Angel Casino - any knowledge about them ???

[Casinomeister]

Rogue Pit

vinylweatherman, you are an idiot.
...

You've just been fast tracked to the rogue pit.

No casino operator or rep would dare call anyone an idiot in this forum - especially a member with a standing such as Vinylweatherman.

I would also suspend you account for x number of days, but I'd like you to answer my question about your TST certificate.

 

[mysticjoz]

vinylweatherman, you are an idiot.

no connections with 888, luckyacecasino ...


We are a stand alone serious operation.

mysticjoz, i have sent you a PM. Your deposit was not received by the casino. And why heavent you send an email if there was a payment problem??
Give me epay batch number, and i'l try to found out what went wrong.

Really??!! WHY HAVENT I SENT AN EMAIL IF THERE WAS A PAYMENT PROBLEM This was sent TO YOU VIA PM on July 16th..
hi flamingo can you help?

hi flamingo
I did enjoy being able to cashout at the casino.. but the big problem is,, i have no way of moving the 30 from there to anywhere else!! no place else accepts that "Epay" company and I DO mean NO ONE!
I even went to redeposit the 30 back there to either lose or build high enough to get it to my bank (yeah right) BUT YOUR MINIMUM is 30 AND THEY CHARGE A FEE to send it to you.
Any way you can possibly get the fee paid?
Almost Every single online player from the US uses Quicktender. I thought Epay would transfer to them.
So how do i get to the 30 dollars that I won.
and cant even get back to you to play?
thanks
joanne aka mysticjoz acct xxxxxxxx

your reply on on the 17th
Re: hi flamingo can you help?

Hey mysticjoz,
Thanks for playing .

Our market is not the US at the moment, that is why it is so complicated to cashout, Moneybookers is the best solution in the EU,UK,Austarlia, New Zealend, most trusted, and that is why we use it.
Well i dont know what to say.
You can deposit to a casino again that is not a problem, i think thay will charge $1 or $2 for that transfer.
About the cashout, the idea with epay is to pay onetime fee of around $40, get a debit card, and then you can cashout epay instantly, but the is only if you are going to use epay over and over again, it is not ment for a single payout of $30.
You can cashout to e-gold from epay, if you are using it.

I responded to you on the 17th..
Re: hi flamingo can you help?

hi flamingo,
unfortunately no place else accepts epay or egold. I am willing to redeposit the 30 at ministering angel but could you pay the fee?
If not thats ok. I guess. But I dont' think alot of ppl will be thrilled with the inability to withdraw anything under 300 .. especially to w/d to a service where they can not access or remove the w/d.
i can send you a link to q/t and you can set up with them. everyone out here wd and deposits thru qt. but then i have to figure out how to get it from epay to qt.
still frustrated. i already have 2 reloadable debit cards and I did not pay more that 5 for either one, 35 dollars is outrageous. AND very inconvenient since it is a Virtual card. a 5 dollar fee for a virtual card i could understand, but 35! that is _______ ,
hope to hear back as to how this can be resolved. I know you can get alot more us customers if the payment processor is quicktender.
thanks for getting back to me
joanne aka mysticjoz

YOU DID NOT RESPOND TO THAT LAST PM UNTIL NOW.. AND ONLY BECAUSE YOU MISREAD MY POST THINKING I TRIED TO DEPOSIT TO YOUR CASINO...(NO, NO REPLY NO DEPOSIT.. I TRIED TO DEPOSIT LIKE I SAID AT ONE OF MY TRUSTED CASINO'S...)
AND HOW CAN YOU SAY I DID NOT CONTACT YOU??
THE PROOF IS ABOVE.. OH AND I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT FLAMING MEISTER MEMBERS. .. NO CASINO REP OR MANAGER WOULD ACT THAT WAY. VM, JINNIA, LOTSO AND JETSET ARE LONGTIME FRIENDS AND MEMBERS. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO WORD YOUR FRUSTRATIONS. (OR SHOULD I SAY YOUR TRYING TO DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR ACTIONS.)
BUT... DO NOT TRY TO IMPLY THAT I AM A LIAR AND DID NOT CONTACT YOU TO TRY TO RESOLVE YOUR "EWALLET" ISSSUE ... THE PROOF IS ABOVE! YOU ONLY SENT ME A PM TODAY BECAUSE YOU READ MY POST.

