people I helped to quit 10-15 years ago.
If they start again tomorrow I will probably not hear about it though

 

[dunover]

Most people who try to quit have a nice time the first month. It's easy because it's new.

Even though you don't place any bets you're still gambling in a way. You're here talking about it, reading about it, writing about it. You experience it again in your mind. It's tricky and will probably never leave. That doesn't matter so much as long as you keep the bad memories closest to your heart. Never forget the reason why you want to quit gambling.

You will make it, but only if you really want it!!
So have you made up your mind? What will you do instead because you can't keep on talking about it another year?

Edit: You asked if I had seen many gamblers been out of it for good. The answer is yes and I still have some contact with people I helped to quit 10-15 years ago.
If they start again tomorrow I will probably not hear about it though

Yes, I must admit for somebody purporting to be serious about quitting the OP seems to be constantly thinking about gambling. I would hazard a guess that the present abstinence is either through lack of funds/debts or preferably by being prevented, for example by handing over finances to his wife i.e. bank and credit cards.
Sometimes if you physically prevent the addict from indulging, then the psychological healing is expedited.

Reading between the lines, there are things that stand out in his diary such as placing £1000 to win £49. This suggests profit or money isn't his subconscious objective but an underlying need to feel achievement; the act of winning means more to him than the reward for doing so.

This often occurs in people who are not challenged in everyday life especially work, or feel that what they are doing each day is below their abilities and levels of expectation.

 

[dontknowtobet]

Yes, I must admit for somebody purporting to be serious about quitting the OP seems to be constantly thinking about gambling.

If you read my diary you would notice that whenever I think about gambling or actually doing it I write about it, now let's see how many threads I had in my diary in March 2015:

• 8th of March 2015 - Been a "Long time" - The last time I placed a bet
• 9th of March 2015 - Many surprised gamblers - Another thread related to the last bet that I placed (NBA)
• 25th of March 2015 - How it has been so far? - One thread where I described how I feel
• 30th of March 2015 - CasinoMeister's thread - Referring to my thread here that for a while was a "dead" thread

So 4 times within a month - I wouldn't call it "constantly" but you seem to be an expert of reading people's mind (how about the previous posts we have in this thread where I proved you wrong?)

I would hazard a guess that the present abstinence is either through lack of funds/debts or preferably by being prevented, for example by handing over finances to his wife i.e. bank and credit cards.
Sometimes if you physically prevent the addict from indulging, then the psychological healing is expedited.

Lack of funds?
Sorry to inform you but thank god I have no lack of funds ... if I wanted to gamble I have 5 credit cards with a combined balance of exactly £23,300 - no balance is due on them, so I could technically if wanted - would easily spend £20,000+ on gambling. Not to mention positive balance in the banks as well so it would be £50,000 or more actually.

Debts?
None whatsoever, absolutely no debts at all, not on credit cards (balances are fully paid), not in the bank, and nothing nada whatsoever.

Handing over finances to wife?
No, thank god we have never reached that point.

So what else do you have to say, Mr. I-READ-PEOPLE'S-MIND-AND-I'M-NEVER-WRONG ?!

 

[Tirilej]

Ok, he did provoke you, but you didn't need to take the challenge.
Why the need to defend yourself or explain?

For me the question still are if you really want to quit, and how will you manage doing that?

 

[dontknowtobet]

Ok, he did provoke you, but you didn't need to take the challenge.
Why the need to defend yourself or explain?

When someone tries to punch you, you can either run or retaliate - I chose the 2nd option, and it wasn't just provoking - that guy is being an s in this thread, and not for the first time. I'm trying to show him it would be better if he stops being a douche.

For me the question still are if you really want to quit, and how will you manage doing that?

I am not sure if you are asking me in a way that I gambled yesterday and that I sound desperate for help, please check my diary, here are my last 2 bets that I placed, with exact dates:

• 6th of February 2015
• 8th of March 2015

So basically in the past 2 months I placed exactly 2 bets, no more and no less.

Do you ask if I want to maintain it this way? Yes & No. On the one hand, I want the next 2 months to be without a single bet completely. However even if I get 1 relapse and keep it that way - I'll be happy with that. Looking at such a record still makes me proud, because that shows I am managing to do that.

how will you manage doing that?

With my diary of course, since I started the website and writing about it things got improved.
I am more honest with myself, I am now calculating every single penny that is related to gambling, so I'm happy with that.

Honesty is the best policy, and it's one of the best tools to help you quit gambling.

 

[Jono777]

This is turning into another 'Facebook' thread.

