Angel Casino - any knowledge about them ???

[lauram]

Flamingo i have a question for you. Now im playing in real mode i set 2 others up
in fun play they seem to land lot better hits after hits in 3 reel and 5 reel in play mode then in real playing for same coin sizes. From what i understand play and real was suppose to be the same kinda of spins and payouts. I think maybe if you changed a few of those games those bonus rounds would be more fun like when you get the bananas its like the bonus bear game in playtech. But they at least have for even 1 cent spin features pay no less then few dollars up to 25 dollars for a bonus. This is the reason behind alot of depositors they are looking to hit bonus rounds that pay them something back. The site kina reminds me of a do it yourself casino startup, i know its new and all but i still think so far needs a lot of work.

 

[jinnia]

Viruses? Or do you mean glitchy? There's a difference. If there is a virus - that's a major rogue-pit offense.


I'd like to hear more about this. When was this done and is there a certificate available? Thanks!

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/angel-casino-any-knowledge-about-them.25748/

Whether it's harmless or not, I have no idea, my virus scanner popped this up right at the beginning of installing the casino.

 

[lauram]

I downloaded from firefox and virus scanner never picked up on anything. Other 2 friends one used ie and they had no problems. I did see few others on about getting the same errors.

 

[jinnia]

I couldn't find information on the whole name: Trojan horse PSW.Legendmir.AHB

But I did find information on first two parts: Trj/PSW.Legendmir

Says threat level is low

Common name: Legendmir
Technical name: Trj/PSW.Legendmir
Threat level: Low
Type: Trojan
Effects: It allows to get into the affected computer. It searches for and steals passwords saved for certain Windows services. It does not spread automatically using its own means.

Affected platforms: Windows XP/2000/NT/ME/98/95

First detected on: March 19, 2003
Detection updated on: July 16, 2003
Statistics No
Proactive protection: Yes, using TruPrevent Technologies

Brief Description
Legendmir is a Trojan, which although seemingly inoffensive, can actually carry out attacks and intrusions.


It captures certain information entered or saved by the user, with the corresponding threat to privacy: passwords saved by certain Windows services.


Legendmir does not spread automatically using its own means. It needs an attacking user's intervention in order to reach the affected computer. The means of transmission used include, among others, floppy disks, CD-ROMs, email messages with attached files, Internet downloads, FTP, IRC channels, peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing networks, etc.


It may be just the means for saving your password to the casino, but anything that makes my virus scanner pop up a "Virus / Trojan" detected, I don't want it in my system.

 

[lots0]

I downloaded from firefox and virus scanner never picked up on anything. Other 2 friends one used ie and they had no problems. I did see few others on about getting the same errors.

lauram what virus checker do you use?
beccause anti-virus I use (AVG Pro) is showing the same thing as jinnia.

 

[mysticjoz]

Brought the free $5 up to minimum w/d amt.

Ok all. I did give in and download this casino. I downloaded through firefox and I did not get a warning. (I followed suit with Lauram).
I got my free $5 up to $31 (I found the 3 reels were the only way to build this,,, slowly)
Since the minimum cashout is $30 once I reached $31 I went to the cashier.
I had to sign up for "Epay" which I myself have never heard of.

It says 24 hours. So I guess we will wait and see.

I figure if they are not legit then I am not out a dime. If they are, then I just made a bit of play money. (better than winning hundreds or thousands and NOT being paid)

I do have to add that with my connection problems lately. At least this one let's me know when my connection is lost, so I am not losing money thinking I am connected when I am not. (I posted that problem in the attic the other night).

Hopefully It's on the up and up.

 

[mysticjoz]

Wow! I must say, that's the fastest cashout I ever got.
The $30 is in the Epay account now.

Thanks Flamingo and ministering angels casino.

I know it's not a huge win. But I am always thankful for each and every cent I have or get.

(now to turn that $1 balance into hundreds...lol. which would probably take months! )

 

[jinnia]

lauram what virus checker do you use?
beccause anti-virus I use (AVG Pro) is showing the same thing as jinnia.

I use AVG Virus also Lots0

I'm going to send that information to AVG, let them explain it.

