Atlantic Interbet

[RJVBU]

RE: BONUS MONEY FOR NON-PLAYING FORMER MEMBERS...

I always thought that the "execs" at AiB were missing a screw or two, now I know for sure. Why a business would risk losing their loyal, repeat business to bring back lost customers is beyond my comprehension. Sure. Everyone wants to retrieve that "fish that got away" but you don't dump the rest of your catch in the ocean to do it. That is what AiB has done. In an attempt to bring back people who obviously decided to no longer play there for one reason or another, they have lost some of the people who, win or lose, have been there every single day, spending their money, building up the tournaments, virtually keeping the place from becoming a morgue.

And what is their reply to our inquisitions about this matter? "They are working on something for the regulars". Pfooey. Why weren't the "regulars" taken care of first? Top rule of business... take care of your repeat customers, their loyalty can make or break your business and they are the only ones who will be left in the end. Unless, of course, you allow them to walk out the door.

Besides... what in the world could they possibly do now that would extinguish the anger we feel? What can they give us that will not feel like a token meant to simply pacify us? Are we to feel that our worth is being measured by some two bit exec who doesn't have the common sense to build his house out of bricks? No matter what they do now, for some (or many), it will not be enough.

I have removed my funds from this site. I will not play in a place where my patronage is appreciated less that that of someone who has long since departed. Besides... if the current situation is any indication of the way AiB does business, it's obviously more beneficial to the player to leave.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

TO THE EXECUTIVES (?) WHO RUN AIB:

EXTREMELY CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY? YOU WERE VERY VOCAL BEFORE YOU GOT CAUGHT IN THIS MOUSE TRAP!!!! THEN AGAIN, WHAT COULD YOU SAY TO POSSIBLY RECTIFY THIS FATAL ERROR YOU MADE?

 

[razl]

Over the past few days, some serious allegations have been made regarding AIB's business "ethics". I guess integrity has been restored to AIB since at least one of the players who posted here has returned to AIB and played in a tournament this morning. Since she originally stated that "When the explanation is given, we will then decide whether or not to return.", I feel it is only fitting that she post the explanation here for all to see, if she is to have any credibility whatsoever.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

TO RAZL:
YOU SEEM TO HAVE A BUG UP YOUR A$$ AND CONSTANTLY TRY TO PUT ME ON THE DEFENSIVE END OF A CONVERSATION. YES I WENT BACK IN AND PLAYED BUT AS USUAL YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU ARE POSTING, THEREFORE, THE REST OF THIS EXPLANATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

TO ALL AIB PLAYERS:

I HAD A MEETING WITH MARK LAST NIGHT. APPARENTLY, HE IS DESIGNING A PROGRAM THAT WILL TRACK ALL OF THE PAST GAMBLING THAT THE REGULAR PLAYERS HAVE DONE. IT IS AT THAT TIME, THAT THE REGULAR PLAYERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR BONUSES. I CHOSE TO BELIEVE MARK, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE SEEMED SINCERE AND ASKED ME TO BE PATIENT. HE UNDERSTOOD WHY EVERYONE WAS UPSET, SINCE NON-PLAYING PLAYERS WERE GIVEN GENEROUS BONUSES, WHILE THE REGULAR PLAYERS WERE NOT GIVEN ANYTHING. HOWEVER, HE ASSURED ME THAT THE "REGULARS" ARE NOT FORGOTTEN AND WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

AS I GET MORE INFORMATION, I WILL POST IT HERE..

 

[razl]

BABYGIRL, thank you for the update. Please excuse any typing errors as I find it difficult to type while sitting on that bug........lol. Happy New Year and have a very good year at the casinos. See you at the tables......

 

[BABYGIRL7]

TO AIB PLAYERS AND EXECUTIVES:

NOTICE THAT NOT ONE OF THE NON-PLAYING FORMER MEMBERS OF AIB COME TO THE SITE! THEY CAME FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS, STAYED FOR A COUPLE OF TOURNEYS AND NOW THEY ARE GONE.

I WONDER IF THE EXECUTIVES ARE KICKING THEMSELVES IN THE BUTT FOR NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR REGULAR PLAYERS FIRST?

MARK, DO NOT LET ME DOWN! YOU PROMISED THAT THE REGULAR PLAYERS ARE NOT FORGOTTEN AND WE WILL BE GETTING BONUSES. IT IS ON THE BASIS, OF YOUR WORD ALONE, THAT MANY OF US ARE STILL HERE. AS FOR WRITING TO ROGER, I DID, APPARENTLY HE HAS TROUBLE FIGURING OUT HOW TO ANSWER AN EMAIL. LMAO!

 

[BL141]

A WARNING TO ALL ONLINE PLAYERS:

Atlantic Interbet is offering a $25 bonus for playing in one of their tournaments. As an online casino player, I first went in and checked out the tournaments before falling for this $25 ball and chain.

I had the unfortunate experience of watching their Super Tournament last night, and when the winner of the $100 prize was announced, apparently it was one of the pit bosses who work at Atlantic Interbet.

Well, that was enough for me. This site needs a complete overhaul and obviously they know nothing about rules and regulations of the casino industry.

Thank Goodness I did not ever buy into this mouse trap!

 

[Wendy]

Atlantic interbet offers a $25 bonus to our new patrons, for simply playing in one of our MANY wonderful tournaments.. YES, this is FACT. Our wonderful staff has the opportunity to game with their own funds, as players, when off duty, this is also a FACT. Yes.. one of the winners of ONE super tourney was a staff member, spending their own money, congrats! to her, as she has never won a super tourney prior to last night. If our staff wanted to cheat, they wouldn't be so blantant about usign an online alias so many know.. think about it!

