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Been documenting all my gambling activity for more than a year

Discussion in 'Quit Gambling' started by dontknowtobet, Jan 18, 2015.

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    Jan 18, 2015
  1. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    I started documenting it on the 15th of January using my own personal website (open for others as well):

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    I see most people in this website like to bet in casinos and not in sports betting, but honestly there is no difference between the two - none of these forms of gambling requires any SKILL !

    Hope to be strong and stay away from gambling as much as possible! :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Jan 19, 2015
  3. randomiam

    randomiam Meister Member

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    cool

    ill give it a read later on :)
     
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  4. Jan 19, 2015
  5. conker

    conker Senior Member CAG MM webmeister

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    I take it this is a fairly new forum, as it appears the only conversations seem to be between the administrators.

    I wish you the best of luck with your project.
     
  6. Mar 9, 2015
  7. asm

    asm Experienced Member PABinit

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    On what do you base the assertion that sports betting doesn't require skill? Perhaps this is true when it comes to ...hmm, betting for "entertainment", as the house does have an advantage if you consider wagers simply to be random sized wagers on random numbers with a random outcome.

    However, this certainly isn't true if you approach sports betting methodically. It also requires great knowledge and keeping up. It sucks the life out of "gambling" as well. To be honest, a day job is more fun.
     
  8. Mar 9, 2015
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I am afraid this post from your forum (sorry, diary) says all that CM members need to know....:mad:

    "So I got a new Barclays debit card in the post a few days ago (happens every several years once the card expires!), and that meant to me quite immediately that I can use it with Bet365, and even though I'm self-excluded from them permanently - you can use a new debit or credit card for the first time before it's being blocked, so that's what I did..."

    Really, falls into the 'evil player' category IMO.
     
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  10. Mar 9, 2015
  11. SpinUk

    SpinUk Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    Obvious problem gambler maybe but "evil"? How so?
     
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  12. Mar 9, 2015
  13. mcgameboy

    mcgameboy Screenieholic & Essayist mm2

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  14. Mar 9, 2015
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Indeed, I'm glad somebody does their homework here....:thumbsup:
     
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  16. Mar 30, 2015
  17. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    No sir, I am only documenting my own story in the "My Story" folder in the forum and even there you can reply. Likewise the other folders are 100% open for others but the reason you don't see anyone posting there is because I assume many others don't want to participate or share anything there ... there were few people who posted something in the forum but only a few ... I guess my site is not so popular etc. and that's why you seem it conveys that "conversations" take place only "between the administrators", but that's not right.
     
  18. Mar 30, 2015
  19. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Take Football/Soccer for example ... you can know the players and you can know the 2 teams involved, but you can never know if the referee would decide to award one of the teams with a penalty or throw a red-card at some. In the NBA, LeBron James can have his best day or have his worst day, the referees can also be a factor (ever heard of Tim Donaghy?)

    So whatever factor you consider, the bookmakers calculate all these odds against you and on top of that you are "fighting" something that has no solid base ... don't get me wrong, betting on Romania yesterday to beat Faro Islands risking $10,000 to win $1,000 might seem like a "smart" idea but they only won 1:0 so it could have easily wiped out $10,000 of your hard earned money.

    So no, sports betting has no skill involved, definitely not in the short run but also not in the long run because the odds are stacked against you! (Bet on NBA again and again and every bet deducts 10% of your bankroll, you risk 100 to win 90!)
     
  20. Mar 30, 2015
  21. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    What is the "evil player" category? :eek2:
    I'm being honest about what I'm going through.
    Haven't gambled for more than 3 weeks now and wanting to keep it up.
     
  22. Mar 30, 2015
  23. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Oh, I see.
    Well, I spoke to Bet365's manager more than a month ago, about the fact their system cannot block new methods of payments (e.g. a new debit card), it can only block previously-used method of payments (for their merit I can say if you use PayPal/Skrill/Neteller once and you're on exclusion then it is automatically blocked, even if you try to change your PayPal/Skrill email etc. it won't work - which is good).

    The manager told me there's nothing much they can do and that I need to take some sense of responsibility as well - I'm happy with that, I am ... and as you can appreciate I had no troubles getting paid from Bet365 whatsoever ... and we're talking about almost £2,000 here which is like $3,000! In fact I got paid quite right away after the game, no delay and no tactics.

    I'm sorry if it sounds "EVIL" to you but I am not acting out of manipulation here, I was aware of my problem and I was aware of how Bet365's system works - they don't have a problem if I crossed the line and I neither ... and I am not going to call my bank telling them I lost the card just to get a new one to use with Bet365 neither! I got a new card because the previous one expired, and I'm now free of getting any new cards until 2017/2018.