 

[lauram]

Thats great M i decided to try out more of the 5 reel games and cards cards i couldnt get into and some of the other games i did get a error with im wondering if that is the virus error that might be showing up on some of the downloading for other users. Seems those games arent set up yet and fig right so thats prob those errors we are getting. I finally busted after trying to finish some stats on their slots. Nice to know they did pay but im still not sure i would deposit there as of yet.

 

[USA2112]

Not sure I'd be giving to much personal information. Seems odd Epay is also registered in Panama.

EPAY Inc. is registered in Panama (No. 898161-1-514361 DV 1) and licensed by the Ministry of Finance (No. 898161-1-514361-2007-98107) to conduct financial services, e-wallet services, money transfer services, electronic payments processing, selling and funding debit cards, virtual credit cards and other related activities.

 

[lauram]

I use norton and kids have installed another one also. But i got no warnings at all went through firefox. Now friend says they did get a warning using ie but said it was just a corrupted file that left me to believe its due to 3 games that we cant seem to play while in there something to do with game not working and the
way they filed it into their system.

 

[mysticjoz]

Thanks Lauram, I did leave a dollar in there later I will see if I can but that! but I don't know if I will deposit as of yet. Not until I know that they are a stable company. The withdrawal option was for "Epay" but I can not find anyone else who accepts them . I have inquired with Epay about transferring to QT, about thier "virtual M/C" and reloadable Visa.

I will let everyone know how that turns out, it is a bit discouraging to only have that one option. Higher withdrawals do have other options, I just wouldn't risk that! It took me almost two days to get to $30
I imagine to reach a balance of hundreds for a w/d would take much higher bets or alot more patience! (I myself never went above 10 cents a spin on the 3 reels) I didn't have any huge hits the most was 5 dollars.

I get a message about some of thier games also. I think they just aren't up and running yet.
I am getting run to scan my computer to make sure there are no trojans or viruses, better safe than sorry and I do trust Jinnia completely!
A Virus or Trojan would certainly put a halt on any positive thoughts I have about them.

So far my experience rates "ok" .. limitted w/d makes you want to push it higher, to "push it higher" you want to make larger bets. Some of the slots payouts were not great. The payout on the bonus rounds that I had on the 5 reels was horrible!
I know usually when I hit a bonus round the adrenaline alone gets me going anywhere else I play! But here.. it was like.. "I won 7 cents! cut it out! On a 30 cent spin!!! and that was the total after picking one hopeful "Rope" in a bonus round that I entered but did not know what to do when I entered it! I was brought to the bonus round after hitting 5 monkeys straight across the middle line!! (I thought I really hit something there!) But the total with the monkeys and the bonus had paid around 7 cents once and I think 13 cents the second time. That kind of payout was what lead me to try the 3 reels and at 5 to 10 cents a spin. that's where I built it.
It would have been nice to have a withdrawal option that was more familiar. my search on them here turned up 2 threads from 2007!

 

[mysticjoz]

Not sure I'd be giving to much personal information. Seems odd Epay is also registered in Panama.

EPAY Inc. is registered in Panama (No. 898161-1-514361 DV 1) and licensed by the Ministry of Finance (No. 898161-1-514361-2007-98107) to conduct financial services, e-wallet services, money transfer services, electronic payments processing, selling and funding debit cards, virtual credit cards and other related activities.

Not to worry USA2112. They require minimal information to open an account. my email that was it. No banking info, No cc info. Nothing but my email.

 

[lauram]

Got to stay clear of the 5 reel games there isnt anything there that pays just a money grabber. 3 Reel you could predict what was going to land time and time again that did pay off triple 7s and pony. But they must adjust their paytable also there is pays that arent on there thats great. But there is also wins that dont pay yet on the paytable. If you double click while its spinning takes double the bet away from you. And i cant recall what 3 reel game it was has a bonus round but if the bonus is like in 5 reel isnt worth trying to catch it.

 

[GI Joe]

I tried the casino a few weeks ago - and I had the most crazy experience there

I made a 20$ deposit just to try them out...and lost my money pretty fast down to 1$.

Then I change to 0.10$ bet a a three reel slots...and guess what. Everytime I lost the balance was the same, but everytime I won...the balance went up 0.75$. I played in 2 hours...more than 1000 spins I think and ended up in 134$.

The next day I received a mail from "angel" telling me they had a software glitch...but I would receive my winnings to Moneybookers. I had them in my account a few days later...