The competition is fair, their is no foul play, the tournaments are scrutinized. Try them out! You'll find nothing better on the net. Players will vent when they don't win, its an unfortunate state when some have to be "poor sports" in the competition. See for yourself what fun their is in the 14 hours of daily tournaments we offer our patrons.

AiB's tournament schedule can be requested via email, by joining our tournament email club, simply join by emailing [email protected], and we hope to see you all in the casino soon to take advantage of the $25 sign on bonus..

Good luck & keep gaming!!

***Wendy
www.atlanticinterbet.com
AiB Pit Boss

 

[***osito]

I Ran the Super Tourney in Question and it was run fairly and honestly , there were 5 players for most of the tournament and 4 of those 5 were in 1st place at any given time during the tournament. The scores were close and the winner nailed 2 great hands near the end and won by less than 1% ( winning margin was 0.41%) The tournaments are fair , off duty staff plays sometimes with their own deposited cash and This is the first time an off duty staff person has ever won a super. Everyone knows who the off duty staff person is so a claim of cheating is highly moronic, plus we don't care who wins and we never will.

***osito
www.atlanticinterbet.com
AiB Pit Boss

 

[NoneYaBizness]

Hmmm... I've played in just about every tournament AiB holds. Until very recently, the staff person in question has rarely been seen in the casino, much less playing in the tournaments. Wendy, as for your claim that this is "the first super tournament she has ever won"... funny that it is also the first super tournament she has ever played in (at least in the past several weeks or months). Beginner's luck? Coincidence? BA HA HA HA HA. There's an awful lot of that around AiB now isn't there?! And Osito... The player who came in 2nd had been in first for most the tournament. It is my understanding that he ALSO got the same "2 great hands" near the end of the tournament but it obviously wasn't enough for him to win (even though he had held the lead for a long time). Maybe the pitboss got that great hand in a better suit. PFFT! I think it's funny that you all feel the need to post NOW when you feel your integrity is at stake. Why haven't you ever felt the need to post before this? Guilt maybe? If anyone is MORONIC I think we all know who it is. The person/people who think we are so stupid and blind that we can't see the crap that's being pulled.

 

[BL141]

To NoneYaBizness:

Excellent Post!!!!! I now know that I definitely made the right decision not to play at Atlantic Interbet! Thank you for confirming what I saw and felt about AIB.

 

[RJVBU]

I am the person (SHE/HER/Female LOL) that was beaten by the pitboss in the tournament in question. I can not say that she did not have better hands than I did because I just don't know. I can't see them. What I do know is I had some awesome hands throughout the freeride portion of the tournament. The only thing I don't understand and that I have trouble with is this... Osito is the ONLY pitboss who has ever had their clock set at even close to "real time" (not just in my world but in other patron's worlds as well). In every tournament where time has been mentioned, he has been within a minute of my computer clock on my taskbar. (I am obsessive/compulsive about time.) For this particular tournament there was a point where he mentioned an exact time "we'll be finished at 10:37" however, according to my computer clock (which, again, has always been within a minute of his) the tournament ended at 10:41+. This is an error margin of at least 3 minutes overage. My question is... just how many of those GREAT hands were gotten within that time frame? When the tournament should have been over? I guess I will never know but I will keep a pen & paper next to my computer to keep track of time in the future. Since we all know that the pits can "see" the scores as they are changing anyway, it stands to logic that they also can stop a tournament at any time that is advantageous.

I like to think the best of people, I like to think that people treat me fairly just as I treat them (read my profile... deal with honor, act with courage, refuse to fail). I do know there are plenty of people in the world who don't however and because of this I will be more cautious in the future and remove myself from any situation where I feel the odds are stacked so highly against me.

P.S..... I would like to offer this challenge to Osito & Wendy.... please name ONE casino in Las Vegas or Atlantic City that allows their personnel to gamble in their casino during their off time. From what I have been told, there are none. Your pitboss should come up with another name and protect her anonymity in the future should she wish to play against the non-employee patrons. I think this would benefit everyone.

 

[Wendy]

AiB tourney directors will no longer be playing in any name, as it seems it upsets some of our patrons, and we want to honor their wishes. AiB stands behind its integrity and thanks you for your continued support and patronage and we value your thoughts!

 

[***osito]

The Tournament lasted exactly the amount of time that it should have , it did not go over. Tracking was stopped at exactly 10:37. That was the time on my PC and the length of the tournament was correct as stated in the rules. I never go over the time on a tournament , i am very down to the second on things like that , it is rare i make a mistake on any aspect of time and Never at the end of a tournament. I'm not going to question RJ's clock, there is simply nothing to be gained and everything to be lost by going 4 minutes over on a tourney, and that was not what happened in this case. This is my job and i take it seriously , i don't make timing mistakes that effect outcomes of events ever, none of the Tournament directors do. I reiterate that no one cares who wins a tournament , first and foremost on our minds is that it runs smoothly and there are no problems.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

OK LETS GET ALL THE FACTS STRAIGHT!

I will address each of you one at a time:

RJVBU - you were outright ROBBED! I told everyone before the tourney started that the pitboss would win.

Wendy - thank you for no longer allowing employees of AIB to play in tournaments. According to the rules and regulations of the Gaming Commission in Atlantic City, as well as in Las Vegas, no employee is allowed to gamble where they work. They can, however, gamble at another casino.

Osito - I saved the best for last! You NEVER make a timing mistake? I distinctly remember you making a 5 minute error because you were chatting with me. So dont say NEVER Osito, we all make errors, intentional or not. The Tournament did not end at 10:37, and the reason I know that it was supposed to end at that time, was because you said it to 4Ducks (some memory huh?)! Now, since it did not end on time, ENIGMA (HRTOFQUEEN) was able to make these two GREAT HANDS (which she so proudly screamed out as she made them...hmmmmm)
and caused RJVBU to lose the tournament.

Now everyone knows exactly what happened!!!!

