Ask me anything (about slots)!

[Bloatgoat]

Trancemonkey,

What are the reasons that games from b&m take so long to transfer to online ? Or the same the other way from online to proper casinos ?

I’m asking because your new games look fantastic visually, so why can companies just not do a simultaneous release for all markets ?

Another thing is if DOA 1 or 2 was put in land based casinos , what are the reasons that you think it wouldn’t work ? I’m assuming that DOA is very successful online , and there must be a reason that NetEnt don’t have a big land based presence.

Is it just due to gaming politics / brand dominance ( Novo / IGT / SG ) in land based ?

One of the reasons I’m sure that most people signed up to the old jackpot party casino is that they were the first to have the WMS slots online . That is the reason I signed up.

Last point is Cashino online , which is owned by Merkur but has not had any Merkur slots available for a few years now . I only signed up with them as they had the slots I wanted to play originally

Games like DOA with RTP over a million spins would certainly frustratie landbased players. As it is common or considered normal to first wager 150 spins on average to have a bonus going, imagine the impatience people would have playing on a landbased. The game has to be shrinked in a way to offer a more stable volatility that is equal to many of the other slots a landbased offers. And yeah, you have these slots already, usually the million euro machines which slowly buildup over time as players wager more and more on these slots.

I think landbased and their offerings hold their ground(s) already. Dont need that garbage that some online games bring to the table.

 

[neon claws]

How long do slots remember your play session?
I mean, for slots with accumulators like Vikings, how long do they remember where your rage bars are up to?

It would suck to have a bar almost full and come back in a week time only for it to have forgotten your progress.

 

[Kroffe]

Not sure how long it saves, but the rage i had built up on Vikings go berzerk at Vera&John was still there.
And it has been months, maybe half a year since played last.

 

[trancemonkey]

How long do slots remember your play session?
I mean, for slots with accumulators like Vikings, how long do they remember where your rage bars are up to?

It would suck to have a bar almost full and come back in a week time only for it to have forgotten your progress.

It normally tells you on the rules page if it times out, otherwise it should be forever.

 

[NolimitCity - Pelle]

Not sure how long it saves, but the rage i had built up on Vikings go berzerk at Vera&John was still there.
And it has been months, maybe half a year since played last.

The time for saved sessions is also regulated in a few markets - and as @trancemonkey says - check the rules for details. 6 months is a pretty common default number.

 

[Guzzie]

What do you think of Legacy Of egypt slot?

 

[trancemonkey]

What do you think of Legacy Of egypt slot?

This is Play 'n' Go's attempt to do a Montezuma, with some minor differences.
I think i prefer the original Montezuma if i'm honest...

 

[trancemonkey]

Just wondering - should i start a new AMA thread so newbies (and people that don't want to read all 121 pages) can ask some questions?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Just wondering - should i start a new AMA thread so newbies (and people that don't want to read all 121 pages) can ask some questions?

I wish somebody would categorise the thread.

 

[trancemonkey]

I wish somebody would categorise the thread.

What do you mean?

 

[bamberfishcake]

What do you mean?

I dont know enough about the contents or the workings of slots to give the best examples but i was thinking of something like:

Are slots compensated? Post 761
Does stopping work? - Post 213
RNG - Post 666
etc
etc

Obviously more categories but something like that would be useful i think as i often have a question or fancy getting schooled but did intend to read the thread from start to finish and started skimming through posts.

Something to sort the wheat from the chaff, like a knowledge base. Or a table of contents.

 

[goatwack]

It would become more a glossary than thread really, but easiest thing to do would be copy/ paste common question & answers and import them into a said 'Beginner's Guide' in a new thread.

This thread's way too convoluted for people to 'to & fro', it should be put out to pasture and just have a clearer one made, albeit without users' ahem excellent insights!

Downside: Trance'll have to comb through 120 pages of.......'conjecture'

 

[bamberfishcake]

It would become more a glossary than thread really, but easiest thing to do would be copy/ paste common question & answers and import them into a said 'Beginner's Guide' in a new thread.

This thread's way too convoluted for people to 'to & fro', it should be put out to pasture and just have a clearer one made, albeit without users' ahem excellent insights!

Downside: Trance'll have to comb through 120 pages of.......'conjecture'

Yes something like a seperate glossary with the most general questions and the answers from trancemonkey would be great but im being lazy and thats a lot of hard work. Great thread anyway and good to have the input.

 

[dionysus]

maybe an FAQ and preempt most comon Qs by answering them out of the gate; and any repeasts can be directed to initial post, then only new Qs going forward

 

[goatwack]

I see the angle you're going for, but - BUT - I suggest we tape off the thread's previous 120 pages and simply start anew, asking Trance all the same questions, starting here on in

 

[pinnit2014]

Could be a split screen thread, half and half; Question by Bloatgoat; Response by Trancemonkey.

 

[goatwack]

Or have a 'Lazarus' section, where all members banned in this thread get another pop

 

[pinnit2014]

Members have been banned?