Stay away - I think the software is very "rogish"

...and take a look at their paytables - they are really funny

 

[bb28]

Definition of a Trojan horse - A trojan horse is a program that infects your computer and allows a hacker to run hidden tasks behind your back. A Trojan infection can allow total remote access to your computer by a third party. Someone can take over your computer unbeknown to you and do who knows what. How do you know that they wouldn't download child porn? You don't!

Just speaking for myself here but why put your computer and your personal information at risk? A trojan horse on your computer can be a very serious thing, can wreck much more damage than most viruses. It can give someone access to everything on your hard drive, passwords to all your data, such as your banking data, ss#, just anything you have on your hard drive. It can give someone access to any and all information that they would need for identity theft.

Yes it could be a false alert, but I don't think it's worth the risk.

 

[mysticjoz]

I am finding out that the withdrawal to Epay.. this is not cool.

Hi everyone.
I am finding out that this "Epay" basically.. Stinks. (it took all I could to keep from saying another word there )

For this "Ministering Angel Casino" the "minimum withdrawal is $30" BUT they ONLY have "moneybookers" (which will not accept US anymore) and "EPAY".
Now "Epay" offers "virtual debit cards" prepaid cards and email payments BUT

THE FEE for one of thier cards STARTS at $34.95!!!

NO place "accepts" email payments! So basically. It's money that I can't spend anywhere else except there.

How about some opinions please??
Do I deposit it back to this so-so casino and hope, pray and take the time to TRY to make hundreds??!!

or .. Do I wait and see if I can find someplace that will eventually accept this "Epay?

For Flamingo, (if you ever do return here, since I have not seen you back in a couple days)... why so few withdrawal options?
I have a prepaid reloadable netspend card. why not put the funds there? or Quicktender is the preferred choice of almost everyone!

 

[Mousey]

I gotta quit reading now... the alarm bells are going off so damn loud I get a headache every time I check this thread...

 

[bb28]

I gotta quit reading now... the alarm bells are going off so damn loud I get a headache every time I check this thread...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm not even gonna check it anymore.


If you play with fire.......you are gonna get burnt!

 

[mercy]

I'm not getting this whole thread and the Bryan is telling me it's time to go to bed soon

 

[mysticjoz]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm not even gonna check it anymore.


If you play with fire.......you are gonna get burnt!

I thought it would be "the right thing to do" to inform any and all other players of what options they do and do not have. Whether getting paid or not and whether payment is timely or not.

reminds me of why I laid low for so long.

 

[LaurieJim]

I thought it would be "the right thing to do" to inform any and all other players of what options they do and do not have. Whether getting paid or not and whether payment is timely or not.

reminds me of why I laid low for so long.

.......thanks mystic, i know that i will not be playing there, not good options at all as far as withdrawals go. i dont think the girls meant any thing by those remarks and we sure dont want you lurking anymore, b.b and mousey both can smell a rogue casino a mile away lol and i think imo thats what they are implying, like i said im not even gonna download it based on the info you provided and from the other good folks that posted on what they had to say about this casino,you prolly saved some peeps some money and heartache trying to collect..............laurie

 

[jargon]

Hey Meister,

It would appear member flamingo is not interested liberating us into enlightenment. Amongst the various issues already mentioned I focused on the most pertinent one; The Trojan Virus as mentioned by few other members.

After several attempts I finally infected one of my P.Cs. Running Windows XP set it up like an average neophyte (user) would. Disabled one firewall and uninstalled 2 virus programs. Visited the site downloaded the software without sharing my email (because this would be the likely candidate the Trojan morph)

Anyway but yes Jinna, Lotso, and whoever else mentioned Trojan is absolutely correct. The extension/suffixes changes frequently to evade capture explaining why some anti virus pick it up and some dont.

EG:

Legendmir.AHB
Legendmir.PS
Legendmir.ALS

Etc

The virus is malicious and the threat level IMO is very high. It is capable of seeding in many different places, the OS, the water sorta speak may come from an email.

It has the potential of doing various things to anyones P.C as all trojans do.

Antivirus programs used:

NOD
PANDA
ZONE

Name----- winasse.exe
path----- C:Windows\system32\
Discovery--- trojan horse PSW.Legendmir.DDJ
Source computer--- YOUR-xxxxxx
fSize---26.5kb
healable---no
status----infected

Your choice Meister, but with the members negative remarks and questionable software it feels roguish.