 

[Mark@iB]

A Simple Solution For The Problems...

BABYGIRL:
You'll be happy to hear that as of next week, software has been written to allow tournaments to no longer be affected by time constraints. Most of the tournies will gradually move over to a set amount of hands to be played. For example, instead of announcing "everyone play video poker for 30 minutes" it will be "take your time, play at your own speed, and after 100 rounds, the servers will alert you that your play has ended, and you can stand up and await the results" - the benefits of this are obvious: you can be booted now, and still come back and finish your hands without worrying about losing time. This should alleviate everyone's concerns, as should the new policy Atlantic Interbet has made regarding tournament directors ever playing in the tournaments again. Though they know everything is on the level, it's easier to stop them from playing than trying to convince you it's all fair

Re: Comp Program, it's still being worked on, and bonuses to existing players should happen shortly, when AIB gets the new comp module/code from us. Just like in real casinos, you'll now be awarded for your gameplay drop, in a beginning-of-the-month-bonus added to your account, whether you win or lose, based on a formula the real casinos actually use.

Re: The individual who claimed their 40,000 plays of the video poker resulted in fewer 2 of clubs.. having designed the video pokers and the RNG (which is SOLID), I have several comments: (1) 40,000 hands of ANYTHING isn't a good sample to base your conclusion on. However, I do thank you for the comments on your site indicating you acknowledge this. (2) Why a lower amount of 2 of clubs? What's the point behind this? What does it gain? I don't follow your theory, but (3) I cordially invite you to discuss your findings further in email. As the programmer behind the interBet engine, I defend it fiercely (and with pride), and will go out of my way to share your findings/statistics with the public, provided your sampling is not biased. 40,000 hands isn't sufficient for me to blink twice, especially over a claim there's a reduction in a specific card, which is ludicrous and serves no purpose. Like you stated, the interBet Recorder goes out of its way to record ALL hands played and the data available to the player (even via a friendly export to file option), further proof there is nothing to hide

Regards,

-Mark @ interBet

 

[***osito]

hi again the tourney ended at 10:37pm est as stated on my clock , also yes i did make a 5 minute error one time due to BABYGIRL she is correct because of her a 45 minute tournament that normally = 2 , 20 minute sessions and a 5 minute break ended up being a 25 minute session , 5 minute break , 15 minute session, hardly the end of life on earth


***osito
AiB Pitboss
www.atlanticinterbet.com

 

[RJVBU]

To Mark:

Wait one minute... You are going to BEGIN giving us bonuses based on our drops? What about all the drops we've made in the past? Does this mean to sugarcoat the fact that you gave bonuses to players who haven't made drops in a long time? Does this excuse the fact that you were so concerned with regaining lost business that you failed to look at the only business that is keeping you on your feet? I don't want to be compensated for what I may or may not drop in the future. I want the same consideration that those LOST patrons received. What about the thousands of dollars we have spent in the amount of time those people have been gone? A time period when they weren't spending anything? I guess we don't count for much. You mislead Babygirl7. You made her believe in you. And in a sick perverted way I suppose that means I believed in you because I believed in her. I told her to be apprehensive you your doubled edged tongue. You led us all to believe that our bonus was forthcoming. That it was going to be based on our past gambling habits just as those "lost sheep" bonuses were. But that's a crock now isn't it Mark? You never have had any intention of going back and rectifying this situation from a "past" standpoint. Only on a going forward basis.

That sucks and you know it. But better yet, so does everyone else.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

This will be my last post here regarding AIB:

Mark, you know very well that generous bonuses were sent to non-playing former members as an incentive to get them to come back to AIB. When you and I spoke, you assured me that the REGULAR PLAYERS WOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN, AND THAT BASED ON OUR PAST PLAY AT AIB WE WILL ALSO BE GIVEN BONUSES. Now am I to understand that this is not true? That you are developing a program that will comp us for our future gambling and not the past? If this is the case, come clean. You have a tendency to talk in circles, give it to us straight! I look forward to your posting your answer here...this way all EXISTING AIB PLAYERS can read it themselves.

Osito, you really are a funny guy. I cannot believe that you said it was my fault that the break did not occur at the time it should have. Do I work for AIB or do you? Therefore, try accepting responsibilty for your own errors instead of trying to pass the buck... It is called growing up sweetheart. In any event, thanks for the laugh!

I have chosen not to post here ever again. I look forward to Mark's response but that is it. Whether I choose to go back and play or not, AIB is no longer any concern of mine.

 

[Mike from Oz]

Just want to respond to Mark; he said:

<, Re: The individual who claimed their 40,000 plays of the video poker resulted in fewer 2 of clubs..

Actually, it was the 2 of spades. The suit doesn't matter, of course. But the rank certainly does, when the game is deuces wild!

<, having designed the video pokers and the RNG (which is SOLID), I have several comments:

<, (1) 40,000 hands of ANYTHING isn't a good sample to base your conclusion on.

That's a more or less valid comment, but I did mention that on the page. But if the results are off by more than a certain amount, then you CAN base conclusions on just 40,000 hands. Suppose the number of deuces were 10% of what is expected... then this result would be (I'm guessing here) more than 10 standard deviations from the norm, and it would be statistically significant. I put the difference at 2.5 standard deviations, which is getting towards definite. It's significant at about the 99% confidence level, I think. I'll be the first to admit that I'm rusty on these figures, but I think that's right.

<, However, I do thank you for the comments on your site indicating you acknowledge this.

Thanks.