    I understand some gamblers abuse/cheat and try to do all they can to get money illegally (e.g. the terrible example in this post of those say they need money for treatment) - HOWEVER I am 100% transparent with my diary, 100% transparent with my actions, 100% transparent with what I do ... no strings attached whatsoever .... literally whatsoever.
     
  24. Mar 30, 2015
  25. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    I understand it's very rational to put some doubts and question a person's intentions... definitely if he has a website talking about his own recovery ... but I can tell you this "homework" has nothing to do with me, it's irrelevant ... I am not trying to be an evil gambler, not trying to take advantage of Bet365 (I had losing bets with them as well, see in the diary) ... I am writing everything upfront and without twisting even a single fact. So I'm sorry but whatever "evil gambler" you're talking about here is simply not me, it could be a good nickname for others but I honestly don't see myself as one and not even close to one.
     
  26. Mar 30, 2015
  27. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Honesty is the best policy

    By the way I'd like to advise all of you that if you really want to quit gambling you should be HONEST about it with the persons involved with your lives, you really should and have to - this is not a recommendation but a MUST. Once you do so you would see the light in the end of the tunnel.

    Yes, I had a few "falls" but just like the fall in the 8th of March it was one-off and thankfully I left it as one-off and not as a new series of endless amount of betting.
     
  28. Mar 30, 2015
  29. asm

    asm Experienced Member PABinit

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    This is not true. Whatever events occur are not in any way more or less known by the book either. Of course there is an element of chance in betting. That is the primary reason why the whole thing is done.

    If you are risking 10k for Romania to win 1k without a gigantic bankroll, you're not busting because of bad luck, you're actually busting because you have really poor bankroll management. There's no other way around it. Certainly there are bad beats and streaks, but you can be a profitable sports bettor in the long run.

    Who says the odds are stacked against you? If you're playing odds that are against you, you're playing the wrong odds! Juice is juice. +EV is +EV. No one says it's easy to find +EV.

    If you play NBA at -110 (which I assume you meant, moneyline)... no one is telling you to bet ml when your assessment of the game is that it's 50/50. Combine a good insight of the event(s) with proper bankroll management and +EV games.
     
  30. Mar 30, 2015
  31. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    I've been going through similar discussions with many other bettors on other forums.
    I suggest you read these factual laws (these are facts) and you can also read and browse around there, it might explain you exactly what I mean:

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  32. Mar 30, 2015
  33. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Also please read here:

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    But please read these 2 pages, read them properly (when you have time and you can read it, it's a good read, it's not academic or anything that's boring to read) - once and after you read it then please let me know your thoughts, but please be fair & honest and let me know your thoughts ONLY after you read the 2 links I gave you.
     
  34. Mar 30, 2015
  35. asm

    asm Experienced Member PABinit

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    I'm sorry but the links are pretty much rubbish, and have little to nothing to do with what I said. Certainly it is valuable information when gambling is driven by pure compulsion, I'll give you that.

    No one is disputing house edge as a mathematical model. Certainly the house does have an edge. Think of it this way:
    A popular gambling site has 3-5% edge. Now, two questions:

    a) Do you find it likely that an oddsmaker or a group of oddsmakers, can churn out thousands of events a day without being 5% off in one or more events

    b)Have you ever actually watched a line move?

    No one is saying it is easy to make money from sports betting. Your premise is still wrong, though. You are treating sports betting as a random event with absolute figures. It is equal to saying "no one can win money at poker in the long run because of the rake".

    It's interesting that the site you linked talks about coin flips at -110. Certainly, that information is factual. But the entire premise of sports betting is finding odds that are off. You are talking about losing money in coin flips that are -110 (thus -EV), and I am saying that is true but no one is telling you to find -EV odds! Would you do a thousand coinflips at +110? I sure would.
     
  36. Mar 30, 2015
  37. dontknowtobet

    dontknowtobet Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Sorry, and no offense, but with the amount of time you dedicated to read them (I am still in the middle of re-reading them!) I can say the same thing about you, this discussion is over from my end as far as I'm concerned.
     
  38. Mar 30, 2015
  39. asm

    asm Experienced Member PABinit

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    I think they're of value to some extent, but I don't think discussing 20% juice which the site suggested is valid in any way. I can understand betting being a losing proposition in that regards but that certainly isn't anything anyone should spend their time with.

    The most known betting operation that most people know, takes 2%. It's not in any way outrageous to suggest a linemaker can be wrong and you can be right with that margin.

    (not that most people are right, that's why these places exist :) )
     
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