Thanks

greek39

 

[suzecat]

FWIW flamingo........care to respond?

 

[LaurieJim]

FWIW flamingo........care to respond?

.....dont think flamingo will respond suze, i dont think he can cover his butt on this , seems to me hes been nailed and he knows it...........laurie

 

[suzecat]

Too bad....no flamingo response yet..........I guess this forum has been a bust for Minstering Angel Could we have been too harsh on flamingo Nah.........

 

[flamingo]

1 month ago, i was downloading Titan Poker, and i got a message that it is a virus (i use NOD32).

That is a common thing.
You are insatlling a software on your computer that will send and receive data thru internet to Server (casino), and then it get's detected as a virus.

That is why some of the Antivirus programs detect it some dont.


Some Casino's have paid("verified") to Antivirus companys that there software doesnt get detected.

cha chao

 

[The Dude]

We have TST (Techincal system testing) Certification.

Are you willing to post this certificate?

 

[vinylweatherman]

1 month ago, i was downloading Titan Poker, and i got a message that it is a virus (i use NOD32).

That is a common thing.
You are insatlling a software on your computer that will send and receive data thru internet to Server (casino), and then it get's detected as a virus.

That is why some of the Antivirus programs detect it some dont.


Some Casino's have paid("verified") to Antivirus companys that there software doesnt get detected.

cha chao

Virus questions aside - about the TST certificate.

So, they verified your games as fair, yet half of them don't even work!!!!

How can any casino gain a certificate from a testing agency when they have software that is still "under construction" and what there is of it has all these glitches.

Epay - well, you paid Mystic very quickly indeed, and initially this looked good, but now we find out that money in Epay seems only good for redepositing back into Angel Casino - so no wonder payment was quick!

What about Moneybookers, money paid here CAN be used (at least by non-US players) in most online casinos, so how fast would someone get paid if they made the WR and $30 minimum on the free chip, and withdrew to Moneybookers?

Back to Troy now,

While it is true that some casinos routinely trigger a false positive from many anti-virus programs, there are also cases where these are genuine threats embedded within innocent looking downloads from the internet.

jargon has done a more thorough investigation than simply downloading the casino and seeing a "hit" from an anti-virus program, and has furnished an alternative explanation regarding the fact that some anti-virus programs see Angel Casino as a threat, and others don't.

Some Casino's have paid("verified") to Antivirus companys that there software doesnt get detected.

This has to be a load of bull, anti-virus vendors are interested in being the market leaders in protection for their paying customers (whether payment by subscription, donation, or advertising sponsorship). They are not going to give a program the all clear just because the owner of the software pays them a "bribe".
False positives are often dealt with by users filing a feedback report that the detection is false, and they then look to investigate the software concerned.
If any anti-virus company is prepared to clear a piece of software simply because they were paid by it's owner, then they are not worth using.

Even the supplier can tell an anti-virus vendor that their software is being falsely detected, and this should trigger an evaluation, but this would be for it's own anti-virus customers' benefit, not the software suppliers'.

 

[The Dude]

Admin Note: reminder

Just a quick admin note that we are assuming Flamingo is the casino rep. He has registered a yahoo email account, so it really could be anybody - even a disgruntled player for all we know.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Just a quick admin note that we are assuming Flamingo is the casino rep. He has registered a yahoo email account, so it really could be anybody - even a disgruntled player for all we know.

Quite, but the casino seems to be run to the same "shoestring budget" standards as we would expect for an outfit that can only afford a Panama licence, and only a yahoo mail account for it's staff.

Is it possible to contact the casino independently to find out what status (if any) flamingo has within the company?

 

[mysticjoz]

Epay... or not??!

Ok, here we go. So I made the withdrawal for $30 to this "Epay" account.

Now there is no way to get it out No place accepts this payment method and this "Angel casino" has a minimum deposit amount of $30, BUT this "epay" method charges a percentage for each transaction.
Thier "virtual visa" (or mastercard) costs a fee of $34.95! .. this is just way too funny (NOT)

Ok, so here is more information for you guys who can dig up the dirt with some leads.
I went to log onto to this "Epay" to check thier "email payment options".. I typed in "epay.com" and I was brought to a totally different Ewallet
so.. there is epay.com

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

But The link from "Angel Casino" is

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

** Now another questionable fact!! At the bottom of this "epayarea.com" it reads this

EPAY Inc. is registered in Panama (No. 898161-1-514361 DV 1) and licensed by the Ministry of Finance (No. 898161-1-514361-2007-98107) to conduct financial services, e-wallet services, money transfer services, electronic payments processing, selling and funding debit cards, virtual credit cards and other related activities.