<, (2) Why a lower amount of 2 of clubs? What's the point behind this? What does it gain? I don't follow your theory, but

? Perhaps I neglected to indicate that this was a deuces wild game. Overall, ALL the deuces were down by 309 compared to expected (the 2 of spades much more than that); that's 2.5 standard deviations by my calculations. I mention the 2 of spades only as an outstanding figure, and of a possible mechanism: suppose every tenth time the random number generator were to choose the 2 of spades, it instead chose say the 7 of clubs, or just chose again randomly. That would cause a huge disadvantage to the player, since he would make less 3 of a kinds, straights, etc etc all the way to wild royal flushes. A wild card is a very powerful card to have; just being dealt one deuce is worth about your whole bet. Being dealt 3 of them is worth something like 17 times your bet. I hope that this is obvious!

<, (3) I cordially invite you to discuss your findings further in email.

OK, good idea; I'll initiate that shortly. I just had to reply here, because you seemed to give the impression that varying the number of deuces dealt was no big deal. The exact percentage of deuces dealt has a huge effect on the player's expected return.

Please note that I don't mean that there has to be a deliberate change to the algorithm to cause this sort of bias. Typical nieve code for selecting cards might be to call some random number generator library function that returns a number from 0 to 32767, say, and dividing that number by 52 (keeping only the remainder). That for example could add an unintended bias to the deal, since 32767 isn't that much larger than 52, and there is a sort of "remainder effect". In this case, assuming that the deuces are represented by the values 0-3, they would be MORE likely than average to be chosen, since 630*52 = 32760, so over 32768 numbers, you would expect cards 0-7 to appear 631 times, and all the others 630 times. (You would also get .16% extra threes, as well as twos). Without very thorough testing, this might get through undetected, but the extra deuces could cost the casino dearly. Or if the lower numbers did not select deuces, they would cost the player dearly. Note however that I measured a 1.9% deficit of deuces, an effect ten times more pronounced than this hypothetical and unintended error.


<, As the programmer behind the interBet engine, I
defend it fiercely (and with pride), and will go out of my way to share your findings/statistics with the public, provided your sampling is not biased.

Well, that's a great attitude, and I commend you for it.

- Mike from Oz

 

[***osito]

welcome Baby , always glad to provide comic relief ;-) Thank you for the compliment


***osito
AiB Pitboss
www.atlanticinterbet.com

 

[ibmamabear]

Mark. I read your posting and would like to make a comment about the comp program. In reading it, it sounds like the faithful loyal players won't get anything until beginning with the new comp program and then only drops from then on. I hope I am reading it wrong. I think the faithful loyal players should be rewarded for past loyalty as we have not deserted AiB. We may rebel sometimes, but we are always here, long after the ones that deserted, came back, spent their bonus and then left again, or alot of the new ones that come in for their $25 (which by the way alot of us didn't get since we started way before you started giving these out to new players).

Suggestion: Give all faithful loyal patrons a one time NICE bonus (this can be based on how long they have been playing there if the programming can't track previous drops) and then start the new program. I think that is the only fair thing to do.

 

[Mark @ iB]

RJVBU * iBMamabear: I think you misunderstood my post. It was my understanding that AIB would be offering the patrons a one-time bonus based on their past drop, and then the comp program would "kick in" for the present. Sorry if I painted a different picture! (iBmamabear thanks for the benefit of the doubt!)

Mike From Oz-Ok, of course, it's all clear now. I was thinking regular video poker, nothing wild. I'm curious now as to your finding, and would like to offer the following as an honest/fair attempt to rectify your discrepency:

1. I'll write a mini program tomorrow, built into an .EXE, that will go through 9,999,999 iterations of video poker, tallying up the frequency of ALL cards, and dumping the results onto the screen, or text file.

2. I'll even give you the source code for the executable, which you can look over for fairness. if you don't know programming, Im sure someone on this list does and will step in and offer their scrutiny.

3. The results of the 9 mill iterations will be shared with the readers of this forum.

This test will only prove one thing: that the RNG isn't indeed flawed. After we prove this, the next step is to physically have Mike play at Atlantic interBet Casino, at which point his hands will be officially tracked by both parties. For all we know, the program Mike wrote himself which reads through the Recorder logfile is flawed, which would certainly explain his bizarre anomaly.

Does this sound reasonable to you, Mike? All I asked in return is your findings published on your home page.

-Mark @ iB

 

[sirius]

Well I tried AtlanticInterbet today...

It's such a con it's funny. I mean have you ever 'practised' playing the scratch cards offline. You win $50 every couple of goes for a $1 bet and you get $444 every few goes on the $4 bet! I thought this looks good. I'll make a few thousand $$ and then quit. I don't want to get too greedy. When you play online it's totally different of course. (I want some compensation for this trick you pulled)

 

[RJVBU]

To Mark:

Thank you for posting your explanation of the bonus program. Obviously it was misinterpreted by more than just myself. (You should choose your wording a little more carefully in the future when dealing with such a volatile issue.) My apologies for my hostility.

However, when you approached me at the site I was at a disadvantage being in the middle of a tournament AND holding/feeding my 2 month old baby. You left before I had the chance to finish my final page to you....

I will think through and be more considerate in my postings from here forward and you in turn will NEVER speak to me like I am a child again. I am a 39 year old woman with three children and the last I knew, freedom of speech was still upheld by the constitution.

I have extended you the courtesy of an apology and will make every attempt to control my red-head hot temperedness until I think things through in the future. I hope you, however, will extend the same courtesy to me by not insulting my intelligence and treating me like an adult at all times.


RJ

 

[Mike from Oz]

Mark,
wrt your suggestion of a program to dump 10M or so video poker hands, I think that's a great idea. I'm a programmer, so I'll be very interested to see how this program works. The main thing is to make sure that it gets the cards served from exactly the same server as players do. There is a potential for disruption to actual service, unless you have a magnificent server that has plenty of spare time on its hands, so I expect this to take a fair amount of time to run (perhaps over a day).

I'd be very happy to publish the results on my page; this is exactly the sort of thing that I think players want to see (or if they don't, they should!)

