Any suggestions for a new Slotocash (RTG) player?

[ChopleyIOM]

Only logical reason is the game designers didn't have a cap in mind when they designed the slots and the paytable (and since the slots were NOT designed for a cap, Chopley's question about the RTP is totally legit and needs to be answered).

Well that very much leads onto my next question, have RTG slots always had the 50,000x line bet win cap in place or not?

If they have, then I suppose it's conceivable that they were designed with the cap accounted for in the RTP (although that would still be an insane design choice for a slot like Count Spectacular, whereby five full wilds would blow the cap out of the water, so why design a slot with five wild reels if the maximum pays on it are auto-capped, at the very least that's just a recipe for pissing off your players should they ever hit it).

If the 50,000x line bet win cap was added after the slots were released, then I'm definitely leaning towards calling shenanigans.

Either way it's not something I'm comfortable with as a player, I have to say. (I certainly wouldn't have deposited at Slotocash if I'd have been aware of this 'rule' before I started playing.)

 

[Tirilej]

Well that very much leads onto my next question, have RTG slots always had the 50,000x line bet win cap in place or not?

If they have, then I suppose it's conceivable that they were designed with the cap accounted for in the RTP (although that would still be an insane design choice for a slot like Count Spectacular, whereby five full wilds would blow the cap out of the water, so why design a slot with five wild reels if the maximum pays on it are auto-capped, at the very least that's just a recipe for pissing off your players should they ever hit it).

If the 50,000x line bet win cap was added after the slots were released, then I'm definitely leaning towards calling shenanigans.

Either way it's not something I'm comfortable with as a player, I have to say. (I certainly wouldn't deposited at Slotocash if I'd have been aware of this 'rule' before I started playing.)

I havn't found what I'm looking for yet but I'm still searching.
One thing to have in mind is that all 25 liners came out very late. It's on them where it's possible to really hit those enormous winnings, because of the wilds in free spins, and the games that has expanding wilds in normal also.

So I must say that I believe that the cap have been there the whole time, at least since they reliesed those games.

 

[KasinoKing]

Well that very much leads onto my next question, have RTG slots always had the 50,000x line bet win cap in place or not?

Yes it has always been there AFAIK.
In fact, it used to be bet x 40,000 (and still may be on some slots?) - but as I recall they increased it when they started producing mainly only 25-line slots in 2009.

Had to go and check this: The x50,000 cap DOES also apply on their 50 and 88 line slots - so on them it is even more "unfair" to the players than on the 20 and 25-liners...

KK

 

[secret2]

I have played RTG for many years and didn't know about Fruit Frenzy (Low variance) and to reduce your lines can be a great pay off ...so this was an eye opener ..thanks to this crowd.

..but here is a question, while we're at it:

At Inetbet, in their tournaments, today and have had in the past, 'Gold Beard' and it's set at $500 playstart with 10 minutes to play this. Is this also a slot such as Fruit Frenzy ? AND which other games are like this?

 

[Tirilej]

I finally found it and I was wrong. Here is the link to the thread and the post I was thinking of.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/feature-guarantees-rtg-how-long-do-you-spin.45189/

 

[KasinoKing]

At Inetbet, in their tournaments, today and have had in the past, 'Gold Beard' and it's set at $500 playstart with 10 minutes to play this. Is this also a slot such as Fruit Frenzy ? AND which other games are like this?

I admit I don't play RTG much, but I'm 99.99% sure there are no other RTG slots which work the same way as Fruit Frenzy.

Don't forget, there is no RTP advantage in playing Fruit Frenzy with less lines - all that does is increase the variance, which you can also do by reducing the number of win-lines on just about every other slot on the net.

KK

 

[chayton]

I admit I don't play RTG much, but I'm 99.99% sure there are no other RTG slots which work the same way as Fruit Frenzy.

Don't forget, there is no RTP advantage in playing Fruit Frenzy with less lines - all that does is increase the variance, which you can also do by reducing the number of win-lines on just about every other slot on the net.

KK

The advantage is that if you have a limited bankroll you can bet less lines with a higher line bet, which can really pay off if you manage to get the feature because the free spins pay on all 25 lines. With most other games if you hit the feature betting 5 lines it only pays on 5 lines during the free spins too. And the chances of retriggering are better than getting the feature in the first place since once you hit it, you've got all the lines covered.