(odd??)

When I contacted "Flamigo" via PM, there was no solution as to how I could get the funds out of this "epayarea.com' just a recommendation for me to apply for "egold"..
Today I attempted to make an Email payment. (which I hope goes through but i honestly don't think it will).. I just signed onto my email and I received this.

From:
EPAY <[email protected]>

To:
[email protected]
Subject:
Test Mail - Ignore this
Date:
Friday, July 18, 2008 12:28:35 PM

[View Source] (**see below.. I have this also)
Test Mail - Ignore this
To unsubscribe from newsletter please click on the following link

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

.

Best regards,
EPAY Team

An Ewallet with a gmail account!!

So If there are Any super sleuths here that want to dig deeper on these people (it took all I could to hold back from typing "jerks".. it just psssssss me off that they are this rude)! I am so very glad I did not play with my own money (which I know enough not to do if they are not accreditted) I am also glad that this "ewallet" got no more than my email address.

**this is what was listed when I clicked "view source"

From:
EPAY <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Subject:
Test Mail - Ignore this
Date:
Friday, July 18, 2008 12:28:35 PM

Received: from imta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.23])
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X-Originating-IP: [76.96.62.23]
Received: from 69-64-84-217.dedicated.abac.net ([69.64.84.217])
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Test Mail - Ignore thisTo unsubscribe from newsletter please click on the following link <a href="http://www.epayarea.com/index.php?target=unsubscribe">http://www.epayarea.com/index.php?target=unsubscribe</a>.

<br />

<br />

Best regards,

<br />

EPAY Team

 

[lauram]

Sorry m i really thought they would own up to this offer and pay you without a problem. I saw flamingo answering questions and so on and fig they see us here and a cashout coming lets see if we can round up customers. Well with no pay heading your way i cant see any of us ever depositing with them. Their games are a little off as it was and they still had work to do, I deleted their casino other day im not sure i would ever give them a try again unless it was fully up and running this time with another chip offer.
good luck keep us posted
flamingo plse respond to this for us.

 

[jetset]

These disclosures, added to the fact that the alleged casino representative has not returned to answer further questions, and the suspicious claim that he has TST certification are raising bright red flags for me....

 

[jinnia]

Will this raise any more red flags for you??

Monday, April 7, 2008
Online Credit Card Fraud

Some people just don't understand that it's not cool to use other people's credit card information to buy stuff. Authorities spend a lot of time ministering to people who've been ripped off. Mostly online casino fraud, where thieves phish for credit card information that's passed off to crooks around the world including Serbia, Russia, Nigeria and other ports of call. Even happened to the Angel herself, when she recently discovered charges on her credit card statement that hadn't been authorized. The cards had to be canceled, and the purchases disputed using a process called a 'charge back'. Luckily, if the person who charged the card doesn't have a signature, chances are you can have the charges reversed. As these where. Now, I'm trying to find out how it happened.
<......................>

You've been warned. Best stick with the Angel's Casino of Life.

xxhttp://ministeringangelcasino.blogspot.com/

So righteous about credit card fraud, but now look at this:::
(follow link to entire statement)

Alas, unbenownst to us, this client was actually from Serbia - filling out project briefs for the projects via a proxy in Columbus, Ohio - and then submitting retainer payments using stolen credit cards. By the time our credit card company had caught up with the fraud, we had completed one of the projects and sent the complete source files on their way. Another, the angel motif - partially revealed here - was halted just before we sent the ever-so-valuable Adobe Illustrator files.

source: xxhttp://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/flower-logos-credit-card

 

[lots0]

Hmm well, I've seen enough...

On my 'to do' list for tommrow.... Add ministeringangel.com to my Rogue Hall of Shame.

I wonder if those logo factor folks know that angel casino is using their logo anyway.

Serbia - should have guessed.

Care to comment flamingo?

I also dropped a quick note to the logo factor people.