Please email me at [email protected] to organise the details.

I commend you again for your pro-active response to this situation.

- Mike from Oz

 

[Mark @ iB]

Mike,

10 million rounds of video poker can't come from the server, it would bog everything down. Rather, it makes more sense to send you the algorithm used in the "create a hand process" so you can see the RNG isn't off. Once you've agreed to this, we'll have to get AIB to corroborate their stats of your video poker card frequencies with your own findings - one step at a time for now is probably the best place to start.

Even a standalone program to run 10 mill iterations will take several hours on your own PC to run, but I'll design the program so you can multi-task at the same time and do other things.

I'll try and get something going this week and contact you in mail, Mike - thx.

Sirius: ask the AIB staff, I recall them all excited over a $1000 lottery ticket winner just the other day.

Regards,

-Mark @ iB

 

[Mike from Oz]

Mark,
this is a start, but there is still the nagging doubt that the code you hand me won't be the same as the one that the server is really using. Sort of like a business that has two sets of books - one for the shonky deals and one for the tax man to see.

But even if you say that the 10 mil deals comes from the server, I'd still have to take on faith that they did come from there, not from some other program using Linux's /dev/random (about the best you can get with PC hardware, I'm told; "cryptographically safe".) So I guess that there will always be some element of faith. Even if I were in your office and traced the cabling and installed the software myself, I still wouldn't be sure that it was the "real server" that I was interrogating.

Besides, if as I suspect the error (if it exists) is accidental, the process you are suggesting should pick it up. Also, we can divide up the results into 43,000 play samples, and see how many of them have <,=1.9% fewer deuces than expected.

- Mike

 

[sirius]

The code for the scratch tickets offline ('practise' mode) is certainly completely different to the server code. Why did you deceive people in this way?


<,Mark,
<,this is a start, but there is still the nagging <,doubt that the code you hand me won't be the same <,as the
<,one that the server is really using. Sort of like <,a business that has two sets of books - one for <,the shonky
<,deals and one for the tax man to see.

 

[Babygirl7]

Mark,

Dammit I am pretty upset. Not because of what I am about to say, but because I was given no other choice but to come here and post again. Unfortunately, you are never reachable.

The other day I had an altercation with HRT, which necessitated in Wendy getting involved. I explained to Wendy what happened and she assured me that she would speak to HRT in the morning. Well, your "manager(?)" Wendy, told HRT to put me on her ignore list. I could not care less, except when HRT is running tournaments I cannot ask any questions, should the need arise.

Now this is actually pretty comical. Is that what you would call a "managerial decision"? It puts me at a terrible disadvantage during your tournaments.

I am not going to bad mouth AIB. Not because of lack of ammunition, just lack of desire. Therefore, since I chose to make a decent decision, I strongly suggest that you have a talk with Wendy and get this straightened out. Lord knows, if I have to come here one more time, my next posting will not be as sweet. That is my promise to you: }}}

 

[Wendy]

The decision was sweeter than your mouth was to my pitbosses, which is why I advised them to place you on ignor. It was an unfortunate decision, but one that had to be made, so that they could function without constant berating and vulgarity from you Baby.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

Wendy just by you coming here and posting confirms your ignorance. For starters it was your "professional Pitboss" who CALLED ME and laughed at me for losing the tournament. So you are damned straight that I reacted. You promised me that you would speak to your pitboss and that she was out of line. Therefore, you are not only ignorant but you are a liar.

By the way, "ignor" is spelled "ignore". So instead of pretending to be a "manager" go buy a dictionary so you can learn to spell six letter words.

 

[Wendy]

BABY (how suiting)
I did speak to my pit boss, and I told her it was best to ignor(e) insults that are thrown out of ignorance, than to tolerate them.
I didn't realize you were the literary major, I thought you mentioned a club maid at ellies, thank you for correcting my spelling errors, I will take your suggestion and purchase a dictionary.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

Wendy,

You really have to stop showing everyone your true intellect level. You see, when speaking in public, it usually is proper to know what you are talking about. I do not know what a club maid at ellies is, but it has nothing to do with me. However, I do own a poker club.

I am so sorry that you think it takes a literary major to spell the word "ignore". Then again, compared to you, I probably am one.

 

[Wendy]

touche!

 

[***osito]

Baby

you are rude, controlling and just downright mean, and you thrive on it , that's about the bottom line, that and the need to get people united for no particular reason, you like to call the shots , but you're just too abrasive. face it you are mean and vicious, you have, in open chat, called all of us Fuckers, or housewives, or ignorant or assholes , the list goes on and on , and we have taken it, trust me when i say this , we have been far beyond professional dealing with you, and by the way i'm not speaking in public , i'm typing. I don't care what you think about us, and i'll tell you why, you're behavior in the casino made me lose any respect for you, a long time ago. oh and we still don't care who wins tourneys, as always , we track the % , we post the winner , and you just bitch about it , hell you bitch about it when you've come in first, it's really enough to drive a sane person crazy. I for one will not let you berate my friends/co-workers again, not in the casino at least have a nice day!


***osito
AiB Pitboss
www.atlanticinterbet.com

 

[sirius]

The code for the scratch tickets offline ('practise' mode) is certainly completely different to the server
code. Why did you deceive people in this way?


<,Mark,
<,this is a start, but there is still the nagging
<,doubt that the code you hand me won't be the same
<,as the one that the server is really using. Sort
<,of like a business that has two sets of books -
<,one for the shonky deals and one for the tax man
<,to see.

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmmm still no answer Sirius. I wonder why??? For the record, It's not just the scratch tickets. Try
as I might. It's seems to be impossible to LOSE 75% of my video poker hands offline. While online, It's occurrence is quite regular.
I'm also wondering why we haven't seen anything about the RNG check???

