Are you people NUTS?

[cipher]

All the best to you and yours at this Holiday Season as well. Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[bewitch]

Merry Christmas!!!

I just got home from a Xmas party and check the forum. I can't believe what I just read. Bedunk, please grow up and be responsible for your own behavior. Don't act like a 4 years old... It's very clear you are a gambler and seems to enjoy it. So you choose what you want no matter land or online casino. You can express your thoughts or whatever, but has no right to be rude to ANYONE or bad mouths. BTW, I didn't own any business related to casino, just a player with 6 months online casino experience (don't even play at land). AND I made nice small profit.

Linda is one of the sweetest person you can ever met in your life. Please respect other people opinions if you want others to respect yours as well.

Jinnia, Happy holiday to you! Got your card. You are a sweet heart!

My recent hobby is "playing" the short-term stock investment (beside my normal retirement account). I called it educational and taxable gambling!!! LOL~

(Message edited by bewitch on December 26, 2003)

 

[bedunk]

First, I am not a child....I truly apologize to Linda but making such assumptions are as bad as my behavior...

All my other views stand as they are...I thought thats what this board was all about...Expressing one's views and opinions...This board encompasses a small percentage of the true online gamblers across the globe...You may be the lucky few who can say you are honestly ahead..Knock on wood for you all....

All I can say is that if you read this board and others like it, they are full of stories relating failed casinos and dishonest ones that never return your hard earned money...Nothing I have said here this past week should surprise any of you who are regular readers....Most of it is the truth and you can find it right here posted by you on this board....

Just like real land gambling, it all catches up to us in the long run if it hasn't already and you just can't bear to admit it....

 

[jinnia]

lets see, very first post by debunk::

and if you all don't see that you are out of your minds...
Please wake up...
And gamblers lie about winnings, thats a fact...

Started right off being insulting.

I for one am awake here, and I've been going to land based casinos for years, and playing online casinos little over a year, and there is no difference in how a computer controls wins and losses. Only difference between the two is, at a land casino you get your money if you win, at an online casino, you're taking a risk on getting paid at all, and no worries about giving out personal information about yourself and/or credit/checking accounts.

Computers control all slot games online and at land casinos, and they are all programed tight.

 

[slotchik]

lets see, very first post by debunk::

and if you all don't see that you are out of your minds...
Please wake up...
And gamblers lie about winnings, thats a fact...

Started right off being insulting.

I for one am awake here, and I've been going to land based casinos for years, and playing online casinos little over a year, and there is no difference in how a computer controls wins and losses. Only difference between the two is, at a land casino you get your money if you win, at an online casino, you're taking a risk on getting paid at all, and no worries about giving out personal information about yourself and/or credit/checking accounts.

Computers control all slot games online and at land casinos, and they are all programed tight.

My first win online was 7,500 dollars and I was paid by courier in 5 days. That was SUPER FAST back before neteller and prepaid atm...and I only deposited 25!!
I hit the progressive on a quarter slot ~

this guy obviously lost money online or he wouldn't be spouting off at everyone here. If he would of won, he would of said otherwise. There are plenty here who can show you their win/loss logs and many who are ahead. Yes, people DO lose, or the casinos wouldn't be in business but if NONE paid and NOBODY won, why would anyone continue to play??? MAKE SENSE????

 

[bedunk]

Actually I am not a loser...I smartened up quick on how the software works against you...I can quote almost everyone who posted in this forum from their previous posts about losing on what they thought were overly tight gaming software and the such...Tight, thats just another word for rigged...So everyone has experienced the bad ones and try to stay away from them but don't deny you never felt cheated by an online casino...I actually don't read enough about people winning on here if you read the posts...And I keep reading about thge software...Its not the software, software is inate like a rock...It isn't until someone picks up the rock and throws it through a window before it becomes dangerous...The same is for software, it is all basically the same and inate until the casino operators tweak it for their advantage...So stop blaming software and look at the real culprits...

Its just a matter of time when they start shutting down online casinos altogether....Can't you just have fun playing with the many gambling software packages out there....Its basically the same and at the end of a bad session you can still go to sleep at night....

 

[jinnia]

My first win online was 7,500 dollars and I was paid by courier in 5 days. That was SUPER FAST back before neteller and prepaid atm...and I only deposited 25!!
I hit the progressive on a quarter slot ~QUOTE]

Congratulations!! Glad you won and no problems in getting paid!

Your name just wasn't one flaggged to be cheated at time, but it will happen, wait and see.