 

[jinnia]

Sorry, but need to 'shutgun' here, it'll take two post::
(meaningful or not, just information)


ministeringangel.com - 2008-07-20 00:42 (NOW - current registration)

Domain Name: ministeringangel.com

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: xxhttp://registrar.godaddy(dot)com

Expiration Date: 2009-08-07
Creation Date: 2007-08-07
Last Update Date: 2008-06-23

Name Servers:
ns1.highsecured.com
ns2.highsecured.com


Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (xxhttp://www.godaddy(dot)com)
Domain Name: MINISTERINGANGEL.COM
Created on: 07-Aug-07
Expires on: 07-Aug-09
Last Updated on: 23-Jun-08

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HIGHSECURED.COM
NS2.HIGHSECURED.COM

 

[jinnia]

ministeringangel.com - 2008-02-03 09:39 (THEN - 5 months prior)

Domain Name: ministeringangel.com

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: xxhttp://registrar.godaddy(dot)com

Expiration Date: 2008-08-07
Creation Date: 2007-08-07
Last Update Date: 2007-08-07

Name Servers:
ns35.domaincontrol.com
ns36.domaincontrol.com

Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Royal Flamingo Corp.
Suite 5, Milano Bldg. Boulevard El Dorado
Panama City, 98
Panama

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (xxhttp://www.godaddy(dot)com)
Domain Name: MINISTERINGANGEL.COM
Created on: 07-Aug-07
Expires on: 07-Aug-08
Last Updated on: 07-Aug-07

Administrative Contact:
Mesterovic, Andrija
Pjera Krizanica 1
Belgrade, Serbia 11000
Serbia
+381 63 1133333 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Mesterovic, Andrija
Pjera Krizanica 1
Belgrade, Serbia 11000
Serbia
+381 63 1133333 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

 

[lots0]

Administrative Contact:
Mesterovic, Andrija
Pjera Krizanica 1
Belgrade, Serbia 11000
Serbia
+381 63 1133333 Fax --

Now that is interesting...

And so is this

Aleksandar Mesterovic, Founder & Team Coordinator. Aleksandar is responsible for the overall strategic direction of s0urce.org. He launched the company in 1998, along with M. Igor, and has led s0urce.org to the preeminent position in the network security industry. Aleks is a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Microsoft Certified Database Administrator and is an undergraduate at Belgrades Advanced School of Electrical Engineering.

Ive seen the name M. Igor (Igor Mileusnic) several times recently and it was directly associated with some realy nasty hackers/spammers I have been at war with for a while... Nice to be able to finally pin that name down a little better.

and this is really really interesting...

Andrija Mesterovic, Finance and Administration and the Chief Financial Officer. In his role, Andrija is responsible for the overall management of all financial, administrative, human resource and other corporate support functions at s0urce.org.
He is an owner of an OnLine Casino gamblinginfo.com
Andrija is a student at Belgrades Megatrend Univerity for Business.

Source: xxhttp://s0urce.org/_about.htm

Also please note gamblinginfo.com redirects to ministeringangel.com

Here is some more current info on our new pal.

Andrija MESTEROVIC
Trebevicka 43
11000 BELGRADE (Serbia)
Phone Number(0038) 163 113 3333
[email protected]

There is also this from s0urce.org

Aleksandar Mesterovic
Pjera Krizanica 1/1
Belgrade 11060
CS
Phone:+381.63270903
FAX:+381.113540396
Email: [email protected]

s0urce.org Hosting
Gavrila Principa 58
Belgrade 11000
CS
Phone:+381.62588313
FAX:+381.113540396
Email: [email protected]

Here is another 'associated site' elitesecurity.org, this looks to be some type of Serb programmer/hacker forum.

Aleks Mesterovic looks to be a network security type person... Don't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside...

If anyone gave this outfit any personal information at all, you had better freeze your credit report, contact your bank and lock down ALL your valuables as soon as you can.

