Ask me anything (about slots)!

[trancemonkey]

I refuse to believe, that every slot is a indepenent piece of software, if i and others have nummerous weeks of 'bad luck' and once your depositted your way out of it, this luck turns around again. ANY slot hitting. It wagers you completely to shit if you keep playing on the same level all the time.

You bet big > You win big and it stalls you pretty quick. You bet low, it will pay low but a certain level (how the fuck can i hit 6x 24 spins on Chilli) and this low paying goes on to that certain point you would archieve with going big as well.

I hate to say it man but there's something going on with these casino's, these slots, independent my ass. Random my ass too. You cant have a bad streak for weeks, deposits over 5 grand or so and then all of a sudden slots vagina open wide up just for you.

Almost as if they were random...

And that's the problem - you refuse to believe. So why even debate it then?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Look, i proberly sound like a fool, or i say some stuff that you cannot find yourself into, but i do see some questionable behaviour over the course of time going on with online slots. It's like almost just want to give up on hacking in the truth and do something else with my life perhaps.

You cant say running games with different RTP's. Lets put a few things togethere here and debunk what you say.

- Casino's can select the RTP.
- Casino's can hide the used RTP.
- RTP is lower for certain country's and players due to tax.
- Casino's could perhaps choose a different variance.
- Games do have different RTP's, lol.

I dont know, we dont know, nobody came in here on these forums showing different or at least convince that the truth is otherwise. Saying "some vip manager" ... Dude. Thats like having a salesmen on a garage who does'nt know what he's talking about. Woud'nt the online casino (brand) in this case, look like a complete tool if they would be having a VIP manager that's spreading BS about their system that they use?

I refer to normal as in landbased. They do it. And they proberly already have a model running online. It's more tight, secure, no slot running out of control or any of that. Perhaps a even more long term profit because the chances of a player abusing a slot (like i did, lol ) is very slim. I've spoken to a few people here as well that could testify on abusing certain online slots. It had a certain pattern and it had certain flaws.

You make it sound like the world is flawless, perfect, and that greedy casino's and slot providers do not exist. Really i dont believe it. Change one bit over the course of a million spins and look at the huge benefit for both party's alone. This forum is full with rogue casino's.

 

[trancemonkey]

I'll answer all your points tomorrow as it's late, but just one question while I'm asleep you can answer....

Why do you believe the VIP manager more than, say, me?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Why would they spread fud in your opinion?

 

[trancemonkey]

Why would they spread fud in your opinion?

You're not answering the question... why would I spread fud either?

And I very much doubt the guy you spoke to fully understands slots.. although I have no idea what casino it is, so I can't comment on whether or not it is actually fair anyway...

 

[goatwack]

Sorry to be 'that guy' but what the hell is fud

 

[slotmaster]

Sorry to be 'that guy' but what the hell is fud

The s word, S!@#!, ca-ca, BS, or for you u.k. peeps BOLLOX?

 

[slotter999]

Why would they spread fud in your opinion?

Perhaps for the same reasons you incessantly peddle fud on this forum i.e. they are just utterly clueless as to how slot machines work so invent ludicrous stories to try and fill in those gaps for how they think a slot might work.

 

[trancemonkey]

Answers below in your Quote:

Look, i proberly sound like a fool, or i say some stuff that you cannot find yourself into, but i do see some questionable behaviour over the course of time going on with online slots. It's like almost just want to give up on hacking in the truth and do something else with my life perhaps.

You can't hack a truth that doesn't exist

You cant say running games with different RTP's. Lets put a few things togethere here and debunk what you say.

You literally haven't debunked anything i've said - i've asked how redistribution of funds works if all games have different RTP's, and are played at entirely different rates and stakes...

For example, if everyone in a casino played at 20c, and then one guy comes in and plays a never before played game at €200, how does the casino "redistribute" money for the high roller - there simply wouldn't be enough swilling around.

It's simple maths, and you just simply don't understand it.