Well, I never.

 

[slotmaster]

I will start for the new thread, Are slots rigged?

 

[Masquerade67]

Has that question already been asked ? I really don't have the time to go back through 121 pages.

 

[neon claws]

Do slots feel love?

 

[dionysus]

Do slots feel love?

pain maybe
I've seen more than a few little old ladies (and a few gentlemen) punch the screen

 

[Masquerade67]

Do all slots have a demo mode ? I know that demos exists on at least one as I used to play 'Ted' and 'Goldilocks' on Vegas Slots Online. In the case of the former, a drop down select-box is present that allows the next spin to drop in any of the 'featurettes'.... "Leading to...." ......<insert bonus type here>.

For the one session that I saw this, it was good fun exploring the different things that I hadn't seen. I didn't screen grab at the time (18 months' ago ??), or go any further with looking whether there was any comms outside of the game client. My questions are:

1) Was it a mistake for the site to show this interface? (probably)
2) What other client-side switches are built into games that we cannot see ? (Bet size, currency, number of spins until pre-determined feature, etc)
3) Are the UKGC intelligent enough to police misuse of this ?

I wasn't going mad. Honest 'Guv

Trancemonkey ?

 

[dionysus]

Trancemonkey ?

you'd likely be better off using the tag feature
@trancemonkey

 

[trancemonkey]

Do all slots have a demo mode ? I know that demos exists on at least one as I used to play 'Ted' and 'Goldilocks' on Vegas Slots Online. In the case of the former, a drop down select-box is present that allows the next spin to drop in any of the 'featurettes'.... "Leading to...." ......<insert bonus type here>.

For the one session that I saw this, it was good fun exploring the different things that I hadn't seen. I didn't screen grab at the time (18 months' ago ??), or go any further with looking whether there was any comms outside of the game client. My questions are:

1) Was it a mistake for the site to show this interface? (probably)
2) What other client-side switches are built into games that we cannot see ? (Bet size, currency, number of spins until pre-determined feature, etc)
3) Are the UKGC intelligent enough to police misuse of this ?

I wasn't going mad. Honest 'Guv

Trancemonkey ?

The version of the game you played is likely the one they make available on their website or demo server. It would enable people to see all the features.

It is not the true demo mode. If a site links to this version, it's likely that it was not intended to be a public facing version of the game.

All games have demo options like this for testing, development and demonstration purposes but it is very unusual for these to be made available to the public.

As per UKGC guidelines, the demo mode of a game should be exactly the same maths as the playable version - I.e the only difference should be that credits are already on the game.

TM

 

[trancemonkey]

Do slots feel love?

Only if you tickle them

 

[Masquerade67]

you'd likely be better off using the tag feature
@trancemonkey

I am a luddite Maybe with the stay-at-home, I'll learn what a hashtag is too

 

[Masquerade67]

All games have demo options like this for testing, development and demonstration purposes but it is very unusual for these to be made available to the public.

It was nice to see it while it lasted. Thanks for confirming that I wasn't too heavy into the Malt.

However, good to know these aren't generally available. I rather like games like 'Ted' and 'Goonies' that tie in very well with the films they represent.

 

[Kroffe]

I usually try out slots with play-money before going at it with a deposit.
But what i really am looking for is to see a couple bonuses just to get an idea of what to expect when playing for real money later.
Would love if the playmoney-version would include a way to trigger the bonus, since thats what im after.
Especially for games that have bonuses that take a couple hundred spins to trigger on average. Takes forever just to see 2-3 bonuses in playmoney-mode.

 

[neon claws]

I usually try out slots with play-money before going at it with a deposit.
But what i really am looking for is to see a couple bonuses just to get an idea of what to expect when playing for real money later.
Would love if the playmoney-version would include a way to trigger the bonus, since thats what im after.
Especially for games that have bonuses that take a couple hundred spins to trigger on average. Takes forever just to see 2-3 bonuses in playmoney-mode.

Wouldn't the bonus frequency be one of the main things you'd want to get a feel for though?

 

[trancemonkey]

Wouldn't the bonus frequency be one of the main things you'd want to get a feel for though?

Good point...

 

[Kroffe]

Wouldn't the bonus frequency be one of the main things you'd want to get a feel for though?

True, but mostly i want to try a couple to see what kind of bonus i can expect when chasing for real money.
But i agree, how hard they are to land is def a big part of the slot.

 

[DrFeelgood]

Can casinos change odds on slots?

 

[nikantw]

Can casinos change odds on slots?

The short answer is yes.
In slots it is called Theoretical Return To Player or TRTP or just RTP, instead of odds.
The casinos can choose between several RTP versions of the same game that are available. They can't just make changes on their own. The different RTP settings are only the ones available and certified by the provider.

There are many threads on the subject, like:

Shock! Casino owners may change RTP in Play N'GO slots!
What casinos have the best payouts UK?