 

[mysticjoz]

Sorry for the double post all.. but I did want to show you all the PM I received today from "flamingo" (since I posted all the others)

this is the one that "flamigo" sent when he/she misread my post about emailing a payment to a casino I trust from his "epayarea" ewallet.. remember it was 3 days since I last heard from flamingo.. the last was try egold...

Re: hi flamingo can you help?
Hey mysticjoz,
I just read that you made a deposit to ministering angel and did not receive it in the casino.
Please give me the batch number, as the casino did not receive that payment.
Give me the batch number of the transaction and i will check with the Epay what is wrong

Why on earth would I deposit to this place that I can not get my first payment won a the free chip from??!! I guess he thought it sounded good to non informed members..

Oh and why all of a sudden are you willing to inquire with "epay" but you would NOT do that before?

 

[flamingo]

Software is not shaddy, we'v invested a lot of time and money into it, and it is getting better and better every single day, an important update will follow within 20-30days.

Yes, the certificate is VALID, go and check for yourself, www.ministeringangel.com. That screenshot is created by yourself probably.

Casinomeister, that guy of yours is ruining our business, he is saying thing that are not truth, and are serious accusations. The things he said are not for a joke.

And Casinomeister, on one would dare to call him ***, isnt that a threat to us all ?? So what, you and your staff can talk about us what the hell you want, but we cant say anything because you are the boss ?? interesting.

Sorry mysticjoz, i tought you deposited $30 back to our casino not to someone elses casino.
We did cashed in and cashed out all the deposits/winnings.

Casinomeister, you will get TST within 10-14days, it's summer, i am on vacation, and the girls are off the hook this time of year You should come, i'd love to have you as a guest for a day or two..

And epayarea has excelent withdraw options, yes you need to pay $39 for a an epay debit card, but then you can instantly withdraw from a casino to epay and then pick it up on ATM, come on, no other casino has this cashout option, and fast, you got to be kidding me ??


About the Serb. "hackers", we have some people there working on a casino, and thay have their own Security Company, thay work for local bank's, Jesus Christ, thay are the best in Security issues. Our casino is a reputable one, has been paying it's customers and will continue to do so.
We have a very good amount of returning players, and we have great communication with them, thay are all satistfied.

 

[flamingo]

mysticjoz, I AM ON VACATION, I AM NOT READING ALL THESE MESSAGES.

YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE EMAIL ON OUR WEBSITE, THE APROPRIATE PERSON FOR THAT.
YOU DO NOT WRITE TO PM HERE, I WILL READ IT ONCE A WEEK.

 

[uungy]

Yes, the certificate is VALID, go and check for yourself, www.ministeringangel.com. That screenshot is created by yourself probably.

OK, this is the pits!

You are now saying I have made that? HUH?

The original seal which showed invalid went to

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

now it goes to

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

So all you have done is temporarily registered or changed something there.

As usual Google cache comes to the rescue and shows if I made it up or you are covering your backs

check it out here

Outdated URL (Invalid)

wait till it loads, and the old seal is INVALID

 

[flamingo]

Mysticjoz, i dont understan you again, you tried to deposit to one of your trusted casinos ?? and you did not get credits at that casino ?

haha

That how trusted your casino is


Ministering Angel rules, and you are too shy and jelous to admit it.

 

[flamingo]

of course it is invalid on the address :
Outdated URL (Invalid)



The seal has to come from address ministeringangel.com and only then it will be VALID.

No other URL can put seal. That is why Seal exist.

 

[mysticjoz]

mysticjoz, I AM ON VACATION, I AM NOT READING ALL THESE MESSAGES.

YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE EMAIL ON OUR WEBSITE, THE APROPRIATE PERSON FOR THAT.
YOU DO NOT WRITE TO PM HERE, I WILL READ IT ONCE A WEEK.