 

[Anonymous]

Seems to be a lot of unanswerable questions here so I'll post another one... WHERE ARE THE BONUSES FOR THE REGULAR PLAYERS MARK??? It has been several weeks now and still nothing. Maybe RJ was correct in doubting you and ibmamabear was incorrect for giving you the benefit of anything. Don't try to blow it off on needing to write a program because you obviously had some kind of program in effect to be able to award NON-PLAYING MEMBERS bonuses. Since the bonuses were not all the same it stands to logic that you had some sort of methodology in place to award them. Guess this is just another case of AiB staff/execs being absolutely full of crapola! You can be assured that no more of my money will go into that place! I have deleted AiB from my system.

 

[BABYGIRL]

OK MARK HERE WE GO AGAIN!

SINCE YOU DO NOT ANSWER EMAILS, I HAVE NO RECOURSE BUT TO COME TO THE FORUM AND POST MY QUESTIONS.

WHERE ARE THE BONUSES FOR REGULAR PLAYERS?

I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY STORIES ABOUT YOU WRITING A PROGRAM...THAT IS NOT TRUE. YOU KNEW HOW MUCH MONEY TO GIVE THE NON-PLAYING PLAYERS, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE REGULAR PLAYERS DESERVE.

NORMALLY, I WOULD JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS SITUATION, BUT YOU MADE THE FATAL MISTAKE OF LYING DIRECTLY TO ME WHEN WE MET. THEREFORE, UNTIL BONUSES ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE REGULAR PLAYERS I WILL CONTINUE TO WRITE HERE.

AIB IS LOSING AN AVERAGE OF ONE PLAYER A DAY, DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT MANY TO START WITH.

SO LETS GET WITH THE PROGRAM, GIVE THE BONUSES AS PROMISED AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A SHOT AT SAVING THIS SINKING SHIP. IF NOT, TRUST ME, THE TITANIC HAD A BETTER SURVIVAL CHANCE THAN AIB DOES.

 

[Laurel214]

Bravo Babygirl, I also sent a message to Mark while in Interbet but of course he did not reply!! I can't express how upset and disappointed I was when I found out about non-regular players receiving bonus money. After the thousands of dollars I have personally dropped there not to receive a bonus was, in my opinion, a fatal mistake on the part of AIB. But you know how Mark lies, look at his response when I confronted him about changing the machines, he denied it to the death! I know as well as all the other regular players who have sat for hours on end playing those machines, that they are definately different for the last 2 months. I can't wait to see the winners list published for the months of December and January, you could probably post it on a matchbook cover. Also, speaking about that list, that shows you how the people at AIB lie!! Midnight is listed as winning $25,000 hmmmm I do believe that happened at least six months ago and should not be appearing on the list for October/November. Now Mark, please do not make a post telling me how much money I won cause then I will have to counter with how much money I LOST!! So don't even go there.

 

[RJVBU]

WTG Babygirl and Laurel. I applaud you. I was beginning to think everyone had conveniently forgotten about the promised bonuses (as I'm sure was AiB's intention of putting it off this long).

I have to say that I am just not having fun anymore. All my friends are leaving or have left. The only reason I stay is because I still talk to my mother there.

I was "verbally reprimanded" by Mark for my previous post. Evidently I called the kettle too black to suit the cook. But it is now obvious that maybe I was the one all along who was right. (Thanks Anonymous, you spoke my feelings exactly.)

Where ARE the bonuses Mark? Why have Babygirl, Laurel, DeeGee, and numerous others left the site? A better question would be why did you let it get to this point?

In our last communication, via page, after verbally slapping my hands you ended with "believe it or not, I'm trying to be your friend".... well, I don't know about you, but my friends don't generally lie to my face. If they did, they wouldn't be my friends.

Also, I'd like to know what kind of calendar you have. From what I see in this message.....

"You'll be happy to hear that as of next week, software has been written to allow tournaments to no longer be affected by time constraints. Most of the tournies will gradually move over to a set amount of hands to be played."

your weeks obviously run a LOT longer than mine do as your post with the above was dated 1/9 and it is now 2/1.

I just want to be told the truth so I can make an educated decision about whether or not I choose to play at AiB any longer. I stated I would play through the end of January to have a chance at the DVD drawing (which I won so I'm glad I stayed), however, I don't see much incentive to stay any longer since I can rarely even win my quarter back.

I'll be anxious to see if/when/how you respond to these allegations.

 

[Babygirl]

Mark it is extremely unfair that you do not respond to your players' inquiries. I am very disappointed. What does the owner, Roger, have to say? Does he care? Do you? I can't believe my judgement was so far off when it came to trusting you. I have proven that "my word" is gold...you have succeeded in proving that "your word and AIB's" is tarnished.

You have my deepest sympathy.

 

[BABYGIRL]

To All AIB regular and new players:

The time has come for me to tell you the truth about Atlantic Interbet. The Regular Players already know the scam with the phony Kisses and smiley faces that the pits give. So, therefore, this is basically for the new players.

First of all, when you go to AIB's home page, it will tell you that they give away over $4,000 a week in tournaments and 10,000 free spins. This is not true. The money they give away amounts to $2,500 and the free spins mean nothing. They only pay the minimum bet, even if you hit the maximum bet button. So if you are lucky enough to win a tournament, and lose only $20 or $30 dollars, you will get free spins, but never get your money back that you spent in the tournament.

Additionally, on AIB's homepage, you will see a list of winners for the last 30 days. Do you know how many there are? TWELVE!!! For a site that runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 12 winners is not something to be proud of...also, the money posted beside these 12 players is not money won on one winning hit. It is an accumulation of what they won during the month. Therefore, you have to realize that even though that player might have accumulated a couple of hundred or thousand in wins...it actually cost them double that, at the minimum, in losses. AIB does not calculate the losses verses the wins, they just post wins and disregard the losses.