Sure you expect disagreements and a bit of confrontation on an open forum but lets call it a day on this one eh

 

[Tirilej]

When someone tries to punch you, you can either run or retaliate - I chose the 2nd option, and it wasn't just provoking - that guy is being an s in this thread, and not for the first time. I'm trying to show him it would be better if he stops being a douche.



I am not sure if you are asking me in a way that I gambled yesterday and that I sound desperate for help, please check my diary, here are my last 2 bets that I placed, with exact dates:

• 6th of February 2015
• 8th of March 2015

So basically in the past 2 months I placed exactly 2 bets, no more and no less.

Do you ask if I want to maintain it this way? Yes & No. On the one hand, I want the next 2 months to be without a single bet completely. However even if I get 1 relapse and keep it that way - I'll be happy with that. Looking at such a record still makes me proud, because that shows I am managing to do that.



With my diary of course, since I started the website and writing about it things got improved.
I am more honest with myself, I am now calculating every single penny that is related to gambling, so I'm happy with that.

Honesty is the best policy, and it's one of the best tools to help you quit gambling.

Well to me it's not looking as if you're trying to quit gambling, but you do try to control it.
Maybe you will manage to do that and maybe not.

What I still don't understand is what you're doing in this forum? What are you looking for? What do you want us to do since you obviously isn't interested in any help or advices?
I haven't read any diary of yours for the simple reason that it doesn't interest me.

So what do you want?

 

[Jono777]

Nicely put - Mine was the short version

 

[dontknowtobet]

Well to me it's not looking as if you're trying to quit gambling, but you do try to control it.
Maybe you will manage to do that and maybe not.

What I still don't understand is what you're doing in this forum? What are you looking for? What do you want us to do since you obviously isn't interested in any help or advices?
I haven't read any diary of yours for the simple reason that it doesn't interest me.

So what do you want?

To be honest I wrote about it initially in order to get more people not only to read about me specifically but to read about other point of views of gambling as well as many other stories which I include in my website, so I opened the thread initially to gather more stories and point of views about gambling. You're right that I'm not here simply and only and purely looking for advice for myself as I'm quite more in control of the problem than the way I was years ago but I would never treat this problem as something that I have 100% control of - you need to set your barriers by yourself and you cannot trust yourself 100% when it comes to gambling (there is a famous saying of Sean Bean from the movie Ca$h in 2010: "when it comes to cash nobody can be trusted").

So you're asking what am I doing here ... I started this thread in 18th of January 2015 and left it as it is, I didn't see lots of responses and didn't try to bump this thread or do anything ... all was well until the 9th of March when someone had discussion with me about what I said that sports betting doesn't require skills (and he believes it does). I work in the online advertising business (not with gambling) and I saw (although it's not related to me) that PaddyPower has just now reduced the rate they pay affiliates for sports-betting actions - they pay £2.50/person whilst for Bingo, Casino and others they pay £10.00/person. So I definitely agree sports-betting is more "vulnerable" to gambling establishments than casinos and such but in the end of the day it's all running around the same concept.

So that's what we argued about - he claims it requires skill, I claimed differently - and since then the only thing I did was replying to those who addressed what I wrote ... it took me 3 weeks to realize I got some replies in this thread (made on the 9th of March, I replied 3 weeks later, didn't bother to check it before because I thought this thread is "dead" but then found emails indicating I got replies).

One more thing - some of you guys seem to be very unfriendly and I'm not sure why. Just reminding you the goof who started all the mess in this thread is "dunover" who replied to me in the 9th of March and tried to claim I'm an evil player - and now that his claims were disproved you seem to attempt and use any "weapon" in your arsenal simply to attack me for no reason - wouldn't it be easier to try and be friendly and then you can realize you're asking irrelevant questions?

 

[Tirilej]

One more thing - some of you guys seem to be very unfriendly and I'm not sure why. Just reminding you the goof who started all the mess in this thread is "dunover" who replied to me in the 9th of March and tried to claim I'm an evil player - and now that his claims were disproved you seem to attempt and use any "weapon" in your arsenal simply to attack me for no reason - wouldn't it be easier to try and be friendly and then you can realize you're asking irrelevant questions?

I shouldn't respond maybe but I can tell that you're very wrong when it comes to dunover. I would say that's an extremly nice guy, but like me he is questioning you and the reason for this thread.
Mostly for the fact you're telling people they can open up several accounts at casinos using a new card. Or you at least told that you had done that. Even if your motives aren't evil then we can't know that without questioning you.
This is a forum and you have to accept that even if you start a thread it might not be about what you want it to be about.

Your response to him was way worse than what he said to you. If you want to stay here I suggest you apologize, but in the meantime I will report you (again).

 

[Webzcas]

Guys can we tone it down a bit please? Don't want Max to come in with his big stick

Ta!