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Are you people NUTS?

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by bedunk, Dec 24, 2003.

  1. bedunk

    bedunk Dormant account

    I have been going to real c asinos for many years now...A couple of weeks ago I enetered my first Online casino...After just a few visits I have realized they are all rigged against the player and if you all don't see that you are out of your minds...Computers will be set for you to lose..I have only tried casinos suggested on this site...The play is not even close to being real and random as all the research I have done beforehand states. ...Some let you win big at first and then they take it all away...I kept enough to break even but thats all...I could see the trend I should have expected...Its impossible to play 15 numbers 10 times straight in roulette and not hit one number after winning over $700 doing the same methond unless it was set at a limit and and when reached, to take it back from there...Please wake up...And gamblers lie about winnings, thats a fact...
     
  2. rainman

    rainman Dormant account

    well your right about one thing online casinos do cheat whether it is right away or later on.I don't lie about winnings as little as I have had. I won before at club dice and vegas country and the old intercasino before they rigged it.
     
  3. bedunk

    bedunk Dormant account

    Thanks for agreeing with me....These casinos are basically unreachable by any court to people in the USA even though it is illegal in the USA..Doesn't that tell you something right there, why they are flourishing...The greedier they get which is only a matter of time, they will all start cheating on larger basis than they already are..
     
  4. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Bedunk and welcome to the forum.

    For one thing, you are way, way off.

    <hr size=0>quote:<p> The play is not even close to being real and random as all the research I have done beforehand states.<hr size=0>​
    Okay, put your money where your mouth is. Let's see the research. Feel free to post it or the links for it here. Afterwards, we'll compare it to findings by the Wizard of Odds (Michael Shackelford, actuary and Professor of Mathematics), and numerous others.

    In my own experience, I generally do much better at online casinos than brick and mortar, but that's speaking for myself.

    <hr size=0>quote:<p>These casinos are basically unreachable by any court to people in the USA even though it is illegal in the USA<hr size=0>​
    False. This apply to casinos registered in Costa Rica, but many are registered in Europe and run by companies that fall under European law. There are a number of online casinos that are directly connected in essence to land based casinos. They would no way in any shape or form jeopordize their landbased license with a "cheating software" license.

    It is NOT illegal in the US to gamble online; this is only applied to a few states...not the majority. Lest we forget, the US does not dominate the Internet. Please steer away from these ethnocentric assumptions. About 50% of the visitors here are from places other than the US, mostly Europe.

    Finally, before some of the oldtimers chime in...please do your homework. Most of your claims seem to be kneejerk reactions spurned from hearsay.
     
  5. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Bedunk, did you register at my FairCasinos forum a couple of weeks ago (how did you find my site)? Which was the first casino you joined? I think you are safe with Microgaming Casinos if you play blackjack. It's always possible the online casinos cheat in some way but it won't be as obvious as you say as it could be easily found out. Roulette has a good casino advantage so the casino doesn't have to worry too much about winners because it takes little action for them to ensure a profit overall. If the casino is greedy they could rig it but it's unlikely that the major software providers do that.

    I probably don't need to say this but it is always slightly more likely that you'll lose a certain amount than you'll win the same amount, playing the same way. Therefore if you are up quite a lot then you are just as likely to lose it all at an even higher rate with the same action. Of course, you could as likely double the winnings but that is the nature of gambling.
     
  6. hip_hop

    hip_hop Dormant account

    You mention that you kept enough to break even. If you break even at roulette you are ahead of the game. It might even be argued that the casino was cheating FOR you.

    Hip Hop
     
  7. bedunk

    bedunk Dormant account

    I don't beleive any of you can say you are actually winners...You are addicted to online gambling and therefore your judgement is very skewed....If your judgement isn't skewed then most likely you are connected to the online casinos yourselves....Out of all the software platforms I tried, Microgaming was definitely the most unfair of all...We have no way of knowing you or your connections...Even Europe at some time will ban online casinos as well and when that happens watch out...The casinos won't let you win a game...If you truly believe they aren't all fixed, then you are just fooling yourselves..Maybe if you look at your bank accounts and crawl out of denial, deep down you will know its true...And anyone advocating online gambling as honest or good form of entertainment should take a look at themselves as well...When the bonuses are gone so will the customers be gone..They figure they are screwing you so they take a small screwing to keep you hooked....Wake up and smell the toast burning...Get off your high horse as well...Its really just total ignorance on your part....or just stupidity
     
  8. rainman

    rainman Dormant account

    major software providers rig their blackjack since the player could cream them with correct basic strategy.They wait till the wr are up on the bonus. Very slick ,very deceptive.THis is a repeating pattern and I would love michael to test this at say intercasino. He needs to play after the wr though. Then again if the casino knows who he is they may just keep the game fair to insure he doesn't blacklist em.
     
  9. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    bedunk, have you played riverbelle casino with the $250 match bonus?
     
  10. bedunk

    bedunk Dormant account

    To the casinomeister,

    You having admitted being a consultant to these online gaming companies makes you ineligible to defend or not defend them...In fact, common sense tells me not to trust a word you say....People here are pretty gullible if they do....Online casinos have made millions of dollars with small investments..They have plenty of money to cover the internet with advertising making them look good in the public eye...There very well may be a handful of honest ones but that is very small..Companies like this can disappear in a flash need be something goes against them...Their money is in offshore accounts not even reachable by European courts...I have read that one of the gaming oversight groups was found to be bogus..It is very possible they all are fronts for the large casinos online perpetuating lie after lie..Or maybe they just follow up below 5% of claims they receive...None of us has any proof of what they do...The internet is or any print form is not fact just because it is written and disseminated to the public...From what I have read, the only way to beat the casinos is by collecting the bonuses offered and cheating the casinos...Do you actually think they are stupid..
    All the complaints I have read about ruthless casinos prove that as a whole the industry is full of corrupt and dishonest people trying to make the quick buck....If you can't see this, then you are blinded or as corrupt as they are...
     