Now, underneath the list of winners for the last 30 days, is an arrow which you can click for a list of more winners. Those are people who won a long time ago. Not in October/November as indicated. Perfect example is Midnite. They have her posted as winning $25,000 in that October/November listing and this is a lie. I am playing at AIB since June of 1999 and Midnite had won long before I appeared on the scene.

AIB has a very attractive homepage, very pretty graphics, and a somewhat friendly group of pitbosses. However, all of this means nothing, if you are going to walk away a loser every session.

The machines have all been re-programmed. They are tight and do not pay anything on a maximum bet. Occassionally, you will hit something on a minimum bet.

Their major draw for players are their tournaments. The unfortunate situation here is that they are just money eaters. You will never come out ahead in the long run. Bear in mind, that it is these touraments that are AIB's bread and butter.

The executives have lied to all the regular players. You see, months ago, they offered very generous cash bonuses to non-playing players who had left AIB. When the regular players learned of this, we were promised by the Executives of AIB that we would also receive bonuses, as a reward for our loyalty to this site. Well, it is no secret but that was just another ploy on AIB's part to keep us there. The Bonuses were NEVER given.

I hope I have clarified to many of the players, old and new alike, exactly how AIB rips us off. I am sorry for everyone, including myself, who fell for their nonsense.

 

[Laurel214]

Hey Mark, by ignoring us and not addressing the issues, I assure you will not make us go away!!

It is quite oblivious that we are not going to get our bonuses as you promised, so be it. However, I have taken up a new hobby as of today, and that is making sure everyone is aware of the goings on in your casino. This will include
personal emails to players, as well as postings on any gambling forum I can find. By the way, did you know that Gambling.Com will be putting in a forum for the Best and Worst Casinos?? Guess who will be their first post?? I found out this information after I sent an email expressing my disgust with their site by allowing Atlantic Interbet to manipulate their players from their sister site Interbet Casino to vote for them, thus pushing up their ratings unjustly.
Mr. Graeme Levin from Gambling.com told me about this new forum they are instituting and suggested it might be of interest to me.

You know Mark its a shame, AIB had a good thing going. They had the greatest online gambling site on the web in my opinion. Great Graphics, Super Pits, fun players and super atmosphere and you blew it !! I cant believe management let that happen. You change the machines so now they wont pay a dime, you change the tournaments
so they are not even worth playing, you give bonus to players on a pick and choose basis and upset all the other players and wont answer mail, messages or even this forum. You leave us no other choice but to bash your casino in every way possible. In honesty, I dont even know if the damage can be repaired at this point.

When I approached you and asked you right out if the machine settings had been changed you denied it and got extremely upset with me. Well just look at your current winners page for the last 30 days, if you total them ALL it amounts to $17,341.00 TOTAL. Back in October (before the maintenance/changes were made) I won more than that by myself, not including all the other players that were winning. I really dont know what you guys were thinking of when you made that change. Did you honestly think we wouldnt notice!! But worse than that, I confronted you and you denied it to my face. As usual, more lies.

So take heed Mark and the boys, you will go down I promise. By the way, when can I expect to see the winners list for December and January I could use a good chuckle??

 

[razl]

I am one of the "regular" players at AIB. As with all online casinos, I registered at AIB with the hope of "hitting the big one" but with my expectations set much lower. To me, the enjoyment of playing is of foremost importance. I have little or no knowledge of how online casinos programme their software, nor do I care. If I incur consistant losses, regardless of the game I play, I leave and don't play there again. As well, if I perceive that there is a lack of fair play on the part of the casino, I will also leave. I expect, when frequenting a casino, that any concerns I may have will be addressed by the appropriate personnel. This has been my experience at AIB. I have always received satisfaction in a timely manner from them.
I enjoy the interaction with other patrons, as well as the staff. I look upon the tournaments as an added bonus for that casino, because I know of very few casinos that offer numerous tournaments on a daily basis. However, these tournaments are not mandatory, so I am selective as to which tournaments I enter. I know that certain games, i.e. blackjack or keno, and I do not mix so I will not play in those tournaments. But it is my choice.
I am aware of the prizes for these tournaments prior to entering, so if I choose to partake, I am consenting to those prizes and I wager accordingly. Again, it's all about choice!
I believe that players must take responsibility for their actions, and if unhappy, or unlucky, at a casino, leave. There are numerous other casinos from which to choose.
However, the number one rule must always be:
Don't bet more than you can afford to lose.

 

[BABYGIRL]

RAZL:

YOU ARE CORRECT, PLAYERS MUST TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. WHAT ABOUT THE CASINOS? DO YOU THINK IT IS OKAY TO BE LIED TO? BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT AIB DID. THEY PROMISED ALL OF THE REGULAR PLAYERS BONUSES FOR THEIR LOYALTY TO AIB. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THEIR PROMISE. APPARENTLY, SOMEONE AT AIB MUST BE PAYING YOU TO WRITE HERE AT THE FORUM AND POST POSITIVES ABOUT THAT SITE. UNFORTUNATELY, AS USUAL, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

BY THE WAY, PROGRAMME IS SPELLED PROGRAM:}}}

 

[razl]

I did not post my previous message as an endorsement of shady actions on the part of any casino. I was merely stating my experiences with the casino. No, I have NOT been paid to write positive comments about the casino, and I feel sorry for you if you believe that all positive comments about AIB must have been bought. As an aside, Americans spell it "program" but Canadians (me) and the British spell it "programme". We may spell words differently, and use different expressions than Americans, but I know that we are all aiming for the same result. That is to be able to play at legitimate online casinos, have fun,and hopefully win some time.