And many places here and in the main site to explain about RTP, like:

How to: Online Casino Player Tips - Casinomeister
Slots: What you should know before you play

 

[Marchev]

You are in CasinoMeister since 2013 and still talk bul***it

 

[slotmaster]

So it's 2020 are slots rigged? Are the casinos really rigging them while closed to lowest RTP'S ever seen?

 

[dionysus]

So it's 2020 are slots rigged? Are the casinos really rigging them while closed to lowest RTP'S ever seen?

answered your own Q
why rig when ya can order lower RTP

 

[Bloatgoat]

Even tho landbased is 85 up to 92%, really i think the chances of a 'good night' is better overall then online.

 

[dionysus]

better for general entertaintment (friends, band, drinks, buffet.....sure)
better for returns?
er...no, you already expressed that measure in RTP

 

[PeterH92]

@trancemonkey I have a question let's say I am playing Book Of Dead and have around 200 spins at £1 without getting a bonus then I decide to leave that slot to try another but return to Book Of Dead to try and get the bonus again does it know from my last play how much I have had and if I got the bonus or not so I am asking can a slot remember how many spins you've had does it carry on where you left off?

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey I have a question let's say I am playing Book Of Dead and have around 200 spins at £1 without getting a bonus then I decide to leave that slot to try another but return to Book Of Dead to try and get the bonus again does it know from my last play how much I have had and if I got the bonus or not so I am asking can a slot remember how many spins you've had does it carry on where you left off?

Nope, slots have no memory of previous play. Its against the rules of all regulated markets.. the only time slots store bits of game play is where you have some sort of game persistence... for example, BTG games where you collect stuff (like Monopoly)...

TM

 

[bamberfishcake]

When they make a slot and test it for x million spins to check the RTP is every variant tested again?

For example, Netent just started offering lower versions of existing slots. Do they have to test the new RTP versions again or is it based on calculations of the existing tested version?

 

[trancemonkey]

When they make a slot and test it for x million spins to check the RTP is every variant tested again?

For example, Netent just started offering lower versions of existing slots. Do they have to test the new RTP versions again or is it based on calculations of the existing tested version?

Every RTP version has to be tested and verified by an official test house.

 

[Guntis]

Nope, slots have no memory of previous play. Its against the rules of all regulated markets.. the only time slots store bits of game play is where you have some sort of game persistence... for example, BTG games where you collect stuff (like Monopoly)...

TM

How come then Microgaming slots and Netent's Dead or Alive let you play at the same bet size which you left off?

For example, today, I have played The finer reels of life at £3 per spin and then decided to leave a casino, and come back on the next day. If I don't clean/delete all the possible stored stuff from my computer, by opening the slot on the next day it will show my bet at which I was playing previously.

P.S Sometimes, on MG slots, it's doesn't even help if a computer is cleaned. A game will still start from the same bet and with same symbols on reels from the previously played session.

 

[Scotgirl]

Sorry if this has been posted before. Why don’t Blueprint games let you play on demo mode?

 

[trancemonkey]

How come then Microgaming slots and Netent's Dead or Alive let you play at the same bet size which you left off?

For example, today, I have played The finer reels of life at £3 per spin and then decided to leave a casino, and come back on the next day. If I don't clean/delete all the possible stored stuff from my computer, by opening the slot on the next day it will show my bet at which I was playing previously.

P.S Sometimes, on MG slots, it's doesn't even help if a computer is cleaned. A game will still start from the same bet and with same symbols on reels from the previously played session.

The game can of course store data like that as that has no impact on the maths. That's just peripheral data

 

[Bloatgoat]

The version of the game you played is likely the one they make available on their website or demo server. It would enable people to see all the features.

It is not the true demo mode. If a site links to this version, it's likely that it was not intended to be a public facing version of the game.

All games have demo options like this for testing, development and demonstration purposes but it is very unusual for these to be made available to the public.

As per UKGC guidelines, the demo mode of a game should be exactly the same maths as the playable version - I.e the only difference should be that credits are already on the game.

TM

So why do demo games run far better in comparison to real games?

Heck just watch roshstein; the wins he brings to the table are unreal for real money.

 

[trancemonkey]

So why do demo games run far better in comparison to real games?

Heck just watch roshstein; the wins he brings to the table are unreal for real money.

Under UKGC (and I believe MGA rules too) demo games MUST use the same maths as the real money versions.

Play at dodgy casinos, and no idea what they could be doing...and we all know Roshstein is fake. Let's not open up old wounds again.

 

[Bloatgoat]

You always say dodgy casino's, but there are nummerous outside of the UK such as Unibet, online casino's in Europe / Portugal (where i play for example) that do have a license from the goverment and are strictly controlled. Sometimes it seems that you just seem to avoid anything that's not within the UK. A dodgy casino woud'nt pay out 65k as that happend to me.

Dodgy or not; the maths might be the same, the win / volatility ratio is far higher with demo then real play obviously.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Wrong thread.