 

[jinnia]

s0urce.org
IP Addresses: 62.193.143.162
IP Country: Serbia
Reverse IP Lookup: IP hosts 15 domains

Hosting Company Name:
ICANN Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Creation Date: N/A
Expiry Date: N/A

Web Server: N/A
Website Status: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Domain ID: D87230299-LROR

Domain Name:S0URCE.ORG

Created On:04-Jun-2002 16:32:13 UTC

Last Updated On:04-Jun-2008 13:36:17 UTC
Expiration Date:04-Jun-2009 16:32:13 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-06815759
Registrant Name: Clan CRusadeRS
Registrant Street1jera Krizanica 1/1
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Belgrade
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:11060
Registrant Country:CS
Registrant Phone:+381.63270903
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:
Admin ID:GODA-26815759
Admin Name:Aleksandar Mesterovic
Admin Street1jera Krizanica 1/1
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Belgrade
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal Code:11060
Admin Country:CS
Admin Phone:+381.63270903
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:+381.113540396
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:
Tech ID:GODA-16815759
Tech Name:s0urce.org Hosting
Tech Street1:Gavrila Principa 58
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Belgrade
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal Code:11000
Tech Country:CS
Tech Phone:+381.62588313
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+381.113540396
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: sensei(at)crsx.net (link - xxhttp://www.crsx.net - just a flash page showing with a skull and cross bones)
Name Server:NS1.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS2.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS3.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS4.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS5.SITELUTIONS.COM

The yahoo group for these Clan CRusadeRS
xxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Clan_CRusadeRS

 

[lots0]

There is a connection between ministeringangel and luckyaces...

 

[jinnia]

There is a connection between ministeringangel and luckyaces...

luckyacecasino.com??

https://www.casinomeister.com/gambling-news/kamay-and-888-launch-online-poker-and-casino-sites/

 

[lots0]

luckyacecasino.com??

https://www.casinomeister.com/gambling-news/kamay-and-888-launch-online-poker-and-casino-sites/

Yup thats the one. The name M. Igor (Igor Mileusnic), is starting to tie everything together.

try this one
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/luckyacecasino-and-luckyacepoker.22400/

luckyacecasino
luckyacepartners
luckyacereviews
etc etc....

 

[jinnia]

Read the thread you left link you.
You said it looked like an 888.com operation, seems you were right.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Really

Both Luckyace sites have recently been granted the eCogra seal!!!

Surely if there was a connection between them and some dark Serbian group of "hackers", this would never have happened.


These revelations do make sense. Ministering Angel - a new casino with shoddy software, yet claiming to be passed by having a TST certificate. First set up under Royal Flamingo Corp, but just before launch re-registered to hide the underlying ownership through "domains by proxy".
Spam starts, and gets comments here at Casinomeister. "rep" appears, named "flamingo", purely chance eh! (Royal Flamingo Corp)

Casino finally gets a CM member to try out the free chip, and when it is beaten they pay damn fast!! (Initial Kudos - known as "putting us off the scent"). Didn't work too well, as soon discovered that "payment" really meant funds went into a wallet without an exit

Now, the Serbia - Panama connection gets revealed, and carelessness (the internet keeps hold of it's history) reveals all the connections between the Serbian hacker group, their level of knowledge, connections to Panama, and indeed an explanation as to why the "rep" chose to call himself "flamingo".

This seems to be a rogue casino of a different sort. It is not about attracting deposits and confiscating winnings. Clearly, they would be paying players (at least while their "operation" was active), but what they WOULD be harvesting would be all those personal details that we players EXPECT to be asked to provide in order to receive our winnings. If players were getting paid, they would continue to play, and even refer friends, but all the while a database of personal information would be accumulating.

Once the group had attracted enough personal information, they would let it lie for a while, and Ministering Angel casino would run into "Technical Difficulties", and would eventually have to shut down. Players would get their money (to allay suspicions), and in a while the Angel would be forgotten as just another promising new casino that never made it.

After a period of time, all this personal information gathered for registration and payments would be converted into cash. This could take many forms, but all would involve some kind of ID fraud. Partial information, through research, could be converted into complete sets of personal details, enough to get services, and fake documents such as driving licences, in the name of the original person. The details can then be used to generate fake EU passports, or even those for other countries (depending on how far each country has gone in terms of biometrics). To fund this, some of these details will be used to plunder bank accounts, credit cards, and even to apply for new credit with the false ID.

Anyone who has supplied any information to Angel casino should consider it likely that it will fall into the hands of well educated, but criminally minded, experts in electronic commerce. Even the Email addresses can be sold to spammers, as they are known to be genuine.

Any "winnings" the casino has lost to the "players" will be well worth the investment after all the personal details have been sold on, or used to generate cash.

