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Anyone heard of Royal Dutch Casino

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by jpm, Apr 25, 2004.

    Apr 25, 2004
  1. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Got an email from them recently and I can't find any info about their software provider, and it doesn't look like any that I recognize. Anyone know anything about them? They've got some attractive sounding bonuses.
     
  2. Apr 25, 2004
  3. jyde

    jyde Dormant account

    What's the address?
     
  4. Apr 25, 2004
  5. Jblack

    Jblack Dormant account

    Location:
    us
    I played there last week

    I played there last week. used there 400% bonus when blackjack was NOT excluded on there terms. Waiting for a cashout for a whole $142. Cashed out 8 days ago. They required documents that delayed it a bit. Will update if/when they pay
     
  6. Apr 25, 2004
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Red Flag #1
    Royal Dutch Casino is a fully licensed Online Casino, regulated by the government of Costa Rica. Royal Dutch Casino high level of security and integrity have earned us with the trust and loyalty of our clients.

    Red Flag #2
    No mention of the software provider anywhere on the site.

    Red Flag #3
    Do a google search on the toll free support number - nothing but spam postings in gambling forums

    Red Flag #4
    Registrant: JJ Dynamics S.A.
    Who are these guys? Google turns up nothing.

    So, if you run into problems, getting assistance may be a tiresome ordeal. Who ya going to turn to? :D
     
  8. Apr 25, 2004
  9. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    The spelling on the home page also isn't entirely reassuring!

    'Terms and contiditions' :eek2:
     
  10. Apr 25, 2004
  11. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

     
  12. Apr 25, 2004
  13. jyde

    jyde Dormant account

    I tried that address earlier - it didn't work then. Software is rigged IQ Ludorum. They used to be big - now IQ-L don't have many licensees left. And they (the software provider collecting royalties and licensing fees) don't give a shit if the casino screws you. A good friend of mine had $4K stolen from Dice of Fire - another fly-by IQ-L casino. Don't even think IQ-L bothered answer him when he asked for their help.

    As for randomness - well another guy I know once lost/pushed 197 hands of BJ in a row at Globalwager (yes - "powered" by IQ-L). Not a single win. I still have his logs. He was playing with a bonus and could withdraw his deposit anytime, so when he just kept losing he lowered his bet and continued to play until he thought he had played 200 hands without a win, then cashed out his deposit. A recount showed his streak had only been 197 hands :p

    As a friend of mine expressed it:

     
  14. Apr 25, 2004
  15. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    He seems to be off by a factor of 1000, not that this really makes a difference. :) This is solid proof of rigged software.
     
  16. Apr 26, 2004
  17. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    :rolleyes:

    Yep, i visit their live-chat... and help this casino. Maybe they correct that "Terms and contiditions" to "Terms and conditions" (home page > bottom)... After they correct their software ;)
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2004
  18. Apr 26, 2004
  19. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Thanks Jyde, it looked like it was too good to be true. Who gives a 400% CASHABLE signup bonus up to $1000, and then a 500% CASHABLE bonus on your first monday deposit. Sure smelled suspicious to me.

    Trying to look them up in whois was an adventure as well. It wouldn't show up in regular whois lookups at internic, or network solutions. Had to use nslookup to figure out where they were hosted. Then I see they registered through godaddy.com, one of the cheapest places you can register a domain. That doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either (not that the rest of the red flags do).
     
  20. Apr 26, 2004
  21. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    I copy that "slogan" from Royal Dutch: ...Our online casino offers the highest casino bonuses and the highest jackpots in the online gambling...

    I use google with "Our online casino offers the highest casino bonuses and the highest jackpots in the online gambling", and found this site:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    From Royal Dutch:
    "Our online casino offers the highest casino bonuses and the highest jackpots in the online gambling industry."

    From Casino Business Club:
    "Our online casino offers the highest casino bonuses and the highest jackpots in the online gambling industrie."

    Industry - Industrie (difference)

    BUT

    Casino Business Club and City Club Casino :what:

    Casino Business Club = casinoclub.exe
    City Club Casino = SetupCasino.exe

    This is off-topic ...little
    But maybe someone can explain this City Club Casino and Casino Business Club-thing. Same Casino? Weird.