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Bedunk,

    My patience is very thin right now, and I will not invest the time to deal with your knee jerk postings.

    I've been involved in this industry for a number of years, longer than most people. Believe me, I know the crooks, and I know the legitimate ones. Like said before, do your homework. Your mindless spewings are an irritant.

    Unless you want to participate in a mindfull conversation, go play somewhere else. I don't have time to deal with this bs.
     
  12. bedunk

    bedunk Dormant account

    You can ban me off your site and that's fine...It will only show that being attacked with the obvious you fold like a deck of cards....You can say I am just reacting to some short time thing but you don't have any other argument to prove the casinos are on the level except what is told to you by the casinos themselves and probably some phony oversight group not run by any government agency...I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying that I am sure some may be honest in their dealings but a majority are not and that can be seen just by what you post on your website..If just under 10% are dishonest that not acceptable...Find me one industry in the world where 10% of the industry is dishonest and is still operating today...Theres a challenge you won't be able to come back with....Why the mask, what do you have to hide?....This should tell us something also....
     
  13. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    Oh my! Did we forget our meds today, bedunk?
     
  14. caps

    caps Dormant account

    bedunk-

    I presume that some of these operations, and possibly a relatively large percentage of them, do not play entirely fair. I don't care. I am extremely careful about where I play -- using information acquired here and at other places -- and I am, in the aggregate, rather nicely ahead. I am reasonably confident that I have been given a fair game at the places I play most. I stay away from the places that seem most likely to cheat. In terms of payment, I have never not been immediately paid the full amount owed to me by any casino I've played.

    With this as my background, speak to me. What's your point? How, precisely, am I being screwed? Please, lend me the benefit of your incredible clarity of vision, and help me out of this pit of fraud and deception into which, with your help, I can now see that I've fallen. Please help me.

    Or maybe you're just a punk who likes to stir things up. Is that it?
     
  15. linda7

    linda7 Quit Gambling

    Bedunk:
    I will take you up on your challenge. Want to know an industry that has only 10% HONESTY and still in operation? The US Government.

    Bedunk, my thought as to why you started this thread can only be for one or two reasons. Either you blew through your lifesavings, or a family member did. Other than that, I cannot see any reason for you to keep coming here, insulting all of us and recanting your distrust of online casinos. No one makes any of us do anything we do not choose to do. No one will make you gamble online (unless you have a serious addiction, in which case there are many places that can help you). In any event, please stop annoying everyone on this forum. You could never tell us anything we do not already know. What intrigues me the most is the name you chose to give this thread. Since you have gambled online, I guess that makes you nuts as well.

    Have a Happy Holiday Season and try to stop spewing hatred....it will do your heart a world of good.
     
  16. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    Debunk said:...In fact, common sense tells me not to trust a word you say....People here are pretty gullible if they do.

    Actually the buiness model of this site means there is more info regarding shit casinos than blurb about the advertisers .

    I can honestly hold my hands up and say i do believe a word or three about some of the antics casinos get up to he reports on.

    Gullible is good though..

    I personally think all posts are welcome- good or bad so welcome Debug and happy xmas.

    Do try not to wind the boss up too much eh? Happy xmas.
     
  17. bedunk

    bedunk Dormant account

    You people are getting upset over nothing..I must have hit a nerve....As far as Linda, you are just a too ignorant to even respond to...
     
  18. bradleyt

    bradleyt Dormant account

    So far so good. I'll take a 50% return any day of the week.

    Date Casino Deposit Bonus Gross Cashout Net
    12/14/2003 PlanetLuck 100 100 200 0 -100
    12/19/2003 Crocksfords 150 150 300 500 350
    12/20/2003 StarLuck 100 100 200 0 -100
    12/21/2003 Pink Lady 50 60 110 75 25
    12/22/2003 Commodore 200 200 400 173 -27
    12/24/2003 Intercasino 80 80 160 175 95
    12/24/2003 NewYorkCasino 100 100 200 160 60

    Total $780.00 $790.00 $1,570.00 $1,083.00 $303.00
     
  19. caps

    caps Dormant account

    Well, you elicited a few responses, which I suspect is all you really wanted in the first place.

    No nerve hit here. One cannot possibly be more jaded and wary about this little sub-world than I am. My response was instead prompted by the arrogance of your messages, which seem to presume that everyone who plays in this arena must be blinded by naivete and/or addiction. I sure ain't, and, as I said, my net cash flow has been nicely positive -- so if these crooks and frauds (which they may be) have me as their target (which they might), they're doing a poor job. Let 'em keep duping me.

    I suspect that I speak for the community here when I politely (or maybe not so politely ) suggest that you go forth and impose your protective services upon some folks who might actually need them.
     
  20. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    A pity this forum does not have a poster profile facility as I would like to see when bedunk (or should that be debunk?) signed up before suddenly commencing posts in an arrogant and aggressive style that reeks of a hidden motive. Maybe he/she is leading us toward an important disclosure like a new "beat the casino" system!

    And in the season of goodwill at that...

    He or she clearly knows little about the industry but is maybe trying to break into it.

    He/she is right about one thing - there are too many dishonest and generally fraudulent operators and players, but that does not change the fact that for those who know how to research properly there are plenty of sound and fair operations.

    Don't lose your cool, Bryan - this person is obviously and deliberately trying to wind you up.
     

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