The cash made will then finance their next venture, maybe an RTG casino, which would be rogue in the conventional sense

 

[jetset]

I recall that in another discussion here earlier this year it was adduced that Luckyace was a white label deal from 888.com which originally displayed eCOGRA accreditation without having been inspected. It was also indulging in some really bad spamming tactics. eCOGRA made them remove the false seal by putting pressure on 888.com.

Additionally, there seemed to be a change in policy and the questionable practices (which I seem to recall were bonus-related?) ceased with players being recompensed....I haven't had time to go back through the threads and news archives, but this whole thing received extensive comment at the time and I'm sure it's all in there somewhere.

Subsequent to that, Luckyace was submitted for accreditation inspection by eCOGRA through the owners, Kamay Holdings. The last I heard was a press release around the end of May 2008 from eCOGRA announcing that Luckyace Casino and Luckyace Poker had met all inspection requirements and been accredited.

What I'm not getting here - and I would really appreciate clarification by way of a summary from one of our detectives, please - is how Ministering Angel/Igor Mileusnic are connected to Luckyace? Is Igor connected to Aleksandar (Flamingo) and both involved in Luckyace or Kamay?

Because if this suspect Ministering Angel outfit is part of Kamay or Luckyace, it needs to be exposed a.s.a.p. and both 888.com and eCOGRA informed.

 

[mysticjoz]

Well, I put in for an email payment to one of my "good" casino's from Epayarea.com.

It never showed up at the casino.. and the balance at the "epayarea.com" is now 0.97 !!!

Chalk this up to lesson learned. (hey, someone had to be the guinea pig. at least it wasn't my own money! )

My windows one care scanned my computer and no infection or viruses were found. (and so far nothing has made it past that program) I am uninstalling this "Casino" and not looking back.

As far as my identity and "funds, etc" .. my credit was ruined a couple years ago by the guy who walked out on us. He made sure he screwed me over before leaving. So.. there is no credit to mess with anymore. And good luck to anyone who "tries" to open any type of account in my name! The bill collectors can knock on your door instead....

Thanks Lotso, Jinnia, VM and jetset. :notworthy . I knew you guys would take that info and have a field day with it!! you guys are great, thank you so much for all your research and dirt digging, I knew if anyone couild find it, it would be you guys and I am sure your not done with them yet!!

Flamingo.. I have words for you, but I don't want to get banned

 

[flamingo]

vinylweatherman, you are an idiot.

no connections with 888, luckyacecasino ...


We are a stand alone serious operation.

mysticjoz, i have sent you a PM. Your deposit was not received by the casino. And why heavent you send an email if there was a payment problem??
Give me epay batch number, and i'l try to found out what went wrong.

 

[lots0]

Hi Flamingo, or should we call you Andrija, or do you prefer Aleks?

Care to respond to any of the other charges here, like using stolen credit cards?

Or stealing your logo?

Or stealing content from other casinos?

Or the fact you are directly associated with known hackers?
xxhttp://s0urce.org/Free-Hackers-Manifest.html
That is your site, right?

Andrija, I find it really funny that you only seem upset about the connection to luckyaces...
That conection is through one of your associates... You know the same guy that made the site for the SNF Cultural Department..

I think it's time for some bullets...

1. Very shoddy 'home made' casino software.
2. Possible virus/trojan/keylogger filled software.
3. Panama registration(?)
4. claimed TST certification.... but no proof of certification.
5. ministeringangel obviously copies(steals) content from other gaming sites.
6. ministeringangel obviously stole the logo they use. After trying to pay for it with stolen credit cards and getting caught.
7. The one player from here that tries this casino (on a free chip) wins a little and then has no way to cashout.
8. a direct conection between the registered owner of ministeringangel and Serb hackers.

I just know I left some stuff out...
But I think it is safe to say, this is one casino you want nothing at all to do with.

Oh ya... Vinal was not the person who was talking about the connection to luckyaces... That was me.

And as far as who the idiot is... Well lets let the folks reading this decide who the real idiot is...

Andrija(flamingo), you might want to look for another way to steal money from english speaking people, you don't seem to be very good at this...

 

[uungy]

This has got to be the funniest unreliable casino around.

Go to their website and hover your mouse over their "epay" seal

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when you click on it

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Just a quick note to fraudsters (not saying anyone is here ) never advertise that your cetificates are invalid its not convincing!