Play all 25 lines at 10 cents a line or play 5 lines at 50 cents a line, the bet size is the same - you're increasing the game variance but if you can manage to hit the feature there's a (potentially) huge difference in payout.

 

[Balthazar]

The advantage is that if you have a limited bankroll you can bet less lines with a higher line bet, which can really pay off if you manage to get the feature because the free spins pay on all 25 lines. With most other games if you hit the feature betting 5 lines it only pays on 5 lines during the free spins too. And the chances of retriggering are better than getting the feature in the first place since once you hit it, you've got all the lines covered.

Play all 25 lines at 10 cents a line or play 5 lines at 50 cents a line, the bet size is the same - you're increasing the game variance but if you can manage to hit the feature there's a (potentially) huge difference in payout.

But since you need 5x the same symbol on a line to get the feature, and you're playing only 5 lines instead of 25, you're 5 times less likely to hit the feature.

The 2 advantages that you get for betting on fewer lines are:
- your chances of retriggering the FS are the same as someone who'd play 25 lines.
- the "50,000x line bet" cap is obviously higher.

So if you don't retrigger during the free spins nor you hit max payout, it really just become a higher variance slot.

 

[KasinoKing]

The advantage is that if you have a limited bankroll you can bet less lines with a higher line bet, which can really pay off if you manage to get the feature because the free spins pay on all 25 lines. With most other games if you hit the feature betting 5 lines it only pays on 5 lines during the free spins too. And the chances of retriggering are better than getting the feature in the first place since once you hit it, you've got all the lines covered.

Play all 25 lines at 10 cents a line or play 5 lines at 50 cents a line, the bet size is the same - you're increasing the game variance but if you can manage to hit the feature there's a (potentially) huge difference in payout.

Sorry, but like I said, that "advantage" is not peculiar to Fruit Frenzy - you can increase the variance on virtually all slots by reducing the number of bet-lines.
Or you could just go play a higher variance slot in the first place!

The reason some people get a bit confused over this particular slot, is that they forget the feature is NOT triggered by scatters like most other slots, but by getting a 5-of-a-kind on a PAID win-line.

KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I finally found it and I was wrong. Here is the link to the thread and the post I was thinking of.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/feature-guarantees-rtg-how-long-do-you-spin.45189/

Thanks for digging that out Tirilej, I see this debate is not a new one

I tend to agree with what KK said in that thread, it still doesn't make any sense as a design decision, and will just annoy players for the sake of 'saving' 0.1% off the RTP or whatever, which apparently they compensated for on the reels anyway.

 

[Tirilej]

Thanks for digging that out Tirilej, I see this debate is not a new one

I tend to agree with what KK said in that thread, it still doesn't make any sense as a design decision, and will just annoy players for the sake of 'saving' 0.1% off the RTP or whatever, which apparently they compensated for on the reels anyway.

The same questions always return. When it comes to RTG I always try to read DogBoys old posts. They can tell a lot

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Good luck! Will we be able to see this also?

Here you go

 

[Balthazar]

Here you go

****Spoiler do not read unless you've watched all 75 minutes of the video****

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You've got 300 free spins at x5 (= €5/spin) so €1500 worth of spins. You ended up with a little over €1300. Now €200 was the triggering win so €1100 win for €1500 (75% RTP). This isn't too bad for FS.

I didn't understand why you thought that the €2000 cap should be in the bag when you triggered your first €500 worth of spins?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

****Spoiler do not read unless you've watched all 75 minutes of the video****

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You've got 300 free spins at x5 (= €5/spin) so €1500 worth of spins. You ended up with a little over €1300. Now €200 was the triggering win so €1100 win for €1500 (75% RTP). This isn't too bad for FS.

I didn't understand why you thought that the €2000 cap should be in the bag when you triggered your first €500 worth of spins?

Spoiler

Not sure really, I just felt that 300 spins at 5x pay should go very big I'm not sure how rare a 5-scatters trigger is on that slot but I'd have thought it was pretty rare. TBH I was initially thinking that the 100 spins would do the job!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Here's Part 2 of my encounter with RTG.