 

[Anonymous]

BABYGIRL AND OTHERS,

MY AGREEING NOTE WITH YOU --
ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS GIFTS TO OTHER PLAYERS: I TOO WAS HURT WHEN
I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, BUT IT LASTED 10 SECONDS. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
CASINOS MARKET AND PROMOTE ALL THE TIME, I GET FLYERS FROM CAESARS
ALL THE TIME OFFERING ME HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IF I COME BETWEEN
CERTAIN DATES, ITS CALLED PROMOTIONS AND THE NAME OF THE GAME. IF
YOU ALL CANT ACCEPT IT YOU HAVE NO PLACE GAMBLING, SISTERS - MOVE
ON WITH YOUR LIVES.

MY NON AGREEING NOTE WITH YOU --
I AM COMPLETELY FED UP WITH YOUR ATTITUDES. ALL OF YOU. YOU COME
INTO AIB, TRYING TO RILE PEOPLE UP AND BITCH ABOUT THIS AND THAT,
BUT THE SIMPLE FACT IS - YOU ALL *** LOVE *** AIB OBVIOUSLY! WHY
ON EARTH WOULD YOU EXERT SO MUCH ENERGY TO BITCHING ABOUT A PLACE
UNLESS YOU CARE? THERE IS THE PROBLEM - PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT A
PLACE SHOULDN'T KNOCK IT AND BADMOUTH IT.

I HAVE GAMBLED AT ZILLIONS OF ONLINE CASINOS, SOME THAT TOOK $100
OF MY MONEY OTHERS THAT TOOK $1000'S - I AM AN ADULT, AND I MAKE
MY OWN DECISIONS WHERE I WILL PLAY - IF I DONT LIKE THE ODDS AT
ONE CASINO OR FEEL THE MACHINES ARE TIGHT, I MOVE ON TO ANOTHER.
YET YOU ARE ALWAYS COMING BACK TO AIB, THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING
RIGHT, AND THAT GOES FOR THE LOT OF YOU! IF YOU'RE GONNA BITCH
OR MOAN, DO IT! AND BE DONE WITH IT, AND STOP COMING BACK INTO
OUR SITE AND RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US WHO ARE VERY HAPPY WITH
AIB AND THE PROGRAMS THERE. IF YOU AINT HAPPY, MOVE ON! ALL YOU
ARE DOING TO THOSE READING IS MAKING THEM SCRATCH THEIR HEAD AND
WONDER WHY ON EARTH PEOPLE WOULD CONTINUE TO BITCH ABOUT A PLACE
PUBLICALLY AND YET STILL GAMBLE THERE HOURS EVERY DAY!!! DO YOU
REALIZE HOW UNCREDIBLE THIS MAKES YOU ALL SOUND????????????????????

I WONDER WHAT SOME OF YOU MUST BE LIKE IN REAL LIFE TO BE SO
SOCIALLY BACKWARDS.. I HAVE LEFT CAESARS'S IN VEGAS MANY A NIGHT
CURSING AT THE MACHINES, THE CASINOS, UNDER MY BREATH, VOWING
I'D NEVER BE BACK - YET I CAME BACK THE NEXT JUNKET AND YAH, SOMETIMES
I DID IT AGAIN. I GUESS BECAUSE THE INTERNET ALLOWS US ALL TO SPEAK,
WE DO - BUT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE BITCHING
IN THESE FORUMS ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST LOST MONEY LIKE THE MILLIONS OF
UNSPOKEN OTHERS IN THE REAL LAND CASINOS DO EVERY DAY - YOU JUST HAPPEN
TO BE READING IT, IS ALL, AND IF YOU TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, OR THESE PEOPLE,
YOU'RE BEING NAIVE.

BABYGIRL, I HAVE PLAYED IN MANY TOURNAMENTS WITH YOU, AND BEEN
ASTONISHED AT YOUR FOUL-MOUTHED LANGUAGE TO THE STAFF AND PLAYERS... YOU
MUST BE A VERY BITTER PERSON IN REAL LIFE, AND I FEEL DEEP SADNESS FOR
YOU, BUT PLEASE - TAKE IT TO THE SHRINK, OR GAMBLER'S ANONYMOUS, AND STAY
OUT OF THE PEOPLE'S LIVES WHO KNOW HOW TO GAMBLE AND ENJOY THEMSELVES.

I REFUSE TO POST MY REAL NAME BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE THE TOURNAMENTS
AIB OFFERS AND ENJOY MY VISITS THERE BUT IF THIS KEEPS UP I WILL BEGIN
COMPLAINING TO CASINO ABOUT YOU PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
NOT THE SOLUTION.

 

[RJVBU]

In response to Anonymous...

I also enjoy playing at AiB. I enjoy being able to sit and chat with my mom (without paying a long distance bill) and friends, playing a quarter at a time if that's all I have to play.

It used to be about the money with me too, I must sadly admit. But, since I've vowed not to fall into the same pitfall of making deposit after deposit, after deposit just to try and win some of my money back, I've learned I can survive playing a quarter at a time for the sheer entertainment value.

Except for a couple of occasions, I feel I have, for the most part, presented myself courteous in the casino so I take exception to your words above. I do not make it a point to cause trouble or create a ruckus. I may or may not even get involved in conversations and arguments that appear in the chat box. I have been frustrated and angry before but tried to direct my questions and frustrations to the pitbosses via page.

What I am NOT happy with is being lied to. That's the irritating and aggravating part. I can't condone AiB's false promises and deceiving ways. Had AiB been honest with us up front about the bonuses, we still wouldn't have been happy, but we'd have probably gotten over it or moved on by now. Being lied to about them just served to draw it out longer.

I'm not going to threaten to leave or this or that... I will continue to play there as long as I (1) have money without going deeper into debt, (2) have my mom & friends to talk to and (3) enjoy myself. When one or all of these requirements are gone, then maybe I will be too. Who knows. All I want is the truth. That's all I hope to accomplish by posting here.