    I know that many casino use many addresses, like Casino On Net... they have You must register/login in order to see the link. , You must register/login in order to see the link. , You must register/login in order to see the link. , You must register/login in order to see the link. , You must register/login in order to see the link. and many many more
     
  22. Apr 26, 2004
  23. Jblack

    Jblack Dormant account

    Location:
    us
    -

    I had some horrible losing streaks. I tried to do a copy and paste. The software wouldnt let me do it. Best I could do was a screen shot. Worst experience ever playing blackjack. I got brave in the end and said f-it and did a few large bets and cashed out.

    What do you experts think? went downhill as soon as I topped $300
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2004
  24. Apr 26, 2004
  25. jyde

    jyde Dormant account

    Well - we warned you. Didn't we?
     
  26. Apr 26, 2004
  27. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    Off-topic continue:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    do you get that pop-up?
    Ok, whatever you answer, i press in You must register/login in order to see the link. , and "Casino newsletter" (bottom), and get this:
    "Database connection error. Please inform the You must register/login in order to see the link."
    (You must register/login in order to see the link.).
    Then i go to that You must register/login in order to see the link. and :eek2:
    same pop-up.

    (same error message: You must register/login in order to see the link.)

    And Both site:
    Business Club:
    ----------
    "For general feedback, please send an email to our Customer Support Manager at: This email is not visible to you..

    To contact us by regular mail, you may always use this address:

    c/o Customer Support Manager
    Club Casino Ltd.
    P.O Box W1022
    Woods Mall, Woods Center
    St John's, Antigua, W.I

    Financial transactions are done through 1ATM Cyber Processing, Nicosia, Cyprus."
    ----------
    City Club:
    ----------
    For general feedback, please send an email to our Customer Support Manager at: This email is not visible to you..

    To contact us by regular mail, you may always use this address:

    c/o Customer Support Manager
    Imperial e-club Limited
    P.O Box W1022
    Woods Mall, Woods Center
    St John's, Antigua, W.I

    Financial transactions are done through Interpay processing limited.
    ---------

    Oh i forgot my point... Are they same casino?
    (and why casino use this kind of pop-up in main site?)
    :)
     
  28. Apr 26, 2004
  29. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    Btw, you find invisible-links to some RTG-casino in
    You must register/login in order to see the link. (black area, invisible, bottom)

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    (You must register/login in order to see the link.)

    :rolleyes:

    Sorry about these off-topics... i like to explore sometimes :)
     
  30. Apr 26, 2004
  31. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    How did you get City Club mixed up with this group Sodax? City Club is Playtech based and, in my opinion, a good one too. Hit some royals there on VP and got paid promptly.

    This casinobusinessclub.com website looks like an affiliate that ripped off City Club's website and blanked out the word City. CathedralOnline is similar, it looks like a new casino, but it is apparently just an affiliate link to a Playtech casino (I forget which one).
     
  32. Apr 26, 2004
  33. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    1.Because site, logo, information, support number, everything. And i just asking, not mixed up... and i like to explore (and maybe learn something) ;)
    2.Yes, i know.
    3.And i like City Club Casino too.

    And my question: are they same casino? I think you answer:

    Ok, this is like 777casino777 case, but totally different aspect. I think.
    Affiliate, affiliate, affiliate.... :rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2004
  34. May 24, 2004
  35. trick

    trick Dormant account

    The bonusses sound too good to be true...

    JBlack: Have you been payed yet?

    I have chatted with them today - actually before I spotted these postings:

    Please wait for a site operator to respond.
    You are now chatting with 'Stevo'
    Stevo: Welcome to Customer Service, how may I help you ?
    you: I was wondering aht software your casino is using?
    you: aht=What
    Stevo: iq ludorum
    you: hmmm... Do you know that a player has been documented to loose 197 hands of blackjack in a row on that software?
    Stevo: no i have not seen that "report" i would love to if you have it
    Stevo: the softwae is idependantly auditted, the company is canadian and has been around for many years, the software is legit
    you: anyways.. that was all my questions...
    you: ok... I'll look around your site a bit
    Stevo: dont see you asking any
    Stevo: just telling me what my software is
    Stevo: signup and go play the java version for fun no download
    you: erh... that was all i wanted to know... what software you were using...
    Stevo: then you can come to your own conclussions
    you: one more thing then... are you really offering a 400% bonus on deposits up to 1000$
    Stevo: yes we are
    Stevo: read rules carfully there are restictions
    Stevo: let me push you the rules page
    you: ok
    Stevo: 1 sec here let me get it
    Stevo: You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Stevo: those are all our current promo
    Stevo: today we offer a 500% but max deposit is much less thatn $1000
    you: Im a bit confused by the rules...
    you: "Unless stated otherwise all bonuses are sticky bonuses meaning that the bonus itself may not be withdrawn at any time"
    you: and
    you: "Bonus are 100% Cashable when play through has been met up to a maximum cash out of 15X the deposit"
    you: is on the same page.. is the bonus cashable or not?
    Stevo: ]the 400% bonus is fully cashabel yes
    you: after 25x deposit and bonus, I can withdraw the full amount in my account?
    Stevo: the 400 % has a max cash out
    Stevo: You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Stevo: scroll all way down and yu will see the rules for the 400%
    you: yes..
    Stevo: max cash out 15x deposit amount
    Stevo: so if you send in $1000 and you win you can cash out max of $25000
    Stevo: 15000
    Stevo: sorry
    you: and even if the 4000 of the 15000 is the bonus I got, I will be able to cash it out?
    Stevo: yes that is correct
    you: ok.. thanks.... No further questions :)
    Stevo: excelnet
    Stevo: feel free to chat back if you have any other
    you: I will.. bye

    ------

    So with this log on my harddisk, I should be able to safely claim my 4000$ bonus
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2004
  36. May 24, 2004
  37. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Don't be too certain of that. Management can always come back and say that the CSR was mistaken and refuse to honor it. Think it over a good long time before you decide to sink a grand into this experiment, unless that's not alot of money to you (it would be to me, but may not be to others). I'd hate to see you end up trying to cashin $3500 only to find out that $4k is sticky and you are out $1000.
     
  38. May 25, 2004
  39. DOHC

    DOHC Dormant account

    Location:
    Right here
    I think they are ok, I know because I asked them the same questions over and over, and I did try them for $100 (sorry, I know it's not the same amount you wanted to deposit so I don't know if they will actually give you 4k but in their promo page it says deposits from $20 to $1000) they gave me my $400 bonus and I'm still trying to meet the wagering requirement hehe, this is a copy of the conversation I had with one of their reps:

    Please wait for a site operator to respond.
    You are now chatting with 'Kim'
    Kim: Welcome to Customer Service, how may I help you ?
    you: Hello
    you: I received an e-mail offering me a 400% bonus
    you: promo code RD4HP
    you: I got a couple of questions
    Kim: Sure, go ahead
    you: I was checking your promo page
    you: It says
    you: 25 times rollover, is that correct?
    Kim: Yes, it is correct
    you: ok
    you: there's another thing that got me confused
    you: Your rules state that all bonuses are sticky
    you: Yet, the e-mail I received said the bonus is cashable
    Kim: Actually this is what's stated in the promotion rules page:
    Kim: "Unless stated otherwise all bonuses are sticky bonuses"
    Kim: in this case we are stating that the bonus is cashable, right on top of the page
    Kim: You need to click where it says "Click here to view the playthrough requirements"
    Kim: It will show you the information regarding this bonus
    you: Yeah I'm on the page righ now
    you: But I can't find it
    Kim: It's below the Promotion Banners in blue letters
    you: I see it
    you: just a sec
    you: Ok yes, it says total bonus is cashable, max cashout is 15 times my deposit?
    you: is this all correct?
    Kim: Yes it is
    you: If I deposit $100, will I get $400 extra?
    Kim: You can deposit up to a maximum of $1000 to get the bonus
    you: Cool
    you: If I deposit right now, how long will it take to be in my account?
    Kim: It should not take more than two minutes
    you: Can you hold on just one sec? I will transfer from my neteller account
    Kim: Sure, no problem
    you: done
    Kim: May I have your account number please?
    you: Rxxxxxx
    Kim: Please hold one moment
    you: ok
    Kim: Your bonus has been credited please log into your account
    you: that's great, thnx so much
    you: have a nice day
    Kim: You're welcome
    Kim: You too
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 25, 2004

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