Slot machines exist for raking in the money to pay wins at table games 'fact'! I know a few operators at land based casinos who has said so, and yes, they are controlled by computers of which are programed by 'people' to be tight, or if you like calling it rigged, so be it, both words actually mean the same in computerized gaming on land or over the internet.

 

[bbchang21]

The house edge is normal. Rigged means it is not a fair simulation of the real game.

Billy

 

[bradleyt]

Rigged would mean they take out 2 random high cards out of each shuffle. For example in shuffle one they take out the 10 Clubs and Queen Hearts. For shuffle two they take out the King diamonds and Jack Spades. Repeat, repeat. You'd hardly notice (if at all) but it would have an affect on the house edge.

Another example of rigging is second dealing which means when the dealer has a potential to bust it draws a card and does a check to see if it will bust. If it is a bust card then the dealer takes the next card off the deck no matter what it is. Again not too noticable because the dealer would still bust sometimes but it definately affects the house edge.

People know slots don't pay out 100% - that's why they should be played for entertainment only and not as a way to make money. The only exception is a jackpot slot where you know the threshold of the jackpot amount where the machine becomes theoretically profitable to play which is extremely rare.

Simply put there is absolutely no reason to rig any casino games because the house has the edge on every single game (except full pay dueces wild, all-american poker, pick-em poker and a few others and blackjack card-counters) and in the long run will take all your money.

They don't build $4 Billion dollar casinos (Bellagio) in Vegas because people have an edge at the games....

 

[bbchang21]

Rigged would mean they take out 2 random high cards out of each shuffle. For example in shuffle one they take out the 10 Clubs and Queen Hearts. For shuffle two they take out the King diamonds and Jack Spades. Repeat, repeat. You'd hardly notice (if at all) but it would have an affect on the house edge.

Another example of rigging is second dealing which means when the dealer has a potential to bust it draws a card and does a check to see if it will bust. If it is a bust card then the dealer takes the next card off the deck no matter what it is. Again not too noticable because the dealer would still bust sometimes but it definately affects the house edge. ...

This is why studies like TrueGambler are important, I just wish it had been done better, without the need for corrections after publication. Analyising millions of hand would pick up if the distribution of the initial hands are not in agreement with what's expected or if the player's win/loss/push ratio is too far off the expected values, even when an individual player might put these down to bad luck. Dealing seconds would be very noticeable though, even in a few hundred hands, just read the Wizard's Casino Bar investigation.

 

[diego]

major software providers rig their blackjack since the player could cream them with correct basic strategy.QUOTE]

Rainman, this is no correct. If you play basic strategy the house has the edge still. It is small edge yes but still a house advantage. Only if you combine basic strategy with card counting can you have a small advantage. You can verify this in every blackjack book and you do not know this? I think that when Rainman plays Blackjack he makes many mistakes because he does not know what he is doing.

I think online you cannot count because the cards are shuffled after every hand.

Go to wizardofodds.com for free good advice.

 

[kniepm]

Referring again to the Wiz's site, Boss Media single deck black jack has a Player advantage of .11%.

Does that mean you'll win every session you play there?

 

[bradleyt]

Referring again to the Wiz's site, Boss Media single deck black jack has a Player advantage of .11%.

So if you wanted to play $100 a hand you'd make $.11 per hand. Doesn't sound like much but on fast sites you can play hundreds of hands per hour.

Of course you'd have to deposit at least 1000x your betting units to overcome the large swings. And who would feel 100% safe sending $100,000 to someone you don't know in a foreign country....

 

[wossisface]

.Its impossible to play 15 numbers 10 times straight in roulette and not hit one number

Anything is possible in roulette.That is the nature of the game.If you have spent much time observing land-based roulette, as you claim to have, you will undoubtedly have seen runs of twenty-plus reds or blacks in a row, which I think disproves your point. Stop talking through your pocket and try a bit of research.

 

[bbchang21]

Not hitting 15 given numbers 10 times in a row has a probability of roughly 1/180 (European roulette) or 1/150 (American roulette). This does not even qualify as a rare event.

Some casinos publish the numbers that came on the roulette wheel, you can check wether you would have won or lost. I am fairly sure that if you go through a day's worth of numbers you will find occasions when your 15 numbers would have lost 10 times in a row.

If you still don't believe it, why don't you follow this strategy: Bet the table minimum on roulette until you lose 9 times in a row, then bet your house on the 10th spin, when you cannot lose, can you?

Billy

 

[diego]

I am interest to read the game rules they have for this game, this is determine the edge and if true player edge I will to play this game. Do you know which Boss site has this single deck softwares?