Flamingo IMHO... you reply to what you want to .. when you want to.

you say to CM

And epayarea has excelent withdraw options, yes you need to pay $39 for a an epay debit card, but then you can instantly withdraw from a casino to epay and then pick it up on ATM, come on, no other casino has this cashout option, and fast, you got to be kidding me ??

No.. we are not kidding you. like I said before and I will repeat myself AGAIN.
NO PLACE accepts epayarea except your casino! I have also said I already own 2 reloadable cards and I paid $5 for one and $9.95 for the other!
A fee of $39 is outrageous! Especially for a "virtual card" and you CAN NOT withdraw from an ATM with a "virtual card".

You are correct about ONE thing... NO OTHER CASINO HAS THIS CASHOUT OPTION. ... no they don't, nor do they accept this option for deposits.
I refuse to pay them one red cent over 5 dollars for a virtual card.. oh wait, that's right. there is only 97 cents left there.. the other $29.03 is out in cyberspace somewhere because it is not where I sent the "email payment to".. no other ewallet offers that service either. to lose your payment somewhere in cyberspace with out informing the customer.
Why did I get an emaill from a "gmail" address from "epayarea.com" that told me to ignore it????

Excellent withdraw options??? not unless you have hundreds of dollars in there. which at this point, I wouldn't trust them at all.

 

[RobWin]

Flamingo, you are a true joke man ! No reputable casino rep would ever and has never acted and made off the wall comments to our forum members here like you have...and you really expect us to take you serious ?

You say you have a valid TST Certificate but then when the Meister asks to see it you say it will take 14 days...you really need to give up this charade here bro, Casinomeister members did not just fall off the turnip truck yesterday...

 

[uungy]

of course it is invalid on the address :
Outdated URL (Invalid)



The seal has to come from address ministeringangel.com and only then it will be VALID.

No other URL can put seal. That is why Seal exist.

Fair point, but you have no trust, and I think I have full trust in the community here. If I say I did not paint shop it, and you say I did, I dont think you have a chance being believed here now, after all the deciept going on.

Basically its a matter of time I imagine till they remove it, but the seal says nothing, as it says in the small print below the seal

The information provided above is not intended to guarantee any products, delivery or other services of the merchant and contained on the merchant website. It only shows that this merchant uses www.epayarea.com as one of his payment methods

 

[USA2112]

This is some of the strangest responses for a casino rep. I see a new meister pick of the year coming soon.

 

[mysticjoz]

Mysticjoz, i dont understan you again, you tried to deposit to one of your trusted casinos ?? and you did not get credits at that casino ?

haha

That how trusted your casino is


Ministering Angel rules, and you are too shy and jelous to admit it.

What the f#@% is this?? are you laughing all the way to the bank flamingo?
Do you actually research an ewallet before inviting players to use it?
You know nothing about how they operate do you? ... or maybe you do. one subject you seemed to go right over and ignore is that there are "two" ewallets with "epay"... one is epay.com

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

and YOURS is epayarea.com

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Maybe you can shed some light on the statement at the bottom of the epayarea page which says.....

EPAY Inc. is registered in Panama (No. 898161-1-514361 DV 1) and licensed by the Ministry of Finance (No. 898161-1-514361-2007-98107) to conduct financial services, e-wallet services, money transfer services, electronic payments processing, selling and funding debit cards, virtual credit cards and other related activities.

Now who would the "ministry of Finance" be?????

You are treading on a really thin line by calling accreditted casino's not trustworthy. I have always gotten money in hand from them and I can not say the same for YOU. as far as I am concerned if a US player wins at your "casino"... they withdraw to an ewallet that goes directly into your pocket! You are the untrustworthy one.. end of story.
I am glad we all found this out WITH YOUR FREE CHIP MONEY.. AND NOT A DIME OF OUR OWN.
You do not resolve player issues.. you shrug them off and call the players liars and (in so many words ) "idiots".. quite a way to treat a customer or prospective customer.
Your behaviour here just cost you about 10,000 US players. Now that is a feat to be proud of...