- Casino's can select the RTP.
Yes of course they can - both land-based and online games are normally produced with multiple RTP's. Land-based are nearly always much lower than online. Not sure what your point is. This doesn't prove some complex system of redistribution of funds and all manufacturers working together illegally to do exactly what individual games with their own RTP's do.
- Casino's can hide the used RTP.
In some jurisdictions, yes - they do not have to publish the target RTP's. This doesn't prove some complex system of redistribution of funds and all manufacturers working together illegally to do exactly what individual games with their own RTP's do.
- RTP is lower for certain country's and players due to tax.
Correct - of course it is. This doesn't prove some complex system of redistribution of funds and all manufacturers working together illegally to do exactly what individual games with their own RTP's do.
- Casino's could perhaps choose a different variance.
If games providers offered such a choice yes, although i have never heard of it. This doesn't prove some complex system of redistribution of funds and all manufacturers working together illegally to do exactly what individual games with their own RTP's do.
- Games do have different RTP's, lol.
Correct - of course they do. I've never suggested they don't. This doesn't prove some complex system of redistribution of funds and all manufacturers working together illegally to do exactly what individual games with their own RTP's do.

I dont know, we dont know, nobody came in here on these forums showing different or at least convince that the truth is otherwise. Saying "some vip manager" ... Dude. Thats like having a salesmen on a garage who does'nt know what he's talking about. Woud'nt the online casino (brand) in this case, look like a complete tool if they would be having a VIP manager that's spreading BS about their system that they use?

Get the VIP manager to come on here and discuss it with me then. Or are you somehow suggesting that a VIP manager would know more about the inner workings of games than the people that actually create them

I refer to normal as in landbased. They do it. No, they simply do not. I make land-based games, i know exactly how they work, what the laws are, what the testing process is, and i visit many operators and casinos. In fact, a lot use our central system, which i also know how it works. So please, tell me how i DO NOT KNOW what goes on in land-based casinos?

And they proberly already have a model running online. It's more tight, secure, no slot running out of control or any of that.

Again proving you have zero idea about the industry - Slots run out of control all the time, if you mean running over RTP. It's pure statistics. Some days casinos lose a lot of money, other days they make a lot. Variance is something casinos have to handle, and have funds to cover.

Perhaps a even more long term profit because the chances of a player abusing a slot (like i did, lol ) is very slim. I've spoken to a few people here as well that could testify on abusing certain online slots. It had a certain pattern and it had certain flaws.

Flaws happen. Some people find and exploit them. Modern day RTP monitoring software would pick this up and flag it as a problem, and then the games would be removed and / or fixed.

You make it sound like the world is flawless, perfect, and that greedy casino's and slot providers do not exist. Really i dont believe it. Change one bit over the course of a million spins and look at the huge benefit for both party's alone. This forum is full with rogue casino's.

Yes it is full of rogue casinos, and i cannot and will not talk for them - but what i can do is discuss all the legit ones that exist!

I know this is 10 minutes of my life i'll never get back, and you'll ignore it - but it's cathartic for me

 

[Jono777]

@Bloatgoat

Forgive me if I am mistaken but aren't you the person who was withdrawing regular 4-figure sums a few weeks back?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yes, thats me. I still believe that i obtained by abusing a slot. Not just luck.

 

[LordSilver]

Perhaps this crazy high ass variance is what causing this. People who hit 8000 on a 40 cent bet, it's just ridiculous. Lucky for them tho! But in all fairness, this is killing the players who bet / play big.

Which is why there are games with different variance. One game doesn't cater all. If you don't like high variance games, play medium or low variance games. Different players will like different kind of slots and there is for sure something for everyone out there.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yes, thats me. I still believe that i obtained by abusing a slot. Not just luck.

Abused it by simply pressing the Start button? Maybe changing bet sizes or denoms...

Yeah you beat it, I admit

#facepalm

 

[Bloatgoat]

No, by constantly doing buy-ins on Chilli of 500 each. After an avg of 5 to 7 it would hit again and leave me with a positive bankroll. Do that 3 days straight and you'll end up in the 65k figure yes. The game was limited to 500 buy btw. It's changed now to a max of 2000 bonus buy.

 

[Halvor]

That's simply not how extra chilli works @Bloatgoat

Do you really think even in a case where a game had a malfunction. something like this would not have been discovered and corrected?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Whatever. I took 65k for it. A gamblers delight if you ask me. The only reason why i'm posting this now is because it does'nt work anymore.

 

[Halvor]

Congrats you got lucky, I dont feel the need to repeat trancemonkey's repeated explanations of RTP. But thats sort of how games work.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I was pretty sure i could go on like that for another 3 extra days, but i was more worried about the casino not paying me out. If they can and will find a reason to bash you with they will (with all the story's on the net). But they furfilled their duty just nicely without one single question asked. After that the website got a complete make-over, the game max buy was changed to 2k and i cannot repeat it anymore.

Sure that many hammer on how the RTP or slots nature work. But i have'nt seen a repeating proces like i did over and over and over again. I had my family watch me over RDP and show 'm that i was exploiting a slot there. For my brother it was nerve wrecking to see the 5 to 7 gambles which would fail, but compensate + extra on the end. And that little extra all the time caused me to push towards even the 70k range.

The 5k i just got greedy.

 

[trancemonkey]

No, by constantly doing buy-ins on Chilli of 500 each. After an avg of 5 to 7 it would hit again and leave me with a positive bankroll. Do that 3 days straight and you'll end up in the 65k figure yes. The game was limited to 500 buy btw. It's changed now to a max of 2000 bonus buy.

You were simply lucky - there is another thread (on CasinoGrounds) of someone allegedly buying 34 features in a row and losing every single gamble. I don't necessarily believe that, but it IS statistically possible, just like yours is. Do you honestly think BTG would not have spotted an error now given that RTP monitoring is a legal requirement in most regulated jurisdictions?

Come on...

And btw, you haven't commented at all about my answers in post 2234 (Ask me anything (about slots)!)

 

[trancemonkey]

I was pretty sure i could go on like that for another 3 extra days, but i was more worried about the casino not paying me out. If they can and will find a reason to bash you with they will (with all the story's on the net). But they furfilled their duty just nicely without one single question asked. After that the website got a complete make-over, the game max buy was changed to 2k and i cannot repeat it anymore.

Sure that many hammer on how the RTP or slots nature work. But i have'nt seen a repeating proces like i did over and over and over again. I had my family watch me over RDP and show 'm that i was exploiting a slot there. For my brother it was nerve wrecking to see the 5 to 7 gambles which would fail, but compensate + extra on the end. And that little extra all the time caused me to push towards even the 70k range.

The 5k i just got greedy.

Ok, i will say this as bluntly as i can...

You DID NOT EXPLOIT ANYTHING other than your luck.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Flaws happen. Some people find and exploit them. Modern day RTP monitoring software would pick this up and flag it as a problem, and then the games would be removed and / or fixed.

Ahh yess. Flaws now do exist. Bit strange right after i came back after a while shit was changed and no longer was doing what i was doing right.

Sorry have'nt readed your post. I'm sure that all the technical requirements and so on are in shape. And that a license can or will be revoked once they start fiddling around with it.

 

[trancemonkey]

Ahh yess. Flaws now do exist. Bit strange right after i came back after a while shit was changed and no longer was doing what i was doing right.

Sorry have'nt readed your post. I'm sure that all the technical requirements and so on are in shape. And that a license can or will be revoked once they start fiddling around with it.

Of course flaws can exist... but Extra Chili has been around forever, and the checksum of the package hasn't changed, so the game hasn't been fixed... you just think it has

 

[Bloatgoat]

So if changing a game alters the checksum, how would a casino selecting a game with a lower RTP not change the checksum?

 

[trancemonkey]

So if changing a game alters the checksum, how would a casino selecting a game with a lower RTP not change the checksum?

Oh jeez - you do realise one game package can contain more than one version of maths right?

A game package is uploaded on to the server, and AT ANY POINT the UKGC can ask for proof that that package is the one that was tested and passed by the certification laboratory. If you change it without getting it recertified, you are breaking the law. Simples.

 

[Bloatgoat]

the UKGC can ask

The world of casino's is'nt just from the UK alone man.