 

[rainman]

major software providers rig their blackjack since the player could cream them with correct basic strategy.QUOTE]

Rainman, this is no correct. If you play basic strategy the house has the edge still. It is small edge yes but still a house advantage. Only if you combine basic strategy with card counting can you have a small advantage. You can verify this in every blackjack book and you do not know this? I think that when Rainman plays Blackjack he makes many mistakes because he does not know what he is doing.

I think online you cannot count because the cards are shuffled after every hand.

Go to wizardofodds.com for free good advice.

So not true diego. Yes if u dont adjust your bets and just play perfect bs which i do that is not enough.No the house does not have the edge at say bj over the long run if you play perfect bs with card counting. The edge should stay about the same or in the general area.Brick and mortar casinos you should almost always have the edge at bj with bs and card counting as long as u stick to it. The casinos solution to this is to ban u , reshuffle after every hand or restrict your play. Online they just tweak the software at bj if you are winning too much.

 

[kryddturken]

So not true diego. Yes if u dont adjust your bets and just play perfect bs which i do that is not enough.No the house does not have the edge at say bj over the long run if you play perfect bs with card counting. The edge should stay about the same or in the general area.Brick and mortar casinos you should almost always have the edge at bj with bs and card counting as long as u stick to it. The casinos solution to this is to ban u , reshuffle after every hand or restrict your play. Online they just tweak the software at bj if you are winning too much.

Rainman, there is not a single online Casino offering any penetration worth mentioning. Sure, Intercasino does not shuffle after every hand but they DO shuffle at 33%, or even earlier. With a 8 deck shoe and 33% pen there's no real use counting. Same goes for global player Casino.

So, you can't count online - hence you can't have the edge.

 

[kniepm]

The Cryptologic blackjack starts with newly shuffled cards before each hand. The graphic showing "shuffling" once in a while is just a gimmick. There is no pentration deeper than the present hand.

 

[caruso]

Ladies & gents, if you want to receive an honest game, can I suggest you stop playing online and invest your time in bricks & mortar casinos?

My own "unsubstantiatable" conclusions, in order:

Playtech: blackjack and videopoker rigged.
Boss Media: blackjack rigged.
Microgaming: blackjack rigged.
Cryptologic: blackjack may actually be honest.
RTG: ALL games may actually be honest (God knows why, RTG of all platforms.)

Don't buy the argument that you need to "prove" the case: it is NEVER possible to prove results as being statistically impossible. NEVER. If you feel you've been cheated, you only have your own silly self to blame for risking your money to a shady computer operating an RNG (rigged number generator) located in a mud hut on a Carribean beach. Dear me, they cheated. Well, you could have knocked me sideways with that revelation .

Once upon quite a long time ago I believed all the major providers to be honest, based on the argument that they have too much to lose.

Needless to say, a few years down the line I've (ahem) adjusted that opinion. They have nothing to lose, because cheating is practically IMPOSSIBLE to prove (see above). Crooks cheat. It's what they do.

If your objective is to find honest games, go to your local casino.

Present your evidence by all means. Just don't be shocked or infuriated about being cheated. It comes with the territory.

 

[GrandMaster]

The Cryptologic blackjack starts with newly shuffled cards before each hand. The graphic showing "shuffling" once in a while is just a gimmick. There is no pentration deeper than the present hand.

The rules are different for single player and multiplayer blackjack. Multiplayer BJ has a penetration of 33% according to the rules, although I seemed more like 25% to me. It might still be possible to make money by counting if you play the table minimum or just watch while the deck is unfavourable, and bet the table maximum once it is in your favour. I cannot be bothered to calculate how often a favourable situation would occur, how big a bankroll you would need, and how much money you could expect to make.

 

[hhcfreebie]

The rules are different for single player and multiplayer blackjack. Multiplayer BJ has a penetration of 33% according to the rules, although I seemed more like 25% to me. It might still be possible to make money by counting if you play the table minimum or just watch while the deck is unfavourable, and bet the table maximum once it is in your favour. I cannot be bothered to calculate how often a favourable situation would occur, how big a bankroll you would need, and how much money you could expect to make.

If you just sit behind and bet only when the counts are positive, you will have the advantage.
It is pointless to bet minimum as others will draw the cards for you. Why weaste my own money when others will gladly throw it for me?
The best timing to do this is during the beginning of each month when lots of people have to wager for their monthly bonus. Still, it's very boring and only work in mutiplayer BJ. I've been waiting more than 40 min just for a positive one count.