 

[USA2112]

Mysticjoz, i dont understan you again, you tried to deposit to one of your trusted casinos ?? and you did not get credits at that casino ?

What other casinos are you referring too?

 

[mysticjoz]

Mysticjoz, i dont understan you again, you tried to deposit to one of your trusted casinos ?? and you did not get credits at that casino ?

haha

That how trusted your casino is


Ministering Angel rules, and you are too shy and jelous to admit it.

This has to be one of the most immature responses I have seen in ages!
"haha"... "ministering angel rules"... "too shy and jealous (oh wait let me spell it like you did ..) jelous" I am beginning to wonder how old you are, 12?

Correct.. I did NOT get credits at that casino. ARE you accusing that casino of not creditting my account when they DID NOT receive the "email payment" from YOUR ewallet processor???
If so, once again you are way out of line!
shed some light on this email I recieved from your "epayarea" when I submitted for the email payment.

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Explain an ewallet company that uses a gmail account!! now that we have actual email addresses to link everything to.. and to all my good friends here who researched the information from these "emails" they dug up the facts and posted them.

I consider you busted mr. 12 year old. NO casino manager, operator or rep would reply with such immature "rubbish".. like "haha"

 

[lots0]

Casinomeister, that guy of yours is ruining our business, he is saying thing that are not truth, and are serious accusations. The things he said are not for a joke.

Hey flamingo, I don't work for the CasinoMeister(Bryan). I work for myself and the players.
I have my own website.

So just what have I said that is not true?

You didn't steal other casinos content?

You didn't use a stolen credit card to attempt to defraud The Logo Factor?

You didn't then steal the logo from The Logo Factor and use it anyway after being caught trying to use a stolen credit card to pay for it?

Your not directly associated with Hackers?

Dude... you think I am ruining your business now... just wait a few days... I haven't even got started yet.


I'm totally convinced your a crook and a hacker/spammer and I will be letting EVERYONE know what I think about you and your shady little casino.

Bryan is giving you the benefit of the doubt, waiting for your response to his question.
I am not going to do that. In my opinion you have had ample time to answer the questions put to you here and you have avoided the questions. Your casino is in my Casino Hall of Shame... As of today.

I know Bryan wants your answer to his question about your claim of TST cert... before he takes any action... I would suggest you answer him as soon as possible, I know his patience has its limits.

 

[kakata]

wasnt enough time wasted already about this ....whatever you want to call him????

 

[lots0]

wasnt enough time wasted already about this ....whatever you want to call him????

Yur right... I'm done... talking

I often call people I'm annoyed with 'Dude', it is a kind of local cowboy thing, sorry if it offened you kakata.

 

[kakata]

Yur right... I'm done... talking

I often call people I'm annoyed with 'Dude', it is a kind of local cowboy thing, sorry if it offened you kakata.

why would you have offended me????

 

[jargon]

Flamingo,

Before things get far worse I suggest you take the site offline.

Thanks

greek39

 

[jetset]

Good advice - I think Lots0's bullet points are worth reiterating as more than enough reason for suspicion regarding Ministering Angel and the clearly questionable people behind it:

QUOTE:
I think it's time for some bullets...

* Very shoddy 'home made' casino software.
* Possible virus/trojan/keylogger filled software.
* Panama registration(?)
* Claimed TST certification.... but no proof of certification.
* Ministeringangel obviously copies(steals) content from other gaming sites.
* Ministeringangel obviously stole the logo they use. After trying to pay for it with stolen credit cards and getting caught.
* The one player from here that tries this casino (on a free chip) wins a little and then has no way to cashout.
* A direct connection between the registered owner of ministeringangel and Serb hackers.

I just know I left some stuff out...
But I think it is safe to say, this is one casino you want nothing at all to do with. UNQUOTE

 

[Dominka]

This is an awesome thread.

This topic alone has more than enough for a hell of a story for The rogue of the year.

They really do deserve to be thrown into the rogue pit. Hanging by their feet.


Dome

 

[solarrocker]

I've been reading this with much interest.

Find it very strange how the issues are being dodged around some by the casino in question, if as the meister himself said, he actually is the casino rep. (Remember still not officially registered with an email address of the casino).

But from the information given by the "rep" and those gathered of the people here it seems pretty clear, at least to me, that a great game of dodge ball is being played. Now just to see when something gets hit and get sent out to the benches.

It could be a casino trying to start up with a minimum budget, beta software, but then clearly no clue how to correctly start receiving the respect from the player community. This together with evidence found by many of the people of this forum lets me to believe that the dodge ball will sent a rogue soon to the benches.

 

[lauram]

Mystic did you ever get your money? And flamingo what a way to start a new casino off. First a few of the regulars here find your new casino start up a thread. And for us great a rep from this new casino joins us in hopes to answer questions and get us on our way to play at your casino. So far all i see over and over is unanswered questions asked to you by our members. A payout that wont go through to a regular forum member. Some shady issues that you just keep avoiding the answers to. If you want customers into your new casino surely this is not the way to handle a new business. Owe up answer the forum members fix your games in your website and show us members a little integrity here as we at first had given your casino the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Casinomeister]

This whole situation sort of reminds me of the Rocco's Casino episode last year - where a casino "manager" stepped all over his crank in the forum spewing all sorts of stupid shit. Looks like the same thing is happening here.

Just a quick admin note that we are assuming Flamingo is the casino rep. He has registered a yahoo email account, so it really could be anybody - even a disgruntled player for all we know.

Well the casino contacted me over the weekend - stated that Flamingo is not just an affiliate of theirs, but an "associate" - whatever that's supposed to mean. So I guess it's okay for Flamingo - the guy with a Yahoo email account to be their spokesman.

...What I'm not getting here - and I would really appreciate clarification by way of a summary from one of our detectives, please - is how Ministering Angel/Igor Mileusnic are connected to Luckyace? Is Igor connected to Aleksandar (Flamingo) and both involved in Luckyace or Kamay?

Because if this suspect Ministering Angel outfit is part of Kamay or Luckyace, it needs to be exposed a.s.a.p. and both 888.com and eCOGRA informed.

That's what I'm trying to ascertain at the moment. @Lots0 - it would be great if you can fill in the cracks on this one. Feel free to PM me if you find it necessary.

Software is not shaddy, we'v invested a lot of time and money into it, and it is getting better and better every single day, an important update will follow within 20-30days.

Alles ist relativ - looks to me not much time; not much money.

Yes, the certificate is VALID, go and check for yourself, www.ministeringangel.com. That screenshot is created by yourself probably..

A load of horse hockey

Casinomeister, that guy of yours is ruining our business, he is saying thing that are not truth, and are serious accusations. The things he said are not for a joke.

He's not my guy. Besides, you ruined your own business when you used stolen credit cards to pay for your logo.

And Casinomeister, on one would dare to call him ***, isnt that a threat to us all ?? So what, you and your staff can talk about us what the hell you want, but we cant say anything because you are the boss ?? interesting.

You ought to take a good close look in the mirror before tossing around any insults. By the way, my "staff" hasn't been involved in his thread - only sharp experienced players and webmasters. I don't think a single one insulted you personally.

Casinomeister, you will get TST within 10-14days, it's summer, i am on vacation...

No need to waste your time - it's not needed.

Our casino is a reputable one, has been paying it's customers and will continue to do so.
We have a very good amount of returning players, and we have great communication with them, thay are all satistfied.

Eh? with stolen logos? Funkified software? ripped-off content? I'd hate to see what you'd consider to be a "rogue" casino

...I AM ON VACATION, I AM NOT READING ALL THESE MESSAGES.

YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE EMAIL ON OUR WEBSITE, THE APROPRIATE PERSON FOR THAT.
YOU DO NOT WRITE TO PM HERE, I WILL READ IT ONCE A WEEK.

By the way, where are